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ebay non-payment opinions, by rob123rob on Jun 30, 2007 3:28:58 GMT 1, I "won" an auction on ebay for an unsigned Banksy print, but thanks to a forum member I discovered (before paying for it) that the print has been glued down to a board and can't be removed. So, I'm thinking my only option is to not pay for it. I definitely don't want a print stuck to a board. How will this affect my ebay reputation, feedback, etc.? How much damage can this one non-payment do to my ebay rep?
I "won" an auction on ebay for an unsigned Banksy print, but thanks to a forum member I discovered (before paying for it) that the print has been glued down to a board and can't be removed. So, I'm thinking my only option is to not pay for it. I definitely don't want a print stuck to a board. How will this affect my ebay reputation, feedback, etc.? How much damage can this one non-payment do to my ebay rep?
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ebay non-payment opinions, by johnerotten on Jun 30, 2007 3:34:34 GMT 1, if they falsely advertized the auction then don't pay and contest it with ebay. file a complaint or something. even if they were unclear about it. if they were explicitly clear then you're stuck with it or will have to give up some stars on your ebay rating.
I "won" an auction on ebay for an unsigned Banksy print, but thanks to a forum member I discovered (before paying for it) that the print has been glued down to a board and can't be removed. So, I'm thinking my only option is to not pay for it. I definitely don't want a print stuck to a board. How will this affect my ebay reputation, feedback, etc.? How much damage can this one non-payment do to my ebay rep?
if they falsely advertized the auction then don't pay and contest it with ebay. file a complaint or something. even if they were unclear about it. if they were explicitly clear then you're stuck with it or will have to give up some stars on your ebay rating. I "won" an auction on ebay for an unsigned Banksy print, but thanks to a forum member I discovered (before paying for it) that the print has been glued down to a board and can't be removed. So, I'm thinking my only option is to not pay for it. I definitely don't want a print stuck to a board. How will this affect my ebay reputation, feedback, etc.? How much damage can this one non-payment do to my ebay rep? |
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ebay non-payment opinions, by rob123rob on Jun 30, 2007 3:37:15 GMT 1, the seller said in the listing that it was dry mounted, which to me just sounded like a typical framing term....but once the forum member warned me about it, and I checked into it, it means that it is glued down. I dont think he falsely advertised it, I just think he left out some very important information (like the print is ready for the bin now).
Maybe it's worth losing a couple stars over (talking about 1.5K)
the seller said in the listing that it was dry mounted, which to me just sounded like a typical framing term....but once the forum member warned me about it, and I checked into it, it means that it is glued down. I dont think he falsely advertised it, I just think he left out some very important information (like the print is ready for the bin now).
Maybe it's worth losing a couple stars over (talking about 1.5K)
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ebay non-payment opinions, by beejoir1 on Jun 30, 2007 4:50:32 GMT 1, Queen Vic huh, I wanted that......... but not for 1.5k!
Queen Vic huh, I wanted that......... but not for 1.5k!
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ebay non-payment opinions, by gbh on Jun 30, 2007 10:03:04 GMT 1, i wanted it as well, dry mounting switched me right off.
Seller did mention in the listing though.
i wanted it as well, dry mounting switched me right off.
Seller did mention in the listing though.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by craigf on Jun 30, 2007 10:09:14 GMT 1, I think the seller was upfront, but at the end of the day ยฃ1.5k is a lot to cough up for the sake of principle. If it's the one I think it is it is already framed so I wouldn't be so worried about the dry mounting even though it shouldn't have been mounted like this. I would approach the seller about it, explain you misunderstood and see if you can agree something such as covering their listing fees or making sure they get a refund from eBay. I took my first hit in nearly 8 years of eBay a while back when a member warned me the print I'd won was of the backdoor variety. I tried to negotiate with the seller and when that didn't work decided that I'd rather have a -1 than a dent in my wallet and something on my wall which wasn't what I really wanted.
I think the seller was upfront, but at the end of the day ยฃ1.5k is a lot to cough up for the sake of principle. If it's the one I think it is it is already framed so I wouldn't be so worried about the dry mounting even though it shouldn't have been mounted like this. I would approach the seller about it, explain you misunderstood and see if you can agree something such as covering their listing fees or making sure they get a refund from eBay. I took my first hit in nearly 8 years of eBay a while back when a member warned me the print I'd won was of the backdoor variety. I tried to negotiate with the seller and when that didn't work decided that I'd rather have a -1 than a dent in my wallet and something on my wall which wasn't what I really wanted.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by craigf on Jun 30, 2007 10:10:11 GMT 1, btw I bid on this auction, but wasn't prepared to go as high as you did due to the dry mounting (and having just bought a house and being flat broke now)
btw I bid on this auction, but wasn't prepared to go as high as you did due to the dry mounting (and having just bought a house and being flat broke now)
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ebay non-payment opinions, by markrobbo on Jun 30, 2007 11:56:07 GMT 1, If you do not pay, the seller can file a "non paying bidder" report which puts the auction in "Dispute status". You will be given the opportunity to respond to the allegation via eBay. In this instance you will probably get a "strike" and negative feedback from the seller. Three strikes and you're out. The seller will get their Final Value Fees back but not the listing fees so i'd imagine they'll be annoyed and will have to re-list.
If you do not pay, the seller can file a "non paying bidder" report which puts the auction in "Dispute status". You will be given the opportunity to respond to the allegation via eBay. In this instance you will probably get a "strike" and negative feedback from the seller. Three strikes and you're out. The seller will get their Final Value Fees back but not the listing fees so i'd imagine they'll be annoyed and will have to re-list.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by Montubu7 on Jun 30, 2007 12:07:32 GMT 1, Its not been 'Three strikes & out' for over 18 months, its dependant on feedback, history & timescale in which strikes are received..........
Its not been 'Three strikes & out' for over 18 months, its dependant on feedback, history & timescale in which strikes are received..........
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ebay non-payment opinions, by budoukiba on Jun 30, 2007 12:16:28 GMT 1, To be honest, you should pay for the item. Its not his/her fault you didn't underestand the listing, and he/she made it clear that the item was dry mounted.
To be honest, you should pay for the item. Its not his/her fault you didn't underestand the listing, and he/she made it clear that the item was dry mounted.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by Montubu7 on Jun 30, 2007 12:22:09 GMT 1, Good point...
Good point...
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ebay non-payment opinions, by rusty1986 on Jun 30, 2007 13:04:47 GMT 1, so you would pay ยฃ1500 just because you're embarrassed about not understanding the listing? if i were the buyer, i would do what was said above, offer to pay the listing fee and the re-listing fee and walk away. he'll get the rest of his fees back and despite being a bit of an annoyance, if youre nice about im sure he'll understand that were all human...
so you would pay ยฃ1500 just because you're embarrassed about not understanding the listing? if i were the buyer, i would do what was said above, offer to pay the listing fee and the re-listing fee and walk away. he'll get the rest of his fees back and despite being a bit of an annoyance, if youre nice about im sure he'll understand that were all human...
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ebay non-payment opinions, by mcnuts on Jun 30, 2007 13:08:25 GMT 1, as an aside, i thought someone here said there are "new" archival techniques for like $400 US that you can safely remove dry mounting. Perhaps you should also look into this? As, if it is the case, you then may have got a "deal" - any experts out there? I dont have a clue!
On the bright side, you now know what dry mounting is!
as an aside, i thought someone here said there are "new" archival techniques for like $400 US that you can safely remove dry mounting. Perhaps you should also look into this? As, if it is the case, you then may have got a "deal" - any experts out there? I dont have a clue!
On the bright side, you now know what dry mounting is!
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ebay non-payment opinions, by airsine on Jun 30, 2007 13:15:22 GMT 1, The damage to your ebay reputation is nothing compared to the damage done to that print!!!
Whilst I agree you should of understood what dry mounting was before you bid, it's common for people to get confused on ebay and even seller of the print in question originally listed the item as signed when it wasn't!
Send him a very apologetic email and see where that gets you. He can always offer it to the next bidder if he doesn't think he can get that much money for it again in another auction.
The damage to your ebay reputation is nothing compared to the damage done to that print!!!
Whilst I agree you should of understood what dry mounting was before you bid, it's common for people to get confused on ebay and even seller of the print in question originally listed the item as signed when it wasn't!
Send him a very apologetic email and see where that gets you. He can always offer it to the next bidder if he doesn't think he can get that much money for it again in another auction.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by meatbag on Jun 30, 2007 13:22:50 GMT 1, offer to pay for his listing fees so it will not cost him anything to re-list.
offer to pay for his listing fees so it will not cost him anything to re-list.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by policeaware on Jun 30, 2007 13:32:15 GMT 1,
I'd suggest you pull the sellers contact details and call them. You do this by using the advanced search function and then the 'find contact details' link on the left hand side of the screen.
Its best to discuss things on the phone than via email, there used to be the option in ebay to 'not complete through mutual consent' which used to give the seller a refund of fees & not give the buyer a NPB alert.
The other option is to cover the final value fees & the re-listing fee so the seller doesn't lose out financially on his/her costs although this will cost you a fair few quid as the fees will be in the region of ยฃ40+.
I'd suggest you pull the sellers contact details and call them. You do this by using the advanced search function and then the 'find contact details' link on the left hand side of the screen.
Its best to discuss things on the phone than via email, there used to be the option in ebay to 'not complete through mutual consent' which used to give the seller a refund of fees & not give the buyer a NPB alert.
The other option is to cover the final value fees & the re-listing fee so the seller doesn't lose out financially on his/her costs although this will cost you a fair few quid as the fees will be in the region of ยฃ40+.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by paulah on Jun 30, 2007 15:20:37 GMT 1, I think if you go through the 'mutual consent' way Police just described then the seller gets the final value fees returned - plus a free relist - as long as the relist in the same format as before.
Or you could go ahead and then resell it - and also be upfront about how it's mounted.
I think if you go through the 'mutual consent' way Police just described then the seller gets the final value fees returned - plus a free relist - as long as the relist in the same format as before.
Or you could go ahead and then resell it - and also be upfront about how it's mounted.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by rob123rob on Jun 30, 2007 21:07:17 GMT 1, just for an update, I have offered to pay his listing fees, and though I understand why some people are saying I should pay because I should have known better, in reality, Im not rich, have saved up for a bit to by this print, and really Im not going to lose that kind of money just for the principle of it all. The seller told me that this is the third time he's listed this print, and had someone not want to buy it after the listing ending. So, yes it is my fault for knowing in advance what dry mounting is, but if he ever wants to sell this print successfully he's going to have to mention in the listing that the print is actually permanently glued to this board.....nobody is going to bid up to 1.5k for that. I will happily pay for his fees, any money he's out, but Im not going to pay 1.5k for a worthless print. Lesson learned.
just for an update, I have offered to pay his listing fees, and though I understand why some people are saying I should pay because I should have known better, in reality, Im not rich, have saved up for a bit to by this print, and really Im not going to lose that kind of money just for the principle of it all. The seller told me that this is the third time he's listed this print, and had someone not want to buy it after the listing ending. So, yes it is my fault for knowing in advance what dry mounting is, but if he ever wants to sell this print successfully he's going to have to mention in the listing that the print is actually permanently glued to this board.....nobody is going to bid up to 1.5k for that. I will happily pay for his fees, any money he's out, but Im not going to pay 1.5k for a worthless print. Lesson learned.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by gbh on Jul 1, 2007 4:23:45 GMT 1, As a previous ebay seller, this type of thing really shits me..
It is an auction. Does anyone here know how they work?
If the item is as described, then the winning bidder should complete the transaction, regardless of the fact that they have or have not done their homework or ASKED QUESTIONS PRIOR TO BIDDING.
I'll just repeat that: ALL QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ASKED PRIOR TO BIDDING, if no answer is received or answers are not satisfactory, DO NOT BID UNLESS YOU PLAN TO COMPLETE THE TRANSACTION.
The fact that you are poor or rich has absolutely no bearing at all.
You're behavior is bad form in my book.
As a previous ebay seller, this type of thing really shits me..
It is an auction. Does anyone here know how they work?
If the item is as described, then the winning bidder should complete the transaction, regardless of the fact that they have or have not done their homework or ASKED QUESTIONS PRIOR TO BIDDING.
I'll just repeat that: ALL QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ASKED PRIOR TO BIDDING, if no answer is received or answers are not satisfactory, DO NOT BID UNLESS YOU PLAN TO COMPLETE THE TRANSACTION.
The fact that you are poor or rich has absolutely no bearing at all.
You're behavior is bad form in my book.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by ricosg11 on Jul 1, 2007 17:42:51 GMT 1, Yes bad form, but we all make mistakes. At least he learned from it and didnt throw out 3kusd.
Yes bad form, but we all make mistakes. At least he learned from it and didnt throw out 3kusd.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by gbh on Jul 1, 2007 22:51:53 GMT 1, would you feel the same if you were the seller?
Let's say you needed the cash to pay your rent pronto and your high winning bidders behaved in this manner....or your car got repo'd because you now don't have the cash to pay on the final deadline..
eBay and auctions have rules for a reason.
At least he learned from it and didn't throw out $3k, but I got thrown out of my flat/had my car repo'd, etc., etc.
yeah, nice one mate.
would you feel the same if you were the seller?
Let's say you needed the cash to pay your rent pronto and your high winning bidders behaved in this manner....or your car got repo'd because you now don't have the cash to pay on the final deadline..
eBay and auctions have rules for a reason.
At least he learned from it and didn't throw out $3k, but I got thrown out of my flat/had my car repo'd, etc., etc.
yeah, nice one mate.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by rob123rob on Jul 1, 2007 22:54:30 GMT 1, Believe it or not I do feel bad about this...I had no intentions of game-playing with this seller as I wanted this print, but I can't part with that kind of money just because it would be bad form to not. And let's not pretend like this seller didn't know exactly what he was doing here. Third time he's listed, third non-payment, and in one of the recent emails to me he even states "After 3 lots of ebay fees, I would just like to get rid of it". Doesn't sound like someone who has something valuable they are tryinng to sell, sounds like someone trying to pawn off some rubbish on some unsuspecting fool (thankfully this fool caught on just in time). He knows the print's value has decreased substantially because of the glue, and he keeps on hoping that eventually someone is going to just buy it and get stuck with it. Bad form or not, let's not think that I was the only one looking out for number one here.
Believe it or not I do feel bad about this...I had no intentions of game-playing with this seller as I wanted this print, but I can't part with that kind of money just because it would be bad form to not. And let's not pretend like this seller didn't know exactly what he was doing here. Third time he's listed, third non-payment, and in one of the recent emails to me he even states "After 3 lots of ebay fees, I would just like to get rid of it". Doesn't sound like someone who has something valuable they are tryinng to sell, sounds like someone trying to pawn off some rubbish on some unsuspecting fool (thankfully this fool caught on just in time). He knows the print's value has decreased substantially because of the glue, and he keeps on hoping that eventually someone is going to just buy it and get stuck with it. Bad form or not, let's not think that I was the only one looking out for number one here.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by ricosg11 on Jul 1, 2007 22:56:36 GMT 1, Its happened to me afew times. Hey man it happens. I agree its not right, but neither is war and poverty. It comes with the territory. But its another reason not to spend money you DONT have.
Its happened to me afew times. Hey man it happens. I agree its not right, but neither is war and poverty. It comes with the territory. But its another reason not to spend money you DONT have.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by rob123rob on Jul 1, 2007 23:03:28 GMT 1, It's not money I don't have, it's money I saved up for. Im not some flipper turning profits all over the place here. I saved up for the print I've wanted for a while, and if you were in my shoes, and finally won an auction for the print you wanted, wouldn't you pull out if you discovered that the condition of the print was less than good? I sincerely apologized to seller (if that matters for anything, which it probably doesn't, but still), I said I would pay for his fees, and I would pay for his next listing fees next time he goes to list it, and that's all I can do short of paying the 1.5k. This all came about because I initially asked him to ship it unframed and he said he couldn't remove the print from the frame. Im sure Im not the first to go through this with him, and I probably won't be the last. And as far as war and poverty go, let's not mistake tragedies with ebay drama.
It's not money I don't have, it's money I saved up for. Im not some flipper turning profits all over the place here. I saved up for the print I've wanted for a while, and if you were in my shoes, and finally won an auction for the print you wanted, wouldn't you pull out if you discovered that the condition of the print was less than good? I sincerely apologized to seller (if that matters for anything, which it probably doesn't, but still), I said I would pay for his fees, and I would pay for his next listing fees next time he goes to list it, and that's all I can do short of paying the 1.5k. This all came about because I initially asked him to ship it unframed and he said he couldn't remove the print from the frame. Im sure Im not the first to go through this with him, and I probably won't be the last. And as far as war and poverty go, let's not mistake tragedies with ebay drama.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by johnas on Jul 1, 2007 23:07:31 GMT 1, so, what has been the outcome with the seller.... is he mightly pissed off or has it come to a satisfactory conclusion?
so, what has been the outcome with the seller.... is he mightly pissed off or has it come to a satisfactory conclusion?
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ebay non-payment opinions, by rob123rob on Jul 1, 2007 23:09:59 GMT 1, he's mad, of course (as I would be too), but he is a little satisfied with having his listing fees paid, and like I've already said, short of buying the print, I will do anything that I can to help cool this situation and make him feel less angry with all this. I will do what I can and hopefully he can sell it in the near future. But so far, thankfully, all of the corresponence on both sides has been civil and rational.
he's mad, of course (as I would be too), but he is a little satisfied with having his listing fees paid, and like I've already said, short of buying the print, I will do anything that I can to help cool this situation and make him feel less angry with all this. I will do what I can and hopefully he can sell it in the near future. But so far, thankfully, all of the corresponence on both sides has been civil and rational.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by ricosg11 on Jul 1, 2007 23:13:27 GMT 1, rob i was not implying you didnt have the money. I apologize if it read like that. I was replying to gbh's comment about not being able to pay rent because your print didnt sell.
rob i was not implying you didnt have the money. I apologize if it read like that. I was replying to gbh's comment about not being able to pay rent because your print didnt sell.
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ebay non-payment opinions, by rob123rob on Jul 1, 2007 23:15:23 GMT 1, cool, sorry
cool, sorry
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ebay non-payment opinions, by johnas on Jul 1, 2007 23:15:34 GMT 1, well, i guess you can appreciate why he's pissed and he understands that he ain't gonna get his cash.... diplomacy is the key here me thinks so that you get that 'win:win' situation. if he does file for his cash through ebay, you may be scuppered
well, i guess you can appreciate why he's pissed and he understands that he ain't gonna get his cash.... diplomacy is the key here me thinks so that you get that 'win:win' situation. if he does file for his cash through ebay, you may be scuppered
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ebay non-payment opinions, by rob123rob on Jul 1, 2007 23:22:13 GMT 1, yeah, Im trying the win/win approach. Im not looking to make enemies. Im going to keep talking with him to try to sort this all out. I've been on the other side of this type of situation myself, where somebody didn't pay, so I totally understand his frustration and anger, etc.
yeah, Im trying the win/win approach. Im not looking to make enemies. Im going to keep talking with him to try to sort this all out. I've been on the other side of this type of situation myself, where somebody didn't pay, so I totally understand his frustration and anger, etc.
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