[Heavyconsumer]

Just look at any other atists' markets for your answer. I'm sure his stuff would still sell out in similar volumes, as all these prints on Ebay are bought by someone (although heaven knows it's not me at thousands of pounds a print!).

I'm sure a lot of people would be upset in such circumstances, but many of them would be more upset about the lost opportunity to buy somthing undervalued (whatever their motives - short or long term gain) than they would about being able to buy his work, as let's face it, the odds of getting hold of it at source are already getting pretty slim, regardless of one's liquidity and many of those who do, look for a quick opportunity to cash-in.

[Daniel Silk]

I think if Banksy sold the print at true value they would still sell out but might take a little longer He work would then be out of reach for many of us, and so would have moved up into a very different circle of art collectors.
With Banksy's then being out of our market, it would be good for other artists in this scene, and one or more of them would step up and take over the sort of position Banksy holds with as now.

[jaimesl]

Fair point.

... it's a pity the flippers fuck it for everyone else.

Dec 15, 2009 18:11:17 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I think if Banksy sold the print at true value they would still sell out but might take a little longer He work would then be out of reach for many of us, and so would have moved up into a very different circle of art collectors.
With Banksy's then being out of our market, it would be good for other artists in this scene, and one or more of them would step up and take over the sort of position Banksy holds with as now.

[sashaz]

well the annoyance of this model is that people who want it for pure money gains. Flipping them when there are people who would keep them. You cannot get rid of this situtaion untill you sell them at market value. This goes against Banksys ethos so if you want it you have to pay the market price to the flippers. This would be the same if he sold them at market value so in a way the majority get the print they want a the price they would pay.

[spirit]

Haven't got time to find it now but I think the member called Chippy's first post on this forum had some very sensible things to say about this subject.

Unfortunately he went in a poof [snigger] and hasn't been seen since.

[Daniel Silk]

Dec 15, 2009 18:23:12 GMT 1 spirit said:

Haven't got time to find it now but I think the member called Chippy's first post on this forum had some very sensible things to say about this subject.

Unfortunately he went in a poof [snigger] and hasn't been seen since.

Yeah, that was a great post by Chippy.

[Frndly Fire]

At least the way it is done now there is a small chance of picking up a Banksy at an affordable price for many. If they were sold at market value - as has been said - a lot of people would be excluded.

Anybody who wants to buy the print at (or close to) market value still can - as that is the likely price on ebay/on here in a few weeks.

Those genuine fans lucky enouh to get picked out of the lottery have their No Ball Games - i imagine there will be a few who would not have been able to afford £1500+ for it if that is what the POW pricing was. Therefore at least Banksy/POW have made a few people happy!

[Heavyconsumer]

I was wondering what happened to him. Deleted his account by accident maybe? That "delete account" button on the profile update page has almost caught me out when I'm tired, more than once. ;D

[Daniel Silk]

Dec 15, 2009 18:49:13 GMT 1 Heavyconsumer said:

I was wondering what happened to him. Deleted his account by accident maybe? That "delete account" button on the profile update page has almost caught me out when I'm tired, more than once. ;D

Yeah deleted his own account. No idea if it was by mistake, but very easy to do lots of people have done it over the years.

[sixftjellybaby]

Dec 15, 2009 18:22:42 GMT 1 sashaz said:

well the annoyance of this model is that people who want it for pure money gains. Flipping them when there are people who would keep them. You cannot get rid of this situtaion untill you sell them at market value. This goes against Banksys ethos so if you want it you have to pay the market price to the flippers. This would be the same if he sold them at market value so in a way the majority get the print they want a the price they would pay.

Sorry to say and maybe a little controversial but I cant see any [glow=red,2,300]banksy ethos[/glow] anymore

[hlarmy]

Personally I'd love to see Banksy stop releasing prints now. I'm a little bitter I guess as I wait for the new Banksy release each year, and the reality it if you don't live in London, you don't have much chance of getting one. I'm interested to see what he does in 2010 after the successes of the past couple of years. He will need to mix it up again in an attempt to take it to the next level in my opinion...

[spirit]

Dec 15, 2009 18:53:08 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Dec 15, 2009 18:49:13 GMT 1 Heavyconsumer said:

I was wondering what happened to him. Deleted his account by accident maybe? That "delete account" button on the profile update page has almost caught me out when I'm tired, more than once. ;D

Yeah deleted his own account. No idea if it was by mistake, but very easy to do lots of people have done it over the years.

seeing as his last words were "and in a poof he was gone" I think it was most probably deliberate.

[dodge]

I think the only way you could ensure more people had a chance to own a Banksy would be to do higher editions. POW did this with Micallef (GIWTBB) and look what happened to his 'stock'. On the other hand, Banksy is in a different league. Wasn't flags a higher edition too? Most people who wanted them got one of those.

Pricing will make absolutely no difference. Banksy prints will still sell out and people will always try to make a buck from them and push the prices up. I like the fact that POW are selling Banksy prints for less than 'market value' as it keeps them within my price range. However, this point is a bit redundant as I haven't had a Banksy at 'face value' for years. I guess it therefore doesn't really make any difference to as if I want a particular image I will (as usual) end up paying a small fortune for it.

This is a bit of a depressing post isn't it? I would be lovely to go back to the days of being able to get Banksy's prints easily and for a 'fair' price. Even if I could win one of the lotteries/win at F5'ing every now and again I would be happy!

[Frndly Fire]

I know what i said earlier and i do agree with what POW do presently. However if POW sold a Banksy i really wanted for £1500 or £2k i would buy it. However i would never entertain buying the same bring for that price off ebay.

Something just galls me to put £1+k in someone elses back pocket. I know that sounds stupid and i know POW could be classed as that someone but i would just always think - i could have got that for £450 etc if only i had been luckier/able to queue on the day!

[kissysusuki]

Dec 15, 2009 20:03:28 GMT 1 hlarmy said:

Personally I'd love to see Banksy stop releasing prints now. I'm a little bitter I guess as I wait for the new Banksy release each year, and the reality it if you don't live in London, you don't have much chance of getting one. I'm interested to see what he does in 2010 after the successes of the past couple of years. He will need to mix it up again in an attempt to take it to the next level in my opinion...

you do live in London, so what is your gripe?

You forgotten Banksy vs Bristol Museum already? He showed you his broad range of talent in at this show - to include statues, painting, taxidermy, animatronics. Or what about the streetpieces, he did more streetpieces this year alone then he has over the last 2 years. Released 2 prints, online and in store

Is that enough of a mix for you?

I think there are some people on this forum who define their liking of Banksy's works and what POW do, by their own success of getting a print.

Some of you need a reality check, and realise 2009 we have been spoilt not just with works by Banksy, but by a wider range of artist.

[hlarmy]

Dec 15, 2009 21:32:33 GMT 1 RolexDave said:

Dec 15, 2009 20:03:28 GMT 1 hlarmy said:

Personally I'd love to see Banksy stop releasing prints now. I'm a little bitter I guess as I wait for the new Banksy release each year, and the reality it if you don't live in London, you don't have much chance of getting one. I'm interested to see what he does in 2010 after the successes of the past couple of years. He will need to mix it up again in an attempt to take it to the next level in my opinion...

He's already a genius! What level might that be?

Who knows, but I look forward to seeing what it might be. Being a so-called 'genius' does not mean he will stop challenging himself and coming up with new things that will amaze us...

[hlarmy]

Dec 15, 2009 21:44:25 GMT 1 @kissysusuki said:

Dec 15, 2009 20:03:28 GMT 1 hlarmy said:

Personally I'd love to see Banksy stop releasing prints now. I'm a little bitter I guess as I wait for the new Banksy release each year, and the reality it if you don't live in London, you don't have much chance of getting one. I'm interested to see what he does in 2010 after the successes of the past couple of years. He will need to mix it up again in an attempt to take it to the next level in my opinion...

you do live in London, so what is your gripe?

You forgotten Banksy vs Bristol Museum already? He showed you his broad range of talent in at this show - to include statues, painting, taxidermy, animatronics. Or what about the streetpieces, he did more streetpieces this year alone then he has over the last 2 years. Released 2 prints, online and in store

Is that enough of a mix for you?

I think there are some people on this forum who define their liking of Banksy's works and what POW do, by their own success of getting a print.

Some of you need a reality check, and realise 2009 we have been spoilt not just with works by Banksy, but by a wider range of artist.

I don't live in London; I'm admittedly gutted as I wished for a London release for 3 years whilst living there, leave last month and miss this month's release. Sod's law...

Cheers for the advice about a reality check; you seem to think you know a lot about me. Strange that...

[burn111]

banksy prints used to be under £100 and they all never used to sell out
they only sell out now coz people want to make a quick buck (Fact!)
if pow ask for more money for banksy prints they will lose lots of true customers as i thought pow was set up to sell affordable art?
but as each new prints that come out i don't see them affordable i see them as the print house is cashing in on all your greed ;D

[ashby]

Apposed to POW selling them at market value which would put them out of reach of a lot of fans, maybe POW should be selling them for the £800-£1000 price. Still cheaper than the market value, but with a less guaranteed profit the flippers might pass on them.

[dh]

Keep it as it is, some you win most you lose but at the end of the day the chase for the Banksy at cost can be fun...... worst comes to worst pay market value on the secondary market.

[brun]

pow sells the prints around the same price as insect etc. so that is the true market value . but cos banksy is the star of the scene , demand is high (unlike the others) his stuff sells at inflated value ... everybody knows banksy and everybody thinks they will be worth money one day .
personally i believe the huge amount of prints out there , will finally end the collectability of bansky and therfor the values will drop meaning they will once again return to true value and not sell out .........

[manchestermike]

Dec 17, 2009 11:34:50 GMT 1 brun said:

pow sells the prints around the same price as insect etc. so that is the true market value

eh?

[nex]

what is going with this place??? I've never seen so many threads devoted to missing out on prints and their 'value' - truly depressing

[buffin]

Its a bit of a strange one. Think most people agreed that the Monkey Parliament was one of the strongest pieces at Banksy v Bristol Museum and you could buy an unlimited, unsigned poster of it for £10. Don't remember much of a clamour for it either then or now? Personally I would have thought £10 to put a much acclaimed Banksy on the wall was the bargain of the year yet people whinge on about missing out on NBG. Is it hype, greed or collectors mentality?

[gozgoz]

I just like going to any thread Burn111 has posted. - his posts are really a breast of fresh air.

[darrenrapley]

Dec 17, 2009 12:24:33 GMT 1 gozgoz said:

I just like going to any thread Burn111 has posted. - his posts are really a breast of fresh air.

Nice tits too

[ashby]

Dec 17, 2009 12:22:32 GMT 1 buffin said:

Its a bit of a strange one. Think most people agreed that the Monkey Parliament was one of the strongest pieces at Banksy v Bristol Museum and you could buy an unlimited, unsigned poster of it for £10. Don't remember much of a clamour for it either then or now? Personally I would have thought £10 to put a much acclaimed Banksy on the wall was the bargain of the year yet people whinge on about missing out on NBG. Is it hype, greed or collectors mentality?

Agree Monkey Parliament has got to be the release of the year. I am waiting for mine to come back from the framers, then it will be put in place of something existing that cost 50 times more.

[nex]

i must be one of the few that's not a fan - too Time's political cartoon for me - although 'in the flesh' it was impressive due to it's sheer scale and detail

[buffin]

Dec 17, 2009 12:46:42 GMT 1 ashby said:

Dec 17, 2009 12:22:32 GMT 1 buffin said:

Its a bit of a strange one. Think most people agreed that the Monkey Parliament was one of the strongest pieces at Banksy v Bristol Museum and you could buy an unlimited, unsigned poster of it for £10. Don't remember much of a clamour for it either then or now? Personally I would have thought £10 to put a much acclaimed Banksy on the wall was the bargain of the year yet people whinge on about missing out on NBG. Is it hype, greed or collectors mentality?

Agree Monkey Parliament has got to be the release of the year. I am waiting for mine to come back from the framers, then it will be put in place of something existing that cost 50 times more.

Nice one. Post a few pics when you get it back.

[burn111]

Dec 17, 2009 12:24:33 GMT 1 gozgoz said:

I just like going to any thread Burn111 has posted. - his posts are really a breast of fresh air.

;D