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21st century love, by verbalkint on May 16, 2007 17:55:03 GMT 1, Just wondered what you think to my new 21st century love canvas. its a good copy i reckon. my friend did it for me
Just wondered what you think to my new 21st century love canvas. its a good copy i reckon. my friend did it for me |
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21st century love, by verbalkint on May 16, 2007 19:02:00 GMT 1, anyone?
anyone?
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21st century love, by Montubu7 on May 16, 2007 19:14:14 GMT 1, Yer, its alright - bit cheaper than an original i bet...
Yer, its alright - bit cheaper than an original i bet...
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21st century love, by tomhills1 on May 16, 2007 19:23:56 GMT 1, by hand?
by hand?
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21st century love, by lastpost on May 16, 2007 19:28:02 GMT 1, I like!!! Does he want to do anymore?
I like!!! Does he want to do anymore?
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21st century love, by manchestermike on May 16, 2007 19:31:54 GMT 1, I like it... I just don't get the replica thing though
I like it... I just don't get the replica thing though
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21st century love, by ABC on May 16, 2007 21:28:23 GMT 1, Its good but...If he can paint that well then why not do something different. Then again if thats what you wanted I think it has been well executed.
Its good but...If he can paint that well then why not do something different. Then again if thats what you wanted I think it has been well executed.
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21st century love, by verbalkint on May 16, 2007 21:37:00 GMT 1, yeah he will do any image. I just really liked this one and i refuse to spend ยฃ4000 to ยฃ5000 on it, i asked if he could do it and he did this. I just think its a good way to get an image you like for next to nothing
yeah he will do any image. I just really liked this one and i refuse to spend ยฃ4000 to ยฃ5000 on it, i asked if he could do it and he did this. I just think its a good way to get an image you like for next to nothing
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21st century love, by ABC on May 16, 2007 21:44:16 GMT 1, Agreed, what did it cost, Is it in Oils or Acrylic?
Agreed, what did it cost, Is it in Oils or Acrylic?
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21st century love, by CR on May 16, 2007 22:40:17 GMT 1, ยฃ400 which is what you said he charges isn't exactly next to nothing, you could buy a banksy flag for that or even a micallef angel bomber
ยฃ400 which is what you said he charges isn't exactly next to nothing, you could buy a banksy flag for that or even a micallef angel bomber
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21st century love, by verbalkint on May 16, 2007 23:25:35 GMT 1, CR it was ยฃ400 for the 140cm x 140cm canvas, he would do a print sixe one for ยฃ250, and considering the detail i think thats really good value. He does stencils like GWB for ยฃ30, and they look fucking brilliant too. He did a Napalm which is absolutely spot on.
Point is that if there is a micallef original of which there is no print edition, if you can get a good image of it, then this guy can do it for you. Now obviously its not the original and you will always know it isnt, but there is no other way of you ever having that image on your wall, even if you were a billionaire it might never come up for sale. So i think that if you can get an exact copy done, just for your own viewing pleasure then it is money well spent. I have seen many people on here on 'what is your favourite banksy image' or 'what is your favourite micallef image' posts mention original works and then say 'so there is no chance of me ever owning it'.
I know some of you dont see the pont in buying something like this, but i love the image and i dont care that this is worthless, i didnt buy it for an investment, i bought it to hang on my wall.
CR it was ยฃ400 for the 140cm x 140cm canvas, he would do a print sixe one for ยฃ250, and considering the detail i think thats really good value. He does stencils like GWB for ยฃ30, and they look fucking brilliant too. He did a Napalm which is absolutely spot on.
Point is that if there is a micallef original of which there is no print edition, if you can get a good image of it, then this guy can do it for you. Now obviously its not the original and you will always know it isnt, but there is no other way of you ever having that image on your wall, even if you were a billionaire it might never come up for sale. So i think that if you can get an exact copy done, just for your own viewing pleasure then it is money well spent. I have seen many people on here on 'what is your favourite banksy image' or 'what is your favourite micallef image' posts mention original works and then say 'so there is no chance of me ever owning it'.
I know some of you dont see the pont in buying something like this, but i love the image and i dont care that this is worthless, i didnt buy it for an investment, i bought it to hang on my wall.
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21st century love, by verbalkint on May 16, 2007 23:27:58 GMT 1, and ABC, it is oils i believe
and ABC, it is oils i believe
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21st century love, by dave313perry on May 16, 2007 23:30:42 GMT 1, looks brilliant mate, would love one! i was thinking of creating a few replica banksy prints as i work in a design/ print house just without the pow stamp and signature but my thread got pulled after all of ten seconds! i think its a great way to offer unaffordable to the masses art, and still with a high level of skill involved!
looks brilliant mate, would love one! i was thinking of creating a few replica banksy prints as i work in a design/ print house just without the pow stamp and signature but my thread got pulled after all of ten seconds! i think its a great way to offer unaffordable to the masses art, and still with a high level of skill involved!
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21st century love, by dave313perry on May 16, 2007 23:31:09 GMT 1, is that another canvas next to it!?
is that another canvas next to it!?
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21st century love, by verbalkint on May 17, 2007 5:58:05 GMT 1, yes, its my girl with balloon copy
yes, its my girl with balloon copy
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21st century love, by CR on May 17, 2007 9:15:59 GMT 1, CR it was ยฃ400 for the 140cm x 140cm canvas, he would do a print sixe one for ยฃ250, and considering the detail i think thats really good value. He does stencils like GWB for ยฃ30, and they look f**king brilliant too. He did a Napalm which is absolutely spot on. Point is that if there is a micallef original of which there is no print edition, if you can get a good image of it, then this guy can do it for you. Now obviously its not the original and you will always know it isnt, but there is no other way of you ever having that image on your wall, even if you were a billionaire it might never come up for sale. So i think that if you can get an exact copy done, just for your own viewing pleasure then it is money well spent. I have seen many people on here on 'what is your favourite banksy image' or 'what is your favourite micallef image' posts mention original works and then say 'so there is no chance of me ever owning it'. I know some of you dont see the pont in buying something like this, but i love the image and i dont care that this is worthless, i didnt buy it for an investment, i bought it to hang on my wall.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I myself get a high res image and get it printed on good quality paper if I like an image and want it on my wall, like my crude oil which cost me ยฃ20.
All I am disagreeing with is the fact that ยฃ400, regardless of the size, is not next to nothing!
great image though.
CR
CR it was ยฃ400 for the 140cm x 140cm canvas, he would do a print sixe one for ยฃ250, and considering the detail i think thats really good value. He does stencils like GWB for ยฃ30, and they look f**king brilliant too. He did a Napalm which is absolutely spot on. Point is that if there is a micallef original of which there is no print edition, if you can get a good image of it, then this guy can do it for you. Now obviously its not the original and you will always know it isnt, but there is no other way of you ever having that image on your wall, even if you were a billionaire it might never come up for sale. So i think that if you can get an exact copy done, just for your own viewing pleasure then it is money well spent. I have seen many people on here on 'what is your favourite banksy image' or 'what is your favourite micallef image' posts mention original works and then say 'so there is no chance of me ever owning it'. I know some of you dont see the pont in buying something like this, but i love the image and i dont care that this is worthless, i didnt buy it for an investment, i bought it to hang on my wall. I'm not disagreeing with you, I myself get a high res image and get it printed on good quality paper if I like an image and want it on my wall, like my crude oil which cost me ยฃ20. All I am disagreeing with is the fact that ยฃ400, regardless of the size, is not next to nothing! great image though. CR |
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21st century love, by Strange Al on May 17, 2007 10:52:15 GMT 1, Verbal - you've got yourself a very nice Mic repro there and at a fraction of the cost of what the real thing would have set you back. I can completely understand why forum members are resorting to making copies of works. With the current market prices, the desirable pieces are now far beyond most people's financial means. Quite aside from the fact that certain images are one-off originals, which we may never see come up for sale again.
However, I'm very much against the practice of people making reproductions, offering them to the public and charging money for them! Not only is this a blatant infringement of an artist's copyright, but it leads to a serious risk of copies finding their way into the open market and being passed off as originals. At some point down the line an innocent punter may end up paying substantial sums of money for a piece which is pretty much worthless.
While Verbal's Mic copy is awesome, it's immediately recognizable as a copy. Therefore, I think there's little chance it could ever be passed off as an original. Plus I don't believe that Verbal would ever intend to - he's obviously commissioned it for his personal enjoyment.
That doesn't mean however that I think artist's should be encouraged to produce reproductions. While it's probably more effort than it's worth to produce a perfect reproduction of one of the more intricate Mics (though I'm sure a professional forger could), other works such as most of Banksy's stencils are easy to fake. Look at the debate that's currently raging about the authenticity of the Bombhugger canvas on ebay.
I know that Banksy makes some of his own images available for people to print out for personal enjoyment. However, this is very different from a third party artist reproducing the works for profit.
I appreciate that people think they're just offering other members of the forum a valuable service. Though, IMO this practice shouldn't be encouraged.
Verbal - you've got yourself a very nice Mic repro there and at a fraction of the cost of what the real thing would have set you back. I can completely understand why forum members are resorting to making copies of works. With the current market prices, the desirable pieces are now far beyond most people's financial means. Quite aside from the fact that certain images are one-off originals, which we may never see come up for sale again.
However, I'm very much against the practice of people making reproductions, offering them to the public and charging money for them! Not only is this a blatant infringement of an artist's copyright, but it leads to a serious risk of copies finding their way into the open market and being passed off as originals. At some point down the line an innocent punter may end up paying substantial sums of money for a piece which is pretty much worthless.
While Verbal's Mic copy is awesome, it's immediately recognizable as a copy. Therefore, I think there's little chance it could ever be passed off as an original. Plus I don't believe that Verbal would ever intend to - he's obviously commissioned it for his personal enjoyment.
That doesn't mean however that I think artist's should be encouraged to produce reproductions. While it's probably more effort than it's worth to produce a perfect reproduction of one of the more intricate Mics (though I'm sure a professional forger could), other works such as most of Banksy's stencils are easy to fake. Look at the debate that's currently raging about the authenticity of the Bombhugger canvas on ebay.
I know that Banksy makes some of his own images available for people to print out for personal enjoyment. However, this is very different from a third party artist reproducing the works for profit.
I appreciate that people think they're just offering other members of the forum a valuable service. Though, IMO this practice shouldn't be encouraged.
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21st century love, by verbalkint on May 17, 2007 15:31:31 GMT 1, i agree with the bulk of what you said, but it was not my intention to offer this to anyone else, a few people contacted me and asked if they could get one and i said that they could, i was just well pleased with how it came out and wanted to show the people on here who's opinions i respect.
that being said i respect your opinion too and i do agree that with the nature of banksys work, it would not be at all difficult to forge one of his pieces really well, but with micallef it would be alot more difficult.
thanks for your comments
i agree with the bulk of what you said, but it was not my intention to offer this to anyone else, a few people contacted me and asked if they could get one and i said that they could, i was just well pleased with how it came out and wanted to show the people on here who's opinions i respect.
that being said i respect your opinion too and i do agree that with the nature of banksys work, it would not be at all difficult to forge one of his pieces really well, but with micallef it would be alot more difficult.
thanks for your comments
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21st century love, by Strange Al on May 17, 2007 16:14:05 GMT 1, Verbal - like I said, I'm certain your intentions are 100% honourable and I'm glad you get to enjoy the piece. I hope my post didn't make it sound like you were acting as some sort of agent for your artist friend. 
However, I do think it was worthwhile expressing my concerns and giving people some food for thought. I just do not think this practice should be encouraged.
Verbal - like I said, I'm certain your intentions are 100% honourable and I'm glad you get to enjoy the piece. I hope my post didn't make it sound like you were acting as some sort of agent for your artist friend. However, I do think it was worthwhile expressing my concerns and giving people some food for thought. I just do not think this practice should be encouraged. |
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21st century love, by Curley on May 17, 2007 16:43:13 GMT 1, i believe the practice of making reproductions is as old as art itself.. so long as its not being passed of as anything but a reproduction i have no issue with it.
;D
i believe the practice of making reproductions is as old as art itself.. so long as its not being passed of as anything but a reproduction i have no issue with it.
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21st century love, by manchestermike on May 17, 2007 16:46:16 GMT 1, i believe the practice of making reproductions is as old as art itself.. so long as its not being passed of as anything but a reproduction i have no issue with it. ;D
Exactly
Clearly state it's a repro should equal no problems
i believe the practice of making reproductions is as old as art itself.. so long as its not being passed of as anything but a reproduction i have no issue with it. ;D Exactly Clearly state it's a repro should equal no problems |
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21st century love, by dave313perry on May 17, 2007 16:50:09 GMT 1, DITTO i started a thread on here stating that i was considering creating some near exact replicas as i work at a print house but had the thread pulled within 30secs! i was simply going to offer a few to fans who couldnt afford the real thing and would emboss them with a tribute stamp, i believe the art is in the screen printing as well as the image of course and aslong as you dont claim its the real deal and do your best to make sure nobody could pass it off as such then no problems!!! but im definatly doing myself 1 or 2! i dont have 10k for a bcode!!!
DITTO i started a thread on here stating that i was considering creating some near exact replicas as i work at a print house but had the thread pulled within 30secs! i was simply going to offer a few to fans who couldnt afford the real thing and would emboss them with a tribute stamp, i believe the art is in the screen printing as well as the image of course and aslong as you dont claim its the real deal and do your best to make sure nobody could pass it off as such then no problems!!! but im definatly doing myself 1 or 2! i dont have 10k for a bcode!!!
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21st century love, by Strange Al on May 17, 2007 16:51:23 GMT 1, i believe the practice of making reproductions is as old as art itself.. so long as its not being passed of as anything but a reproduction i have no issue with it. ;D Exactly Clearly state it's a repro should equal no problems
That would certainly go a long way to resolving the issue of fakes in the market. Though, I have issues with somebody exploiting an artist's work for commercial advantage without the permission of that artist. Call me an old fashioned supporter of the notion of copyright.
i believe the practice of making reproductions is as old as art itself.. so long as its not being passed of as anything but a reproduction i have no issue with it. ;D Exactly Clearly state it's a repro should equal no problems That would certainly go a long way to resolving the issue of fakes in the market. Though, I have issues with somebody exploiting an artist's work for commercial advantage without the permission of that artist. Call me an old fashioned supporter of the notion of copyright. |
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21st century love, by Strange Al on May 17, 2007 16:53:27 GMT 1, DITTO i started a thread on here stating that i was considering creating some near exact replicas as i work at a print house but had the thread pulled within 30secs! i was simply going to offer a few to fans who couldnt afford the real thing and would emboss them with a tribute stamp, i believe the art is in the screen printing as well as the image of course and aslong as you dont claim its the real deal and do your best to make sure nobody could pass it off as such then no problems!!! but im definatly doing myself 1 or 2! i dont have 10k for a bcode!!!
Dave - if that's your plan, why not approach Banksy through POW and/or Laz and ask him for permission? 
DITTO i started a thread on here stating that i was considering creating some near exact replicas as i work at a print house but had the thread pulled within 30secs! i was simply going to offer a few to fans who couldnt afford the real thing and would emboss them with a tribute stamp, i believe the art is in the screen printing as well as the image of course and aslong as you dont claim its the real deal and do your best to make sure nobody could pass it off as such then no problems!!! but im definatly doing myself 1 or 2! i dont have 10k for a bcode!!! Dave - if that's your plan, why not approach Banksy through POW and/or Laz and ask him for permission? |
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21st century love, by dave313perry on May 17, 2007 16:56:00 GMT 1, yeah i definatly see your point and on a moral level agree, i just feel much reproduction is unavoidable with a piece in such demand, you can only take someones word that they are recreating them for personal satisfaction and to offer a few people the same option rather than infringing on the art/banksy/print market
yeah i definatly see your point and on a moral level agree, i just feel much reproduction is unavoidable with a piece in such demand, you can only take someones word that they are recreating them for personal satisfaction and to offer a few people the same option rather than infringing on the art/banksy/print market |
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21st century love, by dave313perry on May 17, 2007 16:56:51 GMT 1, i think they would try scare me off incase i took the piss and infringed on there market / understandable but highly unlikely
i think they would try scare me off incase i took the piss and infringed on there market / understandable but highly unlikely
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21st century love, by Curley on May 17, 2007 16:57:15 GMT 1, Exactly Clearly state it's a repro should equal no problems That would certainly go a long way to resolving the issue of fakes in the market. Though, I have issues with somebody exploiting an artist's work for commercial advantage without the permission of that artist. Call me an old fashioned supporter of the notion of copyright.
i completely agree with copyright protection but i just wanted to point out that Repros are nothing new to the artworld.
i think repro's should be treated the same a band doing a cover version of a track where by the original composer receives a royalty. Problem is how to police it.
Exactly Clearly state it's a repro should equal no problems That would certainly go a long way to resolving the issue of fakes in the market. Though, I have issues with somebody exploiting an artist's work for commercial advantage without the permission of that artist. Call me an old fashioned supporter of the notion of copyright. i completely agree with copyright protection but i just wanted to point out that Repros are nothing new to the artworld. i think repro's should be treated the same a band doing a cover version of a track where by the original composer receives a royalty. Problem is how to police it. |
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21st century love, by dave313perry on May 17, 2007 17:00:12 GMT 1, yeah, im a fan so would insist on a tribute embossed stamp, i woudnt want to jepodise my own investments either! but mr china man would not be so bothered, think this may be a growing feature of concern though as the world is awakened!!!
yeah, im a fan so would insist on a tribute embossed stamp, i woudnt want to jepodise my own investments either! but mr china man would not be so bothered, think this may be a growing feature of concern though as the world is awakened!!! |
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21st century love, by Strange Al on May 17, 2007 22:00:06 GMT 1, Curley - I would even go as far as saying that people have been making reproductions ever since people have been creating art. That doesn't make it right. Copyright laws are there to set out in which circumstances it's ok to copy and in which it isn't.
I really don't think there's much point entering into a detailed debate on (c). Though, I would say irrespective of whether you make a cover version of a song or a straight reproduction of an artwork - you're going to need the (c) owner's permission.
Quite possibly Banksy, Mic and the others don't give a f**k if a few people knock out some repros for their mates and make a few quid in the process. Though, I think if someone starts knocking out multiple copies of other people's works and making money from them, the original artists should be approached and given the opportunity to object.
Curley - I would even go as far as saying that people have been making reproductions ever since people have been creating art. That doesn't make it right. Copyright laws are there to set out in which circumstances it's ok to copy and in which it isn't.
I really don't think there's much point entering into a detailed debate on (c). Though, I would say irrespective of whether you make a cover version of a song or a straight reproduction of an artwork - you're going to need the (c) owner's permission.
Quite possibly Banksy, Mic and the others don't give a f**k if a few people knock out some repros for their mates and make a few quid in the process. Though, I think if someone starts knocking out multiple copies of other people's works and making money from them, the original artists should be approached and given the opportunity to object.
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21st century love, by Curley on May 17, 2007 22:42:33 GMT 1, Curley - I would even go as far as saying that people have been making reproductions ever since people have been creating art. That doesn't make it right. Copyright laws are there to set out in which circumstances it's ok to copy and in which it isn't. I really don't think there's much point entering into a detailed debate on (c). Though, I would say irrespective of whether you make a cover version of a song or a straight reproduction of an artwork - you're going to need the (c) owner's permission. Quite possibly Banksy, Mic and the others don't give a f**k if a few people knock out some repros for their mates and make a few quid in the process. Though, I think if someone starts knocking out multiple copies of other people's works and making money from them, the original artists should be approached and given the opportunity to object.
Completely agree it should be with the artists permission however in the case of music if a band covers another bands song im fairly certain permission is not required in order to make and sell a recording. The copyright is in the lyrics not the recording itself
All the song writing royalties however do go to to writer of the original music and are collected by the artists music publisher, they will also be credited on the label along with the publishers credit.
dont get me wrong im not in favour mass marketing of these repros at ยฃ400 i would rather buy an original print ;D
Curley - I would even go as far as saying that people have been making reproductions ever since people have been creating art. That doesn't make it right. Copyright laws are there to set out in which circumstances it's ok to copy and in which it isn't. I really don't think there's much point entering into a detailed debate on (c). Though, I would say irrespective of whether you make a cover version of a song or a straight reproduction of an artwork - you're going to need the (c) owner's permission. Quite possibly Banksy, Mic and the others don't give a f**k if a few people knock out some repros for their mates and make a few quid in the process. Though, I think if someone starts knocking out multiple copies of other people's works and making money from them, the original artists should be approached and given the opportunity to object. Completely agree it should be with the artists permission however in the case of music if a band covers another bands song im fairly certain permission is not required in order to make and sell a recording. The copyright is in the lyrics not the recording itself All the song writing royalties however do go to to writer of the original music and are collected by the artists music publisher, they will also be credited on the label along with the publishers credit. dont get me wrong im not in favour mass marketing of these repros at ยฃ400 i would rather buy an original print ;D |
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