[Wanchope]

This one is doing very well 22k and 7 days to go. Great piece and wish I could afford this but great to see his art remaining strong even in tougher times. 

onlineonly.christies.com/s/first-open-post-war-contemporary-art-online/pejac-b-1977-139/210619

[nobokov]

Mar 5, 2024 20:44:00 GMT 1 Wanchope said:

This one is doing very well 22k and 7 days to go. Great piece and wish I could afford this but great to see his art remaining strong even in tougher times. 

onlineonly.christies.com/s/first-open-post-war-contemporary-art-online/pejac-b-1977-139/210619

Do you know what the primary price for the painting was?

[Wanchope]

Nope not at all, just seems to be a great figure considering other styles but of this size have been primary £13-15k

[Javier]

Mar 5, 2024 20:44:00 GMT 1 Wanchope said:

This one is doing very well 22k and 7 days to go. Great piece and wish I could afford this but great to see his art remaining strong even in tougher times. 

onlineonly.christies.com/s/first-open-post-war-contemporary-art-online/pejac-b-1977-139/210619

Already 24k
It will be great to see how it ends…

[streetartger]

Mar 6, 2024 8:00:08 GMT 1 Javier said:

Mar 5, 2024 20:44:00 GMT 1 Wanchope said:

This one is doing very well 22k and 7 days to go. Great piece and wish I could afford this but great to see his art remaining strong even in tougher times. 

onlineonly.christies.com/s/first-open-post-war-contemporary-art-online/pejac-b-1977-139/210619

Already 24k
It will be great to see how it ends…

With Premium thats 38k€! Wow... Lucky me: I own one of the Drains from Berlin.

[Wanchope]

Do you remember the cost at the time?

[artlike]

Come on guys. People trying to sell their Pejac's have not been able to. Think critically - or conspiratorially (for those BBC/MSM readers and watchers)

[streetartger]

Mar 6, 2024 9:20:26 GMT 1 Wanchope said:

Do you remember the cost at the time?

They were 15,000€ plus VAT

[Wanchope]

That’s a cracker!!

[SomeoneNew]

Mar 6, 2024 10:50:40 GMT 1 artlike said:

Come on guys. People trying to sell their Pejac's have not been able to. Think critically - or conspiratorially (for those BBC/MSM readers and watchers)

I think it has to be image specific - the piece on sale with Christie’s is definitely one of the better pieces I’ve seen listed in the last year or so!

[artlike]

Mar 6, 2024 15:35:56 GMT 1 SomeoneNew said:

Mar 6, 2024 10:50:40 GMT 1 artlike said:

Come on guys. People trying to sell their Pejac's have not been able to. Think critically - or conspiratorially (for those BBC/MSM readers and watchers)

I think it has to be image specific - the piece on sale with Christie’s is definitely one of the better pieces I’ve seen listed in the last year or so!

OK, that must be it. 

[Matt 2 ttaM]

Mar 6, 2024 15:40:23 GMT 1 artlike said:

Mar 6, 2024 15:35:56 GMT 1 SomeoneNew said:

I think it has to be image specific - the piece on sale with Christie’s is definitely one of the better pieces I’ve seen listed in the last year or so!

OK, that must be it. 

I too, have noticed only some works getting the attention of bidders and a lot of other works are simply left alone. Starting to see his prints collapse in price quite rapidly. I am a fan of Pejac and own some prints but I wish to own one of his originals, but I am wary of the recent pricing on them.

[nobokov]

Unrelated to this thread, but you gotta love an unregulated art market where you can get pals to bid up your own consignments, then dupe others to buy at a higher primary floor after you tout recent auction sales.

[artlike]

Mar 7, 2024 1:41:46 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Unrelated to this thread, but you gotta love an unregulated art market where you can get pals to bid up your own consignments, then dupe others to buy at a higher primary floor after you tout recent auction sales.

Conspiracy!!!!! Censor him

[topper]

An orignal Pejac is sitting at 24k in a major auction house.

Doesn't seem outrageous, he's a hugely popular, internationally exhibiting artist.

Am i missing something?

[orchid]

There was a lot of market manipulation of pejac editions and originals in the earlier days by his management but happens elsewhere too.

[loui]

Mar 7, 2024 9:03:28 GMT 1 orchid said:

There was a lot of market manipulation of pejac editions and originals in the earlier days by his management but happens elsewhere too.

You gotta love the arts business
Artists and their managers.. interdependence instead of autonomy. 

[artlike]

Mar 7, 2024 8:32:56 GMT 1 loui said:

Mar 7, 2024 8:03:35 GMT 1 artlike said:

Conspiracy!!!!! Censor him

It cant be that hard to get the truth out in the open 🐇 do you feel attacked?

Where have you been in the last 3 years?? 

[Javier]

Nobody ended this thread. Fees included

[nobokov]

Mar 14, 2024 12:55:04 GMT 1 Javier said:

Nobody ended this thread. Fees included

Based on all the other mediocre results from that auction I just assume that there's a high probability of a manipulated result. Pejac is an art world nobody, and they expect us to believe that a real collector purchased this for 47,880 in a bad market? It's like when a kid edits his report card to show straight A pluses instead of something more realistic.

If this is real, since the buyer is likely a person who visits UAA, please post the painting on the "Your latest Art Purchase?" thread when you receive it.

[Wanchope]

Yep makes total sense, pejac doesn’t have any fans or a market and probably all of the NYC pieces between 20k and 80k that were sold were just false and manipulated too. Honestly what a load of rubbish you are spitting. Not everything in the art world is a conspiracy or suspicious.

[bsharp]

It was likely sold directly by Pejac or the management. It also got a lot of publicity directly from Pejac which not a lot of artists do.

It probably sold for that amount but I don’t think it would achieve this if it was actually being sold by an individual collector (privately or via auction).

[artlike]

Mar 14, 2024 19:11:17 GMT 1 Wanchope said:

Yep makes total sense, pejac doesn’t have any fans or a market and probably all of the NYC pieces between 20k and 80k that were sold were just false and manipulated too. Honestly what a load of rubbish you are spitting. Not everything in the art world is a conspiracy or suspicious.

I heard Kate Middleton bought it

[LJCal]

Mar 7, 2024 1:41:46 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Unrelated to this thread, but you gotta love an unregulated art market where you can get pals to bid up your own consignments, then dupe others to buy at a higher primary floor after you tout recent auction sales.

The market may be unregulated in the sense it doesn't have a regulatory body, but it is still regulated and becoming more so, KYC is now a statutory requirement for all professional sellers, dealing in works over €10k. What you're describing is fraud and there have been a number of sucessful prosecutions for shill bidding schemes, unfortunately it's been mainly feckless del boys on ebay, making a few extra grand. This goes on in the industry on a massive scale with certain artists, whilst the police and SFO do nothing. The auction houses (often making hundreds of thousands in fees) turn a blind eye to what is clearly very suspect bidding. 

[Fluffy Pillow]

Mar 14, 2024 18:28:23 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Mar 14, 2024 12:55:04 GMT 1 Javier said:

Nobody ended this thread. Fees included

Based on all the other mediocre results from that auction I just assume that there's a high probability of a manipulated result. Pejac is an art world nobody, and they expect us to believe that a real collector purchased this for 47,880 in a bad market? It's like when a kid edits his report card to show straight A pluses instead of something more realistic.

If this is real, since the buyer is likely a person who visits UAA, please post the painting on the "Your latest Art Purchase?" thread when you receive it.

Maybe you’re right but did this piece sell at an official auction for $60+k, yes or no?

[LJCal]

On the Pejac no idea if this was an arms length sale. It's a strong piece so entirely possible it's a genuine sale; saying that the market is week and I suspect he probably has lots more inventory left from New York show so equally possible it's been bid up.

[pilot]

i like pejac's art very much and i have several prints myself. i'm not a conspiracy theorist either. but i've now seen more and more pieces that i've never seen on the open market before or only in pejac's possession that went straight from spain to the auction house ('snow angel' at artsy, 'h2o color edition' at christie's and now 'drain'). all the pieces went for very high prices. it just seems very systematic.

[loui]

Mar 14, 2024 22:16:45 GMT 1 pilot said:

i like pejac's art very much and i have several prints myself. i'm not a conspiracy theorist either. but i've now seen more and more pieces that i've never seen on the open market before or only in pejac's possession that went straight from spain to the auction house ('snow angel' at artsy, 'h2o colour edition' at christie's and now 'drain'). all the pieces went for very high prices. it just seems very systematic.

Who’s the manager behind Pejac? Maybe I should ask, is there a manager behind him? 

[nobokov]

Mar 14, 2024 21:24:12 GMT 1 Fluffy Pillow said:

Mar 14, 2024 18:28:23 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Based on all the other mediocre results from that auction I just assume that there's a high probability of a manipulated result. Pejac is an art world nobody, and they expect us to believe that a real collector purchased this for 47,880 in a bad market? It's like when a kid edits his report card to show straight A pluses instead of something more realistic.

If this is real, since the buyer is likely a person who visits UAA, please post the painting on the "Your latest Art Purchase?" thread when you receive it.

Maybe you’re right but did this piece sell at an official auction for $60+k, yes or no?

no.

[nobokov]

Mar 14, 2024 22:25:35 GMT 1 loui said:

Mar 14, 2024 22:16:45 GMT 1 pilot said:

i like pejac's art very much and i have several prints myself. i'm not a conspiracy theorist either. but i've now seen more and more pieces that i've never seen on the open market before or only in pejac's possession that went straight from spain to the auction house ('snow angel' at artsy, 'h2o colour edition' at christie's and now 'drain'). all the pieces went for very high prices. it just seems very systematic.

Who’s the manager behind Pejac? Maybe I should ask, is there a manager behind him? 

Word on the street is that his name is Maximiliano Ruiz.