Black Apple Art
Art Gallery
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,007
Likes โข 3,970
September 2013
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by Black Apple Art on Sept 25, 2015 21:48:07 GMT 1, I am not new to the scene, and I just wanted to give some advice based upon my experience of getting into street/urban art and eventually buying art by street/urban genre artists. For those new to this genre and forum, it can be a very exciting place to come across and equally perplexing trying decide your own tastes. Trying to determine what is critically applauded, which artists are given prominence due their history in the scene etc... can be a time consuming process. When I started to collect I was in the main driven by a fear of missing out and also by following a lot of hype from various sources which may or may not have been founded. Eventually I was able to determine what I liked aesthetically and also what techniques, principles and morals I liked to see not only in the art, but the artists and also the galleries I bought from. My advice to new collectors on the scene would be: 1) Don't believe the hype 2) Be patient - there is always something better around the corner 3) Save your money for the one big ticket item you will treasure and pass down to your kids, rather than buying 10 prints by the hyped 'artist of the month' who has no real commitment to long dedicated career in art. 4) Do your research - that means not just relying on info posted on this forum - agendas are not always clear. 5) And the old mantra of "buying what you like" is definitely something that can't be stressed enough. 6) Art is an addiction - like all addictions it is not harmless - think about what you are sacrificing for your hobby and keep it in check - don't borrow money to pay for art for example. Anyway please feel free to disagree, ignore or add to what I have said...  Agree mostly but I wouldn't red line borrowing to purchase a piece as always the wrong thing to do. Some of my best investments have been pieces I couldn't quite afford at the time and had to borrow to secure them. Definitely a case by case issue. Oh and welcome to the forum.
I am not new to the scene, and I just wanted to give some advice based upon my experience of getting into street/urban art and eventually buying art by street/urban genre artists. For those new to this genre and forum, it can be a very exciting place to come across and equally perplexing trying decide your own tastes. Trying to determine what is critically applauded, which artists are given prominence due their history in the scene etc... can be a time consuming process. When I started to collect I was in the main driven by a fear of missing out and also by following a lot of hype from various sources which may or may not have been founded. Eventually I was able to determine what I liked aesthetically and also what techniques, principles and morals I liked to see not only in the art, but the artists and also the galleries I bought from. My advice to new collectors on the scene would be: 1) Don't believe the hype 2) Be patient - there is always something better around the corner 3) Save your money for the one big ticket item you will treasure and pass down to your kids, rather than buying 10 prints by the hyped 'artist of the month' who has no real commitment to long dedicated career in art. 4) Do your research - that means not just relying on info posted on this forum - agendas are not always clear. 5) And the old mantra of "buying what you like" is definitely something that can't be stressed enough. 6) Art is an addiction - like all addictions it is not harmless - think about what you are sacrificing for your hobby and keep it in check - don't borrow money to pay for art for example. Anyway please feel free to disagree, ignore or add to what I have said... One hell of a first post and intro Agree mostly but I wouldn't red line borrowing to purchase a piece as always the wrong thing to do. Some of my best investments have been pieces I couldn't quite afford at the time and had to borrow to secure them. Definitely a case by case issue. Oh and welcome to the forum. |
|
rosac
Junior Member
Posts โข 1,894
Likes โข 1,538
July 2015
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by rosac on Sept 25, 2015 21:53:02 GMT 1, Does anyone have the number for Art collectors Anonymous, I think I might have a problem...
Does anyone have the number for Art collectors Anonymous, I think I might have a problem...
|
|
Dungle
Junior Member
Posts โข 3,994
Likes โข 5,127
June 2011
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by Dungle on Sept 25, 2015 22:08:03 GMT 1, I am not new to the scene, and I just wanted to give some advice based upon my experience of getting into street/urban art and eventually buying art by street/urban genre artists. For those new to this genre and forum, it can be a very exciting place to come across and equally perplexing trying decide your own tastes. Trying to determine what is critically applauded, which artists are given prominence due their history in the scene etc... can be a time consuming process. When I started to collect I was in the main driven by a fear of missing out and also by following a lot of hype from various sources which may or may not have been founded. Eventually I was able to determine what I liked aesthetically and also what techniques, principles and morals I liked to see not only in the art, but the artists and also the galleries I bought from. My advice to new collectors on the scene would be: 1) Don't believe the hype 2) Be patient - there is always something better around the cornerย 3) Save your money for the one big ticket item you will treasure and pass down to your kids, rather than buying 10 prints by the hyped 'artist of the month' who has no real commitment to long dedicated career in art. 4) Do your research - that means not just relying on info posted on this forum - agendas are not always clear. 5) And the old mantra of "buying what you like" is definitely something that can't be stressed enough. 6) Art is an addiction - like all addictions it is not harmless - think about what you are sacrificing for your hobby and keep it in check - don't borrow money to pay for art for example. Anyway please feel free to disagree, ignore or add to what I have said... ย One hell of a first post and intro ย Agree mostly but I wouldn't red line borrowing to purchase a piece as always the wrong thing to do. Some of my best investments have been pieces I couldn't quite afford at the time and had to borrow to secure them. Definitely a case by case issue. Oh and welcome to the forum. ย
Absolutely agree Black Apple. I also find that but borrowing and buying one expensive piece it stops my constant buying of smaller pieces that I don't really want.
I am not new to the scene, and I just wanted to give some advice based upon my experience of getting into street/urban art and eventually buying art by street/urban genre artists. For those new to this genre and forum, it can be a very exciting place to come across and equally perplexing trying decide your own tastes. Trying to determine what is critically applauded, which artists are given prominence due their history in the scene etc... can be a time consuming process. When I started to collect I was in the main driven by a fear of missing out and also by following a lot of hype from various sources which may or may not have been founded. Eventually I was able to determine what I liked aesthetically and also what techniques, principles and morals I liked to see not only in the art, but the artists and also the galleries I bought from. My advice to new collectors on the scene would be: 1) Don't believe the hype 2) Be patient - there is always something better around the cornerย 3) Save your money for the one big ticket item you will treasure and pass down to your kids, rather than buying 10 prints by the hyped 'artist of the month' who has no real commitment to long dedicated career in art. 4) Do your research - that means not just relying on info posted on this forum - agendas are not always clear. 5) And the old mantra of "buying what you like" is definitely something that can't be stressed enough. 6) Art is an addiction - like all addictions it is not harmless - think about what you are sacrificing for your hobby and keep it in check - don't borrow money to pay for art for example. Anyway please feel free to disagree, ignore or add to what I have said... ย One hell of a first post and intro ย Agree mostly but I wouldn't red line borrowing to purchase a piece as always the wrong thing to do. Some of my best investments have been pieces I couldn't quite afford at the time and had to borrow to secure them. Definitely a case by case issue. Oh and welcome to the forum. ย Absolutely agree Black Apple. I also find that but borrowing and buying one expensive piece it stops my constant buying of smaller pieces that I don't really want. |
|
monsoonking
New Member
Posts โข 143
Likes โข 81
July 2011
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by monsoonking on Sept 25, 2015 22:22:04 GMT 1, Unless you're simply short-term brokering art with a large margin of price safety, borrowing to buy art is extremely financially irresponsible. If you happened to make a good investment on borrowed money, congrats, but that's very much the exception rather the rule. The vast majority of art is a dismal "investment", and unless you get lucky with a early purchase of the next Banksy or Kaws, it's a money losing proposition on the whole.
Unless you're simply short-term brokering art with a large margin of price safety, borrowing to buy art is extremely financially irresponsible. If you happened to make a good investment on borrowed money, congrats, but that's very much the exception rather the rule. The vast majority of art is a dismal "investment", and unless you get lucky with a early purchase of the next Banksy or Kaws, it's a money losing proposition on the whole.
|
|
thesewalls
New Member
Posts โข 653
Likes โข 184
September 2007
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by thesewalls on Sept 26, 2015 0:39:49 GMT 1, #3 is the biggest one for me.
#3 is the biggest one for me.
|
|
Acme Thunderer
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,971
Likes โข 5,565
June 2011
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by Acme Thunderer on Sept 26, 2015 6:33:42 GMT 1, You forgot to mention:
- make sure you have plenty of wall space so you put your art on the wall and not in a folder
- be prepared to spend a fortune on framing (and UV glass)
You forgot to mention:
- make sure you have plenty of wall space so you put your art on the wall and not in a folder
- be prepared to spend a fortune on framing (and UV glass)
|
|
|
|
clockshovel
Artist
New Member
Posts โข 56
Likes โข 30
February 2015
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by clockshovel on Sept 26, 2015 10:51:08 GMT 1, I think the most important rule here is that you like the artist's work regardless as to whether or not your purchase is going to increase in value. If you're buying something assure yourself that it speaks to you profoundly enough and that you're going to want to live with it.
I think the most important rule here is that you like the artist's work regardless as to whether or not your purchase is going to increase in value. If you're buying something assure yourself that it speaks to you profoundly enough and that you're going to want to live with it.
|
|
chads007
Junior Member
Posts โข 3,696
Likes โข 2,595
December 2012
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by chads007 on Sept 26, 2015 11:03:36 GMT 1, Also
Find a good framer. There's a lot of crap out there with no experience or care.
Also
Find a good framer. There's a lot of crap out there with no experience or care.
|
|
Deleted
Posts โข 0
Likes โข
January 1970
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 8:25:57 GMT 1, I wrote a post regarding this exact topic a few weeks back, and it looks like we're all the same page.
Here are my ten tips.
1. Don't treat your collection as an investment portfolio.
2. Buy what YOU like.
3. Join an online community (but if you're reading this here, you've already done that.)
4. Go visit museums and attend gallery shows to see art the way the artists intended.
5. Become a loyal patron of your favorite gallery to gain access to the best pieces ahead of everyone.
6. Collect art books. It's a cheap alternative to gaining access to images that might otherwise be difficult to obtain while also supporting the artists.
7. Find a reputable framer that you trust.
8. Join Instagram. Virtually any artist that might interest you are on there sharing behind the scenes pictures you would never get anywhere else.
9. Look for art in unexpected places.
10. Don't be a flipper. No one likes a flipper.
I have more of an explanation here on my site.
I wrote a post regarding this exact topic a few weeks back, and it looks like we're all the same page. Here are my ten tips. 1. Don't treat your collection as an investment portfolio. 2. Buy what YOU like. 3. Join an online community (but if you're reading this here, you've already done that.) 4. Go visit museums and attend gallery shows to see art the way the artists intended. 5. Become a loyal patron of your favorite gallery to gain access to the best pieces ahead of everyone. 6. Collect art books. It's a cheap alternative to gaining access to images that might otherwise be difficult to obtain while also supporting the artists. 7. Find a reputable framer that you trust. 8. Join Instagram. Virtually any artist that might interest you are on there sharing behind the scenes pictures you would never get anywhere else. 9. Look for art in unexpected places. 10. Don't be a flipper. No one likes a flipper. I have more of an explanation here on my site. |
|
Deleted
Posts โข 0
Likes โข
January 1970
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 9:31:35 GMT 1, Nice thread. Id have to agree with dont buy if you cant afford. Borrowing sucks no matter what, especially if your borrowing expensive money ie; banks, credit, etc. However, someone like Black Apple may borrow to attain a piece that they can later sell, if its business, its obviously necessary and okay. Personal collectors, probably shouldnt put a lean on the house for art.
One thing that is almost NEVER talked about is taste. Keep your taste in mind when building a collection, its nice to have a thread run through it, to fill it out. But, YOUR TASTE WILL CHANGE. It just will. We all get older, more mature, we buy houses, furniture, and some of this street art, prints, etc just might not be the best thing in the world anymore. If that happens, just consider where you want your collection to go, and upgrade accordingly. But always remember the "thread", most collectors have a bind that flows through the entire collection, and it could be anything from color, to content, to geography.
Collecting art is fun, discovering artists, buying works, selling works, all part of the thrill. Enjoy it.
Nice thread. Id have to agree with dont buy if you cant afford. Borrowing sucks no matter what, especially if your borrowing expensive money ie; banks, credit, etc. However, someone like Black Apple may borrow to attain a piece that they can later sell, if its business, its obviously necessary and okay. Personal collectors, probably shouldnt put a lean on the house for art.
One thing that is almost NEVER talked about is taste. Keep your taste in mind when building a collection, its nice to have a thread run through it, to fill it out. But, YOUR TASTE WILL CHANGE. It just will. We all get older, more mature, we buy houses, furniture, and some of this street art, prints, etc just might not be the best thing in the world anymore. If that happens, just consider where you want your collection to go, and upgrade accordingly. But always remember the "thread", most collectors have a bind that flows through the entire collection, and it could be anything from color, to content, to geography.
Collecting art is fun, discovering artists, buying works, selling works, all part of the thrill. Enjoy it.
|
|
tomega
New Member
Posts โข 91
Likes โข 56
October 2007
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by tomega on Sept 27, 2015 9:32:49 GMT 1, I wrote a post regarding this exact topic a few weeks back, and it looks like we're all the same page. Here are my ten tips. 1. Don't treat your collection as an investment portfolio. 2. Buy what YOU like. 3. Join an online community (but if you're reading this here, you've already done that.) 4. Go visit museums and attend gallery shows to see art the way the artists intended. 5. Become a loyal patron of your favorite gallery to gain access to the best pieces ahead of everyone. 6. Collect art books. It's a cheap alternative to gaining access to images that might otherwise be difficult to obtain while also supporting the artists. 7. Find a reputable framer that you trust. 8. Join Instagram. Virtually any artist that might interest you are on there sharing behind the scenes pictures you would never get anywhere else. 9. Look for art in unexpected places. 10. Don't be a flipper. No one likes a flipper. I have more of an explanation here on my site.
I wrote a post regarding this exact topic a few weeks back, and it looks like we're all the same page. Here are my ten tips. 1. Don't treat your collection as an investment portfolio. 2. Buy what YOU like. 3. Join an online community (but if you're reading this here, you've already done that.) 4. Go visit museums and attend gallery shows to see art the way the artists intended. 5. Become a loyal patron of your favorite gallery to gain access to the best pieces ahead of everyone. 6. Collect art books. It's a cheap alternative to gaining access to images that might otherwise be difficult to obtain while also supporting the artists. 7. Find a reputable framer that you trust. 8. Join Instagram. Virtually any artist that might interest you are on there sharing behind the scenes pictures you would never get anywhere else. 9. Look for art in unexpected places. 10. Don't be a flipper. No one likes a flipper. I have more of an explanation here on my site. |
|
|
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Sept 27, 2015 10:03:39 GMT 1, Make sure you sign a pre wedding contract with the wife so that she does not get involved in 'your hobby'.. It's happened to a lot of poor guys on here.
1. You are single with your awesome own apartment with nice works on the wall which you love.
2. You meet a girl she's hot she starts staying over in your amazing metrosexual apartment with gallery style walls - saying 'wow great hobby you have I love this print I love that' commenting on how nice the print looks float mounted etc.. Rolling her do you fancy a blow job eyes at you.. The Sex on your Eames chair is amazing also and you think wow she's the one, she even knows about framing.
3. You get engaged buy a house in the suburbs, the Sex on the Eames chair only happens on your birthday  then you go to put the art up on your new walls!! 'Uh uh uh' (waving her finger) she says.. That's not going there etc. she will scrutinise every purchase you make, 'that looks terrible' 'how f**king much'?
I am in a constant battle, the other day I said I love and want this fridiks new print... 'No chance too expensive'.. I said 'the baby is in huggies nappies they are well expensive, put him in the Aldi ones he won't know, we'd save loads'!! I didn't win...
So be careful choosing your lady 
Make sure you sign a pre wedding contract with the wife so that she does not get involved in 'your hobby'.. It's happened to a lot of poor guys on here. 1. You are single with your awesome own apartment with nice works on the wall which you love. 2. You meet a girl she's hot she starts staying over in your amazing metrosexual apartment with gallery style walls - saying 'wow great hobby you have I love this print I love that' commenting on how nice the print looks float mounted etc.. Rolling her do you fancy a blow job eyes at you.. The Sex on your Eames chair is amazing also and you think wow she's the one, she even knows about framing. 3. You get engaged buy a house in the suburbs, the Sex on the Eames chair only happens on your birthday then you go to put the art up on your new walls!! 'Uh uh uh' (waving her finger) she says.. That's not going there etc. she will scrutinise every purchase you make, 'that looks terrible' 'how f**king much'? I am in a constant battle, the other day I said I love and want this fridiks new print... 'No chance too expensive'.. I said 'the baby is in huggies nappies they are well expensive, put him in the Aldi ones he won't know, we'd save loads'!! I didn't win... So be careful choosing your lady |
|
chads007
Junior Member
Posts โข 3,696
Likes โข 2,595
December 2012
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by chads007 on Sept 27, 2015 10:32:40 GMT 1, Haha!
Haha!
|
|
dotdot
Junior Member
Posts โข 3,647
Likes โข 1,027
December 2006
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by dotdot on Sept 27, 2015 19:00:17 GMT 1, Buy what you like , you might love it later or hate it later.... Taste change.
(If you're loaded then money might not sway you , andipa is your friend.)
Who here liked the sex pistols when they were young.. ? Haha.
Don't forget context , if your current other half is not on board , as JJJ said , .. Well you have an issue , black is the new ... .? That's why the latest kf won't sell out. IMO of course.
Oh and why eine was popular for a while... A b c ... ( just don't talk to me about him !)
Still if you visit the odd gallery , keep your cans on , keep it objective , nobody ( ok just me ?) likes to hear about a Gallerists favourite work. ( this , I know , is a touchy subject for a few on here...)
Keep your cool , take your time and don't buy from a newbie who may be taking you for a mug , it's not nice it happens more than it should... So be warned
Buy what you like , you might love it later or hate it later.... Taste change. (If you're loaded then money might not sway you , andipa is your friend.) Who here liked the sex pistols when they were young.. ? Haha. Don't forget context , if your current other half is not on board , as JJJ said , .. Well you have an issue , black is the new ... .? That's why the latest kf won't sell out. IMO of course. Oh and why eine was popular for a while... A b c ... ( just don't talk to me about him !) Still if you visit the odd gallery , keep your cans on , keep it objective , nobody ( ok just me ?) likes to hear about a Gallerists favourite work. ( this , I know , is a touchy subject for a few on here...) Keep your cool , take your time and don't buy from a newbie who may be taking you for a mug , it's not nice it happens more than it should... So be warned |
|
|
|
South Bound
Junior Member
Posts โข 1,483
Likes โข 1,125
May 2014
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by South Bound on Sept 27, 2015 19:25:55 GMT 1, The best advice: Ignore advice on this forum.
Go to threads that recommend books, blogs, and docs.
The best advice: Ignore advice on this forum.
Go to threads that recommend books, blogs, and docs.
|
|
Deleted
Posts โข 0
Likes โข
January 1970
|
|
|
Just
New Member
Posts โข 30
Likes โข 35
April 2015
|
Advice for new collectors when buying street art..., by Just on Sept 28, 2015 21:32:38 GMT 1, Make sure you sign a pre wedding contract with the wife so that she does not get involved in 'your hobby'.. It's happened to a lot of poor guys on here. 1. You are single with your awesome own apartment with nice works on the wall which you love. 2. You meet a girl she's hot she starts staying over in your amazing metrosexual apartment with gallery style walls - saying 'wow great hobby you have I love this print I love that' commenting on how nice the print looks float mounted etc.. Rolling her do you fancy a blow job eyes at you.. The Sex on your Eames chair is amazing also and you think wow she's the one, she even knows about framing. 3. You get engaged buy a house in the suburbs, the Sex on the Eames chair only happens on your birthday then you go to put the art up on your new walls!! 'Uh uh uh' (waving her finger) she says.. That's not going there etc. she will scrutinise every purchase you make, 'that looks terrible' 'how f**king much'? I am in a constant battle, the other day I said I love and want this fridiks new print... 'No chance too expensive'.. I said 'the baby is in huggies nappies they are well expensive, put him in the Aldi ones he won't know, we'd save loads'!! I didn't win... So be careful choosing your lady
I wonder how this will translate for a single girl who's an art addict. Only the future will say. But if it's a choice between my collection and a him indoors, there's no choice.... art wins every time ;-)
Make sure you sign a pre wedding contract with the wife so that she does not get involved in 'your hobby'.. It's happened to a lot of poor guys on here. 1. You are single with your awesome own apartment with nice works on the wall which you love. 2. You meet a girl she's hot she starts staying over in your amazing metrosexual apartment with gallery style walls - saying 'wow great hobby you have I love this print I love that' commenting on how nice the print looks float mounted etc.. Rolling her do you fancy a blow job eyes at you.. The Sex on your Eames chair is amazing also and you think wow she's the one, she even knows about framing. 3. You get engaged buy a house in the suburbs, the Sex on the Eames chair only happens on your birthday then you go to put the art up on your new walls!! 'Uh uh uh' (waving her finger) she says.. That's not going there etc. she will scrutinise every purchase you make, 'that looks terrible' 'how f**king much'? I am in a constant battle, the other day I said I love and want this fridiks new print... 'No chance too expensive'.. I said 'the baby is in huggies nappies they are well expensive, put him in the Aldi ones he won't know, we'd save loads'!! I didn't win... So be careful choosing your lady I wonder how this will translate for a single girl who's an art addict. Only the future will say. But if it's a choice between my collection and a him indoors, there's no choice.... art wins every time ;-) |
|
Agree mostly but I wouldn't red line borrowing to purchase a piece as always the wrong thing to do. Some of my best investments have been pieces I couldn't quite afford at the time and had to borrow to secure them. Definitely a case by case issue. Oh and welcome to the forum. 
then you go to put the art up on your new walls!! 'Uh uh uh' (waving her finger) she says.. That's not going there etc. she will scrutinise every purchase you make, 'that looks terrible' 'how f**king much'? 
