[fingerz]

bargain wish i had 50 notes

[georgec7]

If anybody else has one knocking around - please pm me - cheers

[hoolz]

PM'd

[gibbin82]

It is nice to report when a deal goes right and everyone is happy and equally I suppose it is important to warn people when things do not go so smoothly. In this case I was the unlucky person to actually end up buying this poster and as it arrived quite badly damaged I contacted the seller but have no luck getting a refund, so giving him plenty of time to put things right this is now going to have to go to the small claims court to make a judgment. So beware of buying from this member, it has not been the usually pleasant experience I have encountered from all of my other dealings with other members on the forum .

[chaturz]

Wow, that's rubbish. Was it damaged in the post or did you collect in person and realise damage at home? Hope things work out ok and amicably if possible + let us know how it pans out as it would be interesting to know how to handle such a predicament, I've been rather fortunate so far. Good luck

[youngsquire]

Aug 18, 2011 12:22:45 GMT 1 gibbin82 said:

It is nice to report when a deal goes right and everyone is happy and equally I suppose it is important to warn people when things do not go so smoothly. In this case I was the unlucky person to actually end up buying this poster and as it arrived quite badly damaged I contacted the seller but have no luck getting a refund, so giving him plenty of time to put things right this is now going to have to go to the small claims court to make a judgment. So beware of buying from this member, it has not been the usually pleasant experience I have encountered from all of my other dealings with other members on the forum .

Calm down son! I doubt you are far enough down the line for court action just yet given it is less then a month since you even bought the print! A court will require that you try and negotiate a settlement first which will ordinarily include giving a minimum period of one month for a party to respond to an initial claim.

In any event you don't get to choose to go to the small claims court this is decided during allocation. If you want to make him realise you are serious I would send him a completed claim form stating that it will be lodged if you don't get your money back. Fee for lodging is £35 though so I'd ask yourself is it really worth it!

[gibbin82]

It appeared as though the damage had been caused by the end cap being pushed in against the poster, although at first I gave him the benefit of doubt and agreed that it could have been caused by the royal mail and in such case he could have claimed compensation from them.

Although I have tried to negotiate amicable solution IMO it was pretty clear from some of the response that this would not be possible and therefore after giving him to plenty of opportunity to resolve it I finally decided a small claim was the way forward. The cost was £25 and to be honest it is well worth it to stop the "I have spoken to trading standards and it is Buyer Beware" type replies and general annoying delaying tactics in hope I will forget it. He also wanted me to return it at my own expense before any refund was considered, but given some of his replies I would rather keep the evidence until a judge decides on when it is returned.

[hunter007]

Aug 18, 2011 13:38:45 GMT 1 gibbin82 said:

It appeared as though the damage had been caused by the end cap being pushed in against the poster, although at first I gave him the benefit of doubt and agreed that it could have been caused by the royal mail and in such case he could have claimed compensation from them.

Although I have tried to negotiate amicable solution IMO it was pretty clear from some of the response that this would not be possible and therefore after giving him to plenty of opportunity to resolve it I finally decided a small claim was the way forward. The cost was £25 and to be honest it is well worth it to stop the "I have spoken to trading standards and it is Buyer Beware" type replies and general annoying delaying tactics in hope I will forget it. He also wanted me to return it at my own expense before any refund was considered, but given some of his replies I would rather keep the evidence until a judge decides on when it is returned.

I sold a poster a while ago i think for approx 50 pounds, when i sent it it was mint and seemed to get damaged on route or when placed in the tube which i was really sure i was carefull with, it was very minor damage and i thought it could have been that it was damged removing it from the tube, Basically either way it was damaged and they buyer seemd like a nice guy and we decided on a part refund as ithe damage could easily be framed out,. WCould this have not been an option rather than claims, ? just a suggestion but from what i gather you have already started the claim?

[nah]

small claims court over a £50 print seems a bit excessive, wouldnt it save a whole bunch of time just to file a paypal complaint

[gibbin82]

Framing the damage out was something I also originally thought of, suggested and I would have been happy to compromise, but after waiting for a fortnight for a reply and the hostile response I received when I suggested that it appeared as though I was being ignored and it possibly would have to be decided in the small claims court if it couldn't be resolved, I did not feel so easy going and agreeable. I have now had several excuses and the suggestion that it is a "Buyer Beware" transaction leaves me with the belief that the seller does not intend to compensate me at all.

[Pistol]

I cannot and will not comment on this particular deal but I will say I have dealt with Gibbin82 and he is a very fair very reliable person to deal with. Obviously I can only go on my experience and am not casting judgement or opinion on anyone else!

[happy shopper]

Annoying to receive something damaged, whatever you pay, but isn't £50 quite cheap for one of these anyway?
Aren't they usually £100 at least?

[hunter007]

Aug 18, 2011 14:46:43 GMT 1 happy shopper said:

Annoying to receive something damaged, whatever you pay, but isn't £50 quite cheap for one of these anyway?
Aren't they usually £100 at least?

It is cheap i have seen them go for 200

[fingerz]

seen 1 on the bay go for £20 a couple of months back

[hunter007]

Aug 18, 2011 14:59:46 GMT 1 fingerz said:

seen 1 on the bay go for £20 a couple of months back

signed?

[Cornish Crayon]

Aug 18, 2011 14:59:46 GMT 1 fingerz said:

seen 1 on the bay go for £20 a couple of months back

What.......a real one....WOW!!!!

[des77]

forget court, suck it up and use the experience. Next time ask for images etc before paying (if you didnt this time)

[crooked]

the thing is when you get a damaged print even after you frame it and problems are taken care of, all you can remember is the bad experience and zero in on the damage. i know because it happened to me twice

[fingerz]

Aug 18, 2011 15:04:25 GMT 1 @hunter007 said:

Aug 18, 2011 14:59:46 GMT 1 fingerz said:

seen 1 on the bay go for £20 a couple of months back

signed?

of course it was signed , would of only reached a fiver unsigned

[hunter007]

Aug 18, 2011 15:58:14 GMT 1 fingerz said:

Aug 18, 2011 15:04:25 GMT 1 @hunter007 said:

signed?

of course it was signed , would of only reached a fiver unsigned

i thought it was allot for unsigned .

[alistairkhalil]

if the damage is minor.. i will buy it off you for 50 quid.. office in camden. here all day. hope this helps..

love and blessings..

[sohohoho]

£50 inc. P&P for a Monkey Parliament which arrived damaged so now you're taking the seller to court? LOL. How did you pay for it?

[alistairkhalil]

nyotaimori

[warmgun]

Aug 18, 2011 19:39:49 GMT 1 alistairkhalil said:

nyotaimori

I just looked this word up, where can I do this

[alistairkhalil]

pm sent!

[gibbin82]

Aug 18, 2011 18:09:05 GMT 1 sohohoho said:

£50 inc. P&P for a Monkey Parliament which arrived damaged so now you're taking the seller to court? LOL. How did you pay for it?

Unfortunately the damage IMO was not minor and it was paid for by Paypal gift so no chance to recover my money there.

At the time (although it was only £50 to me it is not small change) the way the dialog was going a small claim was the only option, I had been trying to seek a compromise from the start, firstly by saying I may be able to frame the damage out and at that stage may have been open to some sort of partial compensation via a claim from the Royal Mail, then by asking for the sellers address so I could send back the poster and receive a refund after he had it back. But as the affair ran on and with each delay or reply I felt forced into taking a more hard line, until and after plenty of warning I took the option of starting a small claim (a Buyer Beware comment was the final straw). As it was I never wanted to escalate this to a claim and this could and should have been avoided with a little more understanding and trust. However I have had a couple of incidents in the past when a claim was the only solution (once with and eBay purchase and once with a insurance claim from Parcel2Go) and to be honest this deal had seemed to be starting to be following an all to familiar pattern.

When deals go wrong it is important both parties are reasonable and do their best to resolve it quickly and amicably, but when this doesn't happen sometimes a PayPal claim (when it isn't a gift payment) or an online small claim may be the best option on principal.

The good news is that the seller is now IMO being a lot more reasonable and made a partial refund, so after a little negotiation we should be able to resolve this and I will be able to cancel the claim.

[warmgun]

Another example as to why no one should ever use paypal gift.....sorry to hear your story btw.

[gibbin82]

Update: reasonable dialog now resumed and compromise reached, so the claim will be canceled and all a little older, wiser poorer and happier (well maybe not as happy as we should have been ;D).

Thank you to the seller for finally sorting this out, no hard feelings on my part, just put it down to experience

Anyone who hasn't heard of the UK Government Money Claim Online service it can be a good way of resolving disputes fairly when there appears to be no other solution, Paypal gifters take note.

www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/

[kaisersosay]

I bought one from a forum member for £40 including postage, a couple of small dinks you cant really see. I also bought another from eBay which came from Holland for £56 including postage mint. At the end of the day it's a poster to fill some wall space, not a £4,000 signed Banksy print. I can't stand paypal but if your buying it's a must, if selling I would rather poke my eye out with a sharp stick.

[skitchy]

Fucking hell! this is absolutely ridiculous!! are you actually kidding me you paid him the 25 quid legal fees because you didn't reply after THREE days! As far as I'm concerned you did the right thing refunding the 50 quid but LEGAL FEES!!! and then he comes on here and tells everyone!!??

Its a bloody poster which is absolute peanuts in this game, never in my time on.info have I heard of such ludicrous action taken against a fellow forum member. Gibbo you need to put things into perspective mate! - three days? and a bristol museum poster at that its not like its a signed print!