[Daniel Silk]

Just been thinking

With all the pieces Banksy did in Bethlehem concerning the Israel and Palestine conflict, could Northern Ireland be his next move?

Would it be a good idea? I just think it would be a really interesting move as they have such a history of political murals over there, it might be an easy place for Banksy to get some massive street pieces done unnoticed (or not).

Or would it be a bit dangerous? I dunno, what do you think? ;D

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Irish_murals

[cashman]

Mar 12, 2009 13:20:11 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Just been thinking

With all the pieces Banksy did in Bethlehem concerning the Israel and Palestine conflict, could Northern Ireland be his next move?

Would it be a good idea? I just think it would be a really interesting move as they have such a history of political murals over there, it might be an easy place for Banksy to get some massive street pieces done unnoticed (or not).

Or would it be a bit dangerous? I dunno, what do you think? ;D

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Irish_murals

Good idea, he could do something like walkers 'hand plant'
but change it to 'plant a bomb'

[richmister]

The walls over here could definitely do with getting brightened up. Not much street art pieces in Belfast apart from the obvious.

[richmister]

I don't think it would be too dangerous. It would be quite easy for him to get stuff up here as long he he hits up the right places. I would be happy to guide him around.

[cashman]

Mar 12, 2009 16:32:00 GMT 1 @alsbabar said:

i doubt he would, as the issue with Northern Ireland is more to do with religion, rather than just politics, greed, commercialism, poverty, or an unjust cause

I think you will find its pure terrorism nowaday...Religion is an excuse for what is basically organised crime

[Prescription Art]

Mar 12, 2009 16:32:00 GMT 1 @alsbabar said:

i doubt he would, as the issue with Northern Ireland is more to do with religion, rather than just politics, greed, commercialism, poverty, or an unjust cause

The Irish 'problem' stems from the oppression of the catholics, and seems to have many parallels with the Israeli / Palestinian situation to me.

[Daniel Silk]

Mar 12, 2009 16:55:06 GMT 1 Prescription Art said:

Mar 12, 2009 16:32:00 GMT 1 @alsbabar said:

i doubt he would, as the issue with Northern Ireland is more to do with religion, rather than just politics, greed, commercialism, poverty, or an unjust cause

The Irish 'problem' stems from the oppression of the catholics, and seems to have many parallels with the Israeli / Palestinian situation to me.

Yeah, thats what I was thinkin
I just think it could bring out some really strong work from Banksy

[Chris Keegan]

I would guess its just a bit before his time really. He is probably not that old.
The murals are amazing and i would love to and see them sometime. Don't think Banksy's work would really stand up very well against the personal emotiveness of the murals. But it would be very interesting to see him try anyway. Maybe a clever pastiche of one could work.

[thegreatarchitect]

The conflict in Ireland is a complex issue and goes back to the days of Oliver Cromwell, after the death of Charles I (1649) Cromwell campaigned there to increase Taxes which started uprisings and concluding with the whole sale massacre of the Catholic people.
Banksy IMO would do well to stay out of it. An artistic sentiment might not go down to well

[Deleted]

Mar 12, 2009 18:15:57 GMT 1 @thegreatarchitect said:

The conflict in Ireland is a complex issue and goes back to the days of Oliver Cromwell, after the death of Charles I (1649) Cromwell campaigned there to increase Taxes which started uprisings and concluding with the whole sale massacre of the Catholic people.
Banksy IMO would do well to stay out of it. An artistic sentiment might not go down to well

I agree. Will not go down well. Stay well away.

[Curley]

Three people lost their lives there this week due to sectarian violence against British rule and
you are thinking it might be a good idea for him to go and paint there.

What do you think would happen to him if he was caught and i don't mean by the police.

[Daniel Silk]

Mar 12, 2009 18:31:24 GMT 1 Curley said:

Three people lost their lives there this week due to sectarian violence against British rule and
you are thinking it might be a good idea for him to go and paint there.

What do you think would happen to him if he was caught and i don't mean by the police.

Is it more dangerous than Bethlehem?

[Deleted]

Mar 12, 2009 18:36:15 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Mar 12, 2009 18:31:24 GMT 1 Curley said:

Three people lost their lives there this week due to sectarian violence against British rule and
you are thinking it might be a good idea for him to go and paint there.

What do you think would happen to him if he was caught and i don't mean by the police.

Is it more dangerous than Bethlehem?

In the estates of london if you get caught selling drugs they will call the police on you. if you get caught in certain parts of ireland you wont have any knee caps. this is no joke. It is community law in some parts

[Curley]

Yes it can be if you are caught doing something you should not be doing in an area you should not be in.
What do you think would happen if he was caught putting Street art up art on a Republican estate...
He would be knee capped and beaten, they have there own way of dealing with things over there.

i have been to Derry and seen the Murals, i have friends there and it can still feel
like a very scary place.

[Daniel Silk]

[Daniel Silk]

[trapnel1]

Mar 12, 2009 18:45:59 GMT 1 Curley said:

i have been to Derry and seen the Murals, i have friends there and it can still feel
like a very scary place.

Belfast (and Northern Ireland in general) are not any more dangerous than lots of other big cities, despite the violence this week. There are places I wouldn't go alone at night, but the same is true of almost anywhere. Banksy will be very welcome - as are all visitors!

[funster]

Mar 12, 2009 18:15:57 GMT 1 @thegreatarchitect said:

The conflict in Ireland is a complex issue and goes back to the days of Oliver Cromwell, after the death of Charles I (1649) Cromwell campaigned there to increase Taxes which started uprisings and concluding with the whole sale massacre of the Catholic people.
Banksy IMO would do well to stay out of it. An artistic sentiment might not go down to well

You're right, it is complex, so why try and sum it up with such a comment: "increase Taxes which started uprisings and concluding with the whole sale massacre of the Catholic people." Are you sure that 350 years on this is still solely over taxation started issue?

[Deleted]

Mar 12, 2009 19:03:22 GMT 1 trapnel1 said:

Mar 12, 2009 18:45:59 GMT 1 Curley said:

i have been to Derry and seen the Murals, i have friends there and it can still feel
like a very scary place.

Belfast (and Northern Ireland in general) are not any more dangerous than lots of other big cities, despite the violence this week. There are places I wouldn't go alone at night, but the same is true of almost anywhere. Banksy will be very welcome - as are all visitors!

I also agree with this, even though it is dangerous please dont stop holidaying there. The lady's are the best and the black stuff is always nice! The capping stuff only happens in the worst parts, just like any worse part in the world, from italy to zimbabwe. Ireland rules. Go there and have mucho fun

[richmister]

Mar 12, 2009 18:56:03 GMT 1 @alsbabar said:

Mar 12, 2009 18:36:15 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Is it more dangerous than Bethlehem?

right now i would feel much safer in bethlehem then i would in northern ireland

This is why i'm sick of the media frenzy over here at the moment.

[neale]

Northern Ireland, and for that matter anywhere else ,is as safe as you want it to be. Have been to Belfast a few times with work and always had a great time. Tagging a wall may carry more significance over there, because of the poliital murals that you still see, as with everywhere you need to respect the feelings of the local people and act accordingly

[tinkicker]

What is happening in the north at the moment is a crime gang lookin for its turf and nothing more than that!The people of Ireland do not give support to this movement of terror!This not a fight for freedom but a fight for the spoils of war which they were left out of during the peace process!Banksy should come and paint the facts of the matter!For these people are just pure thugs after money and power!They do not operate on behalf of the Irish people or nation!

[elwheel]

Mar 12, 2009 16:32:00 GMT 1 @alsbabar said:

i doubt he would, as the issue with Northern Ireland is more to do with religion, rather than just politics, greed, commercialism, poverty, or an unjust cause

'Divide and conquer' has been a traditional and oft used weapon in Britains armoury. The native six county demographic is primarily a result of the plantation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster). The agreed partition in 1921 secured Britain 6 of the 9 counties of the ancient province of Ulster. To have incuded the remaining three - Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan, would have prevented protestants ( and mainly unionists) from forming a majority in their much reduced Irish colony and this would have threatened the remnants of their former all-Ireland colony. Religious division in Ireland is a tactic as old as Sun Tzu but with what seems like eternal consequences. The root cause of the conflict and tissue-thin peace is the issue of being an occupied country imo. Are religion, greed, commercialism, poverty and politics not the key causes of strife in most countries?

[elwheel]

Mar 12, 2009 18:15:57 GMT 1 @thegreatarchitect said:

The conflict in Ireland is a complex issue and goes back to the days of Oliver Cromwell, after the death of Charles I (1649) Cromwell campaigned there to increase Taxes which started uprisings and concluding with the whole sale massacre of the Catholic people.
Banksy IMO would do well to stay out of it. An artistic sentiment might not go down to well

Try the Norman Conquest in 1169.

[elwheel]

Mar 12, 2009 18:31:24 GMT 1 Curley said:

Three people lost their lives there this week due to sectarian violence against British rule and
you are thinking it might be a good idea for him to go and paint there.

What do you think would happen to him if he was caught and i don't mean by the police.

A contradiction if you think about it...The police officer who died also happened to be a former RUC man of 23 years service and a Catholic.

[elwheel]

Mar 12, 2009 18:36:15 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Mar 12, 2009 18:31:24 GMT 1 Curley said:

Three people lost their lives there this week due to sectarian violence against British rule and
you are thinking it might be a good idea for him to go and paint there.

What do you think would happen to him if he was caught and i don't mean by the police.

Is it more dangerous than Bethlehem?

I would hazard a guess, living and travelling here, that every city, town and village in the North is demonstrably safer than Sheffield, London, Glasgow, New York, Toronto etc.. low to negligible knfe and gun crime, sexual asualt, rape, armed robbery...

[elwheel]

Mar 12, 2009 18:42:06 GMT 1 londonliam08 said:

Mar 12, 2009 18:36:15 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Is it more dangerous than Bethlehem?

In the estates of london if you get caught selling drugs they will call the police on you. if you get caught in certain parts of ireland you wont have any knee caps. this is no joke. It is community law in some parts

A rare exception rather than the rule these days

[elwheel]

Mar 12, 2009 18:45:59 GMT 1 Curley said:

Yes it can be if you are caught doing something you should not be doing in an area you should not be in.
What do you think would happen if he was caught putting Street art up art on a Republican estate...
He would be knee capped and beaten, they have there own way of dealing with things over there.

i have been to Derry and seen the Murals, i have friends there and it can still feel
like a very scary place.

He would be welcomed, housed, watered and feted. He would be lauded and respected. You are living in a bubble mate.

[thegreatarchitect]

Mar 12, 2009 19:03:23 GMT 1 funster said:

Mar 12, 2009 18:15:57 GMT 1 @thegreatarchitect said:

The conflict in Ireland is a complex issue and goes back to the days of Oliver Cromwell, after the death of Charles I (1649) Cromwell campaigned there to increase Taxes which started uprisings and concluding with the whole sale massacre of the Catholic people.
Banksy IMO would do well to stay out of it. An artistic sentiment might not go down to well

You're right, it is complex, so why try and sum it up with such a comment: "increase Taxes which started uprisings and concluding with the whole sale massacre of the Catholic people." Are you sure that 350 years on this is still solely over taxation started issue?

OK I wont. I'll say After Henry VIII split with the church and abolished the monasteries in 1533/34 and once his daughter MARY I resurrected the burning laws which saw the deaths of over three hundred Protestants by fire England on the death of MARY went to great measures to ensure that no Catholic would hold the crown again
Charles I had catholic sympathies, Cromwell's slaughter of the Catholic people and William of Orange war against LOUIS XVI of France allowing him to become the main figure of the Protestant faith hasn't help the problems in Ireland especially when Orange marchers went through Catholic strong holds .so on and so on.
MY point was that the troubles that have just flared up again repeat how ADAMS got started and that if Bansky did a piece no matter how welcome he would be made if viewed unfavorably by some Whats the point taking a risk
The IRA were well known for knocking on the door just after Tea

[thegreatarchitect]

Mar 13, 2009 0:46:00 GMT 1 elwheel said:

Mar 12, 2009 18:15:57 GMT 1 @thegreatarchitect said:

The conflict in Ireland is a complex issue and goes back to the days of Oliver Cromwell, after the death of Charles I (1649) Cromwell campaigned there to increase Taxes which started uprisings and concluding with the whole sale massacre of the Catholic people.
Banksy IMO would do well to stay out of it. An artistic sentiment might not go down to well

Try the Norman Conquest in 1169.

The 1169 invasion was not a religious issue but an invasion over Helen of Troy