[dave4]

This post is not to debate which is better, it is to discuss something I have noticed and would like a better understand of. 
I have noticed that the prices of UK artist bring in much more money than those in the USA, with few exceptions. I have also noticed that most of the collectors seem to come from the UK that are on this board.  There also seems to be more urban/street art coming out of the UK, as evident on my walls, I have more UK artist then American. America haa some significant street artist, like Crash (John Matos), Daze, Kenny Scharf, Ron English, etc. that get little or no attention on this site, is it because they are from the USA?  Just something I noticed and wondering about.  

[tedtheodorelogan]

Why are British sausages always better than anything else abroad too?

[Poly Mindset]

Dec 19, 2017 0:04:41 GMT 1 dave4 said:

This post is not to debate which is better, it is to discuss something I have noticed and would like a better understand of. 
I have noticed that the prices of UK artist bring in much more money than those in the USA, with few exceptions. I have also noticed that most of the collectors seem to come from the UK that are on this board.  There also seems to be more urban/street art coming out of the UK, as evident on my walls, I have more UK artist then American. America haa some significant street artist, like Crash (John Matos), Daze, Kenny Scharf, Ron English, etc. that get little or no attention on this site, is it because they are from the USA?  Just something I noticed and wondering about.  

I think there are a few American urban artist who get pretty good coverage and prices on this forum ie: Fairey, Bast, Faile, Pose, Seen, Retna,  just to name a few. I think there is typically more urban art per sq. mile in Europe than there is in America because America is so spread out. There is more land between our urban centers or larger cities. In Europe there are many more countries closer together, different governments, different cultures and more social protests. There are more European collectors on this board I think because it goes hand in hand with what happens in Europe. To me it seems that there were more American collector/members on this forum in the past and that my friend is a multifaceted discussion I'm sure a few former forum members would love to have with Daniel Silk. 

[BKBOI]

You probably heard of Basquiat who released a print with Pace starting at 50K recently. Okay he is dead but I can give you another example of someone living.

I am pretty sure Kaws can command prices for his artwork on par with who you think goes for big money in the UK.

Shepard Fairey has those 50 dollar posters but he also has fine art pieces that go for big bucks.

But who am I kidding. The real reason why American street artists don't fetch for that much money is because we would rather have Mondo Star Wars posters on our walls than street art.

[J0NNY]

Dec 19, 2017 3:21:12 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

But who am I kidding. The real reason why American street artists don't fetch for that much money is because we would rather have Mondo Star Wars posters

This^
It's just different for different places at different times.

[J0NNY]

Dec 19, 2017 2:10:33 GMT 1 tedtheodorelogan said:

Why are British sausages always better than anything else abroad too?

I don't think I have ever heard a more valid question in my life

[dave4]

Dec 19, 2017 3:21:12 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

You probably heard of Basquiat who released a print with Pace starting at 50K recently. Okay he is dead but I can give you another example of someone living.

I am pretty sure Kaws can command prices for his artwork on par with who you think goes for big money in the UK.

Shepard Fairey has those 50 dollar posters but he also has fine art pieces that go for big bucks.

But who am I kidding. The real reason why American street artists don't fetch for that much money is because we would rather have Mondo Star Wars posters on our walls than street art.

Of course I know there is a representation of American artist here and some are very collectable, but the site overall is heavy handed with European Artist.

[dave4]

Dec 19, 2017 10:09:09 GMT 1 J0NNY said:

Dec 19, 2017 2:10:33 GMT 1 tedtheodorelogan said:

Why are British sausages always better than anything else abroad too?

I don't think I have ever heard a more valid question in my life

But America has the Hamburger!

[dave4]

Dec 19, 2017 2:55:02 GMT 1 Poly Mindset said:

Dec 19, 2017 0:04:41 GMT 1 dave4 said:

This post is not to debate which is better, it is to discuss something I have noticed and would like a better understand of. 
I have noticed that the prices of UK artist bring in much more money than those in the USA, with few exceptions. I have also noticed that most of the collectors seem to come from the UK that are on this board.  There also seems to be more urban/street art coming out of the UK, as evident on my walls, I have more UK artist then American. America haa some significant street artist, like Crash (John Matos), Daze, Kenny Scharf, Ron English, etc. that get little or no attention on this site, is it because they are from the USA?  Just something I noticed and wondering about.  

I think there are a few American urban artist who get pretty good coverage and prices on this forum ie: Fairey, Bast, Faile, Pose, Seen, Retna,  just to name a few. I think there is typically more urban art per sq. mile in Europe than there is in America because America is so spread out. There is more land between our urban centers or larger cities. In Europe there are many more countries closer together, different governments, different cultures and more social protests. There are more European collectors on this board I think because it goes hand in hand with what happens in Europe. To me it seems that there were more American collector/members on this forum in the past and that my friend is a multifaceted discussion I'm sure a few former forum members would love to have with Daniel Silk. 

Thank you for a well thought out intelligent answer.

[sfnyc]

Interesting subject, I feel like French and UK collectors are more open to suppprting emerging artists, whereas in the US people go after big names only.

[Pysgod]

The forums were much better when they were mostly UK only collections, The influx of Americans diluted and spoiled things

[South Bound]

Dec 19, 2017 2:10:33 GMT 1 tedtheodorelogan said:

Why are British sausages always better than anything else abroad too?

that is the craziest s**t I’ve ever heard. I have yet to have a sausage that can compare to those from the upper Midwest (Wisconsin, Minnesota,etc)... and I hate the Midwest, but the sausages are no joke. Go to a Green Bay Packers tailgate and you will be converted.

Now back to the art discussion.

[BKBOI]

because we have expressobeans forum to talk about art and flipping is much more acceptable over there.

[Poly Mindset]

Dec 19, 2017 14:46:25 GMT 1 Pysgod said:

The forums were much better when they were mostly UK only collections, The influx of Americans diluted and spoiled things

I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion and being an American this statement doesn't even really upset me too much because we get blamed for many things whether right or wrong. However, just because you say it, doesn't make it true. I would appreciate if you could elaborate on how the influx of Americans and their collections have diluted and spoiled things on this forum. I for one think while we are not perfect, for the most part we try to contribute to this forum in a half way intelligent manner. I personally have tried to put some thoughtful comments regarding art out on this forum as well as sell some nice pieces at very reasonable prices most of the time losing money which is OK as long as the art is being past on to collectors who truly appreciate the art for what it is. Additionally, there are American members here such as Christoffer Gaddini who have sparked very thoughtful and intelligent conversations about art, go back and read the Jasper Johns thread. Christoffer has also clued many members/collectors into great low cost deals on some nice pieces as well as put many pieces of his own collection on this forum before taking them to auction. There are many American members on this forum who contribute greatly to the discussion of art and who also keep the art market going whether buying or selling. If you want to hate Americans, that's fine, we are use to it. However, if you want to rag on us please back up your statements with some well thought out concise and logical verbiage. The reason you were given a brain and a mouth was so that you can formulate your thoughts and communicate them clearly thus impacting and possibly changing the views expressed by others. If you are just going to blurt out general statements such as the one you have chosen to produce here then I suggest you take a good long look in the mirror and realize that it is not the influx of Americans and their collections that have diluted and spoiled things on this forum but rather close minded individuals such as yourself who are diminishing this forum and the art world in general. Have a great day.

[moron]

I never viewed urban and street art in this way, comparing US to UK artists. To me the country or location makes no difference as to which artists art I prefer. After all a lot of these artists have made art in different countries. I like street artists who make art in their towns or regions to make some sort of point whether its political or just creative and a non serious point. regardin artists that I would buy if I had the money t make a collection would be the likes of Fekner, anything by him but I do like his text on walls and invaded pieces and his painted over canvases. Robbo, definately his ISellFridges is perfect in my book. Bast for his Pan Am and Mickey mouse etc past ups. Other stuff by people who to me make interesting art regardless of it not having any flip value.

I do see that EB forum does tend to have a lot of stuff that looks like movie poster fan art. Technically and graphically very professionally executed but not what is raw enough for me personally. If a gallery sends me an email and tells me to buy a print by the next rising star for an expensive price as an investment. I tell them to fuck off.

[moron]

Dec 19, 2017 2:10:33 GMT 1 tedtheodorelogan said:

Why are British sausages always better than anything else abroad too?

Because in UK, they add bread to the sausage meat. Abroad it's not allowed when selling sausages.

[Redbirds]

Dec 19, 2017 18:13:34 GMT 1 Poly Mindset said:

Dec 19, 2017 14:46:25 GMT 1 Pysgod said:

The forums were much better when they were mostly UK only collections, The influx of Americans diluted and spoiled things

I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion and being an American this statement doesn't even really upset me too much because we get blamed for many things whether right or wrong. However, just because you say it, doesn't make it true. I would appreciate if you could elaborate on how the influx of Americans and their collections have diluted and spoiled things on this forum. I for one think while we are not perfect, for the most part we try to contribute to this forum in a half way intelligent manner. I personally have tried to put some thoughtful comments regarding art out on this forum as well as sell some nice pieces at very reasonable prices most of the time losing money which is OK as long as the art is being past on to collectors who truly appreciate the art for what it is. Additionally, there are American members here such as Christoffer Gaddini who have sparked very thoughtful and intelligent conversations about art, go back and read the Jasper Johns thread. Christoffer has also clued many members/collectors into great low cost deals on some nice pieces as well as put many pieces of his own collection on this forum before taking them to auction. There are many American members on this forum who contribute greatly to the discussion of art and who also keep the art market going whether buying or selling. If you want to hate Americans, that's fine, we are use to it. However, if you want to rag on us please back up your statements with some well thought out concise and logical verbiage. The reason you were given a brain and a mouth was so that you can formulate your thoughts and communicate them clearly thus impacting and possibly changing the views expressed by others. If you are just going to blurt out general statements such as the one you have chosen to produce here then I suggest you take a good long look in the mirror and realize that it is not the influx of Americans and their collections that have diluted and spoiled things on this forum but rather close minded individuals such as yourself who are diminishing this forum and the art world in general. Have a great day.

amen poly -only a dumbass would make such a blanketed statement about an entire country of collectors -could be the syphlis making him talk nonsense

[Deleted]

Dec 19, 2017 18:13:34 GMT 1 Poly Mindset said:

Dec 19, 2017 14:46:25 GMT 1 Pysgod said:

The forums were much better when they were mostly UK only collections, The influx of Americans diluted and spoiled things

I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion and being an American this statement doesn't even really upset me too much because we get blamed for many things whether right or wrong. However, just because you say it, doesn't make it true. I would appreciate if you could elaborate on how the influx of Americans and their collections have diluted and spoiled things on this forum. I for one think while we are not perfect, for the most part we try to contribute to this forum in a half way intelligent manner. I personally have tried to put some thoughtful comments regarding art out on this forum as well as sell some nice pieces at very reasonable prices most of the time losing money which is OK as long as the art is being past on to collectors who truly appreciate the art for what it is. Additionally, there are American members here such as Christoffer Gaddini who have sparked very thoughtful and intelligent conversations about art, go back and read the Jasper Johns thread. Christoffer has also clued many members/collectors into great low cost deals on some nice pieces as well as put many pieces of his own collection on this forum before taking them to auction. There are many American members on this forum who contribute greatly to the discussion of art and who also keep the art market going whether buying or selling. If you want to hate Americans, that's fine, we are use to it. However, if you want to rag on us please back up your statements with some well thought out concise and logical verbiage. The reason you were given a brain and a mouth was so that you can formulate your thoughts and communicate them clearly thus impacting and possibly changing the views expressed by others. If you are just going to blurt out general statements such as the one you have chosen to produce here then I suggest you take a good long look in the mirror and realize that it is not the influx of Americans and their collections that have diluted and spoiled things on this forum but rather close minded individuals such as yourself who are diminishing this forum and the art world in general. Have a great day.

I think he was having a laugh - hence the emoji.

[BKBOI]

We have Trump as president so you'll have to excuse us.

[hui]

Dozens of studies exists, illustrating how citizens from various countries spend their monies. The UK spends the most aggregate amount on art, but per capita I'm unsure. That said, if it's the country which spends the most, I would imagine it would also be a country which produces a large amount of it. From a sociological perspective, I'm curious how government funding plays in to this.

[dave4]

Dec 19, 2017 20:16:12 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

We have Trump as president so you'll have to excuse us.

This is NOT my fault, I promise!

[dave4]

Dec 19, 2017 18:26:24 GMT 1 moron said:

I never viewed urban and street art in this way, comparing US to UK artists. To me the country or location makes no difference as to which artists art I prefer. After all a lot of these artists have made art in different countries. I like street artists who make art in their towns or regions to make some sort of point whether its political or just creative and a non serious point. regardin artists that I would buy if I had the money t make a collection would be the likes of Fekner, anything by him but I do like his text on walls and invaded pieces and his painted over canvases. Robbo, definately his ISellFridges is perfect in my book. Bast for his Pan Am and Mickey mouse etc past ups. Other stuff by people who to me make interesting art regardless of it not having any flip value.

I do see that EB forum does tend to have a lot of stuff that looks like movie poster fan art. Technically and graphically very professionally executed but not what is raw enough for me personally. If a gallery sends me an email and tells me to buy a print by the next rising star for an expensive price as an investment. I tell them to f**koff.

I have no less than 5 countries represented on my walls. So I do not collect based on a country or origin, but what I like. It just seems that a lot of the newer artist that I find come from the UK. I also see the site having a heavy UK presence. This was just an observation and got me wondering.

[nex]

Dec 20, 2017 0:08:22 GMT 1 dave4 said:

Dec 19, 2017 18:26:24 GMT 1 moron said:

I never viewed urban and street art in this way, comparing US to UK artists. To me the country or location makes no difference as to which artists art I prefer. After all a lot of these artists have made art in different countries. I like street artists who make art in their towns or regions to make some sort of point whether its political or just creative and a non serious point. regardin artists that I would buy if I had the money t make a collection would be the likes of Fekner, anything by him but I do like his text on walls and invaded pieces and his painted over canvases. Robbo, definately his ISellFridges is perfect in my book. Bast for his Pan Am and Mickey mouse etc past ups. Other stuff by people who to me make interesting art regardless of it not having any flip value.

I do see that EB forum does tend to have a lot of stuff that looks like movie poster fan art. Technically and graphically very professionally executed but not what is raw enough for me personally. If a gallery sends me an email and tells me to buy a print by the next rising star for an expensive price as an investment. I tell them to f**koff.

I have no less than 5 countries represented on my walls. So I do not collect based on a country or origin, but what I like. It just seems that a lot of the newer artist that I find come from the UK. I also see the site having a heavy UK presence. This was just an observation and got me wondering.

And that’s because this is the Banksy forum, set up in the UK about a UK artist, it’s hardly surprising that from those shoots a natural bias to the UK would occur ....