[ptron]

There is an applause, starting bid £449 with 14hrs to go and no bids.

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There is also a flags at £0.01 with 2 days left. 220081580010

It's funny but I'll bet all the would be bidders are waiting for "around February 20th"

I say it's funny because we can't all be winners on the 20th, but by our actions or more like lack of actions, I'd say we all believe we are.

[tomhills1]

no lull, i sold my applause for £615 on saturday and had two offers @£585. things just not as mad as they were say a month ago. i agree there does seem to be a slowdown, in the volume of sales there is too. they could'nt have kept rising the way that they were either, it will be interesting to see how these items finish.
i bought a framed grin reaper for £2250 a month ago and since then i've seen them go for between £2350 - £2800, so i think you could safely say prices have levelled out. for now.

[Run Pig Run]

prices are lower but there is fuck all to buy. I think people who hoovered up loads of prints last year expecting the price to rocket are shitting themselves and don't know what the fuck to do.

[monkeypuzzle]

bombhugger said:

prices are lower but there is f**k all to buy. I think people who hoovered up loads of prints last year expecting the price to rocket are s**tting themselves and don't know what the f**k to do.

Hopefully they will stop being greedy tw@ts and settle to sell them for 6 times what they spent rather than 10 times what they spent.... It would be nice, but doubt it will happen....

[Run Pig Run]

yeah, I bet the sales of A1 folders are through the roof.

[BK83]

Agree that prices are levelling a bit, but was surprised to see a copy of Swindle 8 go for US$66 the other day!

[RBK]

bombhugger said:

yeah, I bet the sales of A1 folders are through the roof.

HAHA - so true!

[noodle]

tomhills1 said:

no lull, i sold my applause for £615 on saturday and had two offers @£585. things just not as mad as they were say a month ago. i agree there does seem to be a slowdown, in the volume of sales there is too. they could'nt have kept rising the way that they were either, it will be interesting to see how these items finish.
i bought a framed grin reaper for £2250 a month ago and since then i've seen them go for between £2350 - £2800, so i think you could safely say prices have levelled out. for now.

Both Applause's went for £555 and £551 on eBay tonight.

Applause lull due to that bit more expensive to get framed, or lets free up some money for the 20th?
Well done on getting £615.

Grin Reaper different class (not just in monetary value).

[tomhills1]

noodle2003 said:

tomhills1 said:

no lull, i sold my applause for £615 on saturday and had two offers @£585. things just not as mad as they were say a month ago. i agree there does seem to be a slowdown, in the volume of sales there is too. they could'nt have kept rising the way that they were either, it will be interesting to see how these items finish.
i bought a framed grin reaper for £2250 a month ago and since then i've seen them go for between £2350 - £2800, so i think you could safely say prices have levelled out. for now.

Both Applause's went for £555 and £551 on eBay tonight.

Applause lull due to that bit more expensive to get framed, or lets free up some money for the 20th?
Well done on getting £615.

Grin Reaper different class (not just in monetary value).

cheers, i thought £615 was a wicked price, funnily enough i only got rid due to lack of space.
yeah the reaper is collossul, i paid a lot for it but it ain't about the money. can't stop looking at it, still.

[atomcore]

I think most people don't recover from xmas until march, financially that is.

Or never!

[absyrd]

If you are wanting to make money off of anything, the real money is made over longer periods of time.

Look at it like this... you have a chance to lose a few thousand dollars (you can't go below 0) or a chance to make a ton (sky is the limit).

If you are stressed, just stop where you are now and watch. I know that isn't easy to do if you have an addictive personality like myself (smokes 2 cigarettes while typing this).

Now that these artists have really just broken pretty well into the media, one more big "stunt" or whatever could open up the flood gates. That or someone dying... that usually helps, too.

[wezzley]

The more common recent prints are perhaps levelling out a bit.....but for the more deirable ones no sign of a slowdown - napalm on ebay today - 4.3k....! think thats a record for that print

[RBK]

I think Banksy should fake his own death - since we don't know who he is anyways. It would be the perfect stunt.

[runyaga]

This isnt an original thought but I'm new to the fourms... How about..

Banksy re-issuing all his prints through POW, "limited" and "signed". This way the market on his prints would collapse. Gallery's would be *pissed*. People who are looking to make a ton of money would lose that option; there would be a flood of legitimate prints on the market.

Would be a great f@#k you to the market. Who would benefit? Only his fans by getting a second chance to original prints.

I cant remember where I read this (Serpentine/Murderme book?) but Damien Hirst said "I would love for everyone to have a Hirst". I call bullshit. If everyone had a Hirst there would be no market and prices would (possibly) deflate. And I doubt he has the balls to attempt a re-issuing of his prints. No one wants to bite the hand that feeds it (including Banksy? ;-).

Back to dreaming of having a authentic Happy Chopper on my wall.

[slowmo]

Stop and think. Banksy is enabling people of low income to get a large slice of cash from those who have.

We cant look at this as such a black and white issue of carpet bagger vs true collector. If you re-issue, yeah lots more people get a print. But I like the romantic (and it is romantic) idea that just such a rat of society that Banksy portrays should be able to pay his rent or buy a car to get his family around in because he was lucky enough to log on to POW at the right time.

Robs from the rich, gives to the poor (indirectly), Banksy Hood, Banksy hood, banksy hood.

Note: I openly accept that the 95% of all sell on banksy profits go straight to people who have enough cash to not get a couple of months break from the breadline. I just hope my romantic view happens sometimes.

[policeaware]

Banksy has an agent who has a gallery & who is also part of POW, I don't think he'd think it made good business sense & nor would those people who have gone without holidays to buy their dream Banksy print.

runyaga said:

This isnt an original thought but I'm new to the fourms... How about..

Banksy re-issuing all his prints through POW, "limited" and "signed". This way the market on his prints would collapse. Gallery's would be *pissed*. People who are looking to make a ton of money would lose that option; there would be a flood of legitimate prints on the market.

Would be a great f@#k you to the market. Who would benefit? Only his fans by getting a second chance to original prints.

I cant remember where I read this (Serpentine/Murderme book?) but Damien Hirst said "I would love for everyone to have a Hirst". I call bulls**t. If everyone had a Hirst there would be no market and prices would (possibly) deflate. And I doubt he has the balls to attempt a re-issuing of his prints. No one wants to bite the hand that feeds it (including Banksy? ;-).

Back to dreaming of having a authentic Happy Chopper on my wall.

[ptron]

I like that sentiment slowmo.

Except I have trouble believing anyone with a high speed internet connection is really poor.

Still I like the positive spin.

[ogrgel]

www.woostercollective.com

I think the latest article is quite relevant in this case

[slowmo]

ptron said:

I like that sentiment slowmo.

Except I have trouble believing anyone with a high speed internet connection is really poor.

Still I like the positive spin.

Yeah that tickles me ;D, but look on any council estate (if you're UK, not sure you are), they all have sky dishes so can get decent speed internet free.

[BME]

I think that POW does a wonderful job. Their prints are cheap. I know its hard to get banksys now but for years they were just sitting there...waiting. And today there are eine, faile and so on, its all brilliant stuff. I mean right now you can buy an unsigned faile for £25!!

[tomhills1]

slowmo said:

ptron said:

look on any council estate (if you're UK, not sure you are), they all have sky dishes so can get decent speed internet free.

very true slowmo, the last few months i've been doing re-roofs on a council estate and 90% without exception have sky. i work six days a week most weeks and my wife is a teacher and we can't afford sky.
i grew up on a council estate and i'm guessing these people use a moody viewing card to receive sky so wouldn't be entitled to free broadband. plus you only need a phone line to get sky installed, most can't afford to keep it after that.

[wezzley]

runyaga said:

This isnt an original thought but I'm new to the fourms... How about..

Banksy re-issuing all his prints through POW, "limited" and "signed". This way the market on his prints would collapse. Gallery's would be *pissed*. People who are looking to make a ton of money would lose that option; there would be a flood of legitimate prints on the market.

Would be a great f@#k you to the market. Who would benefit? Only his fans by getting a second chance to original prints.

I cant remember where I read this (Serpentine/Murderme book?) but Damien Hirst said "I would love for everyone to have a Hirst". I call bulls**t. If everyone had a Hirst there would be no market and prices would (possibly) deflate. And I doubt he has the balls to attempt a re-issuing of his prints. No one wants to bite the hand that feeds it (including Banksy? ;-).

Back to dreaming of having a authentic Happy Chopper on my wall.

Runyaga - hear what your saying but its NEVER gonna happen, I had a long chat with LAZ a year ago about this very possibility, I wanted to be sure Banksy wouldnt do a stunt of dropping a thousand gwb's out of an aeroplane or whatever as a fingers up gesture - he asured me in strong terms that he know the man better than anyone and that it would never happen.....hope he wasnt just saying that...

[BK83]

ogrgel said:

www.woostercollective.com

I think the latest article is quite relevant in this case

in the words of David Brent ... "Fits Perfectly" ....

[runyaga]

Runyaga - hear what your saying but its NEVER gonna happen, I had a long chat with LAZ a year ago about this very possibility, I wanted to be sure Banksy wouldnt do a stunt of dropping a thousand gwb's out of an aeroplane or whatever as a fingers up gesture - he asured me in strong terms that he know the man better than anyone and that it would never happen.....hope he wasnt just saying that...

I would imagine LAZ and other gallery owners would freak. I still think its a great idea from a historical point of view. Art History would be talking about Banksy for years to come; how an artist destroyed his own market. What would be even better if the market could endure such a shock and prices continued to rise. Would be hilarious.

Back to work and thinking about Happy Choppers...

~runyaga

[pastiepie]

Even if they re-released his older work people would still pay top-dollar for the original edition. There's always going to be people that want the best most exclusive item. It would just enable people like me without a spare few thousand pounds to buy prints I like without taking away from the primary market. I think it's a genius idea.

[slowmo]

If you only want the prints for the image, you can easily get hold of a replica edition of Banksy prints or make your own.

[corblimeylimey]

slowmo said:

If you only want the prints for the image, you can easily get hold of a replica edition of Banksy prints or make your own.

This is an interesting point, I have a graphic reproduction business and could do high quality scans of the original prints and using a litho printer could easily reproduce thousands of replica litho prints and sell them for £5-£10 each and make a fortune.

BUT surely it would all run into big trouble, the main issue would be copyright, my arse would be sued. But what if Banksy/Laz decided it was a good idea, it wouldn't lower the prices of the limited edition art screen prints and lots of people out there would be quite happy with a Banksy poster blutacked to their wall, it would be a completely different mass market. My bet is a giant like athena has probably approached this already and got knocked back.

It wouldn't bother me if this happened, it could even give more exposure and interest in his work therefore making the original screen prints more valuable.

What are your opinions on this?

[johnas]

completely agree... just look at all the kandinsky's and dali posters that adorn walls all over the world... it hasn't harmed the 'originals' market. if anything, it's brought the artists to an even wider audience as the images become instantly recognisable

surely with the ever increasing popularity of banksy, it won't be long before posters of the popular images will be available as a cost effective solution to owning a banksy original or print

[absyrd]

I think it is just way too soon, Corblimey.

His "message" might get lost right now.

Instead, if they were to mass produce prints 10 years down the road when we are HOPEFULLY looking back at this time in the world and trying to figure out how not to do some of these things again (yes, us Americans), it might be more well-received.

[manchestermike]

Soupcan poster anyone?