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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 10:08:25 GMT 1, All of these galleries that sell these prints etc should be made to put in the sales pitch the exact technique used by the artist to come up with the finished painting or print.
Too many people go in these galleries or online and belive that a lot of photo stencils have been done completely by hand.
All of these galleries that sell these prints etc should be made to put in the sales pitch the exact technique used by the artist to come up with the finished painting or print.
Too many people go in these galleries or online and belive that a lot of photo stencils have been done completely by hand.
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 10:16:43 GMT 1, Like the property market with Estate Agents / Rightmove etc. and many other products that we actually need to survive?. Do you reckon art is different to any other commodity?, we can all think it up in our minds but why do we need to physically see it?. Yes in the States Websites are taking a fair amount of sales from agents through websites like Redfin etc, the problem is they are using agents that work to get businesses data and then bait and switching internet users to make it look like its their agent that is selling the home and the buyers dont know any better. Thats a whole other story, but you still have to go to a house walk through it and see the neighborhood or the dump that is in the backyard but not taken a photo of. Even Google maps cant tell you the neighborhood smells likes a meatfactory. Back to Art, I get it the internet is great for artists to sell work especially with the advent of instagram and social media. That being said it seems these collectors/galleries who have figured out a way to contact artists and build a website think hey 50% commission is way too much lets charge less and try to take some of the artists from brick and mortar. Or lets just make a site that lets artists sell direct to me this is the age we live in and we cant go back in time and wish for this to go away. Its not going to change and its a issue many will deal with galleries, artists etc. I think most people dont need to see a work of art online anymore or be in person to make a purchase this forum is a testament to that. But one thing that will always remain the same is that the gallery system will stick around for some time even if this new age of internet weeds out some of the pretenders. Its natural economics for technology to disrupt but in this case I dont see it killing all galleries. Those galleries that have gained their collectors trust, and who have shown to their artists that they have there best interest at stake will make due. It is much harder to sell to a genre like urban art that knows what they want and dont need much in the way of being educated on what or who they are buying. Most people buy what they want or what they like, which is ok but as collectors gain experience they will learn from this and seek council from the people they trust in the business. I think this is where the Gallery comes into play as they invest big money into making shows happen and regardless if its worth 50% they put something on the line when they believe in an artist. This is bigger conversation I guess and those that know get it, those that see short term will do things there way and might have success and they might not. No one has it all figured out, I can believe 100% in an artist but If I cant convey that message to sales then its a bad situation for the artist. I think also that the higher you go up in the gallery system the more exclusive it is and the harder it is to obtain pieces from top tier artists as galleries just wont let anyone buy there artists work. I think Urban art is far from that but we are seeing some artists with a huge waiting list and collectors not being able to get a piece even from a gallery as the galleries give maybe loyal collectors first choice. And most these artists wont work for a commission which is tough on buyers. The commission thing also is a new phenomena again and I am curious to here peoples stories on those artists that commission artists vs artists that dont do commissions. OK, but is that a yes or a no?.
Like the property market with Estate Agents / Rightmove etc. and many other products that we actually need to survive?. Do you reckon art is different to any other commodity?, we can all think it up in our minds but why do we need to physically see it?. Yes in the States Websites are taking a fair amount of sales from agents through websites like Redfin etc, the problem is they are using agents that work to get businesses data and then bait and switching internet users to make it look like its their agent that is selling the home and the buyers dont know any better. Thats a whole other story, but you still have to go to a house walk through it and see the neighborhood or the dump that is in the backyard but not taken a photo of. Even Google maps cant tell you the neighborhood smells likes a meatfactory. Back to Art, I get it the internet is great for artists to sell work especially with the advent of instagram and social media. That being said it seems these collectors/galleries who have figured out a way to contact artists and build a website think hey 50% commission is way too much lets charge less and try to take some of the artists from brick and mortar. Or lets just make a site that lets artists sell direct to me this is the age we live in and we cant go back in time and wish for this to go away. Its not going to change and its a issue many will deal with galleries, artists etc. I think most people dont need to see a work of art online anymore or be in person to make a purchase this forum is a testament to that. But one thing that will always remain the same is that the gallery system will stick around for some time even if this new age of internet weeds out some of the pretenders. Its natural economics for technology to disrupt but in this case I dont see it killing all galleries. Those galleries that have gained their collectors trust, and who have shown to their artists that they have there best interest at stake will make due. It is much harder to sell to a genre like urban art that knows what they want and dont need much in the way of being educated on what or who they are buying. Most people buy what they want or what they like, which is ok but as collectors gain experience they will learn from this and seek council from the people they trust in the business. I think this is where the Gallery comes into play as they invest big money into making shows happen and regardless if its worth 50% they put something on the line when they believe in an artist. This is bigger conversation I guess and those that know get it, those that see short term will do things there way and might have success and they might not. No one has it all figured out, I can believe 100% in an artist but If I cant convey that message to sales then its a bad situation for the artist. I think also that the higher you go up in the gallery system the more exclusive it is and the harder it is to obtain pieces from top tier artists as galleries just wont let anyone buy there artists work. I think Urban art is far from that but we are seeing some artists with a huge waiting list and collectors not being able to get a piece even from a gallery as the galleries give maybe loyal collectors first choice. And most these artists wont work for a commission which is tough on buyers. The commission thing also is a new phenomena again and I am curious to here peoples stories on those artists that commission artists vs artists that dont do commissions. OK, but is that a yes or a no?.
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This Is Money., by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Mar 2, 2015 10:19:58 GMT 1, Yes in the States Websites are taking a fair amount of sales from agents through websites like Redfin etc, the problem is they are using agents that work to get businesses data and then bait and switching internet users to make it look like its their agent that is selling the home and the buyers dont know any better. Thats a whole other story, but you still have to go to a house walk through it and see the neighborhood or the dump that is in the backyard but not taken a photo of. Even Google maps cant tell you the neighborhood smells likes a meatfactory. Back to Art, I get it the internet is great for artists to sell work especially with the advent of instagram and social media. That being said it seems these collectors/galleries who have figured out a way to contact artists and build a website think hey 50% commission is way too much lets charge less and try to take some of the artists from brick and mortar. Or lets just make a site that lets artists sell direct to me this is the age we live in and we cant go back in time and wish for this to go away. Its not going to change and its a issue many will deal with galleries, artists etc. I think most people dont need to see a work of art online anymore or be in person to make a purchase this forum is a testament to that. But one thing that will always remain the same is that the gallery system will stick around for some time even if this new age of internet weeds out some of the pretenders. Its natural economics for technology to disrupt but in this case I dont see it killing all galleries. Those galleries that have gained their collectors trust, and who have shown to their artists that they have there best interest at stake will make due. It is much harder to sell to a genre like urban art that knows what they want and dont need much in the way of being educated on what or who they are buying. Most people buy what they want or what they like, which is ok but as collectors gain experience they will learn from this and seek council from the people they trust in the business. I think this is where the Gallery comes into play as they invest big money into making shows happen and regardless if its worth 50% they put something on the line when they believe in an artist. This is bigger conversation I guess and those that know get it, those that see short term will do things there way and might have success and they might not. No one has it all figured out, I can believe 100% in an artist but If I cant convey that message to sales then its a bad situation for the artist. I think also that the higher you go up in the gallery system the more exclusive it is and the harder it is to obtain pieces from top tier artists as galleries just wont let anyone buy there artists work. I think Urban art is far from that but we are seeing some artists with a huge waiting list and collectors not being able to get a piece even from a gallery as the galleries give maybe loyal collectors first choice. And most these artists wont work for a commission which is tough on buyers. The commission thing also is a new phenomena again and I am curious to here peoples stories on those artists that commission artists vs artists that dont do commissions. OK, but is that a yes or a no?. Yes we do need to physically see it. Anytime I see art on the internet I make a mental note in my head to make sure when I see it in person to see if it is as good as the internet image. Some art especially illustrators is made to be reproduced and looks great on a screen or print but doesnt hold a candle to maybe a painter who is painting not for the screen or print but for the person in front of the painteing. For me its a yes but if I was buying graphic or illustrative art maybe not.
Yes in the States Websites are taking a fair amount of sales from agents through websites like Redfin etc, the problem is they are using agents that work to get businesses data and then bait and switching internet users to make it look like its their agent that is selling the home and the buyers dont know any better. Thats a whole other story, but you still have to go to a house walk through it and see the neighborhood or the dump that is in the backyard but not taken a photo of. Even Google maps cant tell you the neighborhood smells likes a meatfactory. Back to Art, I get it the internet is great for artists to sell work especially with the advent of instagram and social media. That being said it seems these collectors/galleries who have figured out a way to contact artists and build a website think hey 50% commission is way too much lets charge less and try to take some of the artists from brick and mortar. Or lets just make a site that lets artists sell direct to me this is the age we live in and we cant go back in time and wish for this to go away. Its not going to change and its a issue many will deal with galleries, artists etc. I think most people dont need to see a work of art online anymore or be in person to make a purchase this forum is a testament to that. But one thing that will always remain the same is that the gallery system will stick around for some time even if this new age of internet weeds out some of the pretenders. Its natural economics for technology to disrupt but in this case I dont see it killing all galleries. Those galleries that have gained their collectors trust, and who have shown to their artists that they have there best interest at stake will make due. It is much harder to sell to a genre like urban art that knows what they want and dont need much in the way of being educated on what or who they are buying. Most people buy what they want or what they like, which is ok but as collectors gain experience they will learn from this and seek council from the people they trust in the business. I think this is where the Gallery comes into play as they invest big money into making shows happen and regardless if its worth 50% they put something on the line when they believe in an artist. This is bigger conversation I guess and those that know get it, those that see short term will do things there way and might have success and they might not. No one has it all figured out, I can believe 100% in an artist but If I cant convey that message to sales then its a bad situation for the artist. I think also that the higher you go up in the gallery system the more exclusive it is and the harder it is to obtain pieces from top tier artists as galleries just wont let anyone buy there artists work. I think Urban art is far from that but we are seeing some artists with a huge waiting list and collectors not being able to get a piece even from a gallery as the galleries give maybe loyal collectors first choice. And most these artists wont work for a commission which is tough on buyers. The commission thing also is a new phenomena again and I am curious to here peoples stories on those artists that commission artists vs artists that dont do commissions. OK, but is that a yes or a no?. Yes we do need to physically see it. Anytime I see art on the internet I make a mental note in my head to make sure when I see it in person to see if it is as good as the internet image. Some art especially illustrators is made to be reproduced and looks great on a screen or print but doesnt hold a candle to maybe a painter who is painting not for the screen or print but for the person in front of the painteing. For me its a yes but if I was buying graphic or illustrative art maybe not.
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 10:32:12 GMT 1, The urban market is different in the sense its highly concentrated on prints which is why a lot of sales take place online, it is what it is, no texture etc, youre likely to get pretty much what you see on the computer, although due to nature of prints its better if possible to see it face to face or deal with someone trusted. A lot of the more texturial/painterly originals i sell are bought in the gallery face to face, its night and day with these works comparing them on a computer screen and in real life.
The urban market is different in the sense its highly concentrated on prints which is why a lot of sales take place online, it is what it is, no texture etc, youre likely to get pretty much what you see on the computer, although due to nature of prints its better if possible to see it face to face or deal with someone trusted. A lot of the more texturial/painterly originals i sell are bought in the gallery face to face, its night and day with these works comparing them on a computer screen and in real life.
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This Is Money., by naughtyshorty on Mar 4, 2015 11:57:11 GMT 1, As an artist I am confronted atleast once a month from some random new street art gallery that wants to represent me online with nothing to offer other than a internet page and some traffic that would warrant me to jump on board. Like the property market with Estate Agents / Rightmove etc. and many other products that we actually need to survive?. Do you reckon art is different to any other commodity?, we can all think it up in our minds but why do we need to physically see it?. www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/video/2014/sep/10/what-is-art-for-alain-de-botton-guide-video
As an artist I am confronted atleast once a month from some random new street art gallery that wants to represent me online with nothing to offer other than a internet page and some traffic that would warrant me to jump on board. Like the property market with Estate Agents / Rightmove etc. and many other products that we actually need to survive?. Do you reckon art is different to any other commodity?, we can all think it up in our minds but why do we need to physically see it?. www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/video/2014/sep/10/what-is-art-for-alain-de-botton-guide-video
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This Is Money., by met on Mar 31, 2015 3:25:46 GMT 1, That's a great short video narrated by Alain de Botton. Thank you for posting the link.
I love individuals who have the courage to ask (and attempt to answer) the questions very few others dare ask. And those with the curiosity to ask questions which may appear so basic that most people have never even considered them.
Such fearlessness and imagination often seem rarer among adults than with children.
That's a great short video narrated by Alain de Botton. Thank you for posting the link. I love individuals who have the courage to ask (and attempt to answer) the questions very few others dare ask. And those with the curiosity to ask questions which may appear so basic that most people have never even considered them. Such fearlessness and imagination often seem rarer among adults than with children.
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