[Collection 1]

What do you think guys about that.If someone is hired to do a mural does he need to be there or it could be done by his assistant?

news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/15/when-prominent-u-s-artists-get-23000-to-paint-a-mural-in-toronto-we-expect-them-to-actually-do-it-themselves/

[dreadnatty]

Oct 17, 2013 4:29:05 GMT 1 Collection 1 said:

What do you think guys about that.If someone is hired to do a mural does he need to be there or it could be done by his assistant?

news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/15/when-prominent-u-s-artists-get-23000-to-paint-a-mural-in-toronto-we-expect-them-to-actually-do-it-themselves/

Same thing here-->

 “Given the time limit with the Dallas show coming up, there was no way to make it all work,” Miller explained. While Miller and McNeil painted sections of the Faile-designed mural themselves, they handed much of the large-scale manual labor over to Colossal."

With some major help from Colossal Media, street art duo FAILE painted this large mural on the side of what used to be the "Record Plant,"

www.animalnewyork.com/2013/failes-record-plant-mural-is-done/

www.complex.com/art-design/2013/09/faile-record-plant-mural-in-hells-kitchen

[kbfrombk]

Whoops!

Maybe $23K only gets psedo-Faile...? If Pat/Pat drew up & designed & laid out the mural, I guess that basically counts, IMO?

It's not like they're commissioning Banksy to do a canvas, and want to make sure he's the one actually holding the stencil and spray can --- right?

Definitely think it's a bigger deal with the Brooklyn vs. local talent debate; how many more than 1 single artist could $23,000 have been used for, utilizing local artists and therefor reinforcing morale and 'community' sense?

Instead, now there's just a massive Brooklyn piece begging for an Omaring aka completely missing the point of the anti-graffiti grants from the getgo.

[nah]

to me a large part of how acceptable this is depends on whether or not the piece meets their usual standards. if you've trained an assistant to the point they basically paint with your hand... what's the difference?

[stvro22]

We know what happened the last time the Patrick's actually tried to paint something themselves. (See past Laz Show). Can't screenprint a cement wall.

[otomi]

depends on whats in the contract

looks like a "journalist" playing to local patriotism

they wanted a Faile mural and they got one

considering what canvases go for a great deal

[LAZAKY]

I think that when you pay for a Faile wall you deserve to get a Faile Wall!
i can understand that artist could not be everywhere at the same time and have many many things to do, but it seems that a few artists don't do anymore walls at all! 
How Faile don't do walls, even in there own city while JR is traveling all over the world to paste his portraits? 
www.streetartnews.net/2013/09/street-art-by-faile-in-new-york-city.html

check this company who already done walls for Greg Lamarche, faile, Barry macgee and... Banksy
colossalmedia.com/work/

[Martin DK]

Nice to see a danish intern at Faile. Well done Ms. Skou Nielsen!

[mmmike]

I'm glad I didn't know about this or I would have gone over while it was being painted and been very disappointed.

[BKBOI]

So many Hirst paintings and Jeff Koons OG's selling for tons of money without the artist even touching it.... well maybe to sign the work. Been an acceptable practice in modern art.

[randomname]

It's kind of like hiring a band to play a gig and they turn around and send a cover band. It might look the same, but it's not the real thing.

[vinzc]

Oct 17, 2013 14:49:47 GMT 1 randomname said:

It's kind of like hiring a band to play a gig and they turn around and send a cover band. It might look the same, but it's not the real thing.

i tend to be more in agreement with BKBOI on this one...

but that's a great analogy...it does make you think twice. 

[mmmike]

Oct 17, 2013 14:43:26 GMT 1 BKBOI said:

So many Hirst paintings and Jeff Koons OG's selling for tons of money without the artist even touching it.... well maybe to sign the work. Been an acceptable practice in modern art.

True but I expect more from street artists.

[Deleted]

Nope not on in my eyes.

I also don't agree with artists like Hirst, Koons and the ever awful Mr Brainwash not doing their own stuff.

If its under your name then you have to do all of it!

[Deleted]

I think they just got fooled ! Next time, they better stipulate it in the agreement that they want the real guy and pay a bit more.

But then, as said above, are there any artists in Canada ?

[vinzc]

Oct 17, 2013 4:36:08 GMT 1 dreadnatty said:

Oct 17, 2013 4:29:05 GMT 1 Collection 1 said:

What do you think guys about that.If someone is hired to do a mural does he need to be there or it could be done by his assistant?

news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/15/when-prominent-u-s-artists-get-23000-to-paint-a-mural-in-toronto-we-expect-them-to-actually-do-it-themselves/

Same thing here-->

 “Given the time limit with the Dallas show coming up, there was no way to make it all work,” Miller explained. While Miller and McNeil painted sections of the Faile-designed mural themselves, they handed much of the large-scale manual labor over to Colossal."

With some major help from Colossal Media, street art duo FAILE painted this large mural on the side of what used to be the "Record Plant,"

www.animalnewyork.com/2013/failes-record-plant-mural-is-done/

www.complex.com/art-design/2013/09/faile-record-plant-mural-in-hells-kitchen

hopefully that then means they have some other big projects in the works?  i remember watching (i think from an offset interview) a while back that they had some big stuff coming up in berlin this fall?  dont know if that's still happening.  also, they're likely putting a fair amount of time into the miami show coming up.

[disdig1]

they said they were focused on delux flux 2 with bast for art basel in miami this year. haven't heard anything about berlin.

[pelle]

Oct 17, 2013 15:59:57 GMT 1 @ling said:

One of the Patricks is Canadian isn't he?

Yes.

[kbfrombk]

Oct 17, 2013 16:49:12 GMT 1 @ling said:

I don't see a problem really.

The Patricks will have designed the piece, probably set down some outlines and planned the colour schemes.

Interns are painting by numbers.

also, isn't FAILE a 'cooperative' effort?

if i had commissioned Jeremy Geddes to do a painting for me, and then found out he doled it out to a student of his - or his wife - i would be rightly mad.

would people be angry to find out that shepard fairey didn't personally pull screens or press 'Print' buttons on their $50 Obey releases?   *obv. exclude the special ones i.e. Risk/Cope2/HPM, etc.

[Hairbland]

Seems ok to me, installations set up according to artists' plans common. And while "street artists" once, they have grown to museum shows and the NYC Ballet. Do people really expect them to hang out there for a week painting a highway wall? Get real.

[mmmike]

Oct 17, 2013 15:58:58 GMT 1 @thebigboss said:

I think they just got fooled ! Next time, they better stipulate it in the agreement that they want the real guy and pay a bit more.

But then, as said above, are there any artists in Canada ?

Lots. www.google.ca/search?q=graffiti+alley+toronto&newwindow=1&rlz=1C1CHMO_en-GBCA466CA466&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PCZgUsOBFoqTyQG6-4GwBg&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1119&bih=726  - hope that link works. If not google Garffitti alley Toronto. I nice big section with some great work as an example. Plus remember one of the Patricks is Canadian.