[gbh]

why, leave it there for some other bagger to rip it?
if you are feeling guilty, send it over to me

8+)

[finlee]

how did you get if off?

[carlito]

sorry to be an old grump..but if this was meant for the streets that's where it should stay, unless the artist is cool with it being taken

[syndicath]

with hammer & chisel

but you have to be very careful, and you need a long ladder...
and good nervs

[Zippy]

I think its really out of order taking it.
It was put on the street as it was meant to be enjoyed by all who see it.
Not everyone can afford to buy the latest prints like most people on here.
You have now taken away the opportunity for people to see it. Not only that, you start a thread boasting 'my new baby' .
Bang out of order.
Get it off your wall and back where it should be - art for the people.
What you did is low, this is something I feel really strongly about.
Z

[Zippy]

you've obv got a nice flat and the pic shows some banksy piece on the wall.
I doubt you can't afford to buy some art from its source.
You could even have bought directly from Invader.

[mcnuts]

what zippy said.

[Zippy]

Also, there are a lot of impressionable and new collectors / fans on this forum.
If you and others try to ttell them its ok to go and take from the streets, we'll have nothing left to look at on our daily grind around the cities.

I'll stop now.
Z

[Cocteau 101]

Hi Zippy

I agree this is what make me feel like packing the whole scene in. It's now fuckin mainstream there is no radicalism left just blatant opportunism. Pisses me right off. Where has the spirit of punk gone. This is just harling back to 80's take what you can and fuck the rest.

[gbh]

i agree it's not the best thing but...

if it will be taken anyway (or buffed in the case of paint or bombed) what is better? a wasted piece or one that is appreciated?

[Cocteau 101]

But that is the whole nature of street art, it's transient and evolving. I'm not into street pieces ending up in collections due to such flagrant opportunism but then I'm old fashioned.

[jonpud]

Fancy coming on here and bragging about stealing something from everyone else!! Suicidal!

Don't rate invader personally but don't like to see his work taken from others regardless of my personal preferences!!

Put it back.

[gbh]

hypothetical: what if it was bought from the owner of the building, does that make it better?

[jonpud]

gbh said:

hypothetical: what if it was bought of the owner of the building, does that make it better?

Yes, IMO!

[jonpud]

gbh said:

hypothetical: what if it was bought of the owner of the building, does that make it better?

I would consider it a gift from the artist to the owner of the property! It's when on 'public' buildings etc it belongs to all of us!!

[bonesy]

In taking the time and effort to remove it you could have sketched out the pattern and duplicated it yourself with goods from the local hardware store, I guess you wouldnt be able to brag as much then though.

[gbh]

jonpud said:

gbh said:

hypothetical: what if it was bought of the owner of the building, does that make it better?

I would consider it a gift from the artist to the owner of the property! It's when on 'public' buildings etc it belongs to all of us!!

think the local council might have other ideas about that

[GD303uk]

i have seen one on brick lane ,
should i get a hammer and chissel and try it,
lets all do it , we all love this art so where is the harm,
it isnt much of a stretch of the imagination to see where this ends.
you must have a reason for taking this, ie it was about to be demolished,
please let there be a good explaination, and it wasnt for selfish reasons you removed it.
there is a banksy by me, angle grinder and a drill should have it on the forum for the weekend

[Strange Al]

Although a piece of graff being buffed or crossed out has the same end result as one that's stolen, the ethical considerations are completely different. Like others, I'm very much against street art being removed from the street by joe public (unless the artist intended for the piece to be found and taken home).

GBH - You cannot justify taking a piece simply because someone else will do so otherwise - that just perpetuates the cycle and encourages more people to do the same. Though you raise an interesting point about street works painted on private property. In that instance, I think the owner of the property has every right to remove and keep the piece (assuming that it's possible). Though that's very different to a third party removing it.

If people don't want to spend the money with Invader, buy some mosaic tiles and make your own. It's really not difficult and damn cheap to do.

[Existencil]

I hope you feel guilty every time you look at it.

Stuey*Esquire

[gbh]

think we need to start living in the real world people.
if someone who appreciates the work takes it, I'd prefer that over a bagger any day.
end result, in this day and age and where this is all going, IT WILL GET TAKEN REGARDLESS.

on another note, I find this pot calling the kettle black conversation great.
There is honour amongst theives.
After all, the works (9 times out of 10) are not legally placed anyway in the first place. Kinda opens the door....that leads to the slippery slope...

[carlito]

cocteau101 said:

Hi Zippy

I agree this is what make me feel like packing the whole scene in. It's now f**kin mainstream there is no radicalism left just blatant opportunism. Pisses me right off. Where has the spirit of punk gone. This is just harling back to 80's take what you can and f**k the rest.

Thatcher's kids eh...

[carlito]

gbh said:

think we need to start living in the real world people.
if someone who appreciates the work takes it, I'd prefer that over a bagger any day.
end result, in this day and age and where this is all going, IT WILL GET TAKEN REGARDLESS.

on another note, I find this pot calling the kettle black conversation great.
There is honour amongst theives.
After all, the works (9 times out of 10) are not legally placed anyway in the first place. Kinda opens the door....that leads to the slippery slope...

i don't understand the whole ' it's okay for one person to take but not another'...are there special badges for certain people saying ' not a bagger'..that's just irrelevant...and what's legality got to do with anything? That's the very essense of the scene or at least it was...if street art was meant for a person's home surely that's what it would of been created to do in the first place..i.e. put on a canvas or a poster..not a brick wall

[gbh]

jjoschi44 said:

GBH - You cannot justify taking a piece simply because someone else will do so otherwise - that just perpetuates the cycle and encourages more people to do the same.

I agree very much so with that whole sentiment, but one day a few years back I woke up and took a look around me at the world and decided to start living in reality, not in the wonderful disneyland that many feel will be reached one day.

The cycles are fully perpetuated already, good luck stopping them.

[carlito]

gbh said:

jjoschi44 said:

GBH - You cannot justify taking a piece simply because someone else will do so otherwise - that just perpetuates the cycle and encourages more people to do the same.

I agree very much so with that whole sentiment, but one day a few years back I woke up and took a look around me at the world and decided to start living in reality, not in the wonderful disneyland that many feel will be reached one day.

The cycles are fully perpetuated already, good luck stopping them.

the cycle is perpuated by ppl taking that exact attitude

[GD303uk]

original post gone ,
change name and return another day??
makes some of us look like we are condoning removing public street art,
syndicath speak up we can't hear you.

[mcnuts]

run forest run

[Curley]

Have to agree Street art is for everyone and should be left for others to enjoy

[mammal2]

What happened! No pic!

[Zippy]

cant believe the original poster removed the posting.
spineless t**t.
Does the server automatically back up every xxx mins? If so, can it be put back?
Z