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FS: Nicolas Party, by nobokov on Jun 5, 2024 23:13:57 GMT 1, For those interested. Both were available in November 23 for โฌ 35.
For those interested. Both were available in November 23 for โฌ 35.
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Jason Boyd Kinsella ๐จ๐ฆ Portraits โข Norway โข Los Angeles, by nobokov on May 31, 2024 17:09:29 GMT 1,
Sold out? Yeah sure.
Looking at this perrotin store reminds us of the overabundance of prints and ephemera and what a rip off everything is.
Sold out? Yeah sure.
Looking at this perrotin store reminds us of the overabundance of prints and ephemera and what a rip off everything is.
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Damien Hirst - Cherry Blossom 2023, by nobokov on May 24, 2024 2:03:25 GMT 1, Yeah I hope everyone knows to take these results with a giant pinch of salt. There's 900 of these guys. Would anyone guess if Damien is the consignor and the buyer?
Yeah I hope everyone knows to take these results with a giant pinch of salt. There's 900 of these guys. Would anyone guess if Damien is the consignor and the buyer?
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by nobokov on May 23, 2024 17:26:19 GMT 1, I can't wait to see a Yellow Head framed, anyone got theirs? Anyone without Condo context might think this question to be a little morbid and a tad racist.
I can't wait to see a Yellow Head framed, anyone got theirs? Anyone without Condo context might think this question to be a little morbid and a tad racist.
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Adam Pendleton ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Exhibition News, by nobokov on May 23, 2024 17:12:40 GMT 1, Either way he doesn't have a strong secondary market so this is one for his fans.
Either way he doesn't have a strong secondary market so this is one for his fans.
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Are we in an Art Market Bubble?, by nobokov on May 23, 2024 3:05:27 GMT 1, Thank you very much for your kind and thoughtful reply! I had to delete my post because I have a lot of conflict in my life right now, and after getting a response to my post that made me feel stupid, I just don't need that right now and so I deleted it so I don't get any more hate. I just wanted to share my thoughts and so I am happy to see you have written on the subject so I do appreciate it very much! Please. There's too much hand holding and cry baby nonsense on here as it is. "Waaahh, waaaahh, I bought some posters and stickers and now I'm struggling to sell them for less than cost". Boo, fucking, hooo. Grow a pair, you insufferable cunt! Admit it, you're in it for all the wrong reasons and Art is just NOT for you! Now, run along back to your little flock to resume your FOMO circle jerk. Everything okay man? Your earlier posts in your history seemed normal, but now you seem........different.
Thank you very much for your kind and thoughtful reply! I had to delete my post because I have a lot of conflict in my life right now, and after getting a response to my post that made me feel stupid, I just don't need that right now and so I deleted it so I don't get any more hate. I just wanted to share my thoughts and so I am happy to see you have written on the subject so I do appreciate it very much! Please. There's too much hand holding and cry baby nonsense on here as it is. "Waaahh, waaaahh, I bought some posters and stickers and now I'm struggling to sell them for less than cost". Boo, fucking, hooo. Grow a pair, you insufferable cunt! Admit it, you're in it for all the wrong reasons and Art is just NOT for you! Now, run along back to your little flock to resume your FOMO circle jerk. Everything okay man? Your earlier posts in your history seemed normal, but now you seem........different.
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Counter Editions x Magic Breakfast Portfolio, by nobokov on May 22, 2024 19:31:29 GMT 1, Apparently itโs plums!!! But titled peaches?
Apparently itโs plums!!! But titled peaches?
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Adam Pendleton ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Exhibition News, by nobokov on May 22, 2024 19:27:43 GMT 1, Well, i'm very late to the party and it let me order one, so i guess they're taking orders they can't fulfill. Yes, thatโs quite weird isnโt it? I think that Pace are very professional, so maybe they will take orders and allocate? If it's actually sold out, then maybe it'll just serve as free data collection for the gallery.
Well, i'm very late to the party and it let me order one, so i guess they're taking orders they can't fulfill. Yes, thatโs quite weird isnโt it? I think that Pace are very professional, so maybe they will take orders and allocate? If it's actually sold out, then maybe it'll just serve as free data collection for the gallery.
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Adam Pendleton ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Exhibition News, by nobokov on May 22, 2024 3:49:01 GMT 1, seems cheap for something painted by Adam Cheap compared to primary. But his work is usually bought in on the secondary. So maybe not cheap if you're looking to resell.
seems cheap for something painted by Adam Cheap compared to primary. But his work is usually bought in on the secondary. So maybe not cheap if you're looking to resell.
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Are we in an Art Market Bubble?, by nobokov on May 22, 2024 3:19:29 GMT 1, Just picking up on this thread as for the last year I have found in my personal experiences the art collectible market is night and day different from how things were just 3-4 years ago. I wanted to see if others were talking about this subject which is how I found this thread. I know a lot about art but very little about the art market as I am a relatively young adult and not buying/selling art for a living, so am not sure how my experiences relate to others and more importantly, what to do about it. To be more specific, I am talking about having collected "big names" in the urban art print + collectibles niche, and if I had "flipped" them a couple years ago or even immediately after release when there was a buzz and higher demand than the editions allowed, I could have seen decent profits, but instead I held everything because I bought it to enjoy, not to flip, and without the intentions of selling them, now only to have life circumstances and finances hit me so hard during covid that I am still trying to recover. Selling this collection could be my ticket to getting back on my feet, but instead I am finding very few buyers and the ones who are interested are only interested at well below value, often to the point of insult. A specific example would be an in-person print release edition of 50 from 2011 that was extremely hot upon release and has not really come on the market since and after being put up for sale for a year received minimal offers and the offers it did get were actually less than the price on release. And this / these are all well known artists who still continue to sell out their editions today and show their work in galleries and museums currently. And so it's left me with no other option but to believe I've chosen the most inopportune time to try and sell these items, which I think from the sentiments I've described above and seen from the previous posts, many would agree with. That train of thought then presents two paths for me, one where I hold onto as much as possible for 6 months to a year and then try again, risking of course that things don't continue to get worse, or even more tragically what could happen is the demand never returns for many of these artists, which I believe could be possible - taking Damien Hirst for example, who has released so many editions almost an endless amount, so how many potential buyers does that really leave in the future for older releases, especially when more and more time has passed, and if they can just wait for the next new release and have an opportunity to buy it, perhaps the potential buyers would prefer that route than paying more for a previous release. That's how I've always felt, except for rare circumstances. So I am leaning towards a compromised approach where I see what I can sell now at a low price that helps me a little financially - anything that I can live with letting go without really any profit, at least maybe get my money back - and then try to keep the stuff from artists I believe have the best shot in the future (ie. Banksy) as well as of course art I just have to keep because I love it and selling it off for breadcrumbs would only serve to hurt me the most. Well, these are my current thoughts and feelings as it relates to the art market, and more specifically to my own recent experiences. Would love to hear any advice or remarks! Sorry for the essay! Not sure why you deleted your post. Just keep trying and sell what you can before everyone realizes that the art market is a big scam. Most have already figured it out and the one's who are buying either really love art or still believe in a comeback. And some are still holding onto those beanie babies and tulips waiting for the mania to return. Art is not easy to sell unless there's a mania. Art is inherently worthless.
At the major auction houses, much of the artwork is now selling below their primary prices. Meaning that primary prices are overblown. People chasing hot artists are getting ripped off because of fomo and they'll never be able to profit unless they can find a bigger sucker. Good luck and hope you find some buyers out there.
Just picking up on this thread as for the last year I have found in my personal experiences the art collectible market is night and day different from how things were just 3-4 years ago. I wanted to see if others were talking about this subject which is how I found this thread. I know a lot about art but very little about the art market as I am a relatively young adult and not buying/selling art for a living, so am not sure how my experiences relate to others and more importantly, what to do about it. To be more specific, I am talking about having collected "big names" in the urban art print + collectibles niche, and if I had "flipped" them a couple years ago or even immediately after release when there was a buzz and higher demand than the editions allowed, I could have seen decent profits, but instead I held everything because I bought it to enjoy, not to flip, and without the intentions of selling them, now only to have life circumstances and finances hit me so hard during covid that I am still trying to recover. Selling this collection could be my ticket to getting back on my feet, but instead I am finding very few buyers and the ones who are interested are only interested at well below value, often to the point of insult. A specific example would be an in-person print release edition of 50 from 2011 that was extremely hot upon release and has not really come on the market since and after being put up for sale for a year received minimal offers and the offers it did get were actually less than the price on release. And this / these are all well known artists who still continue to sell out their editions today and show their work in galleries and museums currently. And so it's left me with no other option but to believe I've chosen the most inopportune time to try and sell these items, which I think from the sentiments I've described above and seen from the previous posts, many would agree with. That train of thought then presents two paths for me, one where I hold onto as much as possible for 6 months to a year and then try again, risking of course that things don't continue to get worse, or even more tragically what could happen is the demand never returns for many of these artists, which I believe could be possible - taking Damien Hirst for example, who has released so many editions almost an endless amount, so how many potential buyers does that really leave in the future for older releases, especially when more and more time has passed, and if they can just wait for the next new release and have an opportunity to buy it, perhaps the potential buyers would prefer that route than paying more for a previous release. That's how I've always felt, except for rare circumstances. So I am leaning towards a compromised approach where I see what I can sell now at a low price that helps me a little financially - anything that I can live with letting go without really any profit, at least maybe get my money back - and then try to keep the stuff from artists I believe have the best shot in the future (ie. Banksy) as well as of course art I just have to keep because I love it and selling it off for breadcrumbs would only serve to hurt me the most. Well, these are my current thoughts and feelings as it relates to the art market, and more specifically to my own recent experiences. Would love to hear any advice or remarks! Sorry for the essay! Not sure why you deleted your post. Just keep trying and sell what you can before everyone realizes that the art market is a big scam. Most have already figured it out and the one's who are buying either really love art or still believe in a comeback. And some are still holding onto those beanie babies and tulips waiting for the mania to return. Art is not easy to sell unless there's a mania. Art is inherently worthless.
At the major auction houses, much of the artwork is now selling below their primary prices. Meaning that primary prices are overblown. People chasing hot artists are getting ripped off because of fomo and they'll never be able to profit unless they can find a bigger sucker. Good luck and hope you find some buyers out there.
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Adam Pendleton ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Exhibition News, by nobokov on May 21, 2024 15:23:23 GMT 1,
For all you fans of work that reflect a contrapuntal understanding of the world in both sensorial and conceptual terms
For all you fans of work that reflect a contrapuntal understanding of the world in both sensorial and conceptual terms
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SELL PART OF MY COLLECTION, by nobokov on May 16, 2024 19:47:50 GMT 1, Hi guys, I'm selling part of my collection. All works are in perfect condition without flaws, canva's corners as well. I can ship worldwide. I put all details below about the works, let me know by text message for any pictures of works, price or more. Thank's for reading ! -Daisy Dodd Noble "Two Trees with Blue Sky and Large Cloud", 2020 Oil on canvas 76x51cm. -Eddie Martinez "TVWO No.2", 2020 Oil, spray paint, maker and oil pastel on paper 61.6x46,4cm. -Jordy Kerwick, 2021 Mixed media on paper, 40x30cm. -Jordy Kerwick, 2021 Mixed media on paper, 40x30cm. -Roby Dwi Antono "Bazinga", 2020, Pencil on paper, 35x35cm. -Tvorogov brothers "The bird is waiting for the boat", 2021, Oil on canvas, 60x50cm. -Kaws "Space" Gold -Imon Boy "By night", Acrylic on canvas, 2021, 100x80cm. -Takeru Umano "Muse", Acrylic on linen, 2020, 160x130cm. -Nksin "Emanating", spray paint on canvas, 2022, 90x60cm. -Nigel Howlett "Clouds of unknowing", charcoal and carbon on paper, 2020, 72.5x56cm. Are you selling visual art or just words?
Hi guys, I'm selling part of my collection. All works are in perfect condition without flaws, canva's corners as well. I can ship worldwide. I put all details below about the works, let me know by text message for any pictures of works, price or more. Thank's for reading ! -Daisy Dodd Noble "Two Trees with Blue Sky and Large Cloud", 2020 Oil on canvas 76x51cm. -Eddie Martinez "TVWO No.2", 2020 Oil, spray paint, maker and oil pastel on paper 61.6x46,4cm. -Jordy Kerwick, 2021 Mixed media on paper, 40x30cm. -Jordy Kerwick, 2021 Mixed media on paper, 40x30cm. -Roby Dwi Antono "Bazinga", 2020, Pencil on paper, 35x35cm. -Tvorogov brothers "The bird is waiting for the boat", 2021, Oil on canvas, 60x50cm. -Kaws "Space" Gold -Imon Boy "By night", Acrylic on canvas, 2021, 100x80cm. -Takeru Umano "Muse", Acrylic on linen, 2020, 160x130cm. -Nksin "Emanating", spray paint on canvas, 2022, 90x60cm. -Nigel Howlett "Clouds of unknowing", charcoal and carbon on paper, 2020, 72.5x56cm. Are you selling visual art or just words?
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Jonathan Yeo ๐ฌ๐ง Porn Portraits โข Exhibition News, by nobokov on May 16, 2024 19:45:44 GMT 1, Glad he's still getting fanny's into his work ๐๐๐๐๐ The painting is ok, but I think he could have done better. Front a distance it's just looks like a face on a murky red background, maybe he will look back on this as an opportunity missed? I doubt it will be remembered as one of Charles best portraits. Maybe he had more pressing issues to focus on and decided to stop at the underpainting stage.
"eh, who cares, I'm done."
Glad he's still getting fanny's into his work ๐๐๐๐๐ The painting is ok, but I think he could have done better. Front a distance it's just looks like a face on a murky red background, maybe he will look back on this as an opportunity missed? I doubt it will be remembered as one of Charles best portraits. Maybe he had more pressing issues to focus on and decided to stop at the underpainting stage.
"eh, who cares, I'm done."
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Julian Opie ๐ฌ๐ง Statuette โข Pop Art Portrait โข Lenticular , by nobokov on May 14, 2024 22:15:45 GMT 1, Not into the blockiness of these shapes. Looks a bit like origami birds dressed like perturbed humans.
Not into the blockiness of these shapes. Looks a bit like origami birds dressed like perturbed humans.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by nobokov on May 14, 2024 22:04:52 GMT 1, Thatโs beautiful. Heโs some talent. Iโve just unwrapped mine - the level of care and feeling in these is something else. Congrats, that's a powerful look. I like how he can paint with ultrarealism without sacrificing the painterly aspects.
Thatโs beautiful. Heโs some talent. Iโve just unwrapped mine - the level of care and feeling in these is something else. Congrats, that's a powerful look. I like how he can paint with ultrarealism without sacrificing the painterly aspects.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by nobokov on May 13, 2024 23:52:17 GMT 1,
Just received this beautiful painting by Ki Yoong
Just received this beautiful painting by Ki Yoong
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Ai Weiwei Coca-Cola Glass Vase, by nobokov on May 12, 2024 7:44:05 GMT 1, There is no message. In the video he said he was so bored one day he wrote coca cola on an old pot and his friend thought it looked cool. I know, but seems that AA were saying something different when they changed the colour from orange to red: "During production, Weiwei has decided to refine the surface of the glass and adjust the colour in order to align it more closely with his original vision for the piece and his wider practice." I'm guessing that's just salesman spiel
There is no message. In the video he said he was so bored one day he wrote coca cola on an old pot and his friend thought it looked cool. I know, but seems that AA were saying something different when they changed the colour from orange to red: "During production, Weiwei has decided to refine the surface of the glass and adjust the colour in order to align it more closely with his original vision for the piece and his wider practice." I'm guessing that's just salesman spiel
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Ai Weiwei Coca-Cola Glass Vase, by nobokov on May 11, 2024 22:10:00 GMT 1, Seems that the artist views the colour to be pretty much irrelevant for the message of the artwork. Who would have thought! There is no message. In the video he said he was so bored one day he wrote coca cola on an old pot and his friend thought it looked cool.
Seems that the artist views the colour to be pretty much irrelevant for the message of the artwork. Who would have thought! There is no message. In the video he said he was so bored one day he wrote coca cola on an old pot and his friend thought it looked cool.
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Paris Review: Limited Edition N Party Poster, by nobokov on May 10, 2024 19:50:32 GMT 1, Hurry up and buy all of these UAA so that I can finally update my listing title to add "SOLD OUT RARE."
Hurry up and buy all of these UAA so that I can finally update my listing title to add "SOLD OUT RARE."
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Vanguarts auction on Artsy - see some good deals there, by nobokov on May 6, 2024 19:22:10 GMT 1, Lovely auction indeed, with great pieces at low estimates From what I have heard the ones having launched this (for now) online auction room are quite known on the market and especially the secondary market. A logical evolution then. Not everyone is backed by Artsy, so I suppose they have a solid backbone. Placed a bid myself will inform the forum on how it goes Yeah sure, we all believe you.
Lovely auction indeed, with great pieces at low estimates From what I have heard the ones having launched this (for now) online auction room are quite known on the market and especially the secondary market. A logical evolution then. Not everyone is backed by Artsy, so I suppose they have a solid backbone. Placed a bid myself will inform the forum on how it goes Yeah sure, we all believe you.
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Damien Hirst on the wall, by nobokov on May 4, 2024 18:23:32 GMT 1,
Hi I'm Claudia. Here are my Hirsts. Show me yours.
Hi I'm Claudia. Here are my Hirsts. Show me yours.
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Damien Hirst - The Archangels, by nobokov on May 4, 2024 15:32:30 GMT 1, If a work is flipped rather than hung, perhaps it's not a strong work of art.
If a work is flipped rather than hung, perhaps it's not a strong work of art.
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Why is harlands market Dead? , by nobokov on May 3, 2024 23:43:29 GMT 1, His market is dead because everyone has moved into the Meret Oppenheim market.
His market is dead because everyone has moved into the Meret Oppenheim market.
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by nobokov on May 3, 2024 2:09:53 GMT 1, That was 13 years ago to be fair. Also these are unsigned !!!! Yeah 13 years ago they were published, but the resale was a couple hundred dollars maybe in 2018? I forget the exact year, but not that long ago. These can't be high quality prints to justify that kind of resale unless a buyer is really desperate to throw away their money.
That was 13 years ago to be fair. Also these are unsigned !!!! Yeah 13 years ago they were published, but the resale was a couple hundred dollars maybe in 2018? I forget the exact year, but not that long ago. These can't be high quality prints to justify that kind of resale unless a buyer is really desperate to throw away their money.
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by nobokov on May 2, 2024 19:40:22 GMT 1, Let's not forget that the original retail price for the set was $30. Attention potential bidders, don't let FOMO get you. It was $30 dollars. Just because some other idiots paid an extravagant amount for it, doesn't mean that's what you should pay folks. Don't be the greater fool.
www.skarstedt.com/publications/george-condo3
Let's not forget that the original retail price for the set was $30. Attention potential bidders, don't let FOMO get you. It was $30 dollars. Just because some other idiots paid an extravagant amount for it, doesn't mean that's what you should pay folks. Don't be the greater fool. www.skarstedt.com/publications/george-condo3
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Damien Hirst - The Archangels, by nobokov on May 1, 2024 19:23:39 GMT 1, I was lucky enough to be allocated Raphael, which I am shamelessly flipping, please get in touch if you havenโt been allocated one and would be interested in purchasing. Collection can be as soon as itโs delivered. GLWTS! Waiting 1 day or 2 years, what's the difference? It's gonna be in a crate anyway. Strike while the iron is hot my friend.
I was lucky enough to be allocated Raphael, which I am shamelessly flipping, please get in touch if you havenโt been allocated one and would be interested in purchasing. Collection can be as soon as itโs delivered. GLWTS! Waiting 1 day or 2 years, what's the difference? It's gonna be in a crate anyway. Strike while the iron is hot my friend.
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Damien Hirst - The Archangels, by nobokov on May 1, 2024 15:14:27 GMT 1, That's good. I also buy what I like to look at, but remember years ago when I was caught up in the UAA hype machine chasing things without actually really liking what bought and slowly figuring out that many here are just trying to boost their own eBay sales by creating a market.
You're right that my comments are often snide. A lot of the times, it's just to have a fun time trying to counter the hype. I just assume that most of the posts here aren't very genuine. Apologies if you were offended enough to feel the need to give your own opinion. But I do welcome you to the conversation.
To me it's baffling why people spend large amounts on autographed printouts from famous artists, when prints are never even close to how great an original artwork can be. That money can be spent to buy a good sized painting from artists who may be far more talented than the celebrity artist. Especially with these Hirst editions of late, anyone here can go to an art supply store and produce the same, if not better work for $100. And they would have the satisfaction of creating something rather than just consuming.
So why do people spend $8000 on a printout? Is it for the minute connection to the artist?
You would think the only rational motivation that could possibly drive someone to purchase Hirst editions would be the potential resale, because no one here would buy this same edition at the same price, if it was released by a guy off the street.
Or is it motivated by the thrill of the hunt? The addiction of securing a release and the adrenaline rush from that.
I'm really curious to know what motivates everyone. Is it just something nice to look at before the eventual sale? Iโve always been baffled why people buy autographed print-outs instead of the original large format blossom paintings, which can be sourced from White Cube / Gagosian or at auction for as little as ยฃ1m. But I bet you can paint the same thing yourself and bring it to one of his openings. I bet he'd sign it if you asked nicely.
That's good. I also buy what I like to look at, but remember years ago when I was caught up in the UAA hype machine chasing things without actually really liking what bought and slowly figuring out that many here are just trying to boost their own eBay sales by creating a market.
You're right that my comments are often snide. A lot of the times, it's just to have a fun time trying to counter the hype. I just assume that most of the posts here aren't very genuine. Apologies if you were offended enough to feel the need to give your own opinion. But I do welcome you to the conversation.
To me it's baffling why people spend large amounts on autographed printouts from famous artists, when prints are never even close to how great an original artwork can be. That money can be spent to buy a good sized painting from artists who may be far more talented than the celebrity artist. Especially with these Hirst editions of late, anyone here can go to an art supply store and produce the same, if not better work for $100. And they would have the satisfaction of creating something rather than just consuming.
So why do people spend $8000 on a printout? Is it for the minute connection to the artist?
You would think the only rational motivation that could possibly drive someone to purchase Hirst editions would be the potential resale, because no one here would buy this same edition at the same price, if it was released by a guy off the street.
Or is it motivated by the thrill of the hunt? The addiction of securing a release and the adrenaline rush from that.
I'm really curious to know what motivates everyone. Is it just something nice to look at before the eventual sale? Iโve always been baffled why people buy autographed print-outs instead of the original large format blossom paintings, which can be sourced from White Cube / Gagosian or at auction for as little as ยฃ1m. But I bet you can paint the same thing yourself and bring it to one of his openings. I bet he'd sign it if you asked nicely.
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Damien Hirst - The Archangels, by nobokov on May 1, 2024 3:19:01 GMT 1, Yes, people like different things. You gotta admit though, this art collecting thing is kind of ridiculous right? I mean I'm addicted as well, but Jesus, what we pay for unimpressive crap is just nuts.
Ask anyone in the street who doesn't collect art, what you or I just paid for <Insert Art Object here> and what we just got, and they'll think we're insane and/or stupid.
So we don't look as crazy, we then have to follow-up by saying, "well you can immediately sell this for 3x as much."
Collecting is a serious addiction. Tbh I just buy what I want to hang on my wall and look at. I also donโt have friends that ask what it cost, or probably care. And if they did my personal response would not be โitโs worth x timesโ but thats just me. And yes itโs an addiction for many of us, not really the point though is it. You were making a judgement on why people are buying a piece, based on your opinion, dressed up as an interesting perspective (it wasnโt, but I presume you thought it was). Each to their own, Iโm primarily a lurker here and add little value so it was rude of me to get involved in your conversation tbh, just find the constant snidey comments a bit tiring. Just an opinion though. That's good. I also buy what I like to look at, but remember years ago when I was caught up in the UAA hype machine chasing things without actually really liking what bought and slowly figuring out that many here are just trying to boost their own eBay sales by creating a market.
You're right that my comments are often snide. A lot of the times, it's just to have a fun time trying to counter the hype. I just assume that most of the posts here aren't very genuine. Apologies if you were offended enough to feel the need to give your own opinion. But I do welcome you to the conversation.
To me it's baffling why people spend large amounts on autographed printouts from famous artists, when prints are never even close to how great an original artwork can be. That money can be spent to buy a good sized painting from artists who may be far more talented than the celebrity artist. Especially with these Hirst editions of late, anyone here can go to an art supply store and produce the same, if not better work for $100. And they would have the satisfaction of creating something rather than just consuming.
So why do people spend $8000 on a printout? Is it for the minute connection to the artist?
You would think the only rational motivation that could possibly drive someone to purchase Hirst editions would be the potential resale, because no one here would buy this same edition at the same price, if it was released by a guy off the street.
Or is it motivated by the thrill of the hunt? The addiction of securing a release and the adrenaline rush from that.
I'm really curious to know what motivates everyone. Is it just something nice to look at before the eventual sale?
Yes, people like different things. You gotta admit though, this art collecting thing is kind of ridiculous right? I mean I'm addicted as well, but Jesus, what we pay for unimpressive crap is just nuts.
Ask anyone in the street who doesn't collect art, what you or I just paid for <Insert Art Object here> and what we just got, and they'll think we're insane and/or stupid.
So we don't look as crazy, we then have to follow-up by saying, "well you can immediately sell this for 3x as much."
Collecting is a serious addiction. Tbh I just buy what I want to hang on my wall and look at. I also donโt have friends that ask what it cost, or probably care. And if they did my personal response would not be โitโs worth x timesโ but thats just me. And yes itโs an addiction for many of us, not really the point though is it. You were making a judgement on why people are buying a piece, based on your opinion, dressed up as an interesting perspective (it wasnโt, but I presume you thought it was). Each to their own, Iโm primarily a lurker here and add little value so it was rude of me to get involved in your conversation tbh, just find the constant snidey comments a bit tiring. Just an opinion though. That's good. I also buy what I like to look at, but remember years ago when I was caught up in the UAA hype machine chasing things without actually really liking what bought and slowly figuring out that many here are just trying to boost their own eBay sales by creating a market.
You're right that my comments are often snide. A lot of the times, it's just to have a fun time trying to counter the hype. I just assume that most of the posts here aren't very genuine. Apologies if you were offended enough to feel the need to give your own opinion. But I do welcome you to the conversation.
To me it's baffling why people spend large amounts on autographed printouts from famous artists, when prints are never even close to how great an original artwork can be. That money can be spent to buy a good sized painting from artists who may be far more talented than the celebrity artist. Especially with these Hirst editions of late, anyone here can go to an art supply store and produce the same, if not better work for $100. And they would have the satisfaction of creating something rather than just consuming.
So why do people spend $8000 on a printout? Is it for the minute connection to the artist?
You would think the only rational motivation that could possibly drive someone to purchase Hirst editions would be the potential resale, because no one here would buy this same edition at the same price, if it was released by a guy off the street.
Or is it motivated by the thrill of the hunt? The addiction of securing a release and the adrenaline rush from that.
I'm really curious to know what motivates everyone. Is it just something nice to look at before the eventual sale?
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nobokov
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February 2016
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Damien Hirst - The Archangels, by nobokov on Apr 30, 2024 23:10:01 GMT 1, I think people like having a connection to celebrities. Wow, my favorite <blank> actually touched this piece of paper when he signed it! People like that sort of thing.
Screenprint, giclee, or dibond, it's all unimpressive in person if you haven't been drinking the kool-aid.
I think people just like spouting shit on here, re their opinions. If I post this maybe โblankโ will like it and Iโll feel clever. Keyboard warriors like that sort of thing. Most people accept that different people like different things, and itโs all good, if you havenโt been drinking the UAA kool-aid. Yes, people like different things. You gotta admit though, this art collecting thing is kind of ridiculous right? I mean I'm addicted as well, but Jesus, what we pay for unimpressive crap is just nuts.
Ask anyone in the street who doesn't collect art, what you or I just paid for <Insert Art Object here> and what we just got, and they'll think we're insane and/or stupid.
So we don't look as crazy, we then have to follow-up by saying, "well you can immediately sell this for 3x as much."
Collecting is a serious addiction.
I think people like having a connection to celebrities. Wow, my favorite <blank> actually touched this piece of paper when he signed it! People like that sort of thing.
Screenprint, giclee, or dibond, it's all unimpressive in person if you haven't been drinking the kool-aid.
I think people just like spouting shit on here, re their opinions. If I post this maybe โblankโ will like it and Iโll feel clever. Keyboard warriors like that sort of thing. Most people accept that different people like different things, and itโs all good, if you havenโt been drinking the UAA kool-aid. Yes, people like different things. You gotta admit though, this art collecting thing is kind of ridiculous right? I mean I'm addicted as well, but Jesus, what we pay for unimpressive crap is just nuts.
Ask anyone in the street who doesn't collect art, what you or I just paid for <Insert Art Object here> and what we just got, and they'll think we're insane and/or stupid.
So we don't look as crazy, we then have to follow-up by saying, "well you can immediately sell this for 3x as much."
Collecting is a serious addiction.
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