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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by Opus Underground on May 31, 2008 15:10:12 GMT 1, Sorry for the delay in getting back it's been a hectic few days. The Q was handled in away that we thought was fair the first 50 people got tickets so whether they stayed or went for a walk they would still have been ahead of the later Q. It has been a lesson and we will work on it for future exhibitions. It appears some people were agressive in the Q and bullied the girl who was working on the door and they should be ashamed of themselves.
We would like to thank everyone who have visited the show and those of you who are still planning to come along in the remaining few days. We would also like to thank the two artists who have both worked really hard on producing two fantastic exhibitions.
All in all both Opus and the artists worked hard to put on a great show for everyone, we obviously didn't set out to upset anyone.
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Sorry for the delay in getting back it's been a hectic few days. The Q was handled in away that we thought was fair the first 50 people got tickets so whether they stayed or went for a walk they would still have been ahead of the later Q. It has been a lesson and we will work on it for future exhibitions. It appears some people were agressive in the Q and bullied the girl who was working on the door and they should be ashamed of themselves. We would like to thank everyone who have visited the show and those of you who are still planning to come along in the remaining few days. We would also like to thank the two artists who have both worked really hard on producing two fantastic exhibitions. All in all both Opus and the artists worked hard to put on a great show for everyone, we obviously didn't set out to upset anyone. A
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cmason
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by cmason on May 31, 2008 15:18:57 GMT 1, Well that terrible German woman and her mute son were sodesperate to get in the front of the queue to buy the prints to flip so they can go feed the rest of the family with lovely juicy frankfurters. die.
Other than that - cool show
Well that terrible German woman and her mute son were sodesperate to get in the front of the queue to buy the prints to flip so they can go feed the rest of the family with lovely juicy frankfurters. die.
Other than that - cool show
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ruat caelum
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by ruat caelum on May 31, 2008 15:25:48 GMT 1, Sorry for the delay in getting back it's been a hectic few days. The Q was handled in away that we thought was fair the first 50 people got tickets so whether they stayed or went for a walk they would still have been ahead of the later Q. It has been a lesson and we will work on it for future exhibitions. It appears some people were agressive in the Q and bullied the girl who was working on the door and they should be ashamed of themselves. We would like to thank everyone who have visited the show and those of you who are still planning to come along in the remaining few days. We would also like to thank the two artists who have both worked really hard on producing two fantastic exhibitions. All in all both Opus and the artists worked hard to put on a great show for everyone, we obviously didn't set out to upset anyone. A
Sorry for the delay? WTF? You've been logging in constantly to check these threads.
Are you really acting as the public face of Opus Underground on this forum? Do your bosses know what you are actually posting? There is a complete lack of business sense here.
If you were a government minister, you would have resigned in shame a long time ago. I'm surprised you haven't been fired.
Sorry for the delay in getting back it's been a hectic few days. The Q was handled in away that we thought was fair the first 50 people got tickets so whether they stayed or went for a walk they would still have been ahead of the later Q. It has been a lesson and we will work on it for future exhibitions. It appears some people were agressive in the Q and bullied the girl who was working on the door and they should be ashamed of themselves. We would like to thank everyone who have visited the show and those of you who are still planning to come along in the remaining few days. We would also like to thank the two artists who have both worked really hard on producing two fantastic exhibitions. All in all both Opus and the artists worked hard to put on a great show for everyone, we obviously didn't set out to upset anyone. A Sorry for the delay? WTF? You've been logging in constantly to check these threads. Are you really acting as the public face of Opus Underground on this forum? Do your bosses know what you are actually posting? There is a complete lack of business sense here. If you were a government minister, you would have resigned in shame a long time ago. I'm surprised you haven't been fired.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by manchestermike on May 31, 2008 15:42:42 GMT 1, Sorry for the delay in getting back it's been a hectic few days. The Q was handled in away that we thought was fair the first 50 people got tickets so whether they stayed or went for a walk they would still have been ahead of the later Q. It has been a lesson and we will work on it for future exhibitions. It appears some people were agressive in the Q and bullied the girl who was working on the door and they should be ashamed of themselves. We would like to thank everyone who have visited the show and those of you who are still planning to come along in the remaining few days. We would also like to thank the two artists who have both worked really hard on producing two fantastic exhibitions. All in all both Opus and the artists worked hard to put on a great show for everyone, we obviously didn't set out to upset anyone. A
I've stayed quiet on this thread, mainly because as now having Edge Art I've felt I can't say anything about what's gone on for fear of coming off as bitter, b**chy etc... But I'm posting as manchestermike not edgeart so as a collector, not a gallery and as a collector there are some big issues here
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You've failed to answer any of the questions here. You've been logged on enough times since the opening and that's more than enough times to know what people were asking. And if that above is an apology, it's f**king pathetic quite frankly... The questions asked on this thread included:
1. As stated on the thread, you've been hyping this show for weeks, all these prints available etc etc... then 35 GG out of 50 presold and 13 out of 15 T&Ts... what happened to the prints being available at the preview like you said they would be?
2. What happened to all the canvases? If the show is sold out before the preview at least let people know this. People travelled to your preview to buy canvases... there was one Hush canvas left. Why was this?
3. How can you even think about justifying taking a ยฃ150 NON-REFUNDABLE deposit off people for a print they've not seen, and maybe won't like?
4. You've been advertising hyping beyond belief this show for months now, with all these prints and originals available at the preview. I agree you need to look after people who have supported these artists since the start, that's the way things have always worked... but why bullshit everyone you're doing something else?
5. Why tell someone who is obviously a good customer (paulypaul) there are NO presales whatsoever then do the opposite? Telling a total lie to a good (and local customer) who has brought business to you from other people as well as himself?
Wonder if they'll get answered, and I'm sure more people have other questions for you to skirt round too...
Sorry for the delay in getting back it's been a hectic few days. The Q was handled in away that we thought was fair the first 50 people got tickets so whether they stayed or went for a walk they would still have been ahead of the later Q. It has been a lesson and we will work on it for future exhibitions. It appears some people were agressive in the Q and bullied the girl who was working on the door and they should be ashamed of themselves. We would like to thank everyone who have visited the show and those of you who are still planning to come along in the remaining few days. We would also like to thank the two artists who have both worked really hard on producing two fantastic exhibitions. All in all both Opus and the artists worked hard to put on a great show for everyone, we obviously didn't set out to upset anyone. A I've stayed quiet on this thread, mainly because as now having Edge Art I've felt I can't say anything about what's gone on for fear of coming off as bitter, b**chy etc... But I'm posting as manchestermike not edgeart so as a collector, not a gallery and as a collector there are some big issues here ----------------------------------- You've failed to answer any of the questions here. You've been logged on enough times since the opening and that's more than enough times to know what people were asking. And if that above is an apology, it's f**king pathetic quite frankly... The questions asked on this thread included: 1. As stated on the thread, you've been hyping this show for weeks, all these prints available etc etc... then 35 GG out of 50 presold and 13 out of 15 T&Ts... what happened to the prints being available at the preview like you said they would be? 2. What happened to all the canvases? If the show is sold out before the preview at least let people know this. People travelled to your preview to buy canvases... there was one Hush canvas left. Why was this? 3. How can you even think about justifying taking a ยฃ150 NON-REFUNDABLE deposit off people for a print they've not seen, and maybe won't like? 4. You've been advertising hyping beyond belief this show for months now, with all these prints and originals available at the preview. I agree you need to look after people who have supported these artists since the start, that's the way things have always worked... but why bullsh it everyone you're doing something else? 5. Why tell someone who is obviously a good customer (paulypaul) there are NO presales whatsoever then do the opposite? Telling a total lie to a good (and local customer) who has brought business to you from other people as well as himself? Wonder if they'll get answered, and I'm sure more people have other questions for you to skirt round too...
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gironawatch
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by gironawatch on May 31, 2008 16:12:52 GMT 1, God post, I agree 100% with you manchestermike
I passed past the gallery at 15.50pm and there were only 2 guys waiting in the queue, one with a green jumper and one lade reading a book. I went home to get changed and then went back again at 4:30pm and was the 10th person in the queue! I was waiting for two and a half hours in the outside queue in the rain and one hand one and a half hours in the 2nd queue inside the gallery and I still didnโt manage to buy a print.
The last one the old man with the blue jacket and the orange bag bought it (he was just in front of me) as he had jumped the queue.
He bought the last of the blue prints, number 50/50, and the one that is now in eBay by the name of artswap.
So what was the point to be in the guess list and wait for 2 hours in the rain, when you were handing out tickets al day without telling anyone.
So next time, let as know I will go for the invitation at 8:00am before going to work and I will not have to spend 2:30 hr waiting in the rain for someone to ask me for ยฃ150 for one print that still is not ready.
Thanks for this very bad and wet night when before the preview all the canvas and prints were already sold out to friends and flippers.
God post, I agree 100% with you manchestermike
I passed past the gallery at 15.50pm and there were only 2 guys waiting in the queue, one with a green jumper and one lade reading a book. I went home to get changed and then went back again at 4:30pm and was the 10th person in the queue! I was waiting for two and a half hours in the outside queue in the rain and one hand one and a half hours in the 2nd queue inside the gallery and I still didnโt manage to buy a print.
The last one the old man with the blue jacket and the orange bag bought it (he was just in front of me) as he had jumped the queue.
He bought the last of the blue prints, number 50/50, and the one that is now in eBay by the name of artswap.
So what was the point to be in the guess list and wait for 2 hours in the rain, when you were handing out tickets al day without telling anyone.
So next time, let as know I will go for the invitation at 8:00am before going to work and I will not have to spend 2:30 hr waiting in the rain for someone to ask me for ยฃ150 for one print that still is not ready.
Thanks for this very bad and wet night when before the preview all the canvas and prints were already sold out to friends and flippers.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by jonpud on May 31, 2008 16:13:59 GMT 1, .....They have been buyers of his art from the early days and subsequently that gives them priority as they have backed him from the start, that's how it works. If you buy early on in someones career you are looked after later on down the line.... thats how it should be done imo.
Agreed! But it rarely works that way! Unfortunately high profile Q jumpers move in!
Reading all the posts here, I think that Opus has a lot to learn fom the likes of BRP. I freely admit that as a long term buyer/friend of Nick Walker I managed to enter the show an hour or so before it opened, BUT I was not allowed to buy the print on offer as it had been rightly reserved for those who queued through the night. Also most of the ยฃ10k plus canvas works had been sold but all below that price were available on a first come first served basis once the show 'officially' opened. I guess the nature of the client waiting in the queue would be looking at this price level rather than a ยฃ35k piece!
Nice one BRP, shame on you Opus!!
.....They have been buyers of his art from the early days and subsequently that gives them priority as they have backed him from the start, that's how it works. If you buy early on in someones career you are looked after later on down the line.... thats how it should be done imo. Agreed! But it rarely works that way! Unfortunately high profile Q jumpers move in! Reading all the posts here, I think that Opus has a lot to learn fom the likes of BRP. I freely admit that as a long term buyer/friend of Nick Walker I managed to enter the show an hour or so before it opened, BUT I was not allowed to buy the print on offer as it had been rightly reserved for those who queued through the night. Also most of the ยฃ10k plus canvas works had been sold but all below that price were available on a first come first served basis once the show 'officially' opened. I guess the nature of the client waiting in the queue would be looking at this price level rather than a ยฃ35k piece! Nice one BRP, shame on you Opus!!
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by Opus Underground on May 31, 2008 16:16:29 GMT 1, To be honest I havn't got time to go through every possible question that has been asked all I can say is that we realise the queue could of and should of been handled better and with this being Opus Undergrounds first show at this level we will learn from it.
We are also aware that people should have been told how many prints would be available on the night rather then releasing the edition sizes. A small number of prints were sold on the buyers night to people who bought originals and a small number were kept buy the artists.
As for over hyping we atempted to show everyone the work in advance so when they came to the show they would have a clear idea of what they wanted! There were never going to be enough prints to keep everyone happy and nobody want's to see prints released in editions of 100+
The level of verbal and physical abuse which has been aimed at myself and my gallery staff is disgracefull and for a gallery which is constantly on here and have helped a great number of members out with finding work I honestly think people need to get some perspective.
Theres a mob mentality which runs through these boards and the number of people who didn't attend jumping on the bandwaggon and spreading stories is unreal. We may have made mistakes but there are a lot of people on here stiring things up for there own ends. After all why would we purposely go out to upset people!
Once again thanks to all the people I got a chance to talk to it was good to put faces to names and hopefully next time things will run smoothly.
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To be honest I havn't got time to go through every possible question that has been asked all I can say is that we realise the queue could of and should of been handled better and with this being Opus Undergrounds first show at this level we will learn from it.
We are also aware that people should have been told how many prints would be available on the night rather then releasing the edition sizes. A small number of prints were sold on the buyers night to people who bought originals and a small number were kept buy the artists.
As for over hyping we atempted to show everyone the work in advance so when they came to the show they would have a clear idea of what they wanted! There were never going to be enough prints to keep everyone happy and nobody want's to see prints released in editions of 100+
The level of verbal and physical abuse which has been aimed at myself and my gallery staff is disgracefull and for a gallery which is constantly on here and have helped a great number of members out with finding work I honestly think people need to get some perspective.
Theres a mob mentality which runs through these boards and the number of people who didn't attend jumping on the bandwaggon and spreading stories is unreal. We may have made mistakes but there are a lot of people on here stiring things up for there own ends. After all why would we purposely go out to upset people!
Once again thanks to all the people I got a chance to talk to it was good to put faces to names and hopefully next time things will run smoothly.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by Deleted on May 31, 2008 16:20:06 GMT 1, Oh oh...wait for it...
Oh oh...wait for it...
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by jonpud on May 31, 2008 16:25:28 GMT 1, If 'galleries' in general, advertised everything within a show before hand, and also stated exactly what would be available 'on the night' including numbers of prints available from a run then there would be no problem!
Sales need to be totally transparent.
Sadly true followers are missing out, generally we are people with small incomes and now find ourselves loosing out as the work that was very 'untrendy' in society has now become extremely 'trendy' to high society!
How about the gallaries opening up to true followers only for a change, what a show that would be!
If 'galleries' in general, advertised everything within a show before hand, and also stated exactly what would be available 'on the night' including numbers of prints available from a run then there would be no problem!
Sales need to be totally transparent.
Sadly true followers are missing out, generally we are people with small incomes and now find ourselves loosing out as the work that was very 'untrendy' in society has now become extremely 'trendy' to high society!
How about the gallaries opening up to true followers only for a change, what a show that would be!
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by manchestermike on May 31, 2008 16:30:44 GMT 1, I'd like to know who is stirring things up for their own ends? I can't see anyone who is...
It seems to me that people want answers that they surely deserve and you're skirting around the issue, well, swerving as far the other way as possible... do your customers not deserve an answer?
Opus Underground Presents Copyright 'Romance Fiction' Hush 'Disgraced' Thursday 29th of May @ 6.30pmThere will be around 40 Originals from the artists and a number of editions! Copyright 'Breathless' - Ed 20 - ยฃ200 Copyright 'Breathless' (Black on Black) - Ed 5 - ยฃ300 Copyright 'Queen of Hearts' - Ed 15 - ยฃ200 Copyright 'Queen of Hearts' (Black on Gold) - Ed 5 - ยฃ300 Copyright 'Untitled' (Skate Deck) - Ed 5 - ยฃ300 Hush 'Graf Geisha' - Ed 50 (25 Red & 25 Blue) - ยฃ250 Hush 'Tits & Terror II' - Ed 15 + 5 AP's - ยฃ350
As for over hyping we atempted to show everyone the work in advance so when they came to the show they would have a clear idea of what they wanted!
But not a clear idea of what's available?
Hi have you any previews and info on the originals that will be released? Come on somethings have to be left as a surprise! ;D A
Seemingly so!!!
How about you answer people's questions in a professional manner rather than just twist it to you being the victims?
I'd like to know who is stirring things up for their own ends? I can't see anyone who is... It seems to me that people want answers that they surely deserve and you're skirting around the issue, well, swerving as far the other way as possible... do your customers not deserve an answer? Opus Underground Presents Copyright 'Romance Fiction' Hush 'Disgraced' Thursday 29th of May @ 6.30pmThere will be around 40 Originals from the artists and a number of editions! Copyright 'Breathless' - Ed 20 - ยฃ200 Copyright 'Breathless' (Black on Black) - Ed 5 - ยฃ300 Copyright 'Queen of Hearts' - Ed 15 - ยฃ200 Copyright 'Queen of Hearts' (Black on Gold) - Ed 5 - ยฃ300 Copyright 'Untitled' (Skate Deck) - Ed 5 - ยฃ300 Hush 'Graf Geisha' - Ed 50 (25 Red & 25 Blue) - ยฃ250 Hush 'Tits & Terror II' - Ed 15 + 5 AP's - ยฃ350 As for over hyping we atempted to show everyone the work in advance so when they came to the show they would have a clear idea of what they wanted! But not a clear idea of what's available? Hi have you any previews and info on the originals that will be released? Come on somethings have to be left as a surprise! ;D A Seemingly so!!! How about you answer people's questions in a professional manner rather than just twist it to you being the victims?
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by jonpud on May 31, 2008 16:37:20 GMT 1, One more observation;
Genuine buyers, ie those who want to hang the art on their wall do not generally get abusive at these releases, those who get abusive/aggressive tend to be those who feel they have missed out on a profit making oportunity! This is a forum and peoples frustration generally gets aired on here, not in the Queue's!!!!
This is a personal observation from several shows I have been to, and if I wanted to I could name and shame some!
One more observation;
Genuine buyers, ie those who want to hang the art on their wall do not generally get abusive at these releases, those who get abusive/aggressive tend to be those who feel they have missed out on a profit making oportunity! This is a forum and peoples frustration generally gets aired on here, not in the Queue's!!!!
This is a personal observation from several shows I have been to, and if I wanted to I could name and shame some!
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by moleman on May 31, 2008 16:37:35 GMT 1, What a load of garbage as expected just be honest not we need to learn we were gready and single minded. the first fifty didnt get in the first 12 did then the que went to rat sh+t. If people were abusive to the nice girl on the door you should of had door men you already knew the show was well over booked i was told by yourselves that the place held 100 and 400 invites had gone out. I have the email to prove it.
It a typical case of money talks some were held by artist as you said on here the aps thats 10 t and t poss the aps of gg to that still left 65 prints of which you sold approx 41 prints before the preveiw to the rich who bought canvases. Which is a disgrace, if yopu have never put on a show l;ike this do belts and braces get it right and people will come from afar to come to your shows. I will not go round the corner to another of your shows apart from to get the best print and flip it. That may be wrong but i had calmed down but your lame arse attempt at answering the hale of crap you have recieved is a complete sham. Brush of your shouklders boys these people need us i can here it now.
1 customer gone dont forget opus its also about building a fan base not just keeping the one you have. You have ignored most things and said what you want we showed people the prints so they could see them yes and then you sold all the fu=king things before we giot there
many thanks stroll on
What a load of garbage as expected just be honest not we need to learn we were gready and single minded. the first fifty didnt get in the first 12 did then the que went to rat sh+t. If people were abusive to the nice girl on the door you should of had door men you already knew the show was well over booked i was told by yourselves that the place held 100 and 400 invites had gone out. I have the email to prove it.
It a typical case of money talks some were held by artist as you said on here the aps thats 10 t and t poss the aps of gg to that still left 65 prints of which you sold approx 41 prints before the preveiw to the rich who bought canvases. Which is a disgrace, if yopu have never put on a show l;ike this do belts and braces get it right and people will come from afar to come to your shows. I will not go round the corner to another of your shows apart from to get the best print and flip it. That may be wrong but i had calmed down but your lame arse attempt at answering the hale of crap you have recieved is a complete sham. Brush of your shouklders boys these people need us i can here it now.
1 customer gone dont forget opus its also about building a fan base not just keeping the one you have. You have ignored most things and said what you want we showed people the prints so they could see them yes and then you sold all the fu=king things before we giot there
many thanks stroll on
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by Opus Underground on May 31, 2008 16:40:19 GMT 1, We are not skirting the issue in a perfect world everyone would have walked away happy however both artists created very low edition prints so their would alway be people left disapointed.
We have made it clear that we recognise the mistakes and that we will endeavour to make sure they do not happen again.
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We are not skirting the issue in a perfect world everyone would have walked away happy however both artists created very low edition prints so their would alway be people left disapointed.
We have made it clear that we recognise the mistakes and that we will endeavour to make sure they do not happen again.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by manchestermike on May 31, 2008 16:44:38 GMT 1, We are not skirting the issue in a perfect world everyone would have walked away happy however both artists created very low edition prints so their would alway be people left disapointed. We have made it clear that we recognise the mistakes and that we will endeavour to make sure they do not happen again. A
I'm sure it won't, but for the benefit of the large amount of your customers who have been asking the questions below, do you not think they deserve a response?
1. As stated on the thread, you've been hyping this show for weeks, all these prints available etc etc... then 35 GG out of 50 presold and 13 out of 15 T&Ts... what happened to the prints being available at the preview like you said they would be?
2. What happened to all the canvases? If the show is sold out before the preview at least let people know this. People travelled to your preview to buy canvases... there was one Hush canvas left. Why was this?
3. How can you even think about justifying taking a ยฃ150 NON-REFUNDABLE deposit off people for a print they've not seen, and maybe won't like?
4. You've been advertising hyping beyond belief this show for months now, with all these prints and originals available at the preview. I agree you need to look after people who have supported these artists since the start, that's the way things have always worked... but why bullshit everyone you're doing something else?
5. Why tell someone who is obviously a good customer (paulypaul) there are NO presales whatsoever then do the opposite? Telling a total lie to a good (and local customer) who has brought business to you from other people as well as himself?
We are not skirting the issue in a perfect world everyone would have walked away happy however both artists created very low edition prints so their would alway be people left disapointed. We have made it clear that we recognise the mistakes and that we will endeavour to make sure they do not happen again. A I'm sure it won't, but for the benefit of the large amount of your customers who have been asking the questions below, do you not think they deserve a response? 1. As stated on the thread, you've been hyping this show for weeks, all these prints available etc etc... then 35 GG out of 50 presold and 13 out of 15 T&Ts... what happened to the prints being available at the preview like you said they would be? 2. What happened to all the canvases? If the show is sold out before the preview at least let people know this. People travelled to your preview to buy canvases... there was one Hush canvas left. Why was this? 3. How can you even think about justifying taking a ยฃ150 NON-REFUNDABLE deposit off people for a print they've not seen, and maybe won't like? 4. You've been advertising hyping beyond belief this show for months now, with all these prints and originals available at the preview. I agree you need to look after people who have supported these artists since the start, that's the way things have always worked... but why bullshit everyone you're doing something else? 5. Why tell someone who is obviously a good customer (paulypaul) there are NO presales whatsoever then do the opposite? Telling a total lie to a good (and local customer) who has brought business to you from other people as well as himself?
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by Matt-lock on May 31, 2008 16:51:05 GMT 1, how bout a special small and affordable edition for the previous people who stated they queued and missed out No idea how this could work out but it just seems there could be a way to at least kind of make up to the people who waited and missed out. It's been done in the past with galleries creating special editions. Not sure if these people would even still be interested in purchasing anything but it would be a nice gesture to at least try something...
how bout a special small and affordable edition for the previous people who stated they queued and missed out No idea how this could work out but it just seems there could be a way to at least kind of make up to the people who waited and missed out. It's been done in the past with galleries creating special editions. Not sure if these people would even still be interested in purchasing anything but it would be a nice gesture to at least try something...
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by savilerogue on May 31, 2008 16:56:03 GMT 1, We are not skirting the issue in a perfect world everyone would have walked away happy however both artists created very low edition prints so their would alway be people left disapointed. We have made it clear that we recognise the mistakes and that we will endeavour to make sure they do not happen again. A I'm sure it won't, but for the benefit of the large amount of your customers who have been asking the questions below, do you not think they deserve a response? 1. As stated on the thread, you've been hyping this show for weeks, all these prints available etc etc... then 35 GG out of 50 presold and 13 out of 15 T&Ts... what happened to the prints being available at the preview like you said they would be? 2. What happened to all the canvases? If the show is sold out before the preview at least let people know this. People travelled to your preview to buy canvases... there was one Hush canvas left. Why was this? 3. How can you even think about justifying taking a ยฃ150 NON-REFUNDABLE deposit off people for a print they've not seen, and maybe won't like? 4. You've been advertising hyping beyond belief this show for months now, with all these prints and originals available at the preview. I agree you need to look after people who have supported these artists since the start, that's the way things have always worked... but why bulls**t everyone you're doing something else? 5. Why tell someone who is obviously a good customer (paulypaul) there are NO presales whatsoever then do the opposite? Telling a total lie to a good (and local customer) who has brought business to you from other people as well as himself?
I'm not holding my breath on these anwers being forthcoming...
We are not skirting the issue in a perfect world everyone would have walked away happy however both artists created very low edition prints so their would alway be people left disapointed. We have made it clear that we recognise the mistakes and that we will endeavour to make sure they do not happen again. A I'm sure it won't, but for the benefit of the large amount of your customers who have been asking the questions below, do you not think they deserve a response? 1. As stated on the thread, you've been hyping this show for weeks, all these prints available etc etc... then 35 GG out of 50 presold and 13 out of 15 T&Ts... what happened to the prints being available at the preview like you said they would be? 2. What happened to all the canvases? If the show is sold out before the preview at least let people know this. People travelled to your preview to buy canvases... there was one Hush canvas left. Why was this? 3. How can you even think about justifying taking a ยฃ150 NON-REFUNDABLE deposit off people for a print they've not seen, and maybe won't like? 4. You've been advertising hyping beyond belief this show for months now, with all these prints and originals available at the preview. I agree you need to look after people who have supported these artists since the start, that's the way things have always worked... but why bulls**t everyone you're doing something else? 5. Why tell someone who is obviously a good customer (paulypaul) there are NO presales whatsoever then do the opposite? Telling a total lie to a good (and local customer) who has brought business to you from other people as well as himself? I'm not holding my breath on these anwers being forthcoming...
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by Heavyconsumer on May 31, 2008 16:57:32 GMT 1, We are not skirting the issue in a perfect world everyone would have walked away happy however both artists created very low edition prints so their would alway be people left disapointed. We have made it clear that we recognise the mistakes and that we will endeavour to make sure they do not happen again. A
You are skirting the issues and being defensive, not to mention putting yourself before the customers in a public forum. The fact is you have treated your customers poorly and you're complaining of the reciprocity this has caused. It's not only people that went who've been treated poorly, so anyone else commenting on their experiences of you has that right too.
We are not skirting the issue in a perfect world everyone would have walked away happy however both artists created very low edition prints so their would alway be people left disapointed. We have made it clear that we recognise the mistakes and that we will endeavour to make sure they do not happen again. A You are skirting the issues and being defensive, not to mention putting yourself before the customers in a public forum. The fact is you have treated your customers poorly and you're complaining of the reciprocity this has caused. It's not only people that went who've been treated poorly, so anyone else commenting on their experiences of you has that right too.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by loucastel on May 31, 2008 17:04:07 GMT 1, I cant believe some of the naive comments I'm reading on here, art is a commodity and the sooner some people realise that the better understanding they will have, it is big business, all galleries are in business to make money. and I mean ALL galleries, I should imagine that the people who turned up to the pre opening night were Opus's top client list, which is how it should be, after all these are the people who support them, not just for one release. does anybody on here really think that this business survives on one Hush realease. And if most of the work sold ,surely that is a big compliment to the artists involved, as for all the "true followers" (whoever they may be) bit and thinking that they are owed something is delusional. I think the only thing Opus is guilty of is not enough information, perhaps a sign outside stating what was left, after all they cant be blamed for the rain. This is just another lynch mob thread, I'm suprised Opus came on here to explain at all. By the way, anyone got a red Geisha they want to sell.
I cant believe some of the naive comments I'm reading on here, art is a commodity and the sooner some people realise that the better understanding they will have, it is big business, all galleries are in business to make money. and I mean ALL galleries, I should imagine that the people who turned up to the pre opening night were Opus's top client list, which is how it should be, after all these are the people who support them, not just for one release. does anybody on here really think that this business survives on one Hush realease. And if most of the work sold ,surely that is a big compliment to the artists involved, as for all the "true followers" (whoever they may be) bit and thinking that they are owed something is delusional. I think the only thing Opus is guilty of is not enough information, perhaps a sign outside stating what was left, after all they cant be blamed for the rain. This is just another lynch mob thread, I'm suprised Opus came on here to explain at all. By the way, anyone got a red Geisha they want to sell.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by Billy Sport on May 31, 2008 17:08:49 GMT 1, Opus,
Mike has asked some spot on questions at least twice, which a lot of people have asked (albeit in a less polite way) and want to know the answers to.
To state you have learnt your lessons and will endevour to make sure these dont happen again is a bit of a cop out.
In my opinion your credibility is on the line here, as soon as I realised there was 400 invited to the preview it made my mind up not to go, as you dont have to be a rocket scientist to realise problems could occur. This is a problem that is becoming more frequent.
Why invite 400 people when the show runs the whole weekend, only approximately 60 sets of prints if as to your earlier posts people could buy 1 hush and 1 copyright, the generally positive noises about the show from this board, and the general frenzy of urban art at the moment. Did you honestly think no one would turn up?
Its a bit like a teenager posts a party at his house on facebook, place gets mobbed and ruined and he cant understand why...
Opus,
Mike has asked some spot on questions at least twice, which a lot of people have asked (albeit in a less polite way) and want to know the answers to.
To state you have learnt your lessons and will endevour to make sure these dont happen again is a bit of a cop out.
In my opinion your credibility is on the line here, as soon as I realised there was 400 invited to the preview it made my mind up not to go, as you dont have to be a rocket scientist to realise problems could occur. This is a problem that is becoming more frequent.
Why invite 400 people when the show runs the whole weekend, only approximately 60 sets of prints if as to your earlier posts people could buy 1 hush and 1 copyright, the generally positive noises about the show from this board, and the general frenzy of urban art at the moment. Did you honestly think no one would turn up?
Its a bit like a teenager posts a party at his house on facebook, place gets mobbed and ruined and he cant understand why...
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by manchestermike on May 31, 2008 17:10:45 GMT 1, I cant believe some of the naive comments I'm reading on here, art is a commodity and the sooner some people realise that the better understanding they will have, it is big business, all galleries are in business to make money. and I mean ALL galleries, I should imagine that the people who turned up to the pre opening night were Opus's top client list, which is how it should be, after all these are the people who support them, not just for one release. does anybody on here really think that this business survives on one Hush realease. And if most of the work sold ,surely that is a big compliment to the artists involved, as for all the "true followers" (whoever they may be) bit and thinking that they are owed something is delusional. I think the only thing Opus is guilty of is not enough information, perhaps a sign outside stating what was left, after all they cant be blamed for the rain. This is just another lynch mob thread, I'm suprised Opus came on here to explain at all. By the way, anyone got a red Geisha they want to sell.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but to tell customers one thing and do another isn't right... there are a lot of people on this thread who are quite rightly annoyed, and I'm sure most of these people realise that art is a big business. I can't speak for them but again, I'm sure they don't feel they're owed anything except an explanation, which for the ease of Opus I've tried to condense into 5 questions.
It's not a lynch mob thread at all... and you shouldn't be surprised Opus have come on here to "explain"... their customers deserve an explaination
I cant believe some of the naive comments I'm reading on here, art is a commodity and the sooner some people realise that the better understanding they will have, it is big business, all galleries are in business to make money. and I mean ALL galleries, I should imagine that the people who turned up to the pre opening night were Opus's top client list, which is how it should be, after all these are the people who support them, not just for one release. does anybody on here really think that this business survives on one Hush realease. And if most of the work sold ,surely that is a big compliment to the artists involved, as for all the "true followers" (whoever they may be) bit and thinking that they are owed something is delusional. I think the only thing Opus is guilty of is not enough information, perhaps a sign outside stating what was left, after all they cant be blamed for the rain. This is just another lynch mob thread, I'm suprised Opus came on here to explain at all. By the way, anyone got a red Geisha they want to sell. I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but to tell customers one thing and do another isn't right... there are a lot of people on this thread who are quite rightly annoyed, and I'm sure most of these people realise that art is a big business. I can't speak for them but again, I'm sure they don't feel they're owed anything except an explanation, which for the ease of Opus I've tried to condense into 5 questions. It's not a lynch mob thread at all... and you shouldn't be surprised Opus have come on here to "explain"... their customers deserve an explaination
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by Harveyn on May 31, 2008 17:12:18 GMT 1, Opus - I certainly think question 1 & 2 from Mike deserve an answer. With open honest answers and combined with this being your first show, I believe that this would put this matter to bed and allow people to concentrate on the art from the show.
Opus - I certainly think question 1 & 2 from Mike deserve an answer. With open honest answers and combined with this being your first show, I believe that this would put this matter to bed and allow people to concentrate on the art from the show.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by Billy Sport on May 31, 2008 17:12:48 GMT 1, Lou,
I agree with a lot of your sentiments but, when a gallery comes on and promotes the hell out of their exhibition stating size of print runs etc, then I think they leave themselves open to receiving a hard time when it goes t!ts up.
Lou,
I agree with a lot of your sentiments but, when a gallery comes on and promotes the hell out of their exhibition stating size of print runs etc, then I think they leave themselves open to receiving a hard time when it goes t!ts up.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by onemandown72 on May 31, 2008 17:18:28 GMT 1, To be honest I havn't got time to go through every possible question that has been asked all I can say is that we realise the queue could of and should of been handled better and with this being Opus Undergrounds first show at this level we will learn from it. We are also aware that people should have been told how many prints would be available on the night rather then releasing the edition sizes. A small number of prints were sold on the buyers night to people who bought originals and a small number were kept buy the artists. As for over hyping we atempted to show everyone the work in advance so when they came to the show they would have a clear idea of what they wanted! There were never going to be enough prints to keep everyone happy and nobody want's to see prints released in editions of 100+ The level of verbal and physical abuse which has been aimed at myself and my gallery staff is disgracefull and for a gallery which is constantly on here and have helped a great number of members out with finding work I honestly think people need to get some perspective. Theres a mob mentality which runs through these boards and the number of people who didn't attend jumping on the bandwaggon and spreading stories is unreal. We may have made mistakes but there are a lot of people on here stiring things up for there own ends. After all why would we purposely go out to upset people! Once again thanks to all the people I got a chance to talk to it was good to put faces to names and hopefully next time things will run smoothly. A
Just read both of Opus's responses and the lack of an apology is astounding. I haven't once seen the use of the word sorry in regards to people who have been let down.
Again this is not about preselling work to loyal followers of Hush, this is not about criticism of actions by people in the queue, this debacle has always been about the publicity on the forum for the show and what would be available for those who attended. People queued as a direct result of Opus assuring them that there would be enough work to buy. And then sold the vast majority pre show - so from this I can only see 2 possible explainations. If this was niave then I would imagine a public apology would be the first thing that Opus & Hush would have rushed to do. F*Ck ups do happen, and holding your hand's up afterwards is the best thing to do, and shows that you were caught out and made a genuine mistake Whereas the slow & wounded response from Opus leads me to believe this was a cynical manipulation of the forum to drive business for the show.
To be honest I havn't got time to go through every possible question that has been asked all I can say is that we realise the queue could of and should of been handled better and with this being Opus Undergrounds first show at this level we will learn from it. We are also aware that people should have been told how many prints would be available on the night rather then releasing the edition sizes. A small number of prints were sold on the buyers night to people who bought originals and a small number were kept buy the artists. As for over hyping we atempted to show everyone the work in advance so when they came to the show they would have a clear idea of what they wanted! There were never going to be enough prints to keep everyone happy and nobody want's to see prints released in editions of 100+ The level of verbal and physical abuse which has been aimed at myself and my gallery staff is disgracefull and for a gallery which is constantly on here and have helped a great number of members out with finding work I honestly think people need to get some perspective. Theres a mob mentality which runs through these boards and the number of people who didn't attend jumping on the bandwaggon and spreading stories is unreal. We may have made mistakes but there are a lot of people on here stiring things up for there own ends. After all why would we purposely go out to upset people! Once again thanks to all the people I got a chance to talk to it was good to put faces to names and hopefully next time things will run smoothly. A Just read both of Opus's responses and the lack of an apology is astounding. I haven't once seen the use of the word sorry in regards to people who have been let down. Again this is not about preselling work to loyal followers of Hush, this is not about criticism of actions by people in the queue, this debacle has always been about the publicity on the forum for the show and what would be available for those who attended. People queued as a direct result of Opus assuring them that there would be enough work to buy. And then sold the vast majority pre show - so from this I can only see 2 possible explainations. If this was niave then I would imagine a public apology would be the first thing that Opus & Hush would have rushed to do. F*Ck ups do happen, and holding your hand's up afterwards is the best thing to do, and shows that you were caught out and made a genuine mistake Whereas the slow & wounded response from Opus leads me to believe this was a cynical manipulation of the forum to drive business for the show.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by Opus Underground on May 31, 2008 17:21:19 GMT 1, We are not skirting the issue in a perfect world everyone would have walked away happy however both artists created very low edition prints so their would alway be people left disapointed. We have made it clear that we recognise the mistakes and that we will endeavour to make sure they do not happen again. A I'm sure it won't, but for the benefit of the large amount of your customers who have been asking the questions below, do you not think they deserve a response? 1. As stated on the thread, you've been hyping this show for weeks, all these prints available etc etc... then 35 GG out of 50 presold and 13 out of 15 T&Ts... what happened to the prints being available at the preview like you said they would be? 2. What happened to all the canvases? If the show is sold out before the preview at least let people know this. People travelled to your preview to buy canvases... there was one Hush canvas left. Why was this? 3. How can you even think about justifying taking a ยฃ150 NON-REFUNDABLE deposit off people for a print they've not seen, and maybe won't like? 4. You've been advertising hyping beyond belief this show for months now, with all these prints and originals available at the preview. I agree you need to look after people who have supported these artists since the start, that's the way things have always worked... but why bulls**t everyone you're doing something else? 5. Why tell someone who is obviously a good customer (paulypaul) there are NO presales whatsoever then do the opposite? Telling a total lie to a good (and local customer) who has brought business to you from other people as well as himself?
1 - People who bought originals canvases were able to also buy a print we also had less available then we previously expected and thsi is why we allowed people to pre order the next print so they had not queued for no reason.
2 - The canvases sold to people who have supported the artists work and on the evening of the show we told anybody who asked that if they wanted an original work they should comtact and discuss a commision piece which would be available for the same price as the pieces at the show. Obviously this is not ideal but it was a way of sorting a demand which out stripped the number of original works!
3 - Nobody was forced to pay the deposit to pre-order the print and as soon as we have the artwork it will be shown and if anybody has any serious dislike of it they should get in touch and discuss it with us but if your a fan of Hush's work i'm sure you will love his next piece.
4 - We wern't bullshitting anyone there are still prints and originals from Copyright available now and we tried to make Hush's work available (as discussed above)
5 - I can't discuss individuals but we tried to get back to everbody who got in touch to tell them that the prints would only be available at the London show if we failed to respond I apologise but it's been a very busy time.
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We are not skirting the issue in a perfect world everyone would have walked away happy however both artists created very low edition prints so their would alway be people left disapointed. We have made it clear that we recognise the mistakes and that we will endeavour to make sure they do not happen again. A I'm sure it won't, but for the benefit of the large amount of your customers who have been asking the questions below, do you not think they deserve a response? 1. As stated on the thread, you've been hyping this show for weeks, all these prints available etc etc... then 35 GG out of 50 presold and 13 out of 15 T&Ts... what happened to the prints being available at the preview like you said they would be? 2. What happened to all the canvases? If the show is sold out before the preview at least let people know this. People travelled to your preview to buy canvases... there was one Hush canvas left. Why was this? 3. How can you even think about justifying taking a ยฃ150 NON-REFUNDABLE deposit off people for a print they've not seen, and maybe won't like? 4. You've been advertising hyping beyond belief this show for months now, with all these prints and originals available at the preview. I agree you need to look after people who have supported these artists since the start, that's the way things have always worked... but why bulls**t everyone you're doing something else? 5. Why tell someone who is obviously a good customer (paulypaul) there are NO presales whatsoever then do the opposite? Telling a total lie to a good (and local customer) who has brought business to you from other people as well as himself? 1 - People who bought originals canvases were able to also buy a print we also had less available then we previously expected and thsi is why we allowed people to pre order the next print so they had not queued for no reason. 2 - The canvases sold to people who have supported the artists work and on the evening of the show we told anybody who asked that if they wanted an original work they should comtact and discuss a commision piece which would be available for the same price as the pieces at the show. Obviously this is not ideal but it was a way of sorting a demand which out stripped the number of original works! 3 - Nobody was forced to pay the deposit to pre-order the print and as soon as we have the artwork it will be shown and if anybody has any serious dislike of it they should get in touch and discuss it with us but if your a fan of Hush's work i'm sure you will love his next piece. 4 - We wern't bullshitting anyone there are still prints and originals from Copyright available now and we tried to make Hush's work available (as discussed above) 5 - I can't discuss individuals but we tried to get back to everbody who got in touch to tell them that the prints would only be available at the London show if we failed to respond I apologise but it's been a very busy time. A
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by manchestermike on May 31, 2008 17:25:13 GMT 1, Thank you for your answers... I'm not sure they'll satisfy those who had the issues at the show, but I'm sure they'll appreciate the response to their questions.
Thank you for your answers... I'm not sure they'll satisfy those who had the issues at the show, but I'm sure they'll appreciate the response to their questions.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by loucastel on May 31, 2008 17:26:34 GMT 1, [quote author=manchestermike board=general thread=20298[/quote]
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but to tell customers one thing and do another isn't right... there are a lot of people on this thread who are quite rightly annoyed, and I'm sure most of these people realise that art is a big business. I can't speak for them but again, I'm sure they don't feel they're owed anything except an explanation, which for the ease of Opus I've tried to condense into 5 questions.
It's not a lynch mob thread at all... and you shouldn't be surprised Opus have come on here to "explain"... their customers deserve an explaination[/quote]I would have thought the aswers to most of your questions, Mike, are self explanetory, they sold out the night before, perhaps they were more popular than anyone could have imagined, as I said in my other post, that is where they went astray, by not informing people that. As for "nobody expecting anything other than an explanation" somebody has already posted saying there should be a special edition for those who queued.
[quote author=manchestermike board=general thread=20298[/quote]
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but to tell customers one thing and do another isn't right... there are a lot of people on this thread who are quite rightly annoyed, and I'm sure most of these people realise that art is a big business. I can't speak for them but again, I'm sure they don't feel they're owed anything except an explanation, which for the ease of Opus I've tried to condense into 5 questions.
It's not a lynch mob thread at all... and you shouldn't be surprised Opus have come on here to "explain"... their customers deserve an explaination[/quote]I would have thought the aswers to most of your questions, Mike, are self explanetory, they sold out the night before, perhaps they were more popular than anyone could have imagined, as I said in my other post, that is where they went astray, by not informing people that. As for "nobody expecting anything other than an explanation" somebody has already posted saying there should be a special edition for those who queued.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by jonpud on May 31, 2008 17:31:19 GMT 1, An element of respect is due to Opus for answering any questions at all, this is more than Laz ever did after the Micallef fiasco. And a larger amount of respect for not just closing your account and hiding from the forum (although that would be bad for business!)
It would be so much easier if they opened a new thread with an apology and admitting they f**ked up! Small compensation but it means a lot!
I have to say that I don't agree with giving purchasers of the canvases an option of buying a print from a very limited run, generally those who buy the canvases have decent incomes and resources, the prints should be saved for the queueing public and fan base, ie those with lower incomes and smaller resources!
I wonder if an original canvas and print/prints appear on Filthy Modern Art's website within the next few days!? Is that fair?
An element of respect is due to Opus for answering any questions at all, this is more than Laz ever did after the Micallef fiasco. And a larger amount of respect for not just closing your account and hiding from the forum (although that would be bad for business!) It would be so much easier if they opened a new thread with an apology and admitting they f**ked up! Small compensation but it means a lot! I have to say that I don't agree with giving purchasers of the canvases an option of buying a print from a very limited run, generally those who buy the canvases have decent incomes and resources, the prints should be saved for the queueing public and fan base, ie those with lower incomes and smaller resources! I wonder if an original canvas and print/prints appear on Filthy Modern Art's website within the next few days!? Is that fair?
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by manchestermike on May 31, 2008 17:31:29 GMT 1, Lou:
I'm aware they probably are to some people... the questions were to condense what has already been asked in 8 pages of this thread into the main points people wanted answering... which Opus have now done.
Lou:
I'm aware they probably are to some people... the questions were to condense what has already been asked in 8 pages of this thread into the main points people wanted answering... which Opus have now done.
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by annar50 on May 31, 2008 17:35:35 GMT 1, To be honest I havn't got time to go through every possible question that has been asked all I can say is that we realise the queue could of and should of been handled better and with this being Opus Undergrounds first show at this level we will learn from it. We are also aware that people should have been told how many prints would be available on the night rather then releasing the edition sizes. A small number of prints were sold on the buyers night to people who bought originals and a small number were kept buy the artists. As for over hyping we atempted to show everyone the work in advance so when they came to the show they would have a clear idea of what they wanted! There were never going to be enough prints to keep everyone happy and nobody want's to see prints released in editions of 100+ The level of verbal and physical abuse which has been aimed at myself and my gallery staff is disgracefull and for a gallery which is constantly on here and have helped a great number of members out with finding work I honestly think people need to get some perspective. Theres a mob mentality which runs through these boards and the number of people who didn't attend jumping on the bandwaggon and spreading stories is unreal. We may have made mistakes but there are a lot of people on here stiring things up for there own ends. After all why would we purposely go out to upset people! Once again thanks to all the people I got a chance to talk to it was good to put faces to names and hopefully next time things will run smoothly. A
To be honest I havn't got time to go through every possible question that has been asked all I can say is that we realise the queue could of and should of been handled better and with this being Opus Undergrounds first show at this level we will learn from it. We are also aware that people should have been told how many prints would be available on the night rather then releasing the edition sizes. A small number of prints were sold on the buyers night to people who bought originals and a small number were kept buy the artists. As for over hyping we atempted to show everyone the work in advance so when they came to the show they would have a clear idea of what they wanted! There were never going to be enough prints to keep everyone happy and nobody want's to see prints released in editions of 100+ The level of verbal and physical abuse which has been aimed at myself and my gallery staff is disgracefull and for a gallery which is constantly on here and have helped a great number of members out with finding work I honestly think people need to get some perspective. Theres a mob mentality which runs through these boards and the number of people who didn't attend jumping on the bandwaggon and spreading stories is unreal. We may have made mistakes but there are a lot of people on here stiring things up for there own ends. After all why would we purposely go out to upset people! Once again thanks to all the people I got a chance to talk to it was good to put faces to names and hopefully next time things will run smoothly. A
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Copyright / Hush - The queue rumours..., by loucastel on May 31, 2008 17:47:57 GMT 1, An element of respect is due to Opus for answering any questions at all, this is more than Laz ever did after the Micallef fiasco. And a larger amount of respect for not just closing your account and hiding from the forum (although that would be bad for business!) It would be so much easier if they opened a new thread with an apology and admitting they f**ked up! Small compensation but it means a lot! I have to say that I don't agree with giving purchasers of the canvases an option of buying a print from a very limited run, generally those who buy the canvases have decent incomes and resources, the prints should be saved for the queueing public and fan base, ie those with lower incomes and smaller resources! I wonder if an original canvas and print/prints appear on Filthy Modern Art's website within the next few days!? Is that fair?[/quote] It's not fair but that's life, during Nick Walkers show in LA, I tried to buy a Rataouille canvas,only to be told they were all sold (three were available from an edition of ten) only to see one for sale on filthymodernart for ยฃ20K two days later, BRP did nothing about that, but they dont get called into question for that sort of thing, i.e selling to other gallery's Also all this talk about "Fan base" "true followers" "hardcore fans" etc is dreaming, a year or so ago that may have been the case, but times have changed, for the better or worse that is up to you, but one thing remains constant, money talks. As for saying the prints should have been saved for Joe public in the queue who may be on a lesser income, albeit a nice thought, is unworkable, after all you would have to means test the queue. Still waiting for someone to offer me their Geisha red.
An element of respect is due to Opus for answering any questions at all, this is more than Laz ever did after the Micallef fiasco. And a larger amount of respect for not just closing your account and hiding from the forum (although that would be bad for business!) It would be so much easier if they opened a new thread with an apology and admitting they f**ked up! Small compensation but it means a lot! I have to say that I don't agree with giving purchasers of the canvases an option of buying a print from a very limited run, generally those who buy the canvases have decent incomes and resources, the prints should be saved for the queueing public and fan base, ie those with lower incomes and smaller resources! I wonder if an original canvas and print/prints appear on Filthy Modern Art's website within the next few days!? Is that fair?[/quote] It's not fair but that's life, during Nick Walkers show in LA, I tried to buy a Rataouille canvas,only to be told they were all sold (three were available from an edition of ten) only to see one for sale on filthymodernart for ยฃ20K two days later, BRP did nothing about that, but they dont get called into question for that sort of thing, i.e selling to other gallery's Also all this talk about "Fan base" "true followers" "hardcore fans" etc is dreaming, a year or so ago that may have been the case, but times have changed, for the better or worse that is up to you, but one thing remains constant, money talks. As for saying the prints should have been saved for Joe public in the queue who may be on a lesser income, albeit a nice thought, is unworkable, after all you would have to means test the queue. Still waiting for someone to offer me their Geisha red.
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