[Yessir]

ALL you flippers are THIEVES you STEAL information about art, by lurking/spying from behind the scenes on forums like this one, even through you have NO INTEREST in ART.
You then use that "STOLEN INFORMATION", to exploit people's love of art for your own selfish gains.

The majority of you flippers lurk on this forum so neg- away, I don't give a damn, the truth needs to be told, so if you flipped a Micallef piece YESTERDAY, that you bought YESTERDAY, I have a nasty surprise for you at the bottom end of this post.


I believe there is nothing wrong with making fast easy money (as long as no laws are broken ) , but if you do it in a way that is depriving someone of something that they genuinely have a love or interest in and your only interest is PROFIT.... you do deserve to be EXPOSED for what you are.


I believe we should keep a list on this forum of people who blatantly buy and flip art, only in the name of INSTANT PROFIT.


TO BE CLEAR this post is NOT anti-selling of art, I'm talking about EXTREME acts of flipping i.e. people listing "their", art on Ebay before they have even received it in the post.

A lot of people sell art in this forum, to upgrade, rotate or improve their art collections, I believe this is perfectly logical and means that good art is more than often going to a "good home", as to speak.



The names below are all people who have bought Micallefs YESTERDAY from LAZ or POW that are currently for sale or sold on Ebay YESTERDAY:


FLIPPER LIST OF SHAME

loplop73 - sold God I Want to Be Bad - £1245
everestingtoad - sold God I Want to Be Bad - £999
safecrackers - sold God I Want to Be Bad - £999
cohonistcra4 - sold God I Want to Be Bad - £1250
adrian6746 - sold God I Want to Be Bad - £750

p0wrt0ch - sold Peacekeeper - £2350
u01hda - sold Peacekeeper - £2175
**kimmi** - sold Peacekeeper - £2000

u01hda - sold Improvised Minotaur - £2250
**kimmi** - sold Improvised Minotaur - £2000

johncoe - sold Uzi Lover 1 - £2800
**kimmi** - sold Uzi Lover 1 - £2000
**kimmi** - sod Uzi Lover 2 - £2000


bencotton1975
the_jewellery_store_and_accs
antony_micallef
madeinourheads
gallerygrace_uk ( Total disgrace)
step1255
autographsandart
entre_nous29 ( breathtaking )
flowsy1
gwincal
f_danso
mcnipper
hen_mk
grfc5
3030lee
nickyjgordon84
moneypennyn
xibby1



If your name is here, that means you are a FLIPPER, if you do not like it, walk outside you home, find a tall building, walk into the building, go to the top floor, find a window, open it, say a prayer and........ JUMP.

[rustyb]

I think it is disgraceful what these people do, yes there is a fast buck to be made but people have a real passion in this, and yet can't afford to feed their passion

There are some really inciteful names there, maybe we should sticky that list

[Dead Elvis]

Respect. All they have to do is change their ebay names and the list is useless. I propose that anyone with the ability to create an extra ebay account do so, and buy all of the BIN auctions, without paying for them. The flippers will have to pay for listing fees regardless so let the games begin!

[bruns4]

^^^Amen. My brother in law is a "Serial Flipper", anything that can be sold quickly (sometimes without him even having the item in hand) for a quick buck, he'll do it. iPhones, Xbox/Playstation3, if it's been hot in the last year, you better believe he'd found a way to get 20 to sell for absurd markup. I am starting to think there is a profile to these types, as he has the same "face that's beggin' for a fist" look that the guy with all his "daughters" had at Laz today...

[ctc2]

I would add Laz to the list.

[jB]

I can imagine that this list will continue to grow over the next few days as well!

[Deleted]

wow, that's some good research! good thing I haven't sold anything!

[influence]

ctc2 said:

I would add Laz to the list.

[dburn]

so wait... is flipping considered "acceptable" if the money is used for other art?

[dburn]

and yes... Laz is the first on the list... he seemed to have a rather happy pep in his step during the show. cant say i blame him.

[thesewalls]

johncoe's selling ALL 4 of the LAZ prints...i sent him a message through ebay before even reading this post...all it contained was the following; "SCUMBAG."

and no, flipping is not considered acceptable if the money is used for other art. it is one thing to sell from your collection, and another to flip. your intentions and considerations for true fans, or lack there of in the flippers case, paint your act acceptable or not. basically, you shouldn't have to ask if you're a flipper.

I SECOND THE PURCHASING OF THESE PRINTS WITH FAKE EBAY ACCOUNTS...I'M ON IT!

[dumpsuk]

This list is pretty pointless, all forum members can leave and re-join the board. All ebay users can leave and setup a different account. Just out of interest how many (erhhum) 'online-galleries' are selling the micallef's or neates already? The list should start with them, no?

[dumpsuk]

I like the idea you guys have of setting up ebay accounts to f*ck up the ebay auctions, however a word of WARNING... it was clear from the queue yesterday at LAZ (i was one of the unlucky ones - after 10hours) that a CRIMINAL element has infiltrated the buying/selling of the work right now. This is always going to happen when a commodity can be bought and sold immediately for a huge profit. There were many people in the queue that had been paid to stand and wait all day for a print they knew nothing about (it was akin to the Morecombe Bay cocklers, I kid you not)... so be carefull, e(vil)bay are only too happy to give out your personal information, i.e. telephone numbers, and home address (in the interest of completing the transaction of course), please use false information if this is the action you going to take. be safe.

[dburn]

ok then... if per say you really liked two prints that were in your portfolio but wanted to sell them or swap for just one print that you liked more, is that wrong? i dont see what is all that wrong with purchasing prints to sell or swap with others as long as the money stays in art and that you arent just doing it for profit... yes this is unfair to the people who may really like the work and give it a good home, who may even deserve it by being the devoted fans they are... but... hold on, im trying to find a way to say this next line without sounding cliche... oh screw it, thats life! its not fair that i have to buy banksy on the secondary market for two, three times its original price. So how dreadful really is it that a fan of the arts buys stock in an artist that maybe they are not completley head over heals in love with but still can appreciate it. who knows maybe one day they'll realize the image grew on them and they couldnt sell it. or hell, they use the investment as an asset to trade for others that better appeal to their liking... whos really to judge you for whatever it is you do with the work... as long as the money stays in art and your not using originals to role cigars with. i cant say i see the problem. Would love some constructive enlightenment...

[Deleted]

My personal view is that I don't have the time to worry about what other people are doing. I simply find what I like and try to buy it. If I really like it i go to the secondary market. That's it.

[Existencil]

I don't like flippers any more than you do, but I think its pretty disgraceful that you're pinning their details to a message board & inciting people to boycott them.

SE

[johnas]

For all those that are suggesting sabotaging auctions, please don't waste your time. OK, so flipping is bad, you're unhappy and angry - I'm with you. BUT sh1t happens and life goes on and no amount of naming and shaming is gonna change that. And, to be fair, you don't know the circumstances behind these sales.

Can I suggest if you are unhappy, then you just boycott the ebay sales, as has been mentioned in another thread. This will be a much more productive, and dare I say it, less childish course of action.

[bristolmassive]

stuey1980 said:

I don't like flippers any more than you do, but I think its pretty disgraceful that you're pinning their details to a message board & inciting people to boycott them.

SE

completely agree stuey - this is getting rediculous

[waveydavey]

A better approach is simply not to bid. Prices will come down. Less money in it less flipping. I woould not sabotage an auction as I understand the final bid is legally enforceable in UK.

[matbat]

Guys, if you play with fire you get burnt. Keep the list going. This only applies to people who sell very quickly after buying. Ie. no real interest in art just money.

[goffy]

As much as some people wanted the Laz prints, is there anyone here who cannot live without them?

[shogun]

I think its time to rape, pillage and steal the prints!!!! yeah!!!! [JOKE]

[bonesy]

Man you guys got more time on your hands than I do.....
Everyone has the same chance at buing these Micallef's initially right? If folks concentrated more on the next desired purchase and less on whining about missing out on something they missed then more prints would be going into the "right" hands.

[wezzley]

I can live without them, in fact I have decided I can live without my whole collection, which is going up for sale in the coming days. I dont want things on my wall that represent what I saw yesterday.

Rgds

[pezlow]

wezzley said:

I can live without them, in fact I have decided I can live without my whole collection, which is going up for sale in the coming days. I dont want things on my wall that represent what I saw yesterday.

Rgds

I know how you feel mate.

[goffy]

If you want to sell your collection fair play to you. If you are selling it because what happened yesterday, then I would say you are over reacting.

[bonesy]

Threads like this focused on angst and negativity really take the joy out of art and this forum regardless of there intention.

[knox]

I have mixed feelings on this. If people are listing before they even have the print in hand then obviously that is disgraceful and there should be a system in place to stop people from recieving them to sell on. POW should be able to contact ebay and cancel the offenders order. But at the end of the day they are doing nothing illegal so who are we to name and shame?

I have sold a few prints for huge profit. Grin Reaper - bought for £400, sold 9 months later because I saw them going for £4,000 and I like £4,000 more than I did that print. Does that make me a flipper? I don't think so, it makes me sensible.

[matbat]

anyone got a good few pictures of the queue.

[GD303uk]

Some names on that list are genuine collectors, with the criminal and scaly element buying these to turn a £$ you can’t blame them for flipping, its going to happen this art scene is safer than selling drugs
a year ago I came here and was surprised even then @ the amount of selling that was happening at first I was annoyed as I had only ever paid for art I intended to keep and love ( first purchase in the eighties, still on my wall) ,
but over the year I have sold a few prints and got a few more, art collecting is now a way of increasing your collections value sales and trades we all do it, what seems to rancor everybody is the so called pikey scaly criminal even poor element buying and selling,
Respected members do it we have created this market of buy and sell, we are paying the price for its popularity and ease of making money, Thatcher taught us well,
I think apart from missing out on a print there seems to be an elitist element about the complaining, to poor to hang a picture, scalies and pikey this sounds like midle class winging, this scene is corrupt and full of greed , it is depressing for me but I bet the dealers and artist are very pleased, yesterday did remind me of a bogus Pistols gig,
An excitement has been created for this art and it is far from what we initially were interested in, free or affordable urban art away from the marketing and high brow world of elitist art,
its no longer for us we have changed also our tastes and prices we are willing to pay, this is the same for the flippers, scalpers carpet baggers etc we are the exploited and the purps in this affair, that list shows that ,
I don’t know the solution or even if there is one, this has happened before in the 60's and will happen again, eventually some of the prints we paid £1000s for will just be paper with a faded picture on. Hope we like them then

neg away i am pissed off with the whole scene, so i couldnt give a f**k about the respect s**t.