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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by manchestermike on Oct 6, 2008 9:41:40 GMT 1, LONDONโLazarides gallery has canceled the art raffle it had planned to hold during Frieze Art Fair "due to unforeseen circumstances." The Lazarides Extravaganza was planned for October 16 and was to include works by Antony Micaelief, Faile, and Banksy, with tickets costing ยฃ5,000 ($8,870) a piece.
According to the gallery, the decision came following advice from the Gambling Commission, which said that the event would infringe on the law if it went ahead. The gallery plans to keep the collection of raffle works together and exhibit them for sale at a later date, as well as donate a portion of the proceeds from the sale to charity. Ticket holders will receive full refunds and a free piece of art each.
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LONDONโLazarides gallery has canceled the art raffle it had planned to hold during Frieze Art Fair "due to unforeseen circumstances." The Lazarides Extravaganza was planned for October 16 and was to include works by Antony Micaelief, Faile, and Banksy, with tickets costing ยฃ5,000 ($8,870) a piece.
According to the gallery, the decision came following advice from the Gambling Commission, which said that the event would infringe on the law if it went ahead. The gallery plans to keep the collection of raffle works together and exhibit them for sale at a later date, as well as donate a portion of the proceeds from the sale to charity. Ticket holders will receive full refunds and a free piece of art each.
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by ยฉhief' on Oct 6, 2008 10:06:58 GMT 1, Oh bollocks! I was hoping to win something nice with the ten tickets I bought 
Oh bollocks! I was hoping to win something nice with the ten tickets I bought |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by Agent Provocateur on Oct 6, 2008 10:11:49 GMT 1, Mmm, I'm feeling cynical this morning...  
At least it's a nice gesture to give them all a free piece of art 
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by funster on Oct 6, 2008 10:55:52 GMT 1, Strange that Graffle seemed to manage it without any probs 
Strange that Graffle seemed to manage it without any probs |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by manchestermike on Oct 6, 2008 11:20:45 GMT 1, Strange that Graffle seemed to manage it without any probs
Not really. Graffle was done for charity. Raffles can be done for charity reasons. The Laz one wasn't like this so they have a simple problem which can be overcome by making whoever enters answer a multiple choice (A/B/C) question which makes it a "test of skill" rather than a raffle.
As the way round it is so simple to implement then I think it may be down to amount sold rather than the actual issues of the 'raffle' itself
Strange that Graffle seemed to manage it without any probs Not really. Graffle was done for charity. Raffles can be done for charity reasons. The Laz one wasn't like this so they have a simple problem which can be overcome by making whoever enters answer a multiple choice (A/B/C) question which makes it a "test of skill" rather than a raffle. As the way round it is so simple to implement then I think it may be down to amount sold rather than the actual issues of the 'raffle' itself |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by funster on Oct 6, 2008 11:30:14 GMT 1, Mike - you know too much!
Mike - you know too much! |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by alsbabar on Oct 6, 2008 11:30:31 GMT 1, disagree mike, nothing to do with sales - it really was a gaming issue, and the fact that they were at the Outsider show in New York when this problem came up - meant they didnt have enough time to get the legal issues resolved. No doubt you will hear more from Laz about the rescheduled date shortly
disagree mike, nothing to do with sales - it really was a gaming issue, and the fact that they were at the Outsider show in New York when this problem came up - meant they didnt have enough time to get the legal issues resolved. No doubt you will hear more from Laz about the rescheduled date shortly
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by graeme501 on Oct 6, 2008 11:55:51 GMT 1, right on time alsbabar 
right on time alsbabar |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by Curley on Oct 6, 2008 12:07:21 GMT 1, what rescheduled date its refunds all the way :-(
LONDONโLazarides gallery has canceled the art raffle it had planned to hold during Frieze Art Fair "due to unforeseen circumstances." The Lazarides Extravaganza was planned for October 16 and was to include works by Antony Micaelief, Faile, and Banksy, with tickets costing ยฃ5,000 ($8,870) a piece.
According to the gallery, the decision came following advice from the Gambling Commission, which said that the event would infringe on the law if it went ahead. The gallery plans to keep the collection of raffle works together and exhibit them for sale at a later date, as well as donate a portion of the proceeds from the sale to charity. Ticket holders will receive full refunds and a free piece of art each.
what rescheduled date its refunds all the way :-(
LONDONโLazarides gallery has canceled the art raffle it had planned to hold during Frieze Art Fair "due to unforeseen circumstances." The Lazarides Extravaganza was planned for October 16 and was to include works by Antony Micaelief, Faile, and Banksy, with tickets costing ยฃ5,000 ($8,870) a piece.
According to the gallery, the decision came following advice from the Gambling Commission, which said that the event would infringe on the law if it went ahead. The gallery plans to keep the collection of raffle works together and exhibit them for sale at a later date, as well as donate a portion of the proceeds from the sale to charity. Ticket holders will receive full refunds and a free piece of art each.
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by steve on Oct 6, 2008 12:13:57 GMT 1, free art giveaway....................
signed photo of stevie laz?
free art giveaway....................
signed photo of stevie laz?
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by Graffle on Oct 6, 2008 12:42:31 GMT 1, Strange that Graffle seemed to manage it without any probs
If you intend to run a lottery/Raffle which exceeds the total monetary value allowed by your local licensing authority then you have to apply to the National Gambling Commission for a lottery license regardless if its charitable 100% or less or not at all.
This involves a lot of money, police checks, personal checks and a considerable amount of time.... every one thinks you just get a load of tickets printed and off you go; it isnโt that easy, quick or cheap.
Strange that Graffle seemed to manage it without any probs If you intend to run a lottery/Raffle which exceeds the total monetary value allowed by your local licensing authority then you have to apply to the National Gambling Commission for a lottery license regardless if its charitable 100% or less or not at all. This involves a lot of money, police checks, personal checks and a considerable amount of time.... every one thinks you just get a load of tickets printed and off you go; it isnโt that easy, quick or cheap. |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by alsbabar on Oct 6, 2008 12:54:45 GMT 1, right on time alsbabar
graeme - there is a bigger picture here, and one that Graffle has explained nicely - so people can put away their conspiracy theory hats. And if i happen to be in a thread at the time someone posts, what issues do you have if i respond to it, immediately?
Yes I am pro Laz - so what? I respect and admire what he has done to the scene, he invites me to his shows, to drink free beer, meet interesting and nice people, all without the obligation of buying something!!!
right on time alsbabar graeme - there is a bigger picture here, and one that Graffle has explained nicely - so people can put away their conspiracy theory hats. And if i happen to be in a thread at the time someone posts, what issues do you have if i respond to it, immediately? Yes I am pro Laz - so what? I respect and admire what he has done to the scene, he invites me to his shows, to drink free beer, meet interesting and nice people, all without the obligation of buying something!!! |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by manchestermike on Oct 6, 2008 13:12:24 GMT 1, disagree mike, nothing to do with sales - it really was a gaming issue, and the fact that they were at the Outsider show in New York when this problem came up - meant they didnt have enough time to get the legal issues resolved. No doubt you will hear more from Laz about the rescheduled date shortly
A gaming issue that could be easily circumvented by making those who enter answer ONE multiple choice question
Doesn't need a whole lot of time to sort!
disagree mike, nothing to do with sales - it really was a gaming issue, and the fact that they were at the Outsider show in New York when this problem came up - meant they didnt have enough time to get the legal issues resolved. No doubt you will hear more from Laz about the rescheduled date shortly A gaming issue that could be easily circumvented by making those who enter answer ONE multiple choice question Doesn't need a whole lot of time to sort! |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by mcnuts on Oct 6, 2008 13:18:50 GMT 1, FLOP
FLOP
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by graeme501 on Oct 6, 2008 13:25:15 GMT 1, right on time alsbabar graeme - there is a bigger picture here, and one that Graffle has explained nicely - so people can put away their conspiracy theory hats. And if i happen to be in a thread at the time someone posts, what issues do you have if i respond to it, immediately? Yes I am pro Laz - so what? I respect and admire what he has done to the scene, he invites me to his shows, to drink free beer, meet interesting and nice people, all without the obligation of buying something!!!
calm your pants, was just having a joke
right on time alsbabar graeme - there is a bigger picture here, and one that Graffle has explained nicely - so people can put away their conspiracy theory hats. And if i happen to be in a thread at the time someone posts, what issues do you have if i respond to it, immediately? Yes I am pro Laz - so what? I respect and admire what he has done to the scene, he invites me to his shows, to drink free beer, meet interesting and nice people, all without the obligation of buying something!!! calm your pants, was just having a joke |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by alsbabar on Oct 6, 2008 13:26:41 GMT 1,
do you know for a fact that it FLOPPED?
do you know for a fact that it FLOPPED? |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by mcnuts on Oct 6, 2008 13:32:35 GMT 1, do you know for a fact that it FLOPPED?
FLIP FLOP
do you know for a fact that it FLOPPED? |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by Graffle on Oct 6, 2008 14:18:24 GMT 1,
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A gaming issue that could be easily circumvented by making those who enter answer ONE multiple choice question
Doesn't need a whole lot of time to sort![/quote]
Don't know if that would be legal as its still a raffle and a winner would be drawn at random. The whole process can take up to 3 months to go through and thats if personal and police checks are quick!!
My thought on it was that it would have been a "gambling commission" hold up rather than any thing else.
But who are we to know...and if we didn't buy a ticket why should we be told?
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A gaming issue that could be easily circumvented by making those who enter answer ONE multiple choice question
Doesn't need a whole lot of time to sort![/quote]
Don't know if that would be legal as its still a raffle and a winner would be drawn at random. The whole process can take up to 3 months to go through and thats if personal and police checks are quick!!
My thought on it was that it would have been a "gambling commission" hold up rather than any thing else.
But who are we to know...and if we didn't buy a ticket why should we be told?
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by manchestermike on Oct 6, 2008 14:22:19 GMT 1, Don't know if that would be legal as its still a raffle and a winner would be drawn at random. The whole process can take up to 3 months to go through and thats if personal and police checks are quick!! My thought on it was that it would have been a "gambling commission" hold up rather than any thing else. But who are we to know...and if we didn't buy a ticket why should we be told?
It'd qualify as a Prize Competition under the UK Gambling Act 2005.
Prize competitions and free draws are free of statutory regulatory control under the Gambling Act 2005 (the Act). Such competitions and draws can therefore be organised commercially for private benefit and profit. This contrasts with public lotteries which are the preserve of good causes, and must, unless they qualify in one of the โexemptโ categories, operate under a licence issued by the Gambling Commission (the Commission).
The Act contains provisions designed to make clear the distinction between lotteries and prize competitions and free draws. Although the Commission has no regulatory responsibilities in respect of competitions and draws, we are nonetheless expected to monitor the boundary between them and lotteries. We also have duties in respect of pursuing and prosecuting illegal gambling and will act where schemes are organised and promoted that, in our view, amount to unlicensed and therefore illegal public lotteries.
Reflecting all this, the Commission is publishing this paper which sets out our opinion of the implications of the provisions in the Act relating to lotteries, competitions and draws and in particular where the boundaries lie between the three. We do so in order that those organising competitions and draws have some guidance available on what the Commission considers is needed to avoid breaches of the Act.
In prize competitions, success depends, at least in part, on the exercise of skill, judgement or knowledge by the participants. This distinguishes them from lotteries, where either success depends wholly on chance or, in a complex lottery, the first stage relies wholly on chance. Section 14(5) of the Act addresses this distinction.
The intention of the Gambling Act Law is clear: competitions which genuinely rely on skill, judgement or knowledge are to be permitted to operate free of any regulatory control under the Act.
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To make doubly sure ask 3 multiple choice questions
Don't know if that would be legal as its still a raffle and a winner would be drawn at random. The whole process can take up to 3 months to go through and thats if personal and police checks are quick!! My thought on it was that it would have been a "gambling commission" hold up rather than any thing else. But who are we to know...and if we didn't buy a ticket why should we be told? It'd qualify as a Prize Competition under the UK Gambling Act 2005. Prize competitions and free draws are free of statutory regulatory control under the Gambling Act 2005 (the Act). Such competitions and draws can therefore be organised commercially for private benefit and profit. This contrasts with public lotteries which are the preserve of good causes, and must, unless they qualify in one of the โexemptโ categories, operate under a licence issued by the Gambling Commission (the Commission). The Act contains provisions designed to make clear the distinction between lotteries and prize competitions and free draws. Although the Commission has no regulatory responsibilities in respect of competitions and draws, we are nonetheless expected to monitor the boundary between them and lotteries. We also have duties in respect of pursuing and prosecuting illegal gambling and will act where schemes are organised and promoted that, in our view, amount to unlicensed and therefore illegal public lotteries. Reflecting all this, the Commission is publishing this paper which sets out our opinion of the implications of the provisions in the Act relating to lotteries, competitions and draws and in particular where the boundaries lie between the three. We do so in order that those organising competitions and draws have some guidance available on what the Commission considers is needed to avoid breaches of the Act. In prize competitions, success depends, at least in part, on the exercise of skill, judgement or knowledge by the participants. This distinguishes them from lotteries, where either success depends wholly on chance or, in a complex lottery, the first stage relies wholly on chance. Section 14(5) of the Act addresses this distinction. The intention of the Gambling Act Law is clear: competitions which genuinely rely on skill, judgement or knowledge are to be permitted to operate free of any regulatory control under the Act. ---------- To make doubly sure ask 3 multiple choice questions |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by skelly on Oct 6, 2008 16:47:31 GMT 1, Good deal for those who signed up...free piece of art
Good deal for those who signed up...free piece of art
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by bert on Oct 6, 2008 19:45:04 GMT 1, Dear Mr Lazarides,
If that beautiful Faile that was being raffled needs a home, I will happily volunteer a wall in my home.
Bestest regards,
Bert
Dear Mr Lazarides,
If that beautiful Faile that was being raffled needs a home, I will happily volunteer a wall in my home.
Bestest regards,
Bert
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by top on Oct 6, 2008 20:25:28 GMT 1, Unsurprising result imo..
Unsurprising result imo..
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by Sacked... on Oct 6, 2008 21:33:32 GMT 1, Wonder what the free art will be..?
Wonder what the free art will be..?
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by alsbabar on Oct 6, 2008 21:44:41 GMT 1, you will no doubt find out soon enough what is going to happen next - another pleasant surprise to all those who bought tickets
you will no doubt find out soon enough what is going to happen next - another pleasant surprise to all those who bought tickets
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by Francis on Oct 6, 2008 21:50:37 GMT 1, I heard it was because they misplaced a lot of the pieces in the raffle and are afraid to admit it
I heard it was because they misplaced a lot of the pieces in the raffle and are afraid to admit it
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by kingleopald on Oct 7, 2008 13:42:59 GMT 1, Raffles are so last month. Everyone knows tombolas is where it's at.
Raffles are so last month. Everyone knows tombolas is where it's at.
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by andrewd on Oct 7, 2008 17:52:16 GMT 1, I heard it was because they misplaced a lot of the pieces in the raffle and are afraid to admit it
Misplaced a lot of the pieces of the raffle! When was the last time any of you lot misplaced a valuable piece of art never mind a lottery's worth!
I'd happily rummage through their storeroom for a small commission/reward.
I heard it was because they misplaced a lot of the pieces in the raffle and are afraid to admit it Misplaced a lot of the pieces of the raffle! When was the last time any of you lot misplaced a valuable piece of art never mind a lottery's worth! I'd happily rummage through their storeroom for a small commission/reward. |
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Lazarides Cancels Raffle Extravaganza, by lalinea on Oct 8, 2008 3:07:00 GMT 1, Sounded to good to be true!
Sounded to good to be true!
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