kfroms
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Donald Trump, by kfroms on Aug 4, 2019 21:35:25 GMT 1, Bad people do bad things always have always will.
What a lame statement. But then what do I care - all bad people seem to live in the US and I do not!
Bad people do bad things always have always will. What a lame statement. But then what do I care - all bad people seem to live in the US and I do not!
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Masong
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Donald Trump, by Masong on Aug 4, 2019 21:44:31 GMT 1, Bad people do bad things always have always will. What a lame statement. But then what do I care - all bad people seem to live in the US and I do not!
And you criticise other people for their “lame” statements 🙄
Bad people do bad things always have always will. What a lame statement. But then what do I care - all bad people seem to live in the US and I do not! And you criticise other people for their “lame” statements 🙄
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touchdowntodd
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Aug 4, 2019 21:48:30 GMT 1, Anyone can get a gun, in any country... One troubling thing for me is witnesses always see multiple shooters, but police always only find one.. and the timing of these things. But that's a whole conspiracy conversation I can't buy into in regards to agreeing or not The weapon isn't the problem.. it's deeper. These are acts planned for months. Guns will always be available, the source of the thought is all we can control That being said.. I'll refer back to America's lack of family vs other countries. Remember statistically how much higher a 1 parent home child is to commit murder in general, but it's staggeringly high in mass shootings.. in fact I can only think of 1 that had an parent home.. in this day of social media, everyone's desire to be "known" and "loved" and the constant of not having both parents, we can easily see the root cause.. and this goes for day to day violence as well as mass.. While technically correct that anyone can get a gun in any country, it’s prohibitively difficult to get an AR-15 in almost every developed country and even getting a semiautomatic pistol is much more challenging in many countries around the world. Looking at the stats, it’s a pretty major leap to correlate divorce rate with propensity to kill someone with a gun. Even more so the relationship between divorce rate (or even single parent household) with a mass shooting. If this was the case, you’d expect to see almost as many gun related deaths in Germany, the UK or even France, which all have similar (albeit slightly lower) divorce rates. Why is it so hard to draw a line from literally the ONLY major difference between the US and other developed countries, the number and easy access to guns, and the mass shootings? It’s like people want to point to video games, poverty, cold winters, hot summers, ANYTHING but the fact that it’s easy as hell to get an AK-47. I don’t understand it. EDIT: Assault rifles don’t have be always be available. The second amendment does have limits. I own multiple guns, and I’m not anti gun. That said, I would gladly give up my right to purchase an assault rifle if it meant that these mass killers couldn’t purchase them either.
If the Columbine shooters used.glocks, so would have everyone else. They're just chasing their example
The idea of thinking these same people wouldn't just kill people with a handgun is incredibly wrong.. and probably more effectively. No one likes that conversation, but even military moves to smaller weapons for close combat for a reason. That's why there's always many more shot than killed thankfully, an ar or ak is a lot to weild around and aim in close quarters
That being said.. I can't think of an example where the gun was bought day of.. most months or years earlier.
So are you proposing an end to assault rifles? And honestly thinking they wouldn't resort to handgun? And then ban handguns they'd move to Bombs or knives which have both been used prior
The end discussion is the reason for the desire to commit the act.. not the end weapon, that's an easily varied item if you're the perp..
And who's talking divorce rates? Lol look at modern America and the percentage of kids that never had both parents for a single day..
The family, the media here glorifying things, the hate that these kids feed each other daily through social media and school, etc is all making this happen
Anyone can get a gun, in any country... One troubling thing for me is witnesses always see multiple shooters, but police always only find one.. and the timing of these things. But that's a whole conspiracy conversation I can't buy into in regards to agreeing or not The weapon isn't the problem.. it's deeper. These are acts planned for months. Guns will always be available, the source of the thought is all we can control That being said.. I'll refer back to America's lack of family vs other countries. Remember statistically how much higher a 1 parent home child is to commit murder in general, but it's staggeringly high in mass shootings.. in fact I can only think of 1 that had an parent home.. in this day of social media, everyone's desire to be "known" and "loved" and the constant of not having both parents, we can easily see the root cause.. and this goes for day to day violence as well as mass.. While technically correct that anyone can get a gun in any country, it’s prohibitively difficult to get an AR-15 in almost every developed country and even getting a semiautomatic pistol is much more challenging in many countries around the world. Looking at the stats, it’s a pretty major leap to correlate divorce rate with propensity to kill someone with a gun. Even more so the relationship between divorce rate (or even single parent household) with a mass shooting. If this was the case, you’d expect to see almost as many gun related deaths in Germany, the UK or even France, which all have similar (albeit slightly lower) divorce rates. Why is it so hard to draw a line from literally the ONLY major difference between the US and other developed countries, the number and easy access to guns, and the mass shootings? It’s like people want to point to video games, poverty, cold winters, hot summers, ANYTHING but the fact that it’s easy as hell to get an AK-47. I don’t understand it. EDIT: Assault rifles don’t have be always be available. The second amendment does have limits. I own multiple guns, and I’m not anti gun. That said, I would gladly give up my right to purchase an assault rifle if it meant that these mass killers couldn’t purchase them either. If the Columbine shooters used.glocks, so would have everyone else. They're just chasing their example The idea of thinking these same people wouldn't just kill people with a handgun is incredibly wrong.. and probably more effectively. No one likes that conversation, but even military moves to smaller weapons for close combat for a reason. That's why there's always many more shot than killed thankfully, an ar or ak is a lot to weild around and aim in close quarters That being said.. I can't think of an example where the gun was bought day of.. most months or years earlier. So are you proposing an end to assault rifles? And honestly thinking they wouldn't resort to handgun? And then ban handguns they'd move to Bombs or knives which have both been used prior The end discussion is the reason for the desire to commit the act.. not the end weapon, that's an easily varied item if you're the perp.. And who's talking divorce rates? Lol look at modern America and the percentage of kids that never had both parents for a single day.. The family, the media here glorifying things, the hate that these kids feed each other daily through social media and school, etc is all making this happen
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.dappy
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Donald Trump, by .dappy on Aug 4, 2019 23:14:34 GMT 1, 'The family, the media here glorifying things, the hate that these kids feed each other daily through social media and school, etc is all making this happen.'
... the USA now up to 251 mass shootings this year alone ...
http://instagram.com/p/B0uvtPHgGQd
'The family, the media here glorifying things, the hate that these kids feed each other daily through social media and school, etc is all making this happen.' ... the USA now up to 251 mass shootings this year alone ... http://instagram.com/p/B0uvtPHgGQd
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Donald Trump, by Jaylove on Aug 4, 2019 23:14:51 GMT 1, Bad people do bad things always have always will. Agreed.. but for example not far from me Chicago.. much stricter gun laws that almost anywhere else in the US... Already 1500 people shot this year, over 300 killed this year.... But we're not discussing the daily violence at all.... Why is that? We're also not calling the murderers lone wolves or explaining away the murders with "mental illness". There's a deeper discussion that needs to be had but certain people refuse to have that discussion. Nothing will change until that discussion is had.
Bad people do bad things always have always will. Agreed.. but for example not far from me Chicago.. much stricter gun laws that almost anywhere else in the US... Already 1500 people shot this year, over 300 killed this year.... But we're not discussing the daily violence at all.... Why is that? We're also not calling the murderers lone wolves or explaining away the murders with "mental illness". There's a deeper discussion that needs to be had but certain people refuse to have that discussion. Nothing will change until that discussion is had.
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And it had to be a f**king Paddy!
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Masong
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Donald Trump, by Masong on Aug 4, 2019 23:31:35 GMT 1, And it had to be a f**king Paddy!
Are you sure it’s ok to use the term paddy these days,especially on such a left forum? Apologies if I’ve offended anyone by repeating it.
And it had to be a f**king Paddy! Are you sure it’s ok to use the term paddy these days,especially on such a left forum? Apologies if I’ve offended anyone by repeating it.
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Donald Trump, by irl1 on Aug 4, 2019 23:41:52 GMT 1, And it had to be a f**king Paddy! Are you sure it’s ok to use the term paddy these days,especially on such a left forum? Apologies if I’ve offended anyone by repeating it. Lets be honest here, Paddy is the least offensive name for us.
I've called a few of my comrades a lot worse
And it had to be a f**king Paddy! Are you sure it’s ok to use the term paddy these days,especially on such a left forum? Apologies if I’ve offended anyone by repeating it. Lets be honest here, Paddy is the least offensive name for us. I've called a few of my comrades a lot worse
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Donald Trump, by Pipes on Aug 4, 2019 23:51:13 GMT 1, Are you sure it’s ok to use the term paddy these days,especially on such a left forum? Apologies if I’ve offended anyone by repeating it. Lets be honest here, Paddy is the least offensive name for us. I've called a few of my comrades a lot worse I was gonna say - I think IRL is Irish - but thought I'd leave that to you
Are you sure it’s ok to use the term paddy these days,especially on such a left forum? Apologies if I’ve offended anyone by repeating it. Lets be honest here, Paddy is the least offensive name for us. I've called a few of my comrades a lot worse I was gonna say - I think IRL is Irish - but thought I'd leave that to you
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Donald Trump, by irl1 on Aug 5, 2019 0:00:56 GMT 1, Lets be honest here, Paddy is the least offensive name for us. I've called a few of my comrades a lot worse I was gonna say - I think IRL is Irish - but thought I'd leave that to you Welcome back hope you put some cream on that slap on the arse you got
Maybe the other two will be back soon, have to say they are missed
Lets be honest here, Paddy is the least offensive name for us. I've called a few of my comrades a lot worse I was gonna say - I think IRL is Irish - but thought I'd leave that to you Welcome back hope you put some cream on that slap on the arse you got Maybe the other two will be back soon, have to say they are missed
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 4:23:37 GMT 1, Any comments on the Ohio mass shooter being a far leftist? Or are we just sticking with the 'they are all white supremacists and orange man is bad' narrative?
Any comments on the Ohio mass shooter being a far leftist? Or are we just sticking with the 'they are all white supremacists and orange man is bad' narrative?
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Donald Trump, by WOOF on Aug 5, 2019 5:49:27 GMT 1, Any comments on the Ohio mass shooter being a far leftist? Or are we just sticking with the 'they are all white supremacists and orange man is bad' narrative?
Post an unbiased source that backs up that claim...
Any comments on the Ohio mass shooter being a far leftist? Or are we just sticking with the 'they are all white supremacists and orange man is bad' narrative? Post an unbiased source that backs up that claim...
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Donald Trump, by Masong on Aug 5, 2019 8:04:10 GMT 1, Any comments on the Ohio mass shooter being a far leftist? Or are we just sticking with the 'they are all white supremacists and orange man is bad' narrative? Post an unbiased source that backs up that claim... [br Looks like blanksky has got the chop
Any comments on the Ohio mass shooter being a far leftist? Or are we just sticking with the 'they are all white supremacists and orange man is bad' narrative? Post an unbiased source that backs up that claim... [br Looks like blanksky has got the chop
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Donald Trump, by WOOF on Aug 5, 2019 8:16:13 GMT 1, Post an unbiased source that backs up that claim... [br Looks like blanksky has got the chop Not sure I've never been less sad about anything tbh.
Post an unbiased source that backs up that claim... [br Looks like blanksky has got the chop Not sure I've never been less sad about anything tbh.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 8:44:56 GMT 1, I still find it staggering that people’s genuine response to these types of events is to call for more guns??? Blows my mind. You look at the response of the Australian government after Port Arthur and how many of these events now happen there. Agreed. Eliminate all assault weapons and their add-ons then begin the discussion. Let’s see how tough these bedroom mirror p*ssies are with just a rifle or pistol. I agree. Genuine question, how would you deal with all the ones currently in circulation? Have an amnesty for a certain period and then make it a criminal offence to own one or something along those lines? Can't think of how else you could go about that, I imagine there would be quite the reluctance from a lot of people to give them up. What a weird country.
I still find it staggering that people’s genuine response to these types of events is to call for more guns??? Blows my mind. You look at the response of the Australian government after Port Arthur and how many of these events now happen there. Agreed. Eliminate all assault weapons and their add-ons then begin the discussion. Let’s see how tough these bedroom mirror p*ssies are with just a rifle or pistol. I agree. Genuine question, how would you deal with all the ones currently in circulation? Have an amnesty for a certain period and then make it a criminal offence to own one or something along those lines? Can't think of how else you could go about that, I imagine there would be quite the reluctance from a lot of people to give them up. What a weird country.
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Donald Trump, by jettad on Aug 5, 2019 8:46:29 GMT 1, When people hear the (made up inaccurate terms) “weapons of war” and “assault rifles” but really don’t have any real knowledge of firearms they assume they’re something far more dangerous than an average pistol. The truth is, especially in close quarters, they’re not. Your average pistol, let’s say a Glock, is semi automatic which means it fires once per pull of the trigger and comes most commonly in two calibers 9mm and .40. Glocks also have magazines available that carry as many as 33 rounds, meaning they could possibly shoot 33 people as quickly as they could pull the trigger without even having to reload. An AR15 is also a semi automatic, one shot per pull of the trigger (it doesn’t fire faster than a pistol). The two main differences are it fires a .223 round and has better accuracy at a further distance. Neither of which are helpful for close quarters locations like all these attacks have been occurring. The .223 round is smaller than the 9mm or .40 from a pistol so actually causes less damage! The AR15 (or M16 as it was called before it was labeled a "sportsmans" rifle) is designed to cause maximum damage. It may have a smaller caliber, but the AR-15 round has more gunpowder, accelerating its velocity, which causes massive internal damage, as it is designed to do. Thus people who are shot with an AR15/M16 tend to bleed out/die of the wounds. A pistol round just doesn't cause as much internal damage. A round for the M16(AR15) is designed to stop a soldier in their tracks, to stop them inflicting damage to our own military. Remember, the AR15 is based on the M16, a military weapon. What is the difference with them? The M16 can fire more rounds per trigger pull than the AR15. That is about it.
You forget that people don't stand still or move closer to someone shooting at them, they tend to run, or hide behind things, and that is where the fire power of the AR15/.223 round comes into play. More gunpowder, higher velocity, better penetrating of walls, tables, doors. Things like the children at Sandy Hook (and other places) were hiding behind/under.
So yes, you can most likely fire the same amount of rounds with an AR15 as a pistol, but the accuracy, at distances more than 15-20 feet, plus the sheer massive damage from the AR15 round, makes the AR15 is a killing machine.
www.cbsnews.com/news/ar-15-used-mass-shootings-weapon-of-choice-60-minutes-2019-06-23/
Please tell me @nyart, are you sure your statement above is correct? Because after watching that report if I am ever shot, I pray that it is with a 9mm round. At least with that round I'd have a better chance of survival.
When people hear the (made up inaccurate terms) “weapons of war” and “assault rifles” but really don’t have any real knowledge of firearms they assume they’re something far more dangerous than an average pistol. The truth is, especially in close quarters, they’re not. Your average pistol, let’s say a Glock, is semi automatic which means it fires once per pull of the trigger and comes most commonly in two calibers 9mm and .40. Glocks also have magazines available that carry as many as 33 rounds, meaning they could possibly shoot 33 people as quickly as they could pull the trigger without even having to reload. An AR15 is also a semi automatic, one shot per pull of the trigger (it doesn’t fire faster than a pistol). The two main differences are it fires a .223 round and has better accuracy at a further distance. Neither of which are helpful for close quarters locations like all these attacks have been occurring. The .223 round is smaller than the 9mm or .40 from a pistol so actually causes less damage! The AR15 (or M16 as it was called before it was labeled a "sportsmans" rifle) is designed to cause maximum damage. It may have a smaller caliber, but the AR-15 round has more gunpowder, accelerating its velocity, which causes massive internal damage, as it is designed to do. Thus people who are shot with an AR15/M16 tend to bleed out/die of the wounds. A pistol round just doesn't cause as much internal damage. A round for the M16(AR15) is designed to stop a soldier in their tracks, to stop them inflicting damage to our own military. Remember, the AR15 is based on the M16, a military weapon. What is the difference with them? The M16 can fire more rounds per trigger pull than the AR15. That is about it. You forget that people don't stand still or move closer to someone shooting at them, they tend to run, or hide behind things, and that is where the fire power of the AR15/.223 round comes into play. More gunpowder, higher velocity, better penetrating of walls, tables, doors. Things like the children at Sandy Hook (and other places) were hiding behind/under. So yes, you can most likely fire the same amount of rounds with an AR15 as a pistol, but the accuracy, at distances more than 15-20 feet, plus the sheer massive damage from the AR15 round, makes the AR15 is a killing machine. www.cbsnews.com/news/ar-15-used-mass-shootings-weapon-of-choice-60-minutes-2019-06-23/Please tell me @nyart, are you sure your statement above is correct? Because after watching that report if I am ever shot, I pray that it is with a 9mm round. At least with that round I'd have a better chance of survival.
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Donald Trump, by NYart on Aug 5, 2019 9:59:11 GMT 1, When people hear the (made up inaccurate terms) “weapons of war” and “assault rifles” but really don’t have any real knowledge of firearms they assume they’re something far more dangerous than an average pistol. The truth is, especially in close quarters, they’re not. Your average pistol, let’s say a Glock, is semi automatic which means it fires once per pull of the trigger and comes most commonly in two calibers 9mm and .40. Glocks also have magazines available that carry as many as 33 rounds, meaning they could possibly shoot 33 people as quickly as they could pull the trigger without even having to reload. An AR15 is also a semi automatic, one shot per pull of the trigger (it doesn’t fire faster than a pistol). The two main differences are it fires a .223 round and has better accuracy at a further distance. Neither of which are helpful for close quarters locations like all these attacks have been occurring. The .223 round is smaller than the 9mm or .40 from a pistol so actually causes less damage! The AR15 (or M16 as it was called before it was labeled a "sportsmans" rifle) is designed to cause maximum damage. It may have a smaller caliber, but the AR-15 round has more gunpowder, accelerating its velocity, which causes massive internal damage, as it is designed to do. Thus people who are shot with an AR15/M16 tend to bleed out/die of the wounds. A pistol round just doesn't cause as much internal damage. A round for the M16(AR15) is designed to stop a soldier in their tracks, to stop them inflicting damage to our own military. Remember, the AR15 is based on the M16, a military weapon. What is the difference with them? The M16 can fire more rounds per trigger pull than the AR15. That is about it. You forget that people don't stand still or move closer to someone shooting at them, they tend to run, or hide behind things, and that is where the fire power of the AR15/.223 round comes into play. More gunpowder, higher velocity, better penetrating of walls, tables, doors. Things like the children at Sandy Hook (and other places) were hiding behind/under. So yes, you can most likely fire the same amount of rounds with an AR15 as a pistol, but the accuracy, at distances more than 15-20 feet, plus the sheer massive damage from the AR15 round, makes the AR15 is a killing machine. www.cbsnews.com/news/ar-15-used-mass-shootings-weapon-of-choice-60-minutes-2019-06-23/Please tell me @nyart, are you sure your statement above is correct? Because after watching that report if I am ever shot, I pray that it is with a 9mm round. At least with that round I'd have a better chance of survival.
You do realize that most rifles have higher velocity than pistols right? It’s because rifles are long range weapons and that higher velocity is needed to propel the bullet with accuracy hundreds of yards? It’s not packed full of gun powder to “cause massive damage”. On a side note one round of 9mm has twice the powder as a .223 round, which is necessary because the round is much larger and heavier. Singling out one rifle with facts that apply to nearly every single other one doesn’t make a great argument that one is inherently more deadly than another.
Another significant difference betwwwn AR15 and M16 that’s interesting they left out considering discussing caliber is that the M16 does even fire the same round. M16 uses the 5.56 round and the cartridge is designed to increase the pressure behind the bullet. If you tried firing that round through a .223 AR15 barrel you could quite literally blow it up. Vice versa you’d be fine however. So not a huge difference but a significant one and a telling one that they omitted from the article. Shows the cherry picking of information to try to prove their point. Doesn’t help their cause of blaming one single weapon when they point out all rifles have higher power and velocity versus pistols and that an M16 does indeed have more power than an AR15.
If you want to have your beliefs validated by all means the news is a great place for that. But otherwise get all the information and make your own conclusions. At the end of the day for the purposes of hurting as many people as possible any semi auto will do a lot of damage. Might as-well just ban them all if you think that’d help, thinking removing one weapon from a sick individuals Arsenal is going to make a significant difference is a joke.
When people hear the (made up inaccurate terms) “weapons of war” and “assault rifles” but really don’t have any real knowledge of firearms they assume they’re something far more dangerous than an average pistol. The truth is, especially in close quarters, they’re not. Your average pistol, let’s say a Glock, is semi automatic which means it fires once per pull of the trigger and comes most commonly in two calibers 9mm and .40. Glocks also have magazines available that carry as many as 33 rounds, meaning they could possibly shoot 33 people as quickly as they could pull the trigger without even having to reload. An AR15 is also a semi automatic, one shot per pull of the trigger (it doesn’t fire faster than a pistol). The two main differences are it fires a .223 round and has better accuracy at a further distance. Neither of which are helpful for close quarters locations like all these attacks have been occurring. The .223 round is smaller than the 9mm or .40 from a pistol so actually causes less damage! The AR15 (or M16 as it was called before it was labeled a "sportsmans" rifle) is designed to cause maximum damage. It may have a smaller caliber, but the AR-15 round has more gunpowder, accelerating its velocity, which causes massive internal damage, as it is designed to do. Thus people who are shot with an AR15/M16 tend to bleed out/die of the wounds. A pistol round just doesn't cause as much internal damage. A round for the M16(AR15) is designed to stop a soldier in their tracks, to stop them inflicting damage to our own military. Remember, the AR15 is based on the M16, a military weapon. What is the difference with them? The M16 can fire more rounds per trigger pull than the AR15. That is about it. You forget that people don't stand still or move closer to someone shooting at them, they tend to run, or hide behind things, and that is where the fire power of the AR15/.223 round comes into play. More gunpowder, higher velocity, better penetrating of walls, tables, doors. Things like the children at Sandy Hook (and other places) were hiding behind/under. So yes, you can most likely fire the same amount of rounds with an AR15 as a pistol, but the accuracy, at distances more than 15-20 feet, plus the sheer massive damage from the AR15 round, makes the AR15 is a killing machine. www.cbsnews.com/news/ar-15-used-mass-shootings-weapon-of-choice-60-minutes-2019-06-23/Please tell me @nyart, are you sure your statement above is correct? Because after watching that report if I am ever shot, I pray that it is with a 9mm round. At least with that round I'd have a better chance of survival. You do realize that most rifles have higher velocity than pistols right? It’s because rifles are long range weapons and that higher velocity is needed to propel the bullet with accuracy hundreds of yards? It’s not packed full of gun powder to “cause massive damage”. On a side note one round of 9mm has twice the powder as a .223 round, which is necessary because the round is much larger and heavier. Singling out one rifle with facts that apply to nearly every single other one doesn’t make a great argument that one is inherently more deadly than another. Another significant difference betwwwn AR15 and M16 that’s interesting they left out considering discussing caliber is that the M16 does even fire the same round. M16 uses the 5.56 round and the cartridge is designed to increase the pressure behind the bullet. If you tried firing that round through a .223 AR15 barrel you could quite literally blow it up. Vice versa you’d be fine however. So not a huge difference but a significant one and a telling one that they omitted from the article. Shows the cherry picking of information to try to prove their point. Doesn’t help their cause of blaming one single weapon when they point out all rifles have higher power and velocity versus pistols and that an M16 does indeed have more power than an AR15. If you want to have your beliefs validated by all means the news is a great place for that. But otherwise get all the information and make your own conclusions. At the end of the day for the purposes of hurting as many people as possible any semi auto will do a lot of damage. Might as-well just ban them all if you think that’d help, thinking removing one weapon from a sick individuals Arsenal is going to make a significant difference is a joke.
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Donald Trump, by nex on Aug 5, 2019 10:09:59 GMT 1, So in conclusion banning assault rifles will not solve the underlying illness in society, it will at least help to stop so many ppl being killed on each occasion 🤷🏻♂️
So in conclusion banning assault rifles will not solve the underlying illness in society, it will at least help to stop so many ppl being killed on each occasion 🤷🏻♂️
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Aug 5, 2019 10:20:57 GMT 1, So in conclusion banning assault rifles will not solve the underlying illness in society, it will at least help to stop so many ppl being killed on each occasion 🤷🏻♂️ Its not that they dont know it, they just dont want to hear it.
Guns to fight corrupt governments that threaten the people of the united states, trump still there though as the kids fall like dominoes, and no civilian carrys ever seem to get involved. Although if you beleive some, it was a civilian that stopped the ohio shooter, they didnt, it was the cops. Just more lies to protect guns at the risk of lives.
So in conclusion banning assault rifles will not solve the underlying illness in society, it will at least help to stop so many ppl being killed on each occasion 🤷🏻♂️ Its not that they dont know it, they just dont want to hear it. Guns to fight corrupt governments that threaten the people of the united states, trump still there though as the kids fall like dominoes, and no civilian carrys ever seem to get involved. Although if you beleive some, it was a civilian that stopped the ohio shooter, they didnt, it was the cops. Just more lies to protect guns at the risk of lives.
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Aug 5, 2019 10:22:17 GMT 1, [br Looks like blanksky has got the chop Not sure I've never been less sad about anything tbh. Blankskythinking has left the building! Happy days!
[br Looks like blanksky has got the chop Not sure I've never been less sad about anything tbh. Blankskythinking has left the building! Happy days!
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Donald Trump, by chickenlittle on Aug 5, 2019 10:29:54 GMT 1, Agreed.. but for example not far from me Chicago.. much stricter gun laws that almost anywhere else in the US... Already 1500 people shot this year, over 300 killed this year.... But we're not discussing the daily violence at all.... Why is that? We're also not calling the murderers lone wolves or explaining away the murders with "mental illness". There's a deeper discussion that needs to be had but certain people refuse to have that discussion. Nothing will change until that discussion is had.
Ahh, the heathen, violent liberal enclave of ChIraq.
Yes, there are many issues involved.You can drive an hour or so outside if Chicago and buy guns very easily. Say in Indiana for example.
We can always discuss things, but to say it’s not worth any effort because some bad things will always happen is kind of a dumb / lazy excuse (imo). Especially if that is your excuse for no or little action of any kind.
Quick question. What are the murders rates in New York City? A bigger city that Chicago that also has tough gun laws as well, don’t they?
Agreed.. but for example not far from me Chicago.. much stricter gun laws that almost anywhere else in the US... Already 1500 people shot this year, over 300 killed this year.... But we're not discussing the daily violence at all.... Why is that? We're also not calling the murderers lone wolves or explaining away the murders with "mental illness". There's a deeper discussion that needs to be had but certain people refuse to have that discussion. Nothing will change until that discussion is had. Ahh, the heathen, violent liberal enclave of ChIraq. Yes, there are many issues involved.You can drive an hour or so outside if Chicago and buy guns very easily. Say in Indiana for example. We can always discuss things, but to say it’s not worth any effort because some bad things will always happen is kind of a dumb / lazy excuse (imo). Especially if that is your excuse for no or little action of any kind. Quick question. What are the murders rates in New York City? A bigger city that Chicago that also has tough gun laws as well, don’t they?
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Donald Trump, by kuni on Aug 5, 2019 10:32:31 GMT 1, So in conclusion banning assault rifles will not solve the underlying illness in society, it will at least help to stop so many ppl being killed on each occasion 🤷🏻♂️ Its not that they dont know it, they just dont want to hear it. Guns to fight corrupt governments that threaten the people of the united states, trump still there though as the kids fall like dominoes, and no civilian carrys ever seem to get involved. Although if you beleive some, it was a civilian that stopped the ohio shooter, they didnt, it was the cops. Just more lies to protect guns at the risk of lives. There is a zero percent chance that there wasn’t a “good guy with a gun” in that crowded Walmart in Texas. Thar argument, that we just need more guns, is total rubbish. That’s just what we need, the most hectic situation imaginable and the cops trying to figure out who the good guys are in the middle of a Walmart gun battle. Yeah okay...
So in conclusion banning assault rifles will not solve the underlying illness in society, it will at least help to stop so many ppl being killed on each occasion 🤷🏻♂️ Its not that they dont know it, they just dont want to hear it. Guns to fight corrupt governments that threaten the people of the united states, trump still there though as the kids fall like dominoes, and no civilian carrys ever seem to get involved. Although if you beleive some, it was a civilian that stopped the ohio shooter, they didnt, it was the cops. Just more lies to protect guns at the risk of lives. There is a zero percent chance that there wasn’t a “good guy with a gun” in that crowded Walmart in Texas. Thar argument, that we just need more guns, is total rubbish. That’s just what we need, the most hectic situation imaginable and the cops trying to figure out who the good guys are in the middle of a Walmart gun battle. Yeah okay...
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Donald Trump, by rebate on Aug 5, 2019 10:51:19 GMT 1, Its not that they dont know it, they just dont want to hear it. Guns to fight corrupt governments that threaten the people of the united states, trump still there though as the kids fall like dominoes, and no civilian carrys ever seem to get involved. Although if you beleive some, it was a civilian that stopped the ohio shooter, they didnt, it was the cops. Just more lies to protect guns at the risk of lives. There is a zero percent chance that there wasn’t a “good guy with a gun” in that crowded Walmart in Texas. Thar argument, that we just need more guns, is total rubbish. That’s just what we need, the most hectic situation imaginable and the cops trying to figure out who the good guys are in the middle of a Walmart gun battle. Yeah okay... Exactly, different shooting at a target on a range or an animal that doesnt shoot back. Different game to place yourself in the line of fire to take down a madman ripping lead around the place though.
Its not that they dont know it, they just dont want to hear it. Guns to fight corrupt governments that threaten the people of the united states, trump still there though as the kids fall like dominoes, and no civilian carrys ever seem to get involved. Although if you beleive some, it was a civilian that stopped the ohio shooter, they didnt, it was the cops. Just more lies to protect guns at the risk of lives. There is a zero percent chance that there wasn’t a “good guy with a gun” in that crowded Walmart in Texas. Thar argument, that we just need more guns, is total rubbish. That’s just what we need, the most hectic situation imaginable and the cops trying to figure out who the good guys are in the middle of a Walmart gun battle. Yeah okay... Exactly, different shooting at a target on a range or an animal that doesnt shoot back. Different game to place yourself in the line of fire to take down a madman ripping lead around the place though.
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Donald Trump, by Hairbland on Aug 5, 2019 10:59:18 GMT 1, Agreed. Eliminate all assault weapons and their add-ons then begin the discussion. Let’s see how tough these bedroom mirror p*ssies are with just a rifle or pistol. I agree. Genuine question, how would you deal with all the ones currently in circulation? Have an amnesty for a certain period and then make it a criminal offence to own one or something along those lines? Can't think of how else you could go about that, I imagine there would be quite the reluctance from a lot of people to give them up. What a weird country. Yes, amnesty then a criminal offense. Real laws. Pendulum needs to swing heavily to other side.
Agreed. Eliminate all assault weapons and their add-ons then begin the discussion. Let’s see how tough these bedroom mirror p*ssies are with just a rifle or pistol. I agree. Genuine question, how would you deal with all the ones currently in circulation? Have an amnesty for a certain period and then make it a criminal offence to own one or something along those lines? Can't think of how else you could go about that, I imagine there would be quite the reluctance from a lot of people to give them up. What a weird country. Yes, amnesty then a criminal offense. Real laws. Pendulum needs to swing heavily to other side.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 11:29:22 GMT 1, I agree. Genuine question, how would you deal with all the ones currently in circulation? Have an amnesty for a certain period and then make it a criminal offence to own one or something along those lines? Can't think of how else you could go about that, I imagine there would be quite the reluctance from a lot of people to give them up. What a weird country. Yes, amnesty then a criminal offense. Real laws. Pendulum needs to swing heavily to other side. Yea I think that's the only approach that makes sense but will take a very long time. There are more guns in circulation in US than there are people. It's completely mad.
I agree. Genuine question, how would you deal with all the ones currently in circulation? Have an amnesty for a certain period and then make it a criminal offence to own one or something along those lines? Can't think of how else you could go about that, I imagine there would be quite the reluctance from a lot of people to give them up. What a weird country. Yes, amnesty then a criminal offense. Real laws. Pendulum needs to swing heavily to other side. Yea I think that's the only approach that makes sense but will take a very long time. There are more guns in circulation in US than there are people. It's completely mad.
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Donald Trump, by kuni on Aug 5, 2019 12:14:13 GMT 1, Yes, amnesty then a criminal offense. Real laws. Pendulum needs to swing heavily to other side. Yea I think that's the only approach that makes sense but will take a very long time. There are more guns in circulation in US than there are people. It's completely mad. Hey now! It’s actually 80 guns for every hundred people. Don’t go getting all hyperbolic on us.
Yes, amnesty then a criminal offense. Real laws. Pendulum needs to swing heavily to other side. Yea I think that's the only approach that makes sense but will take a very long time. There are more guns in circulation in US than there are people. It's completely mad. Hey now! It’s actually 80 guns for every hundred people. Don’t go getting all hyperbolic on us.
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Donald Trump, by Chris JL on Aug 5, 2019 12:21:29 GMT 1, I agree. Genuine question, how would you deal with all the ones currently in circulation? Have an amnesty for a certain period and then make it a criminal offence to own one or something along those lines? Can't think of how else you could go about that, I imagine there would be quite the reluctance from a lot of people to give them up. What a weird country. Yes, amnesty then a criminal offense. Real laws. Pendulum needs to swing heavily to other side.
Buyback programs also work. Not really cheap for the US given the firearms stock, but only a small fraction of the total costs generated by guns there.
I agree. Genuine question, how would you deal with all the ones currently in circulation? Have an amnesty for a certain period and then make it a criminal offence to own one or something along those lines? Can't think of how else you could go about that, I imagine there would be quite the reluctance from a lot of people to give them up. What a weird country. Yes, amnesty then a criminal offense. Real laws. Pendulum needs to swing heavily to other side. Buyback programs also work. Not really cheap for the US given the firearms stock, but only a small fraction of the total costs generated by guns there.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 13:04:45 GMT 1, Yes, amnesty then a criminal offense. Real laws. Pendulum needs to swing heavily to other side. Buyback programs also work. Not really cheap for the US given the firearms stock, but only a small fraction of the total costs generated by guns there. Good point. If they did it just for automatic weapons it would at least be a start.
Yes, amnesty then a criminal offense. Real laws. Pendulum needs to swing heavily to other side. Buyback programs also work. Not really cheap for the US given the firearms stock, but only a small fraction of the total costs generated by guns there. Good point. If they did it just for automatic weapons it would at least be a start.
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