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This Is Money., by dranfan14 on Mar 1, 2015 10:12:27 GMT 1, "Poster boy" haha might start calling him that 
Some nice pink Tucans on there too! & Love that Zach hanging up behind him. What an office man....
"Poster boy" haha might start calling him that Some nice pink Tucans on there too! & Love that Zach hanging up behind him. What an office man.... |
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 10:27:44 GMT 1, And is about money, and allways have been and allways will be...
And is about money, and allways have been and allways will be...
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This Is Money., by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Mar 1, 2015 10:37:45 GMT 1, Yes it's all about the profit but fair play to graffiti prints he churns out some shit prints, some good ones but has stuck to what he loves, worked hard and made a business out of it.
Yes it's all about the profit but fair play to graffiti prints he churns out some shit prints, some good ones but has stuck to what he loves, worked hard and made a business out of it.
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This Is Money., by dranfan14 on Mar 1, 2015 11:01:58 GMT 1, I would love to make a living doing something I love... Iv got a 12 hour night shift to do tonight & I will hate every minute of it.... If you love your work it's half the battle won.
I would love to make a living doing something I love... Iv got a 12 hour night shift to do tonight & I will hate every minute of it.... If you love your work it's half the battle won.
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 11:26:55 GMT 1, I would love to make a living doing something I love... Iv got a 12 hour night shift to do tonight & I will hate every minute of it.... If you love your work it's half the battle won.
I would love to make a living doing something I love... Iv got a 12 hour night shift to do tonight & I will hate every minute of it.... If you love your work it's half the battle won.LIKE! |
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 12:15:57 GMT 1, I called the market a few weeks ago ( Laz auction time I think ) and im sticking with it - once shite like the Mail starts pumping stuff like Banksy, the train has long gone and you dont want to be left in the station toilets with a non flexible one way ticket in your back pocket
of course everyone will counter this, but thats all part of the cycle at this stage
I called the market a few weeks ago ( Laz auction time I think ) and im sticking with it - once shite like the Mail starts pumping stuff like Banksy, the train has long gone and you dont want to be left in the station toilets with a non flexible one way ticket in your back pocket
of course everyone will counter this, but thats all part of the cycle at this stage
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This Is Money., by Matt on Mar 1, 2015 12:40:09 GMT 1, I called the market a few weeks ago ( Laz auction time I think ) and im sticking with it - once s**te like the Mail starts pumping stuff like Banksy, the train has long gone and you dont want to be left in the station toilets with a non flexible one way ticket in your back pocket of course everyone will counter this, but thats all part of the cycle at this stage
If you are saying that everyone buying low end Banksys as "an investment" are in for a hangover, I believe you are absolutely right.
But does this mean the whole bubble will burst, I'm not sure. The article does raise an interesting point about the market expanding in other countries. The recent very well curated Artcurial street auction tends to indicate that this might be true, and might provide more growth yet for galleries flogging overpriced pictures ?
I called the market a few weeks ago ( Laz auction time I think ) and im sticking with it - once s**te like the Mail starts pumping stuff like Banksy, the train has long gone and you dont want to be left in the station toilets with a non flexible one way ticket in your back pocket of course everyone will counter this, but thats all part of the cycle at this stage If you are saying that everyone buying low end Banksys as "an investment" are in for a hangover, I believe you are absolutely right. But does this mean the whole bubble will burst, I'm not sure. The article does raise an interesting point about the market expanding in other countries. The recent very well curated Artcurial street auction tends to indicate that this might be true, and might provide more growth yet for galleries flogging overpriced pictures ? |
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This Is Money., by overend on Mar 1, 2015 12:45:45 GMT 1, If I could call the market I'd be making big banker bonuses in the city.
If I could call the market I'd be making big banker bonuses in the city.
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 13:07:18 GMT 1, I called the market a few weeks ago ( Laz auction time I think ) and im sticking with it - once s**te like the Mail starts pumping stuff like Banksy, the train has long gone and you dont want to be left in the station toilets with a non flexible one way ticket in your back pocket of course everyone will counter this, but thats all part of the cycle at this stage If you are saying that everyone buying low end Banksys as "an investment" are in for a hangover, I believe you are absolutely right. But does this mean the whole bubble will burst, I'm not sure. The article does raise an interesting point about the market expanding in other countries. The recent very well curated Artcurial street auction tends to indicate that this might be true, and might provide more growth yet for galleries flogging overpriced pictures ?
I have no idea- as ever, my mantra would be to write off any cost as soon as you have it in your hands, so you dont worrry about its current or future worth
by trade I work in risk/ market economics( when I do actually work ) ands theres a sort of new new paradigm that has been gaining a foothold over the past decade- where the expectation is certain purchases should rise in value over time. This is somewhat fuelled by the housing market performancee ( esp in London ) - Im seeing the same in art/ watches/ some cars blah blah blah. you get the gist
Like all this forecasting bollocks, it is anecdata until it has come and gone, then everyone can pull apart the historical information and derive conclusions. using anecdats on this forum , for example the amount of rarities popping up for sale of late, would tentatively suggest that many have decided to realise their profit, another indicator if that is what you ios looking for
as ever, this is a view, not a given
I called the market a few weeks ago ( Laz auction time I think ) and im sticking with it - once s**te like the Mail starts pumping stuff like Banksy, the train has long gone and you dont want to be left in the station toilets with a non flexible one way ticket in your back pocket of course everyone will counter this, but thats all part of the cycle at this stage If you are saying that everyone buying low end Banksys as "an investment" are in for a hangover, I believe you are absolutely right. But does this mean the whole bubble will burst, I'm not sure. The article does raise an interesting point about the market expanding in other countries. The recent very well curated Artcurial street auction tends to indicate that this might be true, and might provide more growth yet for galleries flogging overpriced pictures ? I have no idea- as ever, my mantra would be to write off any cost as soon as you have it in your hands, so you dont worrry about its current or future worth by trade I work in risk/ market economics( when I do actually work ) ands theres a sort of new new paradigm that has been gaining a foothold over the past decade- where the expectation is certain purchases should rise in value over time. This is somewhat fuelled by the housing market performancee ( esp in London ) - Im seeing the same in art/ watches/ some cars blah blah blah. you get the gist Like all this forecasting bollocks, it is anecdata until it has come and gone, then everyone can pull apart the historical information and derive conclusions. using anecdats on this forum , for example the amount of rarities popping up for sale of late, would tentatively suggest that many have decided to realise their profit, another indicator if that is what you ios looking for as ever, this is a view, not a given |
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This Is Money., by Matt on Mar 1, 2015 13:36:51 GMT 1, My former job was to invest in companies, and the big difference with collectibles is that you invest with a rationale of why / how / to whom will you sell at a profit based on real value creation.
This skill is worth nothing to me when buying art precisely for the reasons you describe.
An interesting driver of bubble vs. healthy market that holds true in exceptional wine or vintage cars is the amount of leverage.
When people start buying cars for crazy prices (and a lot of this is going on right now for those who follow) with their equity the market is strong, but when leveraged buyers arrive a dire crash is usually the only outcome. The non leveraged buyers suffer but they can wait it out and wait for the next cycle, and they can enjoy the car / drink the wine if that cycle is too long to come...
Wonder how many people here buy Banksy, Dran, Stik etc on credit....
My former job was to invest in companies, and the big difference with collectibles is that you invest with a rationale of why / how / to whom will you sell at a profit based on real value creation.
This skill is worth nothing to me when buying art precisely for the reasons you describe.
An interesting driver of bubble vs. healthy market that holds true in exceptional wine or vintage cars is the amount of leverage.
When people start buying cars for crazy prices (and a lot of this is going on right now for those who follow) with their equity the market is strong, but when leveraged buyers arrive a dire crash is usually the only outcome. The non leveraged buyers suffer but they can wait it out and wait for the next cycle, and they can enjoy the car / drink the wine if that cycle is too long to come...
Wonder how many people here buy Banksy, Dran, Stik etc on credit....
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This Is Money., by Fish in the Sea on Mar 1, 2015 13:41:05 GMT 1, Loads of banker, ex bankers on this forum it seems 
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 13:50:10 GMT 1, alot more than you think- not all are bad people though, most bankers are just office jobs, the headline of bankers and ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ isnt as true as people think
alot more than you think- not all are bad people though, most bankers are just office jobs, the headline of bankers and ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ isnt as true as people think
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This Is Money., by Fish in the Sea on Mar 1, 2015 13:55:37 GMT 1, alot more than you think- not all are bad people though, most bankers are just office jobs, the headline of bankers and ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ isnt as true as people think
Not criticising - just a statement
alot more than you think- not all are bad people though, most bankers are just office jobs, the headline of bankers and ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ isnt as true as people think Not criticising - just a statement |
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This Is Money., by Poster Bob on Mar 1, 2015 14:17:20 GMT 1, The pink background on those Whatson prints is disgusting.
The pink background on those Whatson prints is disgusting.
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 21:24:29 GMT 1, These people will sell anything to make money.
I looked at lots of these "dealers" sites and they seem to have hundreds of artists (maybe not hundreds but lots) on their sites and each one has produced a ltd edition for sale.
So the average trendy hip young urban art buyer can browse the site and choose something that goes with their urban eye and Ikea furniture.
As long as two or three prints are being sold a week, it's all easy money for these dealers and I think thats why they are happy to stick on their site anything that looks trendy, regardless of skill technique a,d song writing ability by the artist?
These people will sell anything to make money.
I looked at lots of these "dealers" sites and they seem to have hundreds of artists (maybe not hundreds but lots) on their sites and each one has produced a ltd edition for sale.
So the average trendy hip young urban art buyer can browse the site and choose something that goes with their urban eye and Ikea furniture.
As long as two or three prints are being sold a week, it's all easy money for these dealers and I think thats why they are happy to stick on their site anything that looks trendy, regardless of skill technique a,d song writing ability by the artist?
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 21:31:15 GMT 1, These people will sell anything to make money. I looked at lots of these "dealers" sites and they seem to have hundreds of artists (maybe not hundreds but lots) on their sites and each one has produced a ltd edition for sale. So the average trendy hip young urban art buyer can browse the site and choose something that goes with their urban eye and Ikea furniture. As long as two or three prints are being sold a week, it's all easy money for these dealers and I think thats why they are happy to stick on their site anything that looks trendy, regardless of skill technique a,d song writing ability by the artist?
Cant argue with that 
These people will sell anything to make money. I looked at lots of these "dealers" sites and they seem to have hundreds of artists (maybe not hundreds but lots) on their sites and each one has produced a ltd edition for sale. So the average trendy hip young urban art buyer can browse the site and choose something that goes with their urban eye and Ikea furniture. As long as two or three prints are being sold a week, it's all easy money for these dealers and I think thats why they are happy to stick on their site anything that looks trendy, regardless of skill technique a,d song writing ability by the artist? Cant argue with that |
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 21:35:34 GMT 1, I agree , it's a business and very lucrative if done professionally.
It can be overwhelming though when visiting these gallery sites, with all the artists and then their prints and then their different colorways and everything merges into the wallpaper and I Wake up three days later with a dead hooker in the bed.
I agree , it's a business and very lucrative if done professionally.
It can be overwhelming though when visiting these gallery sites, with all the artists and then their prints and then their different colorways and everything merges into the wallpaper and I Wake up three days later with a dead hooker in the bed.
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 21:43:43 GMT 1, I agree , it's a business and very lucrative if done professionally. It can be overwhelming though when visiting these gallery sites, with all the artists and then their prints and then their different colorways and everything merges into the wallpaper and I Wake up three days later with a dead hooker in the bed.
What were you taking when you were looking at these sites???
I know what you mean, seems to be heading that way especially in the urban market. Most of what i sell is originals but for a few artists, with Banksy it mostly has to be prints..too many pennies 
I agree , it's a business and very lucrative if done professionally. It can be overwhelming though when visiting these gallery sites, with all the artists and then their prints and then their different colorways and everything merges into the wallpaper and I Wake up three days later with a dead hooker in the bed. What were you taking when you were looking at these sites??? I know what you mean, seems to be heading that way especially in the urban market. Most of what i sell is originals but for a few artists, with Banksy it mostly has to be prints..too many pennies |
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This Is Money., by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Mar 1, 2015 22:20:04 GMT 1, Be interesting to see how much turnover all these online print galleries make? All the info available online at companies house still back in UK?
Hard to call any market, I think banksy is at the lower end of the art market.. I remember when people were paying 8k pounds for a CYW, I thought wow they will get burned? Now they have doubled again!! It would take many years to make that interest with a bank. So people caught onto it through friends and we are in a bubble but his prices may stagnate for a few years, I doubt they will go down as there isn't much supply. People continually buying his prints will affect other artists, may see the prices for artists like dolk, faile an lots of others etc. come down as people want to get rid of those artists to pay for a banksy. It's the same as the sydney and London housing bubbles, those 2 cities are like banksy, investors only want invest in them as they will get a far higher return and the other cities make negative profit or very little..
Be interesting to see how much turnover all these online print galleries make? All the info available online at companies house still back in UK?
Hard to call any market, I think banksy is at the lower end of the art market.. I remember when people were paying 8k pounds for a CYW, I thought wow they will get burned? Now they have doubled again!! It would take many years to make that interest with a bank. So people caught onto it through friends and we are in a bubble but his prices may stagnate for a few years, I doubt they will go down as there isn't much supply. People continually buying his prints will affect other artists, may see the prices for artists like dolk, faile an lots of others etc. come down as people want to get rid of those artists to pay for a banksy. It's the same as the sydney and London housing bubbles, those 2 cities are like banksy, investors only want invest in them as they will get a far higher return and the other cities make negative profit or very little..
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 22:29:24 GMT 1, It's a good point. Banksy might not have invented stencils and stencil street art but he definately was responsible for creating todays market and interest.
It's a good point. Banksy might not have invented stencils and stencil street art but he definately was responsible for creating todays market and interest.
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This Is Money., by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Mar 2, 2015 7:33:27 GMT 1, I agree , it's a business and very lucrative if done professionally. It can be overwhelming though when visiting these gallery sites, with all the artists and then their prints and then their different colorways and everything merges into the wallpaper and I Wake up three days later with a dead hooker in the bed. What were you taking when you were looking at these sites??? I know what you mean, seems to be heading that way especially in the urban market. Most of what i sell is originals but for a few artists, with Banksy it mostly has to be prints..too many pennies
I agree , it's a business and very lucrative if done professionally. It can be overwhelming though when visiting these gallery sites, with all the artists and then their prints and then their different colorways and everything merges into the wallpaper and I Wake up three days later with a dead hooker in the bed. What were you taking when you were looking at these sites??? I know what you mean, seems to be heading that way especially in the urban market. Most of what i sell is originals but for a few artists, with Banksy it mostly has to be prints..too many pennies I am always curious to different Gallery models and what works for some and others. What is this type of Gallery model that doesnt put on monthly or bimonthly exhibitions but sells some originals and prints. Just curious as maybe its a US thing but I dont see many of these type of galleries usually. 1xrun has a huge print store but differentiate it from their actual gallery which is interstate gallery. |
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 8:33:03 GMT 1, What were you taking when you were looking at these sites??? I know what you mean, seems to be heading that way especially in the urban market. Most of what i sell is originals but for a few artists, with Banksy it mostly has to be prints..too many pennies I am always curious to different Gallery models and what works for some and others. What is this type of Gallery model that doesnt put on monthly or bimonthly exhibitions but sells some originals and prints. Just curious as maybe its a US thing but I dont see many of these type of galleries usually. 1xrun has a huge print store but differentiate it from their actual gallery which is interstate gallery.
Didnt realise that was the case in the states tbh, as far as i was aware lots of gallerys sell a mix of prints and originals. I would concentrate completely on originals if price permitted, thats my mindset of where the future of the gallery lies, its model put simply i suppose.
What were you taking when you were looking at these sites??? I know what you mean, seems to be heading that way especially in the urban market. Most of what i sell is originals but for a few artists, with Banksy it mostly has to be prints..too many pennies I am always curious to different Gallery models and what works for some and others. What is this type of Gallery model that doesnt put on monthly or bimonthly exhibitions but sells some originals and prints. Just curious as maybe its a US thing but I dont see many of these type of galleries usually. 1xrun has a huge print store but differentiate it from their actual gallery which is interstate gallery. Didnt realise that was the case in the states tbh, as far as i was aware lots of gallerys sell a mix of prints and originals. I would concentrate completely on originals if price permitted, thats my mindset of where the future of the gallery lies, its model put simply i suppose. |
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This Is Money., by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Mar 2, 2015 8:41:35 GMT 1, I am always curious to different Gallery models and what works for some and others. What is this type of Gallery model that doesnt put on monthly or bimonthly exhibitions but sells some originals and prints. Just curious as maybe its a US thing but I dont see many of these type of galleries usually. 1xrun has a huge print store but differentiate it from their actual gallery which is interstate gallery. Didnt realise that was the case in the states tbh, as far as i was aware lots of gallerys sell a mix of prints and originals. I would concentrate completely on originals if price permitted, thats my mindset of where the future of the gallery lies, its model put simply i suppose.
I think its tough for galleries that focus on exhibitions and original work as each month they are putting something out there that might not sell right away and not actively engaged in selling pieces by artists they donot work with directly. Each model unique I guess but in the states, and other countries the exhibition Model seems to be more prevalent with our genre. But I am making a guess.
I am always curious to different Gallery models and what works for some and others. What is this type of Gallery model that doesnt put on monthly or bimonthly exhibitions but sells some originals and prints. Just curious as maybe its a US thing but I dont see many of these type of galleries usually. 1xrun has a huge print store but differentiate it from their actual gallery which is interstate gallery. Didnt realise that was the case in the states tbh, as far as i was aware lots of gallerys sell a mix of prints and originals. I would concentrate completely on originals if price permitted, thats my mindset of where the future of the gallery lies, its model put simply i suppose. I guess we call them Boutique Galleries or secondary market galleries which hold inventory and sell at retail even buying secondary work and retailing it even though they might not represent an artist. I think with the Internet its easier for these type of galleries to exist just as internet storefronts alone without any brick and mortar store. I think its tough for galleries that focus on exhibitions and original work as each month they are putting something out there that might not sell right away and not actively engaged in selling pieces by artists they donot work with directly. Each model unique I guess but in the states, and other countries the exhibition Model seems to be more prevalent with our genre. But I am making a guess. |
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 9:12:54 GMT 1, Didnt realise that was the case in the states tbh, as far as i was aware lots of gallerys sell a mix of prints and originals. I would concentrate completely on originals if price permitted, thats my mindset of where the future of the gallery lies, its model put simply i suppose. I guess we call them Boutique Galleries or secondary market galleries which hold inventory and sell at retail even buying secondary work and retailing it even though they might not represent an artist. I think with the Internet its easier for these type of galleries to exist just as internet storefronts alone without any brick and mortar store. I think its tough for galleries that focus on exhibitions and original work as each month they are putting something out there that might not sell right away and not actively engaged in selling pieces by artists they donot work with directly. Each model unique I guess but in the states, and other countries the exhibition Model seems to be more prevalent with our genre. But I am making a guess.
Thats quite presumptious, grouping myself with online non bricks and mortar galleries and labelling it as secondary market gallery which is "easier" shows a viewpoint based on lack of knowledge. Until 2008 i held regular exhibitions with the artists i represent, with the recession adaption was needed to survive, regular exhibitions werent feasible, there wasnt the same buying power to with stain them, exhibitions will start again when i feel they will be successful, otherwise its deteramental to the artists and the gallery. It would be easy for me to get my artists to put out work and sell a handful but that wouldnt be good for their future. Currently my focus is on building a wider audience for the gallery, the artists i deal with currently and future artists i will work with.
Didnt realise that was the case in the states tbh, as far as i was aware lots of gallerys sell a mix of prints and originals. I would concentrate completely on originals if price permitted, thats my mindset of where the future of the gallery lies, its model put simply i suppose. I guess we call them Boutique Galleries or secondary market galleries which hold inventory and sell at retail even buying secondary work and retailing it even though they might not represent an artist. I think with the Internet its easier for these type of galleries to exist just as internet storefronts alone without any brick and mortar store. I think its tough for galleries that focus on exhibitions and original work as each month they are putting something out there that might not sell right away and not actively engaged in selling pieces by artists they donot work with directly. Each model unique I guess but in the states, and other countries the exhibition Model seems to be more prevalent with our genre. But I am making a guess. Thats quite presumptious, grouping myself with online non bricks and mortar galleries and labelling it as secondary market gallery which is "easier" shows a viewpoint based on lack of knowledge. Until 2008 i held regular exhibitions with the artists i represent, with the recession adaption was needed to survive, regular exhibitions werent feasible, there wasnt the same buying power to with stain them, exhibitions will start again when i feel they will be successful, otherwise its deteramental to the artists and the gallery. It would be easy for me to get my artists to put out work and sell a handful but that wouldnt be good for their future. Currently my focus is on building a wider audience for the gallery, the artists i deal with currently and future artists i will work with. |
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This Is Money., by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Mar 2, 2015 9:31:33 GMT 1, I guess we call them Boutique Galleries or secondary market galleries which hold inventory and sell at retail even buying secondary work and retailing it even though they might not represent an artist. I think with the Internet its easier for these type of galleries to exist just as internet storefronts alone without any brick and mortar store. I think its tough for galleries that focus on exhibitions and original work as each month they are putting something out there that might not sell right away and not actively engaged in selling pieces by artists they donot work with directly. Each model unique I guess but in the states, and other countries the exhibition Model seems to be more prevalent with our genre. But I am making a guess. Thats quite presumptious, grouping myself with online non bricks and mortar galleries and labelling it as secondary market gallery which is "easier" shows a viewpoint based on lack of knowledge. Until 2008 i held regular exhibitions with the artists i represent, with the recession adaption was needed to survive, regular exhibitions werent feasible, there wasnt the same buying power to with stain them, exhibitions will start again when i feel they will be successful, otherwise its deteramental to the artists and the gallery. It would be easy for me to get my artists to put out work and sell a handful but that wouldnt be good for their future. Currently my focus is on building a wider audience for the gallery, the artists i deal with currently and future artists i will work with.
I guess we call them Boutique Galleries or secondary market galleries which hold inventory and sell at retail even buying secondary work and retailing it even though they might not represent an artist. I think with the Internet its easier for these type of galleries to exist just as internet storefronts alone without any brick and mortar store. I think its tough for galleries that focus on exhibitions and original work as each month they are putting something out there that might not sell right away and not actively engaged in selling pieces by artists they donot work with directly. Each model unique I guess but in the states, and other countries the exhibition Model seems to be more prevalent with our genre. But I am making a guess. Thats quite presumptious, grouping myself with online non bricks and mortar galleries and labelling it as secondary market gallery which is "easier" shows a viewpoint based on lack of knowledge. Until 2008 i held regular exhibitions with the artists i represent, with the recession adaption was needed to survive, regular exhibitions werent feasible, there wasnt the same buying power to with stain them, exhibitions will start again when i feel they will be successful, otherwise its deteramental to the artists and the gallery. It would be easy for me to get my artists to put out work and sell a handful but that wouldnt be good for their future. Currently my focus is on building a wider audience for the gallery, the artists i deal with currently and future artists i will work with. I think you missed my point or mixed up my message, I was not talking about you or your business at all just asking a question about a rise in these online galleries and secondary market galleries. I am not knocking your business as I have no knowledge of it to any degree to criticize it. I was referring to an onslaught of online galleries which does make it easier to have no overhead. This was a generalization made at those galleries not yours. As an artist I am confronted atleast once a month from some random new street art gallery that wants to represent me online with nothing to offer other than a internet page and some traffic that would warrant me to jump on board. |
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 9:42:55 GMT 1, Thats quite presumptious, grouping myself with online non bricks and mortar galleries and labelling it as secondary market gallery which is "easier" shows a viewpoint based on lack of knowledge. Until 2008 i held regular exhibitions with the artists i represent, with the recession adaption was needed to survive, regular exhibitions werent feasible, there wasnt the same buying power to with stain them, exhibitions will start again when i feel they will be successful, otherwise its deteramental to the artists and the gallery. It would be easy for me to get my artists to put out work and sell a handful but that wouldnt be good for their future. Currently my focus is on building a wider audience for the gallery, the artists i deal with currently and future artists i will work with. I think you missed my point or mixed up my message, I was not talking about you or your business at all just asking a question about a rise in these online galleries and secondary market galleries. I am not knocking your business as I have no knowledge of it to any degree to criticize it. I was referring to an onslaught of online galleries which does make it easier to have no overhead. This was a generalization made at those galleries not yours. As an artist I am confronted atleast once a month from some random new street art gallery that wants to represent me online with nothing to offer other than a internet page and some traffic that would warrant me to jump on board.
My apologies, in that case i agree wholeheartedly, it would be a much easier life to have a website gallery but i love working alongside artists, getting to know them and watching them work gives a great insight into their mindset and what they produce and why. Sorry Geary
Thats quite presumptious, grouping myself with online non bricks and mortar galleries and labelling it as secondary market gallery which is "easier" shows a viewpoint based on lack of knowledge. Until 2008 i held regular exhibitions with the artists i represent, with the recession adaption was needed to survive, regular exhibitions werent feasible, there wasnt the same buying power to with stain them, exhibitions will start again when i feel they will be successful, otherwise its deteramental to the artists and the gallery. It would be easy for me to get my artists to put out work and sell a handful but that wouldnt be good for their future. Currently my focus is on building a wider audience for the gallery, the artists i deal with currently and future artists i will work with. I think you missed my point or mixed up my message, I was not talking about you or your business at all just asking a question about a rise in these online galleries and secondary market galleries. I am not knocking your business as I have no knowledge of it to any degree to criticize it. I was referring to an onslaught of online galleries which does make it easier to have no overhead. This was a generalization made at those galleries not yours. As an artist I am confronted atleast once a month from some random new street art gallery that wants to represent me online with nothing to offer other than a internet page and some traffic that would warrant me to jump on board. My apologies, in that case i agree wholeheartedly, it would be a much easier life to have a website gallery but i love working alongside artists, getting to know them and watching them work gives a great insight into their mindset and what they produce and why. Sorry Geary |
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 9:47:26 GMT 1, As an artist I am confronted atleast once a month from some random new street art gallery that wants to represent me online with nothing to offer other than a internet page and some traffic that would warrant me to jump on board.
Do you reckon art is different to any other commodity?, we can all think it up in our minds but why do we need to physically see it?.
As an artist I am confronted atleast once a month from some random new street art gallery that wants to represent me online with nothing to offer other than a internet page and some traffic that would warrant me to jump on board. Like the property market with Estate Agents / Rightmove etc. and many other products that we actually need to survive?. Do you reckon art is different to any other commodity?, we can all think it up in our minds but why do we need to physically see it?. |
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This Is Money., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 10:01:32 GMT 1, It's a very nice article and a very nice gallery.
There used to be a place called Athena art where one could buy all the latest trends and funny quirky posters.
It looks like todays version is the same with the addition that the sales pitch goes something like.
This is no ordinary poster, this is a screen print. Do you know what a screenptint is.
It's really an original painting done by real artist in a studio and its painted with a squidy which is really a paintbrush but it's a special brush and it's all done by hand and sometimes it's done in different colors which makes it a lot more work and it's better than painting because it's a screenprint.
Did you know that Andy Warhol made screenprints and they are Worth millions and our screenprints are really Andy Warhols but done by living artists which is better because you can hang out with living artists.
Thats why they are expensive because they are really really good.
It's a very nice article and a very nice gallery.
There used to be a place called Athena art where one could buy all the latest trends and funny quirky posters.
It looks like todays version is the same with the addition that the sales pitch goes something like.
This is no ordinary poster, this is a screen print. Do you know what a screenptint is.
It's really an original painting done by real artist in a studio and its painted with a squidy which is really a paintbrush but it's a special brush and it's all done by hand and sometimes it's done in different colors which makes it a lot more work and it's better than painting because it's a screenprint.
Did you know that Andy Warhol made screenprints and they are Worth millions and our screenprints are really Andy Warhols but done by living artists which is better because you can hang out with living artists.
Thats why they are expensive because they are really really good.
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This Is Money., by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Mar 2, 2015 10:04:48 GMT 1, As an artist I am confronted atleast once a month from some random new street art gallery that wants to represent me online with nothing to offer other than a internet page and some traffic that would warrant me to jump on board. Like the property market with Estate Agents / Rightmove etc. and many other products that we actually need to survive?. Do you reckon art is different to any other commodity?, we can all think it up in our minds but why do we need to physically see it?.
Back to Art, I get it the internet is great for artists to sell work especially with the advent of instagram and social media. That being said it seems these collectors/galleries who have figured out a way to contact artists and build a website think hey 50% commission is way too much lets charge less and try to take some of the artists from brick and mortar. Or lets just make a site that lets artists sell direct to me this is the age we live in and we cant go back in time and wish for this to go away. Its not going to change and its a issue many will deal with galleries, artists etc.
I think most people dont need to see a work of art online anymore or be in person to make a purchase this forum is a testament to that. But one thing that will always remain the same is that the gallery system will stick around for some time even if this new age of internet weeds out some of the pretenders. Its natural economics for technology to disrupt but in this case I dont see it killing all galleries. Those galleries that have gained their collectors trust, and who have shown to their artists that they have there best interest at stake will make due. It is much harder to sell to a genre like urban art that knows what they want and dont need much in the way of being educated on what or who they are buying. Most people buy what they want or what they like, which is ok but as collectors gain experience they will learn from this and seek council from the people they trust in the business. I think this is where the Gallery comes into play as they invest big money into making shows happen and regardless if its worth 50% they put something on the line when they believe in an artist.
This is bigger conversation I guess and those that know get it, those that see short term will do things there way and might have success and they might not. No one has it all figured out, I can believe 100% in an artist but If I cant convey that message to sales then its a bad situation for the artist. I think also that the higher you go up in the gallery system the more exclusive it is and the harder it is to obtain pieces from top tier artists as galleries just wont let anyone buy there artists work. I think Urban art is far from that but we are seeing some artists with a huge waiting list and collectors not being able to get a piece even from a gallery as the galleries give maybe loyal collectors first choice. And most these artists wont work for a commission which is tough on buyers.
The commission thing also is a new phenomena again and I am curious to here peoples stories on those artists that commission artists vs artists that dont do commissions.
As an artist I am confronted atleast once a month from some random new street art gallery that wants to represent me online with nothing to offer other than a internet page and some traffic that would warrant me to jump on board. Like the property market with Estate Agents / Rightmove etc. and many other products that we actually need to survive?. Do you reckon art is different to any other commodity?, we can all think it up in our minds but why do we need to physically see it?. Yes in the States Websites are taking a fair amount of sales from agents through websites like Redfin etc, the problem is they are using agents that work to get businesses data and then bait and switching internet users to make it look like its their agent that is selling the home and the buyers dont know any better. Thats a whole other story, but you still have to go to a house walk through it and see the neighborhood or the dump that is in the backyard but not taken a photo of. Even Google maps cant tell you the neighborhood smells likes a meatfactory. Back to Art, I get it the internet is great for artists to sell work especially with the advent of instagram and social media. That being said it seems these collectors/galleries who have figured out a way to contact artists and build a website think hey 50% commission is way too much lets charge less and try to take some of the artists from brick and mortar. Or lets just make a site that lets artists sell direct to me this is the age we live in and we cant go back in time and wish for this to go away. Its not going to change and its a issue many will deal with galleries, artists etc. I think most people dont need to see a work of art online anymore or be in person to make a purchase this forum is a testament to that. But one thing that will always remain the same is that the gallery system will stick around for some time even if this new age of internet weeds out some of the pretenders. Its natural economics for technology to disrupt but in this case I dont see it killing all galleries. Those galleries that have gained their collectors trust, and who have shown to their artists that they have there best interest at stake will make due. It is much harder to sell to a genre like urban art that knows what they want and dont need much in the way of being educated on what or who they are buying. Most people buy what they want or what they like, which is ok but as collectors gain experience they will learn from this and seek council from the people they trust in the business. I think this is where the Gallery comes into play as they invest big money into making shows happen and regardless if its worth 50% they put something on the line when they believe in an artist. This is bigger conversation I guess and those that know get it, those that see short term will do things there way and might have success and they might not. No one has it all figured out, I can believe 100% in an artist but If I cant convey that message to sales then its a bad situation for the artist. I think also that the higher you go up in the gallery system the more exclusive it is and the harder it is to obtain pieces from top tier artists as galleries just wont let anyone buy there artists work. I think Urban art is far from that but we are seeing some artists with a huge waiting list and collectors not being able to get a piece even from a gallery as the galleries give maybe loyal collectors first choice. And most these artists wont work for a commission which is tough on buyers. The commission thing also is a new phenomena again and I am curious to here peoples stories on those artists that commission artists vs artists that dont do commissions. |
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