.dappy
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by .dappy on Feb 14, 2019 23:55:42 GMT 1, i might have missed a page or two in the middle of all this but do we know the work in question and the amount of money? still think its completely mental to think that either party (gallery or artsy) is not liable in some way for the security associated....or the hack no and no ... and no and no ...
i might have missed a page or two in the middle of all this but do we know the work in question and the amount of money? still think its completely mental to think that either party (gallery or artsy) is not liable in some way for the security associated....or the hack no and no ... and no and no ...
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tab1
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by tab1 on Feb 15, 2019 1:18:31 GMT 1, If any of you have some good platforms for me to complain about Artsy’s lack of responsibility/failure to contact us in a reasonable manner, I would love to hear it. People need to be warned about their customer service, explanation, etc. Can you believe they didn’t even try calling us back after such a loss? The public needs to know!! There is a police case and we have contacted the FBI. We are shattered.
Wonder what the FBI would make of this forum 😮😱
If any of you have some good platforms for me to complain about Artsy’s lack of responsibility/failure to contact us in a reasonable manner, I would love to hear it. People need to be warned about their customer service, explanation, etc. Can you believe they didn’t even try calling us back after such a loss? The public needs to know!! There is a police case and we have contacted the FBI. We are shattered. Wonder what the FBI would make of this forum 😮😱
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walfredo
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by walfredo on Feb 15, 2019 4:38:42 GMT 1, i might have missed a page or two in the middle of all this but do we know the work in question and the amount of money? still think its completely mental to think that either party (gallery or artsy) is not liable in some way for the security associated....or the hack no and no ... and no and no ... that reads like a good oddly head print or something.
i might have missed a page or two in the middle of all this but do we know the work in question and the amount of money? still think its completely mental to think that either party (gallery or artsy) is not liable in some way for the security associated....or the hack no and no ... and no and no ... that reads like a good oddly head print or something.
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kalm
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by kalm on Feb 15, 2019 4:42:24 GMT 1, I immediately closed my artsy account. Them not taking responsibility for people scamming their platform leaves me no other choice. Will never buy anything there again. Good luck with getting your dough back
I immediately closed my artsy account. Them not taking responsibility for people scamming their platform leaves me no other choice. Will never buy anything there again. Good luck with getting your dough back
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kalm
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by kalm on Feb 15, 2019 4:44:41 GMT 1, Go on Facebook Kaws, Pejac, Parra, Shang, Feldman, Welker ect...Groups and tear them a new one...Instagram and Twitter also. Fucking travesty they aren’t responsible for this. I’d be throwing bricks at them on principle.
Go on Facebook Kaws, Pejac, Parra, Shang, Feldman, Welker ect...Groups and tear them a new one...Instagram and Twitter also. Fucking travesty they aren’t responsible for this. I’d be throwing bricks at them on principle.
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kalm
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by kalm on Feb 15, 2019 4:46:35 GMT 1, Carter Cleveland owns Artsy, he started it at Princeton
Carter Cleveland owns Artsy, he started it at Princeton
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kalm
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by kalm on Feb 15, 2019 4:52:06 GMT 1, One more thing...take screen shots of every interaction with date and time stamp. EVERYTHING concerning this case. Even correspondence here, create a neat/concise timeline of events and give it all to your lawyer. There are apps that record phone conversations too...just state “I should really record this call” in the beginning.
One more thing...take screen shots of every interaction with date and time stamp. EVERYTHING concerning this case. Even correspondence here, create a neat/concise timeline of events and give it all to your lawyer. There are apps that record phone conversations too...just state “I should really record this call” in the beginning.
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sptembergurl on Feb 15, 2019 5:02:25 GMT 1, The gallery that was impersonated through Artsy was Graffik Gallery in London. I would prefer not to disclose the piece or amount stolen.
The gallery that was impersonated through Artsy was Graffik Gallery in London. I would prefer not to disclose the piece or amount stolen.
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coller
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by coller on Feb 15, 2019 5:37:53 GMT 1, There are apps that record phone conversations too...just state “I should really record this call” in the beginning. should make sure this is legal in your jurisdiction before doing so. you need to be in a one party consent jurisdiction.
for example, if you did this in Massachusetts, you would be committing a crime. turning over the relevant recording to the police would simply lead to you being arrested.
There are apps that record phone conversations too...just state “I should really record this call” in the beginning. should make sure this is legal in your jurisdiction before doing so. you need to be in a one party consent jurisdiction. for example, if you did this in Massachusetts, you would be committing a crime. turning over the relevant recording to the police would simply lead to you being arrested.
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 11:31:29 GMT 1, Still awaiting a response from Artsy. Perhaps they are too busy dealing with other fraud complaints and hacks to respond. Just a thought. Or perhaps they have been told not to by their lawyers. In court cases you don't exactly have off-the-record chats with the opposition.
Still awaiting a response from Artsy. Perhaps they are too busy dealing with other fraud complaints and hacks to respond. Just a thought. Or perhaps they have been told not to by their lawyers. In court cases you don't exactly have off-the-record chats with the opposition.
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 11:40:55 GMT 1, I immediately closed my artsy account. Them not taking responsibility for people scamming their platform leaves me no other choice. Will never buy anything there again. Good luck with getting your dough back In what way are they "not taking responsibility"?
I immediately closed my artsy account. Them not taking responsibility for people scamming their platform leaves me no other choice. Will never buy anything there again. Good luck with getting your dough back In what way are they "not taking responsibility"?
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 11:46:42 GMT 1, One more thing...take screen shots of every interaction with date and time stamp. EVERYTHING concerning this case. Even correspondence here, create a neat/concise timeline of events and give it all to your lawyer. There are apps that record phone conversations too...just state “I should really record this call” in the beginning. I would certainly NOT follow Kalm's advice.
I'm not sure where the buyer lives but here in the UK, it is illegal to record phone conversations unless you have the consent of the other party. Saying “I should really record this call” does not imply consent and could open you up to prosecution.
One more thing...take screen shots of every interaction with date and time stamp. EVERYTHING concerning this case. Even correspondence here, create a neat/concise timeline of events and give it all to your lawyer. There are apps that record phone conversations too...just state “I should really record this call” in the beginning. I would certainly NOT follow Kalm's advice. I'm not sure where the buyer lives but here in the UK, it is illegal to record phone conversations unless you have the consent of the other party. Saying “I should really record this call” does not imply consent and could open you up to prosecution.
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tab1
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by tab1 on Feb 15, 2019 12:09:04 GMT 1, Go on Facebook Kaws, Pejac, Parra, Shang, Feldman, Welker ect...Groups and tear them a new one...Instagram and Twitter also. f**kingtravesty they aren’t responsible for this. I’d be throwing bricks at them on principle.
Just copy this thread on all of the social media platforms available 😉😬
Go on Facebook Kaws, Pejac, Parra, Shang, Feldman, Welker ect...Groups and tear them a new one...Instagram and Twitter also. f**kingtravesty they aren’t responsible for this. I’d be throwing bricks at them on principle. Just copy this thread on all of the social media platforms available 😉😬
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by Daylight Robber on Feb 15, 2019 14:33:15 GMT 1, One more thing...take screen shots of every interaction with date and time stamp. EVERYTHING concerning this case. Even correspondence here, create a neat/concise timeline of events and give it all to your lawyer. There are apps that record phone conversations too...just state “I should really record this call” in the beginning. I would certainly NOT follow Kalm's advice. I'm not sure where the buyer lives but here in the UK, it is illegal to record phone conversations unless you have the consent of the other party. Saying “I should really record this call” does not imply consent and could open you up to prosecution.
Not entirely true. It's legal to record any conversation without consent provided the info is kept by you and not passed to a third party. You'd be perfectly within your rights to keep a recording as a reference for what was said and to make notes from.
One more thing...take screen shots of every interaction with date and time stamp. EVERYTHING concerning this case. Even correspondence here, create a neat/concise timeline of events and give it all to your lawyer. There are apps that record phone conversations too...just state “I should really record this call” in the beginning. I would certainly NOT follow Kalm's advice. I'm not sure where the buyer lives but here in the UK, it is illegal to record phone conversations unless you have the consent of the other party. Saying “I should really record this call” does not imply consent and could open you up to prosecution. Not entirely true. It's legal to record any conversation without consent provided the info is kept by you and not passed to a third party. You'd be perfectly within your rights to keep a recording as a reference for what was said and to make notes from.
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sfnyc
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sfnyc on Feb 15, 2019 16:07:36 GMT 1, For those talking about recordings being illegal... How do you justify CCTV? It is because the law can be bent when it is in the public interest. Here given the public response to this affair, it is in the public interest which would justify recordings, without the need to mention it.
For those talking about recordings being illegal... How do you justify CCTV? It is because the law can be bent when it is in the public interest. Here given the public response to this affair, it is in the public interest which would justify recordings, without the need to mention it.
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.dappy
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by .dappy on Feb 15, 2019 16:12:38 GMT 1, For those talking about recordings being illegal... How do you justify CCTV? It is because the law can be bent when it is in the public interest. Here given the public response to this affair, it is in the public interest which would justify recordings, without the need to mention it. ... anybody can film or photograph anybody in a public place ...
... at the entrances to buildings you will often see a sign: CCTV being recorded for safety and crime prevention purposes, or similar wording ...
For those talking about recordings being illegal... How do you justify CCTV? It is because the law can be bent when it is in the public interest. Here given the public response to this affair, it is in the public interest which would justify recordings, without the need to mention it. ... anybody can film or photograph anybody in a public place ... ... at the entrances to buildings you will often see a sign: CCTV being recorded for safety and crime prevention purposes, or similar wording ...
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 16:17:44 GMT 1, I would certainly NOT follow Kalm's advice. I'm not sure where the buyer lives but here in the UK, it is illegal to record phone conversations unless you have the consent of the other party. Saying “I should really record this call” does not imply consent and could open you up to prosecution. Not entirely true. It's legal to record any conversation without consent provided the info is kept by you and not passed to a third party. You'd be perfectly within your rights to keep a recording as a reference for what was said and to make notes from. But the important point here is that any such notes would not be permissible as evidence in any court proceedings.
I would certainly NOT follow Kalm's advice. I'm not sure where the buyer lives but here in the UK, it is illegal to record phone conversations unless you have the consent of the other party. Saying “I should really record this call” does not imply consent and could open you up to prosecution. Not entirely true. It's legal to record any conversation without consent provided the info is kept by you and not passed to a third party. You'd be perfectly within your rights to keep a recording as a reference for what was said and to make notes from. But the important point here is that any such notes would not be permissible as evidence in any court proceedings.
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sfnyc
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sfnyc on Feb 15, 2019 16:20:19 GMT 1, Dappy, yeah indoor CCTV is allowed without requesting permission because it serves the public interest... supposedly... But this împortant nuance is how many reporters are able to publish "illegal" recordings when it reveals affairs of public interest. From the Pentagon papers in the US under Nixon to the Bettencourt in France beeing secretely recorded by her domestic... different legal systems that each recognize the capacity to bend the law if it serves the public interest.
Dappy, yeah indoor CCTV is allowed without requesting permission because it serves the public interest... supposedly... But this împortant nuance is how many reporters are able to publish "illegal" recordings when it reveals affairs of public interest. From the Pentagon papers in the US under Nixon to the Bettencourt in France beeing secretely recorded by her domestic... different legal systems that each recognize the capacity to bend the law if it serves the public interest.
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 16:20:22 GMT 1, For those talking about recordings being illegal... How do you justify CCTV? It is because the law can be bent when it is in the public interest. Here given the public response to this affair, it is in the public interest which would justify recordings, without the need to mention it. CCTV is legitimate because everywhere there are signs saying "CCTV is in operation here". In other words you have the choice of entering and potentially being on CCTV - or staying away.
For those talking about recordings being illegal... How do you justify CCTV? It is because the law can be bent when it is in the public interest. Here given the public response to this affair, it is in the public interest which would justify recordings, without the need to mention it. CCTV is legitimate because everywhere there are signs saying "CCTV is in operation here". In other words you have the choice of entering and potentially being on CCTV - or staying away.
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coller
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by coller on Feb 15, 2019 16:24:13 GMT 1, many of the "all parties consent" jurisdictions hold that the act of interception is the crime, so the act of recording the phone call without the other party/parties' consent would be a crime regardless of it was shared with third parties. sharing it with third parties would just be dispersing evidence of said crime and increasing likelihood of arrest/prosecution.
and that is in the US; i am assuming the UK/EU has even stricter laws given EU privacy laws.
many of the "all parties consent" jurisdictions hold that the act of interception is the crime, so the act of recording the phone call without the other party/parties' consent would be a crime regardless of it was shared with third parties. sharing it with third parties would just be dispersing evidence of said crime and increasing likelihood of arrest/prosecution.
and that is in the US; i am assuming the UK/EU has even stricter laws given EU privacy laws.
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.dappy
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by .dappy on Feb 15, 2019 16:30:49 GMT 1, Dappy, yeah indoor CCTV is allowed without requesting permission because it serves the public interest... supposedly... But this împortant nuance is how many reporters are able to publish "illegal" recordings when it reveals affairs of public interest. From the Pentagon papers in the US under Nixon to the Bettencourt in France beeing secretely recorded by her domestic... different legal systems that each recognize the capacity to bend the law if it serves the public interest. ... if it was in a public place, then it would be legal, but they film in someone else's 'place' and the someone else's CCTV signage is for that 'place' and them ...
... yes there is a public interest defence ...
Dappy, yeah indoor CCTV is allowed without requesting permission because it serves the public interest... supposedly... But this împortant nuance is how many reporters are able to publish "illegal" recordings when it reveals affairs of public interest. From the Pentagon papers in the US under Nixon to the Bettencourt in France beeing secretely recorded by her domestic... different legal systems that each recognize the capacity to bend the law if it serves the public interest. ... if it was in a public place, then it would be legal, but they film in someone else's 'place' and the someone else's CCTV signage is for that 'place' and them ... ... yes there is a public interest defence ...
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sfnyc
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sfnyc on Feb 15, 2019 16:31:20 GMT 1, Gosh... so much inaccurate legal infos being thrown in here... in the US these laws are set by the state not federally, many US states allow for legal private recordings without notice to the other party, even if that other party is in a state where it is not legal.
Gosh... so much inaccurate legal infos being thrown in here... in the US these laws are set by the state not federally, many US states allow for legal private recordings without notice to the other party, even if that other party is in a state where it is not legal.
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by GMA on Feb 15, 2019 16:39:20 GMT 1, "Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA), it is not illegal for individuals to tape conversations provided the recording is for their own use.
Recording or monitoring is only prohibited where some of the contents of the communication are made available to a third party. If a person intends to make the conversation available, they must get the consent of the person being recorded."
I'd say record away if you want, to be fair there's far worse things going on that the police will deal with anyway and I don't even think the charge would be that bad if you played a recording in court without the persons consent. Just play it off your phone, really loud and quick, that way people can't unhear it Deal with the charge later, probably be a telling off, considering some people here in the UK end up with near to nothing in prison terms for killing someone in their car, I doubt much would be done for this. And considering the reasons why it was done in the first place, I'm sure it would turn out in your favour.
"Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA), it is not illegal for individuals to tape conversations provided the recording is for their own use. Recording or monitoring is only prohibited where some of the contents of the communication are made available to a third party. If a person intends to make the conversation available, they must get the consent of the person being recorded." I'd say record away if you want, to be fair there's far worse things going on that the police will deal with anyway and I don't even think the charge would be that bad if you played a recording in court without the persons consent. Just play it off your phone, really loud and quick, that way people can't unhear it Deal with the charge later, probably be a telling off, considering some people here in the UK end up with near to nothing in prison terms for killing someone in their car, I doubt much would be done for this. And considering the reasons why it was done in the first place, I'm sure it would turn out in your favour.
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k2
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by k2 on Feb 15, 2019 16:47:19 GMT 1, All this discussion seems fairly moot as the legality or otherwise would be dependent on the location of the original poster. As the original poster appears to be reluctant to provide any more information, which I suppose is fair enough, the sea of legal advice seems to be fairly pointless.
All this discussion seems fairly moot as the legality or otherwise would be dependent on the location of the original poster. As the original poster appears to be reluctant to provide any more information, which I suppose is fair enough, the sea of legal advice seems to be fairly pointless.
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sfnyc
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sfnyc on Feb 15, 2019 17:01:03 GMT 1, All this discussion seems fairly moot as the legality or otherwise would be dependent on the location of the original poster. As the original poster appears to be reluctant to provide any more information, which I suppose is fair enough, the sea of legal advice seems to be fairly pointless.
OP did mention something about going to the FBI, so they re in China
All this discussion seems fairly moot as the legality or otherwise would be dependent on the location of the original poster. As the original poster appears to be reluctant to provide any more information, which I suppose is fair enough, the sea of legal advice seems to be fairly pointless. OP did mention something about going to the FBI, so they re in China
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sptembergurl on Feb 15, 2019 17:02:52 GMT 1, All this discussion seems fairly moot as the legality or otherwise would be dependent on the location of the original poster. As the original poster appears to be reluctant to provide any more information, which I suppose is fair enough, the sea of legal advice seems to be fairly pointless. OP did mention something about going to the FBI, so they re in China
I’m in the United States.
All this discussion seems fairly moot as the legality or otherwise would be dependent on the location of the original poster. As the original poster appears to be reluctant to provide any more information, which I suppose is fair enough, the sea of legal advice seems to be fairly pointless. OP did mention something about going to the FBI, so they re in China I’m in the United States.
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maven
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by maven on Feb 15, 2019 17:06:31 GMT 1, Also a victim of fraud today. Credit card blocked. All ok thankfully...
Also a victim of fraud today. Credit card blocked. All ok thankfully...
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sptembergurl on Feb 15, 2019 20:48:25 GMT 1, Also a victim of fraud today. Credit card blocked. All ok thankfully...
I can’t help but be curious as to where the fraud originated. Glad you had a happy ending to your story.
Also a victim of fraud today. Credit card blocked. All ok thankfully... I can’t help but be curious as to where the fraud originated. Glad you had a happy ending to your story.
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Mirus Gallery
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by Mirus Gallery on Feb 15, 2019 21:33:48 GMT 1, Also a victim of fraud today. Credit card blocked. All ok thankfully... I can’t help but be curious as to where the fraud originated. Glad you had a happy ending to your story. Any updates on your case now that artsy has had a breach and disclosed this? Were you able to verify that your case of fraud was due to this new data breach as it seemed to happen before this breach? Also did you have any luck with the Gallery, I would request a log of their conversations from this inquiry. This would verify and clear many parts of your story up. The gallery should be able to log in and track your initial inquiry. Then they can tell you if it was ever replied to in their system. This makes a big difference on how the fraud could have happened as I have mentioned time and time in this thread.
Now that the Gallery name is public I would put some pressure on them to help you out.
Also a victim of fraud today. Credit card blocked. All ok thankfully... I can’t help but be curious as to where the fraud originated. Glad you had a happy ending to your story. Any updates on your case now that artsy has had a breach and disclosed this? Were you able to verify that your case of fraud was due to this new data breach as it seemed to happen before this breach? Also did you have any luck with the Gallery, I would request a log of their conversations from this inquiry. This would verify and clear many parts of your story up. The gallery should be able to log in and track your initial inquiry. Then they can tell you if it was ever replied to in their system. This makes a big difference on how the fraud could have happened as I have mentioned time and time in this thread. Now that the Gallery name is public I would put some pressure on them to help you out.
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Need Advice - Victim of Fraud Via Arsty, by sptembergurl on Feb 15, 2019 22:55:04 GMT 1, We’re still working through it. We are working on some open questions for the gallery also.
Artsy did FINALLY respond today saying that according to them, we were not part of the most recent Feb 11th breach however it’s still all very fishy since as I mentioned before, when my husband called the gallery in the first place trying to figure out what happened to the art (a week ago), the manager, who was the first to tell us he knew nothing about the transaction, disclosed that Artsy had recently notified him of some type of possible data breach and to change passwords as a precaution. That is why I still have red flags. There could have been more than 1 breach if this is true. Fun fun times.
We’re still working through it. We are working on some open questions for the gallery also.
Artsy did FINALLY respond today saying that according to them, we were not part of the most recent Feb 11th breach however it’s still all very fishy since as I mentioned before, when my husband called the gallery in the first place trying to figure out what happened to the art (a week ago), the manager, who was the first to tell us he knew nothing about the transaction, disclosed that Artsy had recently notified him of some type of possible data breach and to change passwords as a precaution. That is why I still have red flags. There could have been more than 1 breach if this is true. Fun fun times.
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