markw99
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Checking provenance, by markw99 on Apr 17, 2007 7:56:28 GMT 1, Hi, I'm still searching for a Grannies print, but I also really like Micallef's Angel Bombers 1 & 2 and am wondering the best way to check if prints are genuine. Thanks
Hi, I'm still searching for a Grannies print, but I also really like Micallef's Angel Bombers 1 & 2 and am wondering the best way to check if prints are genuine. Thanks
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Checking provenance, by neutral on Apr 17, 2007 8:04:41 GMT 1, Just pm'd you...
You can verify all prints number with the given name holder of any particulary print with emailing POW.
Bare in mind that they are giving you a favor and are not in obligation to do so.
Just pm'd you...
You can verify all prints number with the given name holder of any particulary print with emailing POW.
Bare in mind that they are giving you a favor and are not in obligation to do so.
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Strange Al
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Checking provenance, by Strange Al on Apr 17, 2007 8:11:12 GMT 1, I'd just like to qualify neutral's comment by saying that POW don't hold a complete record of all prints they've sold. For example, I don't believe that the LA versions of the Banksy's appear on the database and prints sold at the Ghetto and other shows won't do so either.
In those cases (and for prints from other printers/galleries), a receipt and proper background story is going to be your best provenance. In addition, you'll obviously need to look at the print itself and ultimately whether you trust the seller. If it's ebay - check feedback, other items they've sold and simply correspond with them. Where a print has been sold a number of times, you'll need proof in respect of each sale. POW only ever keep details of the original buyer. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut feeling.
Obviously, both this place and the Ebay forums are good places to consult. If buying on Ebay, do make sure you check the Ebay forum. The guys on there usually track sales and are very knowledgeable on prints and dodgy sellers.
In case of the prints you're currently looking for, both the Mics and the UK version of Grannies should be registered with POW.
I'd just like to qualify neutral's comment by saying that POW don't hold a complete record of all prints they've sold. For example, I don't believe that the LA versions of the Banksy's appear on the database and prints sold at the Ghetto and other shows won't do so either.
In those cases (and for prints from other printers/galleries), a receipt and proper background story is going to be your best provenance. In addition, you'll obviously need to look at the print itself and ultimately whether you trust the seller. If it's ebay - check feedback, other items they've sold and simply correspond with them. Where a print has been sold a number of times, you'll need proof in respect of each sale. POW only ever keep details of the original buyer. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut feeling.
Obviously, both this place and the Ebay forums are good places to consult. If buying on Ebay, do make sure you check the Ebay forum. The guys on there usually track sales and are very knowledgeable on prints and dodgy sellers.
In case of the prints you're currently looking for, both the Mics and the UK version of Grannies should be registered with POW.
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Checking provenance, by beejoir1 on Apr 17, 2007 17:47:18 GMT 1, ............. also bugger the grannies print, go for a pair of Angel Bombers, they are A) Beautiful B)If your interested a better investment!
............. also bugger the grannies print, go for a pair of Angel Bombers, they are A) Beautiful B)If your interested a better investment!
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Checking provenance, by finsburyparkranger on Apr 17, 2007 19:07:11 GMT 1, The first paragraph is a quote by the way, I am just rubbish at forums!
Mate, I've accused Banksy of shill bidding his own prints in a sorded attempt to increase his market value in 'The great bansky ebay con trick' thread. I also accused POW and LAZ of being in on the game and most other people that flog his work on ebay.
I'm still here. I think I'm a living example of freedom of speach on this forum. Oh and I still have a respect point left.....
*gulp*
The first paragraph is a quote by the way, I am just rubbish at forums! Mate, I've accused Banksy of shill bidding his own prints in a sorded attempt to increase his market value in 'The great bansky ebay con trick' thread. I also accused POW and LAZ of being in on the game and most other people that flog his work on ebay. I'm still here. I think I'm a living example of freedom of speach on this forum. Oh and I still have a respect point left..... *gulp* |
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markw99
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Checking provenance, by markw99 on Apr 17, 2007 19:36:12 GMT 1, Thanks for info, seems the thread has provoked some debate!
POW seems a good place to start for provenance, if they will help of course. Re the Angel Bombers I really like the print, and they seem (slightly) easier to get than a Grannies print.
Thanks for info, seems the thread has provoked some debate!
POW seems a good place to start for provenance, if they will help of course. Re the Angel Bombers I really like the print, and they seem (slightly) easier to get than a Grannies print.
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Checking provenance, by markw99 on Apr 17, 2007 19:48:27 GMT 1, Must admit didn't realise there was an ebay banksy forum, I'll have a look on there too. But forums like this are a good place for debate and differing views, hope it stays like that
Must admit didn't realise there was an ebay banksy forum, I'll have a look on there too. But forums like this are a good place for debate and differing views, hope it stays like that
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Checking provenance, by numusic on Apr 17, 2007 20:22:28 GMT 1, A very succinct and well pitched post on the matter..hope you get some sensible responses.
A very succinct and well pitched post on the matter..hope you get some sensible responses.
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Strange Al
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Checking provenance, by Strange Al on Apr 17, 2007 22:29:38 GMT 1, Hungrig - thanks for clarifying that POW does have buyers' info for the LA Banksy's. It's good to know the information made it back across the Atlantic. 
Like you (and many others), I too think the Banksy ebay forum and banksy.info compliment each other very well. Moreover, in terms of questions of print provenance, I completely agree that the most knowledgeable bods post on the ebay forum (as I alluded to in my previous post). And, the names you've listed certainly are very much the ones to consult for an opinion. I would therefore agree that it's a shame that many of these individuals do not or cannot post on this forum.
However, I've generally refrained from getting involved in discussions about particular members being banned or threads deleted and don't plan on changing that now. And that's not because I'm concerned about being censored or banned by the moderators or even losing any respect points, it's because I don't know enough about the facts and therefore don't feel I'm in a position to comment. Furthermore, while I agree with the general sentiment of your very eloquent post, I don't think that it's the best way to achieve your stated aims.
I will however make two more general comments -
Firstly, I'm all for openly debating issues. As I posted recently, I think that having strong opinions and expressing them is a good thing. Disagreement can be extremely healthy - indeed necessary. Libetarian's will argue that the right to freedom of speech is absolute (and I can completely understand that position), though IMO certain situations do call for a degree of censorship. This being the case, you're naturally reliant upon those with the power to censor to do so wisely. All I'll say on that is - I think it's great that Silky and AB are moderating this forum.
Secondly, I just wanted to pick up on your point about there being a fair amount of sarcasm on the ebay forum. It's certainly true that there's a lot of banter on the ebay forum and most of it is light-hearted fun. Unfortunately, I'm not so sure that it's all sarcastic or acerbic wit. While this forum may be jokingly called the "darkside", I actually think it's the ebay forum that has the tendency to become a little dark.
Ultimately, whether it comes to provenance, banksy more generally or anything else for that matter, my advice to the newcomers is take your information from as many sources as you can and make up your own mind.
Hungrig - thanks for clarifying that POW does have buyers' info for the LA Banksy's. It's good to know the information made it back across the Atlantic. Like you (and many others), I too think the Banksy ebay forum and banksy.info compliment each other very well. Moreover, in terms of questions of print provenance, I completely agree that the most knowledgeable bods post on the ebay forum (as I alluded to in my previous post). And, the names you've listed certainly are very much the ones to consult for an opinion. I would therefore agree that it's a shame that many of these individuals do not or cannot post on this forum. However, I've generally refrained from getting involved in discussions about particular members being banned or threads deleted and don't plan on changing that now. And that's not because I'm concerned about being censored or banned by the moderators or even losing any respect points, it's because I don't know enough about the facts and therefore don't feel I'm in a position to comment. Furthermore, while I agree with the general sentiment of your very eloquent post, I don't think that it's the best way to achieve your stated aims. I will however make two more general comments - Firstly, I'm all for openly debating issues. As I posted recently, I think that having strong opinions and expressing them is a good thing. Disagreement can be extremely healthy - indeed necessary. Libetarian's will argue that the right to freedom of speech is absolute (and I can completely understand that position), though IMO certain situations do call for a degree of censorship. This being the case, you're naturally reliant upon those with the power to censor to do so wisely. All I'll say on that is - I think it's great that Silky and AB are moderating this forum. Secondly, I just wanted to pick up on your point about there being a fair amount of sarcasm on the ebay forum. It's certainly true that there's a lot of banter on the ebay forum and most of it is light-hearted fun. Unfortunately, I'm not so sure that it's all sarcastic or acerbic wit. While this forum may be jokingly called the "darkside", I actually think it's the ebay forum that has the tendency to become a little dark. Ultimately, whether it comes to provenance, banksy more generally or anything else for that matter, my advice to the newcomers is take your information from as many sources as you can and make up your own mind. |
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Checking provenance, by Strange Al on Apr 17, 2007 23:43:53 GMT 1, the ebay forum is the only really reliable source of information - seems that's where all the knowledge now resides - sad but true.
George - Although, I agree that in terms of provenance and buying Banksy's on ebay, the best source of independent information is on the Ebay forum. Though that shouldn't really surprise anyone - it is the Ebay Banksy forum after all. However, the Ebay forum is by no means the be all and end all of Banksy knowledge.
the ebay forum is the only really reliable source of information - seems that's where all the knowledge now resides - sad but true. George - Although, I agree that in terms of provenance and buying Banksy's on ebay, the best source of independent information is on the Ebay forum. Though that shouldn't really surprise anyone - it is the Ebay Banksy forum after all. However, the Ebay forum is by no means the be all and end all of Banksy knowledge. |
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Checking provenance, by Strange Al on Apr 18, 2007 1:27:46 GMT 1, Zippy - the reason you may be confused is that I'm not sticking up for anyone. What I've suggested, and I'll say it again, is that people read as much information as they can about whatever issue it is they're interested in and then make up their own minds.
This thread was originally about provenance, which is why I've been focusing on that predominantly. My views are and will remain, that aside from POW/LAZ and Mr B himself, the Ebay forum is the best place to confirm the legitimacy of a given print. I don't doubt for a second that certain ebay forum members can give you a near certain opinion on most works. There is obviously the wider debate about the value of such provenance if you ever come to sell the work, but that's a separate matter.
In respect of the second issue which this thread has now gravitated towards, I don't feel there's any need for me take sides or align myself with a particular camp. I'm well aware of what has been posted on both forums regarding the activities of certain members and know how I currently feel about things. But as I've stated previously, I don't feel that I have sufficient factual information to comment on particular incidents and therefore don't think it's fair for me to do so. Moreover, I really don't think that the approach that has been taken on this thread is the best way of resolving the situation.
Zippy - the reason you may be confused is that I'm not sticking up for anyone. What I've suggested, and I'll say it again, is that people read as much information as they can about whatever issue it is they're interested in and then make up their own minds.
This thread was originally about provenance, which is why I've been focusing on that predominantly. My views are and will remain, that aside from POW/LAZ and Mr B himself, the Ebay forum is the best place to confirm the legitimacy of a given print. I don't doubt for a second that certain ebay forum members can give you a near certain opinion on most works. There is obviously the wider debate about the value of such provenance if you ever come to sell the work, but that's a separate matter.
In respect of the second issue which this thread has now gravitated towards, I don't feel there's any need for me take sides or align myself with a particular camp. I'm well aware of what has been posted on both forums regarding the activities of certain members and know how I currently feel about things. But as I've stated previously, I don't feel that I have sufficient factual information to comment on particular incidents and therefore don't think it's fair for me to do so. Moreover, I really don't think that the approach that has been taken on this thread is the best way of resolving the situation.
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Checking provenance, by senna on Apr 18, 2007 2:10:48 GMT 1, hungrig, I wish i could express my thoughts literally as elequently as you. 
major boo i to silky i'm affraid.
worsed move was deleting threads 
the best provenance from pow is the original purchasers name.
email confirmation is not definate as often includes multiple items & does not include the print number(s). (lately they do, but do not always corrrespond with the actual number received)
very interesting thread
what the fuck am i doing up at this hour 
nu-night
hungrig, I wish i could express my thoughts literally as elequently as you. major boo i to silky i'm affraid. worsed move was deleting threads the best provenance from pow is the original purchasers name. email confirmation is not definate as often includes multiple items & does not include the print number(s). (lately they do, but do not always corrrespond with the actual number received) very interesting thread what the fuck am i doing up at this hour nu-night |
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gentรacardi on Apr 18, 2007 9:01:40 GMT 1, Hungrig - Agree with a lot you have to say. Current drama/bans aside though, why can't we all just get along??? Both forums offer a ton of help/advice/information. Personally I think the layout of .info is far superior, while I think more 'expert' voices use the Ebay forum. While I utilize both, I do find that the Ebay forum is a lot nastier and it takes part of the fun out of what brought us all together in the first place - a great artist/marketer named Banksy. Regardless which forum you prefer, let's get back to talking about art & artists - stop acting like middle schoolers, encourage heated discussion/dialouge and treat everyone with some respect.
Agree wholeheartedly. Please please PLEASE... can we all just get along as best as we can? 
However, I would like to state this: I do believe that there has been, of late, a gross misconception that this forum does not tolerate ANY discussions/debates/discourse whatsoever. "Oh, I have just stated my opinion, now I risk getting banned". C'mon, I'm sure we can all see that that's grossly extreme and honestly quite preposterous. Quite on the contrary, there is plenty of room for discussions/debates/discourse... but the method of delivery is the real issue here - and I speak not as a mod, but an active and observant member, which I have spent a huge majority of my membership on this forum as. There's a huge difference between formulating an argument with impartiality, respect, and tact... versus one laced with abrasive and potentially offensive/strong/extreme (whether intended or not) language and/or images. There has been quite many 'deep' discussions in the past that have gone completely unmoderated... quite simply because there was no need for any moderation whatsoever. People were civil, and even if they disagreed, they agreed to disagree peacefully and respectfully. I'd like to bring nuart up as a random example: He's never appeared to lose his cool, and I've personally had quite a few constructive discussions/debates with him about various subjects. No issues whatsoever, and the discussions carried on for several pages with no moderation needed at all! That's the way it should be. WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS. So please... let's make it happen. Also, please, let's stop the "this forum vs. that forum" quip - each 'side' has its strengths, so let's just complement each other as best as we can. It's all about Banksy, remember?
As for censorship/banning, you've gotta admit that there's occasionally a need for that, although I do agree that it should be exercised only as a last resort. For instance, if a person came on here, took part in an argument, got personal and used racial/sexist/derogatory/homophobic/etc. language (which has happened before), something has to be done. And that person's posts have no reason to remain on here either... I'm sure you'd all agree with me on that.
BTW: I am NOT referring to the specific MonkeyPuzzle/Policeaware incident - As I never saw any of the posts in question, I am grossly misinformed about that episode. And since I believe that a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing, I will not take an uneducated stance. I'm just addressing the general "We can't make any discussions here or we'll be banned" vibe that seems to be going around... which is really quite unnecessary and just plain wrong.
Whatever has happened in the past is in the past. Please... let's just try to (clichรฉ alert!!) build a better tomorrow (I warned ya!). As I've said in a recent post... let's just play nice, dammit!! The world has enough conflict as it is already!
Now... back to our regularly scheduled thread topic, which is about PROVENANCE!
Hungrig - Agree with a lot you have to say. Current drama/bans aside though, why can't we all just get along??? Both forums offer a ton of help/advice/information. Personally I think the layout of .info is far superior, while I think more 'expert' voices use the Ebay forum. While I utilize both, I do find that the Ebay forum is a lot nastier and it takes part of the fun out of what brought us all together in the first place - a great artist/marketer named Banksy. Regardless which forum you prefer, let's get back to talking about art & artists - stop acting like middle schoolers, encourage heated discussion/dialouge and treat everyone with some respect. Agree wholeheartedly. Please please PLEASE... can we all just get along as best as we can? However, I would like to state this: I do believe that there has been, of late, a gross misconception that this forum does not tolerate ANY discussions/debates/discourse whatsoever. "Oh, I have just stated my opinion, now I risk getting banned". C'mon, I'm sure we can all see that that's grossly extreme and honestly quite preposterous. Quite on the contrary, there is plenty of room for discussions/debates/discourse... but the method of delivery is the real issue here - and I speak not as a mod, but an active and observant member, which I have spent a huge majority of my membership on this forum as. There's a huge difference between formulating an argument with impartiality, respect, and tact... versus one laced with abrasive and potentially offensive/strong/extreme (whether intended or not) language and/or images. There has been quite many 'deep' discussions in the past that have gone completely unmoderated... quite simply because there was no need for any moderation whatsoever. People were civil, and even if they disagreed, they agreed to disagree peacefully and respectfully. I'd like to bring nuart up as a random example: He's never appeared to lose his cool, and I've personally had quite a few constructive discussions/debates with him about various subjects. No issues whatsoever, and the discussions carried on for several pages with no moderation needed at all! That's the way it should be. WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS. So please... let's make it happen. Also, please, let's stop the "this forum vs. that forum" quip - each 'side' has its strengths, so let's just complement each other as best as we can. It's all about Banksy, remember? As for censorship/banning, you've gotta admit that there's occasionally a need for that, although I do agree that it should be exercised only as a last resort. For instance, if a person came on here, took part in an argument, got personal and used racial/sexist/derogatory/homophobic/etc. language (which has happened before), something has to be done. And that person's posts have no reason to remain on here either... I'm sure you'd all agree with me on that. BTW: I am NOT referring to the specific MonkeyPuzzle/Policeaware incident - As I never saw any of the posts in question, I am grossly misinformed about that episode. And since I believe that a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing, I will not take an uneducated stance. I'm just addressing the general "We can't make any discussions here or we'll be banned" vibe that seems to be going around... which is really quite unnecessary and just plain wrong. Whatever has happened in the past is in the past. Please... let's just try to (clichรฉ alert!!) build a better tomorrow (I warned ya!). As I've said in a recent post... let's just play nice, dammit!! The world has enough conflict as it is already! Now... back to our regularly scheduled thread topic, which is about PROVENANCE! |
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Checking provenance, by Zippy on Apr 18, 2007 12:25:37 GMT 1, A lot of sensible replies on 2 very interesting subjects.
Firstly, there are lots of us here from different walks of life, from differnet continents with differnet beliefs but we all do have one thing in common..... the love of Banksy work so well said, lets get this back on track to discussing what we are really here for...
Point 2. Provenance.
When many of us first found 'Banksy' the prints were cheap and available from POW for months befor selling out. However, due to their low value, we never asked for receipts or provenance nor was anything sent out with them.
Recently, I have purchased a laugh now print privately and e-mailed POW. Dora, out of her own kindness, checked the registered owner matched up and confirmed for me.
This is a service POW offer to help with and do not get paid for, but its a great help to get the peace of mind before handing over vast sums of hard earned money.
Love you all,
Z
A lot of sensible replies on 2 very interesting subjects.
Firstly, there are lots of us here from different walks of life, from differnet continents with differnet beliefs but we all do have one thing in common..... the love of Banksy work so well said, lets get this back on track to discussing what we are really here for...
Point 2. Provenance.
When many of us first found 'Banksy' the prints were cheap and available from POW for months befor selling out. However, due to their low value, we never asked for receipts or provenance nor was anything sent out with them.
Recently, I have purchased a laugh now print privately and e-mailed POW. Dora, out of her own kindness, checked the registered owner matched up and confirmed for me.
This is a service POW offer to help with and do not get paid for, but its a great help to get the peace of mind before handing over vast sums of hard earned money.
Love you all,
Z
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Checking provenance, by fautebol on Apr 18, 2007 15:22:43 GMT 1, I am a newbie here who does not know anybody here or in another forum. But, if I am not crazy, there was a quite long, very polite, not-offending message from Hungrig yesterday in this subject.
Is there any explanation somewhere from the person who erased this mesage why this message was erased?
I am a newbie here who does not know anybody here or in another forum. But, if I am not crazy, there was a quite long, very polite, not-offending message from Hungrig yesterday in this subject.
Is there any explanation somewhere from the person who erased this mesage why this message was erased?
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Checking provenance, by Daniel Silk on Apr 18, 2007 15:48:52 GMT 1, Before anyone miss quotes me  what I'm about to say is a general comment, and is not about anyone in particular.
Setting up these forums has put me in the position of feeling a little responsible for the image of the artists in the way the fan base looks to new people visiting the forum. So posts that could be seen as damaging or negative to the artist, forum members, or the forum in general will be removed.
Before anyone miss quotes me what I'm about to say is a general comment, and is not about anyone in particular. Setting up these forums has put me in the position of feeling a little responsible for the image of the artists in the way the fan base looks to new people visiting the forum. So posts that could be seen as damaging or negative to the artist, forum members, or the forum in general will be removed. |
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Checking provenance, by numusic on Apr 18, 2007 16:19:16 GMT 1, Before anyone miss quotes me what I'm about to say is a general comment, and is not about anyone in particular. Setting up these forums has put me in the position of feeling a little responsible for the image of the artists in the way the fan base looks to new people visiting the forum. So posts that could be seen as damaging or negative to the artist, forum members, or the forum in general will be removed.
Silky, you know me, and I've avoided getting into this playground spat between forums, but really. The post from Hungrig was a really sensible and valid post. He managed to convey in one post what will now take a hundred to get through.. The post was undoubtably positive to the memebrs on here as it pointed out that the ebay group should be consulted on any dubious Banksy's etc. Most members on here buy exclusively through ebay.. and without a doubt, there are members on the ebay forum who are able to provide info that this board cannot.
To be honest, I don't care who is banned from a persons private forum, it's not my labour of love. But to delete threads and content that is clearly helpful to it's members on a based on your personal issues with members really cannot be justified.
The members post the content to this board as a "public" service to fellow members. It's not personal and not aimed at you. Hunrigs post was to the members.
You really need to have a think and discuss things through before you delete things. A lot of new members are not aware of the ebay banksy board and would benefit from using it as a reference source in conjection with this one.
Can we please get this back to being an open and "public" forum before it turns silly. You needn't take things so personally, people perceive this as a "public" forum, if that changes, and it seems to have started. Then the place will just become a mundane chat board.
Peace and love.
Before anyone miss quotes me what I'm about to say is a general comment, and is not about anyone in particular. Setting up these forums has put me in the position of feeling a little responsible for the image of the artists in the way the fan base looks to new people visiting the forum. So posts that could be seen as damaging or negative to the artist, forum members, or the forum in general will be removed. Silky, you know me, and I've avoided getting into this playground spat between forums, but really. The post from Hungrig was a really sensible and valid post. He managed to convey in one post what will now take a hundred to get through.. The post was undoubtably positive to the memebrs on here as it pointed out that the ebay group should be consulted on any dubious Banksy's etc. Most members on here buy exclusively through ebay.. and without a doubt, there are members on the ebay forum who are able to provide info that this board cannot. To be honest, I don't care who is banned from a persons private forum, it's not my labour of love. But to delete threads and content that is clearly helpful to it's members on a based on your personal issues with members really cannot be justified. The members post the content to this board as a "public" service to fellow members. It's not personal and not aimed at you. Hunrigs post was to the members. You really need to have a think and discuss things through before you delete things. A lot of new members are not aware of the ebay banksy board and would benefit from using it as a reference source in conjection with this one. Can we please get this back to being an open and "public" forum before it turns silly. You needn't take things so personally, people perceive this as a "public" forum, if that changes, and it seems to have started. Then the place will just become a mundane chat board. Peace and love. |
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Checking provenance, by Daniel Silk on Apr 18, 2007 16:39:31 GMT 1, Yep, Thanks Nu  I know, I know, I can get things wrong in many peoples eyes, but I really really am trying to keep this place as friendly and helpful as I can  It seems to mean I must take the flack when things aint seen to be right  But I really am tryin ma best 
Yep, Thanks Nu I know, I know, I can get things wrong in many peoples eyes, but I really really am trying to keep this place as friendly and helpful as I can It seems to mean I must take the flack when things aint seen to be right But I really am tryin ma best |
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Checking provenance, by arcam on Apr 18, 2007 16:57:17 GMT 1, Yep, Thanks Nu I know, I know, I can get things wrong in many peoples eyes, but I really really am trying to keep this place as friendly and helpful as I can It seems to mean I must take the flack when things aint seen to be right But I really am tryin ma best
Silky please don't take this the wrong way but I get the feeling you take any discussion as to how the site is run very personally. I appreciate you've put a lot of hard work into it and can understand you wishing to protect it. But sometimes a discussion is good, if anything just for clearing the air. Just deleting a thread is merely sweeping issues people have under the carpet. A web site is only as good as it's members so sometimes you have to let people have their say. In the long run, the site will reap the rewards.
Yep, Thanks Nu I know, I know, I can get things wrong in many peoples eyes, but I really really am trying to keep this place as friendly and helpful as I can It seems to mean I must take the flack when things aint seen to be right But I really am tryin ma best Silky please don't take this the wrong way but I get the feeling you take any discussion as to how the site is run very personally. I appreciate you've put a lot of hard work into it and can understand you wishing to protect it. But sometimes a discussion is good, if anything just for clearing the air. Just deleting a thread is merely sweeping issues people have under the carpet. A web site is only as good as it's members so sometimes you have to let people have their say. In the long run, the site will reap the rewards. |
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Checking provenance, by numusic on Apr 18, 2007 17:04:01 GMT 1, Yep, Thanks Nu I know, I know, I can get things wrong in many peoples eyes, but I really really am trying to keep this place as friendly and helpful as I can It seems to mean I must take the flack when things aint seen to be right But I really am tryin ma best
I'm instigating a 24 hour restriction on you for deleting non abusive thread and posts, kinda like the "breathe and count to ten" method I use before deciding whether to punch someone out or not
Looking at some of my earlier ranting posts I might instigate the 24 hour rule of posting up messages myself
Yep, Thanks Nu I know, I know, I can get things wrong in many peoples eyes, but I really really am trying to keep this place as friendly and helpful as I can It seems to mean I must take the flack when things aint seen to be right But I really am tryin ma best I'm instigating a 24 hour restriction on you for deleting non abusive thread and posts, kinda like the "breathe and count to ten" method I use before deciding whether to punch someone out or not Looking at some of my earlier ranting posts I might instigate the 24 hour rule of posting up messages myself |
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Checking provenance, by gbh on Apr 18, 2007 17:04:35 GMT 1, A suggestion:
Might it be a good idea to have a prescribed set of forum rules (normally set as a sticky)?
It's a very commonplace practice on forums so as to avoid specifically "situations".
If the rules are clearly defined as to what is acceptable and unacceptable content as set out by the forum owner, no users can be under any misconceptions as to the possible reactions to what they post.
If the forums are getting large and active, it might be a good idea to add SEVERAL moderators to assist with general admin. Of course these moderators are chosen at the discretion of the forum owner and I imagine would need to have their own code of practice.
Perhaps spreading the load to 5 or 6 moderators could lift the workload a little and serve to spread the administrative responsibilities to a broader section of viewpoints and spread the flak bursts over a wider area.
Have seen this exact type of forum growing pains several times before on other large boards.
A suggestion:
Might it be a good idea to have a prescribed set of forum rules (normally set as a sticky)?
It's a very commonplace practice on forums so as to avoid specifically "situations".
If the rules are clearly defined as to what is acceptable and unacceptable content as set out by the forum owner, no users can be under any misconceptions as to the possible reactions to what they post.
If the forums are getting large and active, it might be a good idea to add SEVERAL moderators to assist with general admin. Of course these moderators are chosen at the discretion of the forum owner and I imagine would need to have their own code of practice.
Perhaps spreading the load to 5 or 6 moderators could lift the workload a little and serve to spread the administrative responsibilities to a broader section of viewpoints and spread the flak bursts over a wider area.
Have seen this exact type of forum growing pains several times before on other large boards.
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Checking provenance, by arcam on Apr 18, 2007 17:07:01 GMT 1, A suggestion: Might it be a good idea to have a prescribed set of forum rules (normally set as a sticky)? It's a very commonplace practice on forums so as to avoid specifically "situations". If the rules are clearly defined as to what is acceptable and unacceptable content as set out by the forum owner, no users can be under any misconceptions as to the possible reactions to what they post. If the forums are getting large and active, it might be a good idea to add SEVERAL moderators to assist with general admin. Of course these moderators are chosen at the discretion of the forum owner and I imagine would need to have their own code of practice. Perhaps spreading the load to 5 or 6 moderators could lift the workload a little and serve to spread the administrative responsibilities to a broader section of viewpoints and spread the flak bursts over a wider area. Have seen this exact type of forum growing pains several times before on other large boards.
Spot on.
A suggestion: Might it be a good idea to have a prescribed set of forum rules (normally set as a sticky)? It's a very commonplace practice on forums so as to avoid specifically "situations". If the rules are clearly defined as to what is acceptable and unacceptable content as set out by the forum owner, no users can be under any misconceptions as to the possible reactions to what they post. If the forums are getting large and active, it might be a good idea to add SEVERAL moderators to assist with general admin. Of course these moderators are chosen at the discretion of the forum owner and I imagine would need to have their own code of practice. Perhaps spreading the load to 5 or 6 moderators could lift the workload a little and serve to spread the administrative responsibilities to a broader section of viewpoints and spread the flak bursts over a wider area. Have seen this exact type of forum growing pains several times before on other large boards. Spot on. |
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Checking provenance, by manchestermike on Apr 18, 2007 17:17:40 GMT 1, And it has to be said, people in general know who is who, who to trust and who not to. Can I make the request that the entire respect system is removed. Looking back over any issues the respect system seems more or less at the root of most problems
And it has to be said, people in general know who is who, who to trust and who not to. Can I make the request that the entire respect system is removed. Looking back over any issues the respect system seems more or less at the root of most problems
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Checking provenance, by fautebol on Apr 18, 2007 17:27:52 GMT 1, A suggestion: Might it be a good idea to have a prescribed set of forum rules (normally set as a sticky)?
I wrote a long message why I felt that I could not participate in this forum if negative comments in general were not allowed. Fortunately, I refreshed before to post it and see that the discussion is evolving. I totally agree.
A suggestion: Might it be a good idea to have a prescribed set of forum rules (normally set as a sticky)? I wrote a long message why I felt that I could not participate in this forum if negative comments in general were not allowed. Fortunately, I refreshed before to post it and see that the discussion is evolving. I totally agree. |
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Checking provenance, by corblimeylimey on Apr 18, 2007 17:52:13 GMT 1, And it has to be said, people in general know who is who, who to trust and who not to. Can I make the request that the entire respect system is removed. Looking back over any issues the respect system seems more or less at the root of most problems
Not sure it is (but I'll go with your suggestion, I'm not bothered if it's here or not)
Maybe the thing here is the fact it's Silky's forum and he's trying to run it the way he wants to.
It must be annoying for him with everyone coming in and thinking they know better, and lots of hot air about this or that and this should or shouldn't happen, when all he wants is for us to get on with the issues that this forum is meant to be about, Banksy and associated art.
We can disagree with each other and have useful discussion, but more along the lines of art work etc rather than how the site is run, it might be an idyllic view but seems to be working as this forum does better than most in members ability to "play nice"
And it has to be said, people in general know who is who, who to trust and who not to. Can I make the request that the entire respect system is removed. Looking back over any issues the respect system seems more or less at the root of most problems Not sure it is (but I'll go with your suggestion, I'm not bothered if it's here or not) Maybe the thing here is the fact it's Silky's forum and he's trying to run it the way he wants to. It must be annoying for him with everyone coming in and thinking they know better, and lots of hot air about this or that and this should or shouldn't happen, when all he wants is for us to get on with the issues that this forum is meant to be about, Banksy and associated art. We can disagree with each other and have useful discussion, but more along the lines of art work etc rather than how the site is run, it might be an idyllic view but seems to be working as this forum does better than most in members ability to "play nice" |
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Checking provenance, by Vsix on Apr 18, 2007 17:52:53 GMT 1, Is it me!! or am I going mad!! there seems to be a few missing posts on this thread and now it doesn't seem to make much sense!! ...anyone confused about seeking provenance will be more confused than ever and like me not risk starting a discussion seeking clarification!!
(putin eat your heart out )
Is it me!! or am I going mad!! there seems to be a few missing posts on this thread and now it doesn't seem to make much sense!! ...anyone confused about seeking provenance will be more confused than ever and like me not risk starting a discussion seeking clarification!! (putin eat your heart out ) |
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Checking provenance, by Run Pig Run on Apr 18, 2007 17:56:50 GMT 1, all of my posts sticking up for this forum and silky got deleted.
all of my posts sticking up for this forum and silky got deleted.
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Checking provenance, by corblimeylimey on Apr 18, 2007 17:59:01 GMT 1, all of my posts sticking up for this forum and silky got deleted.
;D ^^ DELETE DELETE ^^
all of my posts sticking up for this forum and silky got deleted. ;D ^^ DELETE DELETE ^^ |
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Checking provenance, by Daniel Silk on Apr 18, 2007 18:44:52 GMT 1, all of my posts sticking up for this forum and silky got deleted.
Ya see! ;D I cant get much fairer than that now can I ;D
all of my posts sticking up for this forum and silky got deleted. Ya see! ;D I cant get much fairer than that now can I ;D |
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Checking provenance, by ogrgel on Apr 18, 2007 18:45:04 GMT 1, And it has to be said, people in general know who is who, who to trust and who not to. Can I make the request that the entire respect system is removed. Looking back over any issues the respect system seems more or less at the root of most problems Not sure it is (but I'll go with your suggestion, I'm not bothered if it's here or not) Maybe the thing here is the fact it's Silky's forum and he's trying to run it the way he wants to. It must be annoying for him with everyone coming in and thinking they know better, and lots of hot air about this or that and this should or shouldn't happen, when all he wants is for us to get on with the issues that this forum is meant to be about, Banksy and associated art. We can disagree with each other and have useful discussion, but more along the lines of art work etc rather than how the site is run, it might be an idyllic view but seems to be working as this forum does better than most in members ability to "play nice"
I agree ..
this forum should be about informations, not emotions ;D    
And it has to be said, people in general know who is who, who to trust and who not to. Can I make the request that the entire respect system is removed. Looking back over any issues the respect system seems more or less at the root of most problems Not sure it is (but I'll go with your suggestion, I'm not bothered if it's here or not) Maybe the thing here is the fact it's Silky's forum and he's trying to run it the way he wants to. It must be annoying for him with everyone coming in and thinking they know better, and lots of hot air about this or that and this should or shouldn't happen, when all he wants is for us to get on with the issues that this forum is meant to be about, Banksy and associated art. We can disagree with each other and have useful discussion, but more along the lines of art work etc rather than how the site is run, it might be an idyllic view but seems to be working as this forum does better than most in members ability to "play nice" I agree .. this forum should be about informations, not emotions ;D |
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what I'm about to say is a general comment, and is not about anyone in particular.
I know, I know, I can get things wrong in many peoples eyes, but I really really am trying to keep this place as friendly and helpful as I can 
It seems to mean I must take the flack when things aint seen to be right 
But I really am tryin ma best 
