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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by daveart on Jan 27, 2015 17:25:43 GMT 1, <EDITED for feedback received ! >
Some of you may not remember back in early 200's Urban art was fighting to 'be accepted' to be 'recognized' , etc.. Auction houses were shy to even carry some of the new artists and then slowly a few artists started to be recognized... so i was thinking.. what are the top 5-10 moments along the way from 200X - 2015 .. and is this auction tomorrow another major moment..
Some key moments along the way -(you may think of others of course .. add them in ...)
a. Preceeding it all ... Santa's Ghetto Shows.. great addition to the list to bring in the new era of artists to the existing street/urban/graffiti scene. I would add.... maybe first new generation of artists that had the internet for promotion purposes?
1. 200X -- Urban Art auctions popped up along the way and - guess what? pretty successful.. Drewatts was one of the first wasnt it ?( i still have the Drewatts 2008 PDF from the auction.. like a dolt i bought nothing)
2. Fairey Obama HOPE Poster 2008 (RIGHT> geez. i should have thought of that)
3. Tate Modern Show .. 2008
4. Banksy Village Pet Store 2008
5. 2008 - Cans Festival, London
6. Banksy Bristol Museum Show 2009
7. Exit Through the Gift Shop 2010
8. Jeffrey Dietch - MOCA Show .. 2011 ? LA
9. Banksy Better out than In SHow NYC 2014
is number 10 -- 2015 Lazarides at a major auction house that wouldnt have touched this in 2005 .. another important moment. Does it create a new normal establishing Urban Art as the important art form of the generation. or... is this like Hirts big solo show that marked the peak of his power. (did it? maybe i made that last sentence up)
where do you think we are now 10+ years into this ... is this a new plateau .. or is 2015 the peak moment for Urban art... and i dont mean VALUES only.. i mean.. interest in it.. new murals, new artists, etc.. new interests..
<EDITED for feedback received ! >
Some of you may not remember back in early 200's Urban art was fighting to 'be accepted' to be 'recognized' , etc.. Auction houses were shy to even carry some of the new artists and then slowly a few artists started to be recognized... so i was thinking.. what are the top 5-10 moments along the way from 200X - 2015 .. and is this auction tomorrow another major moment..
Some key moments along the way -(you may think of others of course .. add them in ...)
a. Preceeding it all ... Santa's Ghetto Shows.. great addition to the list to bring in the new era of artists to the existing street/urban/graffiti scene. I would add.... maybe first new generation of artists that had the internet for promotion purposes?
1. 200X -- Urban Art auctions popped up along the way and - guess what? pretty successful.. Drewatts was one of the first wasnt it ?( i still have the Drewatts 2008 PDF from the auction.. like a dolt i bought nothing)
2. Fairey Obama HOPE Poster 2008 (RIGHT> geez. i should have thought of that)
3. Tate Modern Show .. 2008
4. Banksy Village Pet Store 2008
5. 2008 - Cans Festival, London
6. Banksy Bristol Museum Show 2009
7. Exit Through the Gift Shop 2010
8. Jeffrey Dietch - MOCA Show .. 2011 ? LA
9. Banksy Better out than In SHow NYC 2014
is number 10 -- 2015 Lazarides at a major auction house that wouldnt have touched this in 2005 .. another important moment. Does it create a new normal establishing Urban Art as the important art form of the generation. or... is this like Hirts big solo show that marked the peak of his power. (did it? maybe i made that last sentence up)
where do you think we are now 10+ years into this ... is this a new plateau .. or is 2015 the peak moment for Urban art... and i dont mean VALUES only.. i mean.. interest in it.. new murals, new artists, etc.. new interests..
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Oski
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Oski on Jan 27, 2015 18:19:37 GMT 1, Street art had its start from the early 80s if not the late 70s, but became more widespread in the 90s as it was happening organically in major cities such as London and NYC. It was inherently marketing itself through continued exposure on the streets (Obey's anti-propaganda propaganda). First shows were ad hoc events in warehouses and lofts in the late 90s/early 00s here in NYC and tied to skate, hip hop, urban culture. As the promoters became more successful, they opened galleries (Jonathan LeVine NYC, Steve Lazarides London, etc.) as the artists they represented entered the broader consciousness (Fairey, Banksy, etc.). I think you need to add Banksy's "Barely Legal" show in LA in 2006 and Fairey's Obama "Hope" poster among your milestones above. Fine art collectors looking for the emerging trends gravitated to the street art aesthetic. Then museums and auction houses lent legitimacy to the street/urban art movement through their successful shows and sales results.
I think it's a new era for street/urban art, and it is the pop art of our generation. We are seeing a seminal shift in the art market as people are abandoning classic art and 19th century art in favor of modern and contemporary works. As recently as 5 years ago, the Impressionist department at Sotheby's was the biggest and most important...no so today. There was a recent thread that polled people's age on the board and the concentration was between 30s and 40s. I believe it is because we grew up seeing street art and are now entering a period of our lives that we have the disposable income to buy art, and in the process we are shaping the collector's market. I expect in 10+ years, we will see more street/urban art as part of the permanent collections at museums and they will share wall space with the modern greats.
Street art had its start from the early 80s if not the late 70s, but became more widespread in the 90s as it was happening organically in major cities such as London and NYC. It was inherently marketing itself through continued exposure on the streets (Obey's anti-propaganda propaganda). First shows were ad hoc events in warehouses and lofts in the late 90s/early 00s here in NYC and tied to skate, hip hop, urban culture. As the promoters became more successful, they opened galleries (Jonathan LeVine NYC, Steve Lazarides London, etc.) as the artists they represented entered the broader consciousness (Fairey, Banksy, etc.). I think you need to add Banksy's "Barely Legal" show in LA in 2006 and Fairey's Obama "Hope" poster among your milestones above. Fine art collectors looking for the emerging trends gravitated to the street art aesthetic. Then museums and auction houses lent legitimacy to the street/urban art movement through their successful shows and sales results.
I think it's a new era for street/urban art, and it is the pop art of our generation. We are seeing a seminal shift in the art market as people are abandoning classic art and 19th century art in favor of modern and contemporary works. As recently as 5 years ago, the Impressionist department at Sotheby's was the biggest and most important...no so today. There was a recent thread that polled people's age on the board and the concentration was between 30s and 40s. I believe it is because we grew up seeing street art and are now entering a period of our lives that we have the disposable income to buy art, and in the process we are shaping the collector's market. I expect in 10+ years, we will see more street/urban art as part of the permanent collections at museums and they will share wall space with the modern greats.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by mojo on Jan 27, 2015 18:20:28 GMT 1, Personally the most significant moments in UK street art for me were Turf War and the annual Santa's Ghetto Shows, without those there wouldn't be any artwork that is now going into auctions under the banner Street Art/Urban Contemporary .....or whatever it's currently labelled. Much as I understand the importance of street art being recognized within the auction houses to validate it as an important art movement I find them very sterile and purely based on money and investment rather than creativity.
But hey maybe I'm just a chump! ....... or a chimp?
Personally the most significant moments in UK street art for me were Turf War and the annual Santa's Ghetto Shows, without those there wouldn't be any artwork that is now going into auctions under the banner Street Art/Urban Contemporary .....or whatever it's currently labelled. Much as I understand the importance of street art being recognized within the auction houses to validate it as an important art movement I find them very sterile and purely based on money and investment rather than creativity. But hey maybe I'm just a chump! ....... or a chimp?
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Sweetcorn
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Sweetcorn on Jan 27, 2015 18:47:33 GMT 1, way too many legal walls/murals, the scene is stale.
way too many legal walls/murals, the scene is stale.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by thesewalls on Jan 28, 2015 10:31:33 GMT 1, way too many legal walls/murals, the scene is stale. this IS the scene now. not what it used to be no doubt, fresh as ever though.
i remember when it was a big deal that people started using stencils...then it was a big deal when they started pasting...now there are more people using all 3 mediums then ever. people are pushing each other...there is serious momentum...
graffiti was born out of hip-hop culture. hip-hop got commercialized, this is just part of the process. you gotta keep digging in the crates if you want freshness. it's out there, for those who know. there was all this talk about hip-hop dying after pac and big and puff's sh*tty samples, money and ho's and whateverfuck, and now it's getting back to being raw an f*ck. i saw a mural by the low bros for the run the jewels tour. now tell me that's not fresh!
way too many legal walls/murals, the scene is stale. this IS the scene now. not what it used to be no doubt, fresh as ever though. i remember when it was a big deal that people started using stencils...then it was a big deal when they started pasting...now there are more people using all 3 mediums then ever. people are pushing each other...there is serious momentum... graffiti was born out of hip-hop culture. hip-hop got commercialized, this is just part of the process. you gotta keep digging in the crates if you want freshness. it's out there, for those who know. there was all this talk about hip-hop dying after pac and big and puff's sh*tty samples, money and ho's and whateverfuck, and now it's getting back to being raw an f*ck. i saw a mural by the low bros for the run the jewels tour. now tell me that's not fresh!
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 10:56:12 GMT 1, way too many legal walls/murals, the scene is stale. this IS the scene now. not what it used to be no doubt, fresh as ever though. i remember when it was a big deal that people started using stencils...then it was a big deal when they started pasting...now there are more people using all 3 mediums then ever. people are pushing each other...there is serious momentum... graffiti was born out of hip-hop culture. hip-hop got commercialized, this is just part of the process. you gotta keep digging in the crates if you want freshness. it's out there, for those who know. there was all this talk about hip-hop dying after pac and big and puff's sh*tty samples, money and ho's and whateverf**k, and now it's getting back to being raw an f*ck. i saw a mural by the low bros for the run the jewels tour. now tell me that's not fresh! Great response. You get out what you put in. The top 10 is what it is but the crate digging is where it's at and will always be. Respect, there's more diverse and better work out there than ever !
way too many legal walls/murals, the scene is stale. this IS the scene now. not what it used to be no doubt, fresh as ever though. i remember when it was a big deal that people started using stencils...then it was a big deal when they started pasting...now there are more people using all 3 mediums then ever. people are pushing each other...there is serious momentum... graffiti was born out of hip-hop culture. hip-hop got commercialized, this is just part of the process. you gotta keep digging in the crates if you want freshness. it's out there, for those who know. there was all this talk about hip-hop dying after pac and big and puff's sh*tty samples, money and ho's and whateverf**k, and now it's getting back to being raw an f*ck. i saw a mural by the low bros for the run the jewels tour. now tell me that's not fresh! Great response. You get out what you put in. The top 10 is what it is but the crate digging is where it's at and will always be. Respect, there's more diverse and better work out there than ever !
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 11:02:50 GMT 1, Some of you may not remember back in early 200's Urban art was fighting to 'be accepted' to be 'recognized' , etc.. Auction houses were shy to even carry some of the new artists and then slowly a few artists started to be recognized... so i was thinking.. what are the top 5-10 moments along the way from 200X - 2015 .. and is this auction tomorrow another major moment.. Some key moments along the way -(you may think of others of course .. add them in ...) 1. 200X -- Urban Art auctions popped up along the way and - guess what? pretty successful.. Drewatts was one of the first wasnt it ?( i still have the Drewatts 2008 PDF from the auction.. like a dolt i bought nothing) 2, Tate Modern Show .. 2008 3. Exit Through the Gift Shop 2010 4. Jeffrey Dietch - MOCA Show .. 2011 ? LA is number 5 -- 2015 Lazerides at a major auction house that wouldnt have touched this in 2005 .. another important moment. Does it create a new normal establishing Urban Art as the important art form of the generation. or... is this like Hirts big solo show that marked the peak of his power. (did it? maybe i made that last sentence up) where do you think we are now 10+ years into this ... is this a new plateau .. or is 2015 the peak moment for Urban art... and i dont mean VALUES only.. i mean.. interest in it.. new murals, new artists, etc.. new interests.. In the field of street and urban art there's absolutely nothing significant about the Bonham's show. Not even vaguely close to Exit..MoCA etc. It's a secondary market print show with not one significant Banksy work on show. There are even members here with far better and more significant works. Disappointed.
Some of you may not remember back in early 200's Urban art was fighting to 'be accepted' to be 'recognized' , etc.. Auction houses were shy to even carry some of the new artists and then slowly a few artists started to be recognized... so i was thinking.. what are the top 5-10 moments along the way from 200X - 2015 .. and is this auction tomorrow another major moment.. Some key moments along the way -(you may think of others of course .. add them in ...) 1. 200X -- Urban Art auctions popped up along the way and - guess what? pretty successful.. Drewatts was one of the first wasnt it ?( i still have the Drewatts 2008 PDF from the auction.. like a dolt i bought nothing) 2, Tate Modern Show .. 2008 3. Exit Through the Gift Shop 2010 4. Jeffrey Dietch - MOCA Show .. 2011 ? LA is number 5 -- 2015 Lazerides at a major auction house that wouldnt have touched this in 2005 .. another important moment. Does it create a new normal establishing Urban Art as the important art form of the generation. or... is this like Hirts big solo show that marked the peak of his power. (did it? maybe i made that last sentence up) where do you think we are now 10+ years into this ... is this a new plateau .. or is 2015 the peak moment for Urban art... and i dont mean VALUES only.. i mean.. interest in it.. new murals, new artists, etc.. new interests.. In the field of street and urban art there's absolutely nothing significant about the Bonham's show. Not even vaguely close to Exit..MoCA etc. It's a secondary market print show with not one significant Banksy work on show. There are even members here with far better and more significant works. Disappointed.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by overend on Jan 28, 2015 11:26:29 GMT 1, I would add Banksy v Bristol Museum. On purely attendance numbers it was ranked second in the UK that year and in the top 30 worldwide. Incredible numbers for a provincial museum and a real eye opener for the so called establishment.
I would add Banksy v Bristol Museum. On purely attendance numbers it was ranked second in the UK that year and in the top 30 worldwide. Incredible numbers for a provincial museum and a real eye opener for the so called establishment.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 11:40:35 GMT 1, this IS the scene now. not what it used to be no doubt, fresh as ever though. i remember when it was a big deal that people started using stencils...then it was a big deal when they started pasting...now there are more people using all 3 mediums then ever. people are pushing each other...there is serious momentum... graffiti was born out of hip-hop culture. hip-hop got commercialized, this is just part of the process. you gotta keep digging in the crates if you want freshness. it's out there, for those who know. there was all this talk about hip-hop dying after pac and big and puff's sh*tty samples, money and ho's and whateverf**k, and now it's getting back to being raw an f*ck. i saw a mural by the low bros for the run the jewels tour. now tell me that's not fresh! Great response. You get out what you put in. The top 10 is what it is but the crate digging is where it's at and will always be. Respect, there's more diverse and better work out there than ever ! Hooray! Two positive posts outnumbering the negativity! More please!
this IS the scene now. not what it used to be no doubt, fresh as ever though. i remember when it was a big deal that people started using stencils...then it was a big deal when they started pasting...now there are more people using all 3 mediums then ever. people are pushing each other...there is serious momentum... graffiti was born out of hip-hop culture. hip-hop got commercialized, this is just part of the process. you gotta keep digging in the crates if you want freshness. it's out there, for those who know. there was all this talk about hip-hop dying after pac and big and puff's sh*tty samples, money and ho's and whateverf**k, and now it's getting back to being raw an f*ck. i saw a mural by the low bros for the run the jewels tour. now tell me that's not fresh! Great response. You get out what you put in. The top 10 is what it is but the crate digging is where it's at and will always be. Respect, there's more diverse and better work out there than ever ! Hooray! Two positive posts outnumbering the negativity! More please!
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 12:09:51 GMT 1, If you're talking about the well known so called bigger names.
One can take the words of Banksy regarding advertising that he wrote a few years ago. Which some said he took from some other person who wrote something similar before him.
Street art is or was rebellion and against advertising and what do we have today.
Nowadays it seems that the better know street artists are all about exhibitions and churning out ltd editions in various mass marketing campaigns.
Where their sprayed, stencilled or painted efforts on outside walls of buildings etc are mostly done with permission and nothing more than adverts for their brand.
Street art has become what it rebelled against, and become advertising. Artists now make art outside to advertise their brand and exhibition and prints and all sorts of other merchandise.
Making money for gallery owners agents and other festival organisers.
Street art has become very thin skinned too, not liking any form of criticism of the brand caring only about the $ value of the brand.
If you're talking about the well known so called bigger names.
One can take the words of Banksy regarding advertising that he wrote a few years ago. Which some said he took from some other person who wrote something similar before him.
Street art is or was rebellion and against advertising and what do we have today.
Nowadays it seems that the better know street artists are all about exhibitions and churning out ltd editions in various mass marketing campaigns.
Where their sprayed, stencilled or painted efforts on outside walls of buildings etc are mostly done with permission and nothing more than adverts for their brand.
Street art has become what it rebelled against, and become advertising. Artists now make art outside to advertise their brand and exhibition and prints and all sorts of other merchandise.
Making money for gallery owners agents and other festival organisers.
Street art has become very thin skinned too, not liking any form of criticism of the brand caring only about the $ value of the brand.
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Dr Plip
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Dr Plip on Jan 28, 2015 12:19:14 GMT 1, I always liked this quote from the Time Out interview with Banksy.
'It's hard to know what "selling out" means - these days you can make more money producing a run of anti-McDonald's posters than you can make designing actual posters for McDonald's.
'I tell myself I use art to promote dissent, but maybe I am just using dissent to promote my art. I plead not guilty to selling out. But I plead it from a bigger house than I used to live in.'
I always liked this quote from the Time Out interview with Banksy.
'It's hard to know what "selling out" means - these days you can make more money producing a run of anti-McDonald's posters than you can make designing actual posters for McDonald's.
'I tell myself I use art to promote dissent, but maybe I am just using dissent to promote my art. I plead not guilty to selling out. But I plead it from a bigger house than I used to live in.'
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 14:23:09 GMT 1, Banksy was very late in the game yet he changed it drastically. I worked for an urban gallery in the late 90's in San Francisco and the scene was developing rapidly. In 1996 I'd see Twist characters on rooftops, with obey posters, beautiful and mean Revok burners beside Retna, Saber, etc. Mars-1 was putting up wheat pastes then, Misk1 rocking 3d pieces, and of course Mike Giant when not crafting think skateboards graphics, would be bombing the city like crazy. Galleries like 111 minna were game changers in our city, future primitive parties with doze green rocking live on scaffold. It started in the 70s but in my opinion the 90s was a golden era, until about 2010 when it shifted again. Now I think we're living in the most important era of graffiti and street art.
In our gallery in 97-98ish we showed Futura, Stash, leeQ, SSUR, Phil Frost, Nesm, kostas, Mars, Misk, Sharpe, espo, and many others while kaws, FC crew and people like Ricky Powell were inspiring NYC.
There's a vast history that inspired Banksy.
Call this shameless self promotion, but I've taken that raw history of SF, brought it to Toronto and am still throwing major urban arts events. If you haven't been, take a look. www.hxfour.com/dos/ #noshame #keepbombing
Banksy was very late in the game yet he changed it drastically. I worked for an urban gallery in the late 90's in San Francisco and the scene was developing rapidly. In 1996 I'd see Twist characters on rooftops, with obey posters, beautiful and mean Revok burners beside Retna, Saber, etc. Mars-1 was putting up wheat pastes then, Misk1 rocking 3d pieces, and of course Mike Giant when not crafting think skateboards graphics, would be bombing the city like crazy. Galleries like 111 minna were game changers in our city, future primitive parties with doze green rocking live on scaffold. It started in the 70s but in my opinion the 90s was a golden era, until about 2010 when it shifted again. Now I think we're living in the most important era of graffiti and street art. In our gallery in 97-98ish we showed Futura, Stash, leeQ, SSUR, Phil Frost, Nesm, kostas, Mars, Misk, Sharpe, espo, and many others while kaws, FC crew and people like Ricky Powell were inspiring NYC. There's a vast history that inspired Banksy. Call this shameless self promotion, but I've taken that raw history of SF, brought it to Toronto and am still throwing major urban arts events. If you haven't been, take a look. www.hxfour.com/dos/ #noshame #keepbombing
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Sweetcorn on Jan 28, 2015 14:27:43 GMT 1, i give more respect to the vandal that comes along with a fire extingusher and tags over the pretty mural some poncey artist spent all week doing, up in a hired mewp in a shiny new high viz vest..
i give more respect to the vandal that comes along with a fire extingusher and tags over the pretty mural some poncey artist spent all week doing, up in a hired mewp in a shiny new high viz vest..
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by daveart on Jan 28, 2015 15:13:25 GMT 1, Hey all... great feedback so far.. thank you ! I edited the list above .. hopefully I got everything
Nuart Festival - I agree the body of work there isnt earth shattering.. it's more that 10 + years ago there wasnt a Bonhams, Sothebys, Christies, major gallery network for the current artists.. and now It's so main stream that Bonhams is a player in Urban art. So .. is this a moment where we see people look back and say remember when Bonhams did the Lazerides show and right before that there was the Sothebys show... etc.
Honestly .. 10 years ago .. i was just buying some of this new urban art because it was cool and cheap. if i had the money i would have been buying Harings and Warhols.. and now .. poof.. banksy, kaws, etc.. not a huge price difference now anyway.
I have seen the transformation of Wynwood in Miami over the last 10 years. 5+ years ago people would scare you from even going down there. now its all nice and lots of paid for walls, etc. i'll go with the side of that is OK for the scene. A lot of the artists are fantastic whether it is paid for or illegal and i give credit to anyone that will stand in the sun/snow/whatever and pour their soul out on a wall for everyone to see. but yes, definitely a big change from 5-10 years ago. i think it also lets in Swoon, Hayuk, etc.. and other female artists that have gained recognition
Hey all... great feedback so far.. thank you ! I edited the list above .. hopefully I got everything
Nuart Festival - I agree the body of work there isnt earth shattering.. it's more that 10 + years ago there wasnt a Bonhams, Sothebys, Christies, major gallery network for the current artists.. and now It's so main stream that Bonhams is a player in Urban art. So .. is this a moment where we see people look back and say remember when Bonhams did the Lazerides show and right before that there was the Sothebys show... etc.
Honestly .. 10 years ago .. i was just buying some of this new urban art because it was cool and cheap. if i had the money i would have been buying Harings and Warhols.. and now .. poof.. banksy, kaws, etc.. not a huge price difference now anyway.
I have seen the transformation of Wynwood in Miami over the last 10 years. 5+ years ago people would scare you from even going down there. now its all nice and lots of paid for walls, etc. i'll go with the side of that is OK for the scene. A lot of the artists are fantastic whether it is paid for or illegal and i give credit to anyone that will stand in the sun/snow/whatever and pour their soul out on a wall for everyone to see. but yes, definitely a big change from 5-10 years ago. i think it also lets in Swoon, Hayuk, etc.. and other female artists that have gained recognition
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by mmmike on Jan 28, 2015 15:34:31 GMT 1, Banksy was very late in the game yet he changed it drastically. I worked for an urban gallery in the late 90's in San Francisco and the scene was developing rapidly. In 1996 I'd see Twist characters on rooftops, with obey posters, beautiful and mean Revok burners beside Retna, Saber, etc. Mars-1 was putting up wheat pastes then, Misk1 rocking 3d pieces, and of course Mike Giant when not crafting think skateboards graphics, would be bombing the city like crazy. Galleries like 111 minna were game changers in our city, future primitive parties with doze green rocking live on scaffold. It started in the 70s but in my opinion the 90s was a golden era, until about 2010 when it shifted again. Now I think we're living in the most important era of graffiti and street art. In our gallery in 97-98ish we showed Futura, Stash, leeQ, SSUR, Phil Frost, Nesm, kostas, Mars, Misk, Sharpe, espo, and many others while kaws, FC crew and people like Ricky Powell were inspiring NYC. There's a vast history that inspired Banksy. Call this shameless self promotion, but I've taken that raw history of SF, brought it to Toronto and am still throwing major urban arts events. If you haven't been, take a look. www.hxfour.com/dos/ #noshame #keepbombing I have to disagree with a lot of what you are saying here. Looks like the late 90s were the most fun for you but in terms of street art the 70s and 80s were clearly the time. Just look at the names you listed for your 90s shows, all the big names were from the 80s. Not to say nothing was going on in the 90s or more recently but come on, the trains, Haring, Basquiat plus the names you names you listed. the 2000s to the present is more about the commercialisation of street art. Mr. Brainwash, that Sandra what's her name who are wildly popular just by taking popular images and mashing them together. People think they can make a buck off them and confuse themselves into thinking they are good. Dolk, Martin Watson and the rest recycling the same tired images over and over again because they continue to sell. (I'd do the same if I were them but that wouldn't make me a great or important artist).
Don't get me wrong there are some cool things going on but I don't think the last ten years will be considered an important time in street art.
Banksy was very late in the game yet he changed it drastically. I worked for an urban gallery in the late 90's in San Francisco and the scene was developing rapidly. In 1996 I'd see Twist characters on rooftops, with obey posters, beautiful and mean Revok burners beside Retna, Saber, etc. Mars-1 was putting up wheat pastes then, Misk1 rocking 3d pieces, and of course Mike Giant when not crafting think skateboards graphics, would be bombing the city like crazy. Galleries like 111 minna were game changers in our city, future primitive parties with doze green rocking live on scaffold. It started in the 70s but in my opinion the 90s was a golden era, until about 2010 when it shifted again. Now I think we're living in the most important era of graffiti and street art. In our gallery in 97-98ish we showed Futura, Stash, leeQ, SSUR, Phil Frost, Nesm, kostas, Mars, Misk, Sharpe, espo, and many others while kaws, FC crew and people like Ricky Powell were inspiring NYC. There's a vast history that inspired Banksy. Call this shameless self promotion, but I've taken that raw history of SF, brought it to Toronto and am still throwing major urban arts events. If you haven't been, take a look. www.hxfour.com/dos/ #noshame #keepbombing I have to disagree with a lot of what you are saying here. Looks like the late 90s were the most fun for you but in terms of street art the 70s and 80s were clearly the time. Just look at the names you listed for your 90s shows, all the big names were from the 80s. Not to say nothing was going on in the 90s or more recently but come on, the trains, Haring, Basquiat plus the names you names you listed. the 2000s to the present is more about the commercialisation of street art. Mr. Brainwash, that Sandra what's her name who are wildly popular just by taking popular images and mashing them together. People think they can make a buck off them and confuse themselves into thinking they are good. Dolk, Martin Watson and the rest recycling the same tired images over and over again because they continue to sell. (I'd do the same if I were them but that wouldn't make me a great or important artist). Don't get me wrong there are some cool things going on but I don't think the last ten years will be considered an important time in street art.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by motor on Jan 28, 2015 15:47:35 GMT 1, for me few more:
early 2000 - Deitch projects, NYC 2006 - 11 Spring St. Instalation, NYC 2006 - Spank the Monkey, Baltic centre for Contemporary art, Gateshead 2008 - Cans Festival, London
As for this auction, I am really impressed that Steve (for many, relatively small fish in the pond) managed to pull two big Banksy (mostly private collection) sales in two out three major auction houses within few months apart. Respect.
for me few more:
early 2000 - Deitch projects, NYC 2006 - 11 Spring St. Instalation, NYC 2006 - Spank the Monkey, Baltic centre for Contemporary art, Gateshead 2008 - Cans Festival, London
As for this auction, I am really impressed that Steve (for many, relatively small fish in the pond) managed to pull two big Banksy (mostly private collection) sales in two out three major auction houses within few months apart. Respect.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Winter on Jan 28, 2015 15:47:51 GMT 1, I'm not convinced this is a major event, just a bloke selling some prints at auction. He's still holding on to the good stuff.
I'm not convinced this is a major event, just a bloke selling some prints at auction. He's still holding on to the good stuff.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 15:50:30 GMT 1, Mmmike: you're naming artists known widely on this board only. Dolk, whatson, etc. I don't consider them anything at all. Put them in a known gallery and see what happens.
Nychos, Retna, curiot, Nosego, Borondo, banksy, faith47, daleast, vans the omega, revok, roids, herakut, Hayuk, madC, odeith, and so many more are opening cans never seen before. It's a very exciting time if you take a minute to not be influenced by print sales.
Mmmike: you're naming artists known widely on this board only. Dolk, whatson, etc. I don't consider them anything at all. Put them in a known gallery and see what happens.
Nychos, Retna, curiot, Nosego, Borondo, banksy, faith47, daleast, vans the omega, revok, roids, herakut, Hayuk, madC, odeith, and so many more are opening cans never seen before. It's a very exciting time if you take a minute to not be influenced by print sales.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by yoyosh on Jan 28, 2015 15:51:20 GMT 1, Really great post daveart. Interesting to read the differing perspectives from all over the world. Personally while I enjoy the "rawness" of 70s/80s street art and the hip hop culture that it was centered around, I think we're experiencing a boom of creativity from all corners of the world. Whether or not the walls are drawn on legally or illegally doesn't affect my enjoyment of the art.
Really great post daveart. Interesting to read the differing perspectives from all over the world. Personally while I enjoy the "rawness" of 70s/80s street art and the hip hop culture that it was centered around, I think we're experiencing a boom of creativity from all corners of the world. Whether or not the walls are drawn on legally or illegally doesn't affect my enjoyment of the art.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 16:12:14 GMT 1, for me few more: early 2000 - Deitch projects, NYC 2006 - 11 Spring St. Instalation, NYC 2006 - Spank the Monkey, Baltic centre for Contemporary art, Gateshead 2008 - Cans Festival, London As for this auction, I am really impressed that Steve (for many, relatively small fish in the pond) managed to pull two big Banksy (mostly private collection) sales in two out three major auction houses within few months apart. Respect. Do you think he will pull that old trick of bidding on his own items again?
for me few more: early 2000 - Deitch projects, NYC 2006 - 11 Spring St. Instalation, NYC 2006 - Spank the Monkey, Baltic centre for Contemporary art, Gateshead 2008 - Cans Festival, London As for this auction, I am really impressed that Steve (for many, relatively small fish in the pond) managed to pull two big Banksy (mostly private collection) sales in two out three major auction houses within few months apart. Respect. Do you think he will pull that old trick of bidding on his own items again?
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 16:18:01 GMT 1, Few more to add
Kelsey Castle 2007 Banksy Village Pet Store 2008
Few more to add
Kelsey Castle 2007 Banksy Village Pet Store 2008
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 17:18:56 GMT 1, For a look at where it's been and where it might be going, the essays from the Nuart conference make interesting reading.
www.nuartfestival.no/nuart-plus/program-2014
There's a large and obvious difference between the US and European tradition of Street Art that's worth exploring. The US from the 70's with Graffiti, 60's if being pedantic, but certainyl following the "concept" of Cornbread and putting the artist at the center with a focus on form. The European tradition and the French "Situationist" movement, the inspiratiion for punk, pre-empt Graffiti by some decades and is generally built around a more social/concept & political activism based foundation, but fundamentally the same, painting text on unsanctioned walls. I'd say the likes of Darius and Downey, Swoon, Obey and the early New York school out of the Pratt institute, are far more influenced by the European tradition. The recent crass shift of focus to going big, commissioned murals, new muralism, hip hop and graffiti is just the old guard capitalizing on "Street Art's" popularity, capitalism at it's finest. The new breed (alongside the likes of Dface etc) have been influenced far more by the Americanisation of "Street Art" than is perhaps healthy.
The likes of Escif, Blu, Hyuro, Maismenos, Vhils, Fra Biancoshock, Mathieu Tremblin, Brad Downey, Ian Strange aka Kid Zoom, Low Bros, Borondo, Ernest Zacharevic and many others continue to push things in interesting directions, on the street.
For a look at where it's been and where it might be going, the essays from the Nuart conference make interesting reading. www.nuartfestival.no/nuart-plus/program-2014There's a large and obvious difference between the US and European tradition of Street Art that's worth exploring. The US from the 70's with Graffiti, 60's if being pedantic, but certainyl following the "concept" of Cornbread and putting the artist at the center with a focus on form. The European tradition and the French "Situationist" movement, the inspiratiion for punk, pre-empt Graffiti by some decades and is generally built around a more social/concept & political activism based foundation, but fundamentally the same, painting text on unsanctioned walls. I'd say the likes of Darius and Downey, Swoon, Obey and the early New York school out of the Pratt institute, are far more influenced by the European tradition. The recent crass shift of focus to going big, commissioned murals, new muralism, hip hop and graffiti is just the old guard capitalizing on "Street Art's" popularity, capitalism at it's finest. The new breed (alongside the likes of Dface etc) have been influenced far more by the Americanisation of "Street Art" than is perhaps healthy. The likes of Escif, Blu, Hyuro, Maismenos, Vhils, Fra Biancoshock, Mathieu Tremblin, Brad Downey, Ian Strange aka Kid Zoom, Low Bros, Borondo, Ernest Zacharevic and many others continue to push things in interesting directions, on the street.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by daveart on Jan 28, 2015 17:54:59 GMT 1, You guys know a crap ton more about art and art history than I do
but hey Nuart .. you say this 'Swoon, Obey and the early New York school out of the Pratt institute, are far more influenced by the European tradition.' ... but those artists are also doing big installation murals and I have to think at this point getting paid for it ? i know nothing about how that works.
Does anyone know... when Hayuk and Fairey , DFACe, Hush show up to do big walls in Wynwood or the bowery wall... do they get paid ? or is that just a chance for them to market themselves so they do it for free ... and get the benefit later..... its a lot of work i would think so i dont mind them making whatever they can on it.
You guys know a crap ton more about art and art history than I do but hey Nuart .. you say this 'Swoon, Obey and the early New York school out of the Pratt institute, are far more influenced by the European tradition.' ... but those artists are also doing big installation murals and I have to think at this point getting paid for it ? i know nothing about how that works. Does anyone know... when Hayuk and Fairey , DFACe, Hush show up to do big walls in Wynwood or the bowery wall... do they get paid ? or is that just a chance for them to market themselves so they do it for free ... and get the benefit later..... its a lot of work i would think so i dont mind them making whatever they can on it.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by daveart on Jan 28, 2015 17:58:53 GMT 1, ok, filled up spaces 1- 9 for how we got from where we were to where we are now. If you want to put in a top 10 moment for the scene now you have to say which one to remove.... leaving #10 open for the future... that is either happening today.. or happening somewhere out there .
How about the banksy / Simpsons thing.. that surely got banksy's name to a lot of people that had never heard of him.. ?
ok, filled up spaces 1- 9 for how we got from where we were to where we are now. If you want to put in a top 10 moment for the scene now you have to say which one to remove.... leaving #10 open for the future... that is either happening today.. or happening somewhere out there .
How about the banksy / Simpsons thing.. that surely got banksy's name to a lot of people that had never heard of him.. ?
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 18:18:32 GMT 1, Historically, these are a few significant landmarks in the 2000's
Beautiful Losers Barnstormers Fame Festival Blu's first animation, MUTO and his "going big" Spank the Monkey in Gateshead, the first "curated" institution show Backjumps Event Melbourne 2000-03 Stencil Revolution website Santa's Ghetto "Bethlehem" Turf War Wooster Collective
Historically, these are a few significant landmarks in the 2000's
Beautiful Losers Barnstormers Fame Festival Blu's first animation, MUTO and his "going big" Spank the Monkey in Gateshead, the first "curated" institution show Backjumps Event Melbourne 2000-03 Stencil Revolution website Santa's Ghetto "Bethlehem" Turf War Wooster Collective
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 18:27:10 GMT 1, The dithers DVD from Upper Playground put alot of people on the map, and eventually inspired facebook to hire Choe... then theres that landmark. $$$$
www.amazon.com/Dithers-Cutting-Underground-Across-Nation/dp/B00061QIY0
Upper Playground in itself has played a big role for the likes of introducing Sam Flores, David Choe, Grey, Jeremy Fish among others.
The dithers DVD from Upper Playground put alot of people on the map, and eventually inspired facebook to hire Choe... then theres that landmark. $$$$ www.amazon.com/Dithers-Cutting-Underground-Across-Nation/dp/B00061QIY0Upper Playground in itself has played a big role for the likes of introducing Sam Flores, David Choe, Grey, Jeremy Fish among others.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by yoyosh on Jan 28, 2015 21:24:52 GMT 1, $6000 GBP for the suitcase full of emphemera!!!?!?! WOW!
$6000 GBP for the suitcase full of emphemera!!!?!?! WOW!
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by alittle on Jan 28, 2015 21:25:47 GMT 1, Please edit the title. The spelling mistake has been driving me nuts all day.
Please edit the title. The spelling mistake has been driving me nuts all day.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 21:28:57 GMT 1, In a nutshell, whats the thread about?.
In a nutshell, whats the thread about?.
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Jan 28th Lazarides Auction..., by daveart on Jan 28, 2015 22:11:34 GMT 1, Please edit the title. The spelling mistake has been driving me nuts all day. ahh.. good point.. LazErides changed to LazArides.. hope that helps ya sleep tonight
Please edit the title. The spelling mistake has been driving me nuts all day. ahh.. good point.. LazErides changed to LazArides.. hope that helps ya sleep tonight
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