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Charming Baker London Show, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jul 9, 2011 8:42:49 GMT 1, Some previous posts say "Hype", "Well oiled Machine" etc.. I am not doubting baker's talent and I quite like some of the works... Can some one explain why does Hirst & the likes buy loads of these OG's?? Its just seems its hype to then get some rich normal people to pay 60k, it ends up like like a pyramid scheme... with the lower classes (like normal guys on here) through word of mouth end up scrapping for 75 - 300 pound prints to flip on Ebay.. kind of sad really
Some previous posts say "Hype", "Well oiled Machine" etc.. I am not doubting baker's talent and I quite like some of the works... Can some one explain why does Hirst & the likes buy loads of these OG's?? Its just seems its hype to then get some rich normal people to pay 60k, it ends up like like a pyramid scheme... with the lower classes (like normal guys on here) through word of mouth end up scrapping for 75 - 300 pound prints to flip on Ebay.. kind of sad really
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Charming Baker London Show, by Gentle Mental on Jul 9, 2011 10:01:36 GMT 1, interesting thing... so the high end guys are snapping these 60k pieces like bargains of the century while the lower end buyers are still not clearing the 75punds(!!!!) and 250 pounds prints on jealous site.... hmmm if a street artist commands such prices for their originals, their 75 pounds prints be gone in a heartbeat. why is that? Since when has Charming Baker been a street artist?
My convuleted point exactly. Street art is driven by print flippers while "normal" art by original flippers....
interesting thing... so the high end guys are snapping these 60k pieces like bargains of the century while the lower end buyers are still not clearing the 75punds(!!!!) and 250 pounds prints on jealous site.... hmmm if a street artist commands such prices for their originals, their 75 pounds prints be gone in a heartbeat. why is that? Since when has Charming Baker been a street artist? My convuleted point exactly. Street art is driven by print flippers while "normal" art by original flippers....
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Charming Baker London Show, by Winter on Jul 9, 2011 11:44:12 GMT 1, What about the people that like the art?
What about the people that like the art?
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Charming Baker London Show, by Gentle Mental on Jul 9, 2011 13:14:26 GMT 1, What about the people that like the art?
Too few to be significant enough to wipe entire inventory out in minutes.
What about the people that like the art? Too few to be significant enough to wipe entire inventory out in minutes.
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Charming Baker London Show, by nipper on Jul 9, 2011 16:18:51 GMT 1, Had a great afternoon at the show with the onsite printing of the dog image. Matthew, Jealous's Master Printer, was clearly enjoying explaining the process and being the centre of attention - even if Will Young did try to take over his job for a while.ย
If you've not been yet, I'd recommend finding time as it's a beautifully present show and you can pick up the very well produced catalogue for no outlay...or for ยฃ75 get the onsite print on a Saturday.ย
The other prints are moving quickly too. Plenty of Fuckers sold this lunchtime. Move fast if you are interested in those prints though as ย their inbox is stuffed with emails from those who can't make the show.ย
Had a great afternoon at the show with the onsite printing of the dog image. Matthew, Jealous's Master Printer, was clearly enjoying explaining the process and being the centre of attention - even if Will Young did try to take over his job for a while.ย
If you've not been yet, I'd recommend finding time as it's a beautifully present show and you can pick up the very well produced catalogue for no outlay...or for ยฃ75 get the onsite print on a Saturday.ย
The other prints are moving quickly too. Plenty of Fuckers sold this lunchtime. Move fast if you are interested in those prints though as ย their inbox is stuffed with emails from those who can't make the show.ย
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Charming Baker London Show, by HRE on Jul 9, 2011 18:51:28 GMT 1, It was a lovely space to walk around not too busy when i went early on in the morning so was nice to take some time and look at the OGs, the prints have been flying out the door so I would be quick if you want something. The quality of them is lovely really like the bunny it was on really thick stock and very glossy to look at.
Met Baker he seemed very nice and a bit overwhelmed by all the attention that he has been getting. They had plenty of signed goodie bags when I was there and some catalogue which are really nicely printed.
It was a lovely space to walk around not too busy when i went early on in the morning so was nice to take some time and look at the OGs, the prints have been flying out the door so I would be quick if you want something. The quality of them is lovely really like the bunny it was on really thick stock and very glossy to look at.
Met Baker he seemed very nice and a bit overwhelmed by all the attention that he has been getting. They had plenty of signed goodie bags when I was there and some catalogue which are really nicely printed.
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Charming Baker London Show, by Deleted on Jul 9, 2011 21:34:52 GMT 1, What about the people that like the art? Too few to be significant enough to wipe entire inventory out in minutes.
Or perhaps a shift away from 'urban' stencil art into a genre which is technically more able?
What about the people that like the art? Too few to be significant enough to wipe entire inventory out in minutes. Or perhaps a shift away from 'urban' stencil art into a genre which is technically more able?
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Charming Baker London Show, by hlarmy on Jul 10, 2011 0:50:51 GMT 1,
I read an article in the Sun that was suggesting Robbie Williams should be following Noel Gallagher's lead and 'invest' in 'brilliant' artist Charming Baker! I'm not joking by the way!
I read an article in the Sun that was suggesting Robbie Williams should be following Noel Gallagher's lead and 'invest' in 'brilliant' artist Charming Baker! I'm not joking by the way!
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Charming Baker London Show, by Winter on Jul 10, 2011 9:19:34 GMT 1, Thought they hated each other
Thought they hated each other
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Charming Baker London Show, by curiousgeorge on Jul 10, 2011 10:55:13 GMT 1, Articles in the scum? whatever next
Articles in the scum? whatever next
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Charming Baker London Show, by des77 on Jul 10, 2011 11:58:24 GMT 1, It works completely different in the art world, no phone taps needed... in fact the story's come to you
It works completely different in the art world, no phone taps needed... in fact the story's come to you
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Charming Baker London Show, by annar50 on Jul 11, 2011 23:29:00 GMT 1, excellent show , well worth seeing if in London , charming bakers work has gone from strength to strength.. fabulous canvas work
picture here from the show ..more to follow
www.flickr.com/photos/annar_50/
excellent show , well worth seeing if in London , charming bakers work has gone from strength to strength.. fabulous canvas work picture here from the show ..more to follow www.flickr.com/photos/annar_50/
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Charming Baker London Show, by motor on Jul 12, 2011 15:28:47 GMT 1, After being somewhat critical in my initial post I went down to check it for myself. It looks very good, as many said before. Not entirely my cuppa but mister has proper talent and with the body of work on the show he delivers. The space is fantastic. People from the Jealous Gallery did a very good job. Still don't get the prices for his originals but who cares if they can find the right buyers. Good for the gallery and even better for ChB.
Funny that MonkeyGTH mentioned that Micallef was checking the show. I wonder what he was thinking. He was in the similar position few years back... I would say that people around ChB have learned a lesson from AM's career ups and downs (not talking about their art skills here). Saying that I am very much looking forward to the new AM show.
After being somewhat critical in my initial post I went down to check it for myself. It looks very good, as many said before. Not entirely my cuppa but mister has proper talent and with the body of work on the show he delivers. The space is fantastic. People from the Jealous Gallery did a very good job. Still don't get the prices for his originals but who cares if they can find the right buyers. Good for the gallery and even better for ChB.
Funny that MonkeyGTH mentioned that Micallef was checking the show. I wonder what he was thinking. He was in the similar position few years back... I would say that people around ChB have learned a lesson from AM's career ups and downs (not talking about their art skills here). Saying that I am very much looking forward to the new AM show.
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Charming Baker London Show, by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 21:34:58 GMT 1, Rightly or wrongly though, isn't it the case that Micallef's PR went into meltdown by the release of GIWTBB? I think this cheapened the brand to the wider base?
No doubting either's ability.
Rightly or wrongly though, isn't it the case that Micallef's PR went into meltdown by the release of GIWTBB? I think this cheapened the brand to the wider base?
No doubting either's ability.
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Charming Baker London Show, by shosho on Jul 13, 2011 0:55:55 GMT 1, I don't normally post but feel inclined to after reading these posts. First of all well done to Charming Baker I'm sure he deserves every success. However people getting excited about Alberto Mugrabi, Frank Cohen or Hirst buying the work are insane. Don't forget Hirst collects hype he has no influence as a collector and as for Alberto Mugrabi yes his family own an extensive collection of Warhols, Hirsts, Basquiats and Prince's etc, but they are not tastemakers neither is Frank Cohen. These people buying the work is actually off putting and could affect charming long term. Anyway my issue isn't really with those guys but With the sheep mentality that a lot of collectors have, it happened with Micallef, Parla, Dface, What the fuk does Noel Gallagher know about art the only reason people are getting excited is because they have another pipe dream in the making. Remember when parla canvases were going or 60 k or when Jude Law and micheal stipe were buying Micallefs for higher amounts, or perhaps when Christina A was buying up Dface? It doesn't mean a thing if your going to follow reputable collectors do your Homework or better yet buy Chamings work because you like it. I personally don't get it what makes it so good? I'll tell you.... friggin speculation. Chamings saving grace may be the fact he is part of the establishment as he went to central ST martins which separates him from the majority of other artists that are collected on this forum. However it's still no reason to buy unless you really love it. Hirst brougt Paul Insects show didn't he, where is he now? Congratulations to all the true Baker fans who believed and collected from day one I'm sure it feels great to have that confidence in someone and see it come to fruition. To everyone else you should be ashamed of yourselves!
I don't normally post but feel inclined to after reading these posts. First of all well done to Charming Baker I'm sure he deserves every success. However people getting excited about Alberto Mugrabi, Frank Cohen or Hirst buying the work are insane. Don't forget Hirst collects hype he has no influence as a collector and as for Alberto Mugrabi yes his family own an extensive collection of Warhols, Hirsts, Basquiats and Prince's etc, but they are not tastemakers neither is Frank Cohen. These people buying the work is actually off putting and could affect charming long term. Anyway my issue isn't really with those guys but With the sheep mentality that a lot of collectors have, it happened with Micallef, Parla, Dface, What the fuk does Noel Gallagher know about art the only reason people are getting excited is because they have another pipe dream in the making. Remember when parla canvases were going or 60 k or when Jude Law and micheal stipe were buying Micallefs for higher amounts, or perhaps when Christina A was buying up Dface? It doesn't mean a thing if your going to follow reputable collectors do your Homework or better yet buy Chamings work because you like it. I personally don't get it what makes it so good? I'll tell you.... friggin speculation. Chamings saving grace may be the fact he is part of the establishment as he went to central ST martins which separates him from the majority of other artists that are collected on this forum. However it's still no reason to buy unless you really love it. Hirst brougt Paul Insects show didn't he, where is he now? Congratulations to all the true Baker fans who believed and collected from day one I'm sure it feels great to have that confidence in someone and see it come to fruition. To everyone else you should be ashamed of yourselves!
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Charming Baker London Show, by shosho on Jul 13, 2011 0:56:50 GMT 1, Sorry Spacing is f'd up, bloody iPad.
Sorry Spacing is f'd up, bloody iPad.
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Charming Baker London Show, by volvic on Jul 13, 2011 2:54:52 GMT 1, 'However people getting excited about Alberto Mugrabi, Frank Cohen or Hirst buying the work are insane. Don't forget Hirst collects hype he has no influence as a collector and as for Alberto Mugrabi yes his family own an extensive collection of Warhols, Hirsts, Basquiats and Prince's etc, but they are not tastemakers neither is Frank Cohen. These people buying the work is actually off putting and could affect charming long term'
shosho, thats one of the best posts i have read on here in a long time... thank you.
the guy is well connected, models for paul smith, and has a hand full of so called british 'opinion formers' buying up his work... 3k - 60k in a year? what goes up, must come down!!
'However people getting excited about Alberto Mugrabi, Frank Cohen or Hirst buying the work are insane. Don't forget Hirst collects hype he has no influence as a collector and as for Alberto Mugrabi yes his family own an extensive collection of Warhols, Hirsts, Basquiats and Prince's etc, but they are not tastemakers neither is Frank Cohen. These people buying the work is actually off putting and could affect charming long term'
shosho, thats one of the best posts i have read on here in a long time... thank you.
the guy is well connected, models for paul smith, and has a hand full of so called british 'opinion formers' buying up his work... 3k - 60k in a year? what goes up, must come down!!
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Charming Baker London Show, by hanky on Jul 13, 2011 9:03:34 GMT 1, Shosho Don't sit on the fence say what you mean! Have to agree we should all buy art because we like it! I think many artists have been badly represented by galleries/agents eg Micallef, Neate. For some of us that represents an opportunity to acquire some good art. Neate prints for ยฃ300 seems a good buy to me for instance! I think Charming is being well looked after with prints at ยฃ75 and ยฃ300 allowing entry level and canvases going for considerably more. Having popped into the show it is well worth the visit and you could still pick up a signed show poster if that's what your after.
Shosho Don't sit on the fence say what you mean! Have to agree we should all buy art because we like it! I think many artists have been badly represented by galleries/agents eg Micallef, Neate. For some of us that represents an opportunity to acquire some good art. Neate prints for ยฃ300 seems a good buy to me for instance! I think Charming is being well looked after with prints at ยฃ75 and ยฃ300 allowing entry level and canvases going for considerably more. Having popped into the show it is well worth the visit and you could still pick up a signed show poster if that's what your after.
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Charming Baker London Show, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jul 13, 2011 10:08:21 GMT 1, some good posts
'talking of ups & downs'.. I remember the Nick Walker show at BRP guys in their 60's walking around buying up a stencil OG for 25k pounds... Now they are worth probably 5k or less. Seems its all about the team behind you,PR,spin, advertsing,putting shows on etc.. and maintaining it. I dont know all the Bansky history back in the day, but did Hirst do a similar thing ie. buy up loads of his works/hype him up and spread the word etc.... ??
some good posts
'talking of ups & downs'.. I remember the Nick Walker show at BRP guys in their 60's walking around buying up a stencil OG for 25k pounds... Now they are worth probably 5k or less. Seems its all about the team behind you,PR,spin, advertsing,putting shows on etc.. and maintaining it. I dont know all the Bansky history back in the day, but did Hirst do a similar thing ie. buy up loads of his works/hype him up and spread the word etc.... ??
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Charming Baker London Show, by hlarmy on Jul 13, 2011 10:40:09 GMT 1, some good posts'talking of ups & downs'.. I remember the Nick Walker show at BRP guys in their 60's walking around buying up a stencil OG for 25k pounds... Now they are worth probably 5k or less. Seems its all about the team behind you,PR,spin, advertsing,putting shows on etc.. and maintaining it. I dont know all the Bansky history back in the day, but did Hirst do a similar thing ie. buy up loads of his works/hype him up and spread the word etc.... ??
Agreed
I don't necessarily think it's hard to build / hype an artist up to the level and prices that CB is now operating at. It's the Charles Saatchi effect, which applies to many of those circling at the upper end of the market (including the likes of Hirst, Mugrabi etc, the list is pretty long!).
What I find interesting is how his management now keep him at that level, or per JJ's post, how they maintain the level of interest and more importantly, prices. A few big names buying some work willl not guarantee longevity for CB, although having sold out this show, I would have thought he's nicely set up for later life!
So, what will keep CB at this level, or more importantly, move him further up the 'ladder'? A huge auction result (this is something that, if it happened, wouldn't surprise me, not that I'm cynical!), representation with one of the larger galleries?? It'll be interesting to follow either way...
some good posts'talking of ups & downs'.. I remember the Nick Walker show at BRP guys in their 60's walking around buying up a stencil OG for 25k pounds... Now they are worth probably 5k or less. Seems its all about the team behind you,PR,spin, advertsing,putting shows on etc.. and maintaining it. I dont know all the Bansky history back in the day, but did Hirst do a similar thing ie. buy up loads of his works/hype him up and spread the word etc.... ?? Agreed I don't necessarily think it's hard to build / hype an artist up to the level and prices that CB is now operating at. It's the Charles Saatchi effect, which applies to many of those circling at the upper end of the market (including the likes of Hirst, Mugrabi etc, the list is pretty long!). What I find interesting is how his management now keep him at that level, or per JJ's post, how they maintain the level of interest and more importantly, prices. A few big names buying some work willl not guarantee longevity for CB, although having sold out this show, I would have thought he's nicely set up for later life! So, what will keep CB at this level, or more importantly, move him further up the 'ladder'? A huge auction result (this is something that, if it happened, wouldn't surprise me, not that I'm cynical!), representation with one of the larger galleries?? It'll be interesting to follow either way...
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Charming Baker London Show, by rottenredrooster on Jul 13, 2011 14:38:29 GMT 1, Finally ambled down there. Really liked the 'So Who Are The Glorious Dead Anyway?' print. Some great stuff on show.
Finally ambled down there. Really liked the 'So Who Are The Glorious Dead Anyway?' print. Some great stuff on show.
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Charming Baker London Show, by Winter on Jul 13, 2011 18:43:04 GMT 1, He's got another show in the US later this year I think
He's got another show in the US later this year I think
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Charming Baker London Show, by rottenredrooster on Jul 13, 2011 19:08:18 GMT 1, Got to say I was impressed the moment I walked in. The canvases were all exquisite... I particularly liked 'Love Is Never Needing Any Help If You Are Intent On Staying Ignorant' which he also done a print of before (http://charmingbaker.com/prints/59/).
The 'c**t struck' canvas too, was very well executed. As was the 'f*cker* print, following the same design.
Got to say I was impressed the moment I walked in. The canvases were all exquisite... I particularly liked 'Love Is Never Needing Any Help If You Are Intent On Staying Ignorant' which he also done a print of before (http://charmingbaker.com/prints/59/).
The 'c**t struck' canvas too, was very well executed. As was the 'f*cker* print, following the same design.
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Charming Baker London Show, by 10th Mountain on Jul 13, 2011 19:12:26 GMT 1, some good posts'talking of ups & downs'.. I remember the Nick Walker show at BRP guys in their 60's walking around buying up a stencil OG for 25k pounds... Now they are worth probably 5k or less. Seems its all about the team behind you,PR,spin, advertsing,putting shows on etc.. and maintaining it. I dont know all the Bansky history back in the day, but did Hirst do a similar thing ie. buy up loads of his works/hype him up and spread the word etc.... ?? Agreed I don't necessarily think it's hard to build / hype an artist up to the level and prices that CB is now operating at. It's the Charles Saatchi effect, which applies to many of those circling at the upper end of the market (including the likes of Hirst, Mugrabi etc, the list is pretty long!). What I find interesting is how his management now keep him at that level, or per JJ's post, how they maintain the level of interest and more importantly, prices. A few big names buying some work willl not guarantee longevity for CB, although having sold out this show, I would have thought he's nicely set up for later life! So, what will keep CB at this level, or more importantly, move him further up the 'ladder'? A huge auction result (this is something that, if it happened, wouldn't surprise me, not that I'm cynical!), representation with one of the larger galleries?? It'll be interesting to follow either way...
Are you suggesting that those with a vested interest in increasing the values of their purchases would artificialy inflate the value of them through a rigged auction. Well I'll be.
some good posts'talking of ups & downs'.. I remember the Nick Walker show at BRP guys in their 60's walking around buying up a stencil OG for 25k pounds... Now they are worth probably 5k or less. Seems its all about the team behind you,PR,spin, advertsing,putting shows on etc.. and maintaining it. I dont know all the Bansky history back in the day, but did Hirst do a similar thing ie. buy up loads of his works/hype him up and spread the word etc.... ?? Agreed I don't necessarily think it's hard to build / hype an artist up to the level and prices that CB is now operating at. It's the Charles Saatchi effect, which applies to many of those circling at the upper end of the market (including the likes of Hirst, Mugrabi etc, the list is pretty long!). What I find interesting is how his management now keep him at that level, or per JJ's post, how they maintain the level of interest and more importantly, prices. A few big names buying some work willl not guarantee longevity for CB, although having sold out this show, I would have thought he's nicely set up for later life! So, what will keep CB at this level, or more importantly, move him further up the 'ladder'? A huge auction result (this is something that, if it happened, wouldn't surprise me, not that I'm cynical!), representation with one of the larger galleries?? It'll be interesting to follow either way... Are you suggesting that those with a vested interest in increasing the values of their purchases would artificialy inflate the value of them through a rigged auction. Well I'll be.
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Charming Baker London Show, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jul 14, 2011 10:39:26 GMT 1, PHUK ME!! ONE POINT NINE MILLION POUNDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So these guys put pressure on the artists in the same way they do for bands to come up with an album. I bet these guys also changed his name from Alan to Charming?? its all too much!!!!!
PHUK ME!! ONE POINT NINE MILLION POUNDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So these guys put pressure on the artists in the same way they do for bands to come up with an album. I bet these guys also changed his name from Alan to Charming?? its all too much!!!!!
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Charming Baker London Show, by hlarmy on Jul 14, 2011 11:15:11 GMT 1, But is this latest marketing strategy which cuts out the middle man - the art dealer - the way forward?
Thanks for posting Fragile; the above statement confused me a little - does this suggest his management team aren't effectively acting as dealers / gallerists and taking their cut. I dont' think so!
But is this latest marketing strategy which cuts out the middle man - the art dealer - the way forward? Thanks for posting Fragile; the above statement confused me a little - does this suggest his management team aren't effectively acting as dealers / gallerists and taking their cut. I dont' think so!
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Charming Baker London Show, by hunter on Jul 14, 2011 22:34:23 GMT 1,
Nice touch for CB and Jealous to do the posters for free. Think the Everything Must Go part of the poster was screen printed and done in various colours.
Nice touch for CB and Jealous to do the posters for free. Think the Everything Must Go part of the poster was screen printed and done in various colours.
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Charming Baker London Show, by rottenredrooster on Jul 15, 2011 17:04:24 GMT 1, Looks great. Didn't know they were doing it tomorrow, thought it was on the 30th.
Looks great. Didn't know they were doing it tomorrow, thought it was on the 30th.
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