[Poster Bob]

I have seen a number of PPs pop up lately which makes me highly suspicious but I won't accuse anyone of anything. The ones I've seen recently are Golf Sale, Flying Copper, Turf War, Barcode and Pulp Fiction. In my opinion there are too many of them about at the moment.

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Oct 10, 2014 14:44:37 GMT 1 Poster Bob said:

I have seen a number of PPs pop up lately which makes me highly suspicious but I won't accuse anyone of anything. The ones I've seen recently are Golf Sale, Flying Copper, Turf War, Barcode and Pulp Fiction. In my opinion there are too many of them about at the moment.

I've purchased things from mikehaspey and have always been really happy with what I purchased.  Hopefully he'll post here and let us know the story

[Ruggs]

Oct 10, 2014 14:25:29 GMT 1 DrWhite said:

That AP is really special. !

Got to be one of the finest 'unique' Banksy A/P's out there. Wouldn't have looked out of place in Laz's recent Sotheby's exhibition.

[Poster Bob]

Oct 10, 2014 14:47:48 GMT 1 @federationofideas said:

Oct 10, 2014 14:44:37 GMT 1 Poster Bob said:

I have seen a number of PPs pop up lately which makes me highly suspicious but I won't accuse anyone of anything. The ones I've seen recently are Golf Sale, Flying Copper, Turf War, Barcode and Pulp Fiction. In my opinion there are too many of them about at the moment.

I think those were all from the same seller?  BirthdayParty or something similar?  I almost bid on one then realized they had sold multiples of each. red flag

I've purchased things from mikehaspey and have always been really happy with what I purchased.  Hopefully he'll post here and let us know the story

I have seen some for sale on legit art websites. By legit I mean so trustworthy in my opinion that I have purchased several unsigned Banksy prints from them without COAs and all were authentic. What I'm pointing out is that there are too many PPs out at the moment. PPs are far rarer than even the signed prints, so to see a couple of the same print about at the same time is a glaring red flag that something fishy is going on. I suspect that someone went and printed some fakes and sold them to unsuspecting individuals but again, in no way am I trying to accuse anyone. 

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Oct 10, 2014 14:53:21 GMT 1 Poster Bob said:

Oct 10, 2014 14:47:48 GMT 1 @federationofideas said:

I think those were all from the same seller?  BirthdayParty or something similar?  I almost bid on one then realized they had sold multiples of each. red flag

I've purchased things from mikehaspey and have always been really happy with what I purchased.  Hopefully he'll post here and let us know the story

I have seen some for sale on legit art websites. By legit I mean so trustworthy in my opinion that I have purchased several unsigned Banksy prints from them without COAs and all were authentic. What I'm pointing out is that there are too many PPs out at the moment. PPs are far rarer than even the signed prints, so to see a couple of the same print about at the same time is a glaring red flag that something fishy is going on. I suspect that someone went and printed some fakes and sold them to unsuspecting individuals but again, in no way am I trying to accuse anyone. 

agreed - I would only purchase from a very trustworthy source

[Zippy]

Strange they have contacted you to remove their name (therefore reading this thread) but have not posted details about the print?

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Oct 10, 2014 15:15:30 GMT 1 Zippy said:

Strange they have contacted you to remove their name (therefore reading this thread) but have not posted details about the print?

Seems reaaaalllyyy shady

[alittle]

BirthdayParty? You've already been quoted. The toothpaste is out of the tube and you can't put it back in.

[craigf]

Oct 10, 2014 14:47:54 GMT 1 Ruggs said:

Oct 10, 2014 14:25:29 GMT 1 DrWhite said:

That AP is really special. !

Got to be one of the finest 'unique' Banksy A/P's out there. Wouldn't have looked out of place in Laz's recent Sotheby's exhibition.

Yep still got it and I guess I could have loaned it to Laz's show as I had two other pieces in there

[mikehaspey]

First post on here in a long time, only popped in for minutes at a time over the last couple of months!
But yeah, good timing, this is indeed my print up for sale.
Fed, it did indeed come from the same source as yours, I'm not going to go into where it came from on here but it's certainly a trusted source.
No idea about the paper type or the reason it's centered rather than offset to the left, I'm guessing it's a test print or similar.
I'm going to be moving on a few things so I thought ebay was the best place for this with a low start and just see where it goes.
To anyone thinking I made it myself or anything like that, I struggle to print off a sheet from a computer so certainly not the case

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Oct 10, 2014 16:00:40 GMT 1 mikehaspey said:

First post on here in a long time, only popped in for minutes at a time over the last couple of months!
But yeah, good timing, this is indeed my print up for sale.
Fed, it did indeed come from the same source as yours, I'm not going to go into where it came from on here but it's certainly a trusted source.
No idea about the paper type or the reason it's centered rather than offset to the left, I'm guessing it's a test print or similar.
I'm going to be moving on a few things so I thought ebay was the best place for this with a low start and just see where it goes.
To anyone thinking I made it myself or anything like that, I struggle to print off a sheet from a computer so certainly not the case

Good to hear from you.  You're sorely missed!

Live I've said, I've purchased multiple pieces from Mike and have nothing but good things to say

[mikehaspey]

Hopefully will be around a bit more now, had a few things going on and having a bit of a change around.... So will be parting with some stuff.
Lots of messages to catch up on which I'll get round to tonight

[telecine]

Not wanting to piss in anyones pool, but to my eye there is less spray detail / speckles in that listed ebay 'proof' than the released print (I own one) or the beautiful small proof version (I don't own one)...

Also the Arches 88 paper is inconsistant with prints of that vintage .

I have (and love) a LOT of backdoor prints as well as the real PC certed deals, so I'm not one of those clueless FAKE FAKE FAKE bores on here...protecting their investments ;-).

Maybe like the early proof VLHs, extra spray was added later on the final release, but I'm not so sure about this one.... Just feels a bit odd.


telecine x

[mouser]

To play the devils advocate here, the spray levels do look very similar to Craigs one though ( compared the pics from Mike's ebay ad to the pics of craigs on this thread, nothing more scientific than that).

I have bought a couple pieces from Mike in the past also, always been good to deal with,he has a nice collection of oddities ( stickers posters etc) and know he has been hunting backdoors for a while.

As for the BC, i couldnt say one way or another, and as ever, it is what it is and only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. An argument we have all heard and had a hundred times before. Then again, it looks like its sold as the ebay ad is done, so most likely wasting my breath

Good to see you back Mike, The grannies say hello

Now, if anyone wants to sell a backdoor gold LIITA, give me a shout!

[sommguy]

if the subject is centered and does not cross the edge of the colored back ground. it is most likely a fake. the toxic mary crosses the border, in to the margins. and the fake does not. like the west county prints guy... if its signed and marked AP, thats a different story. and should be able to be verified pretty quickly.

[mikehaspey]

It sold off ebay, I can assure any doubters that it wasn't a fake, the source of the print was bombproof.
As I mentioned earlier it's likely that it was a test piece, the spray is very similar to the released version but closer to the AP.
Also the different paper type of course.
I've had many backdoor prints and wouldn't buy from anywhere other than my trusted sources and certainly wouldn't sell on here or ebay if there was any doubt.
As Mouser said, it's what it is and it's worth what someone is willing to pay

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Oct 11, 2014 9:10:25 GMT 1 mikehaspey said:

It sold off ebay, I can assure any doubters that it wasn't a fake, the source of the print was bombproof.
As I mentioned earlier it's likely that it was a test piece, the spray is very similar to the released version but closer to the AP.
Also the different paper type of course.
I've had many backdoor prints and wouldn't buy from anywhere other than my trusted sources and certainly wouldn't sell on here or ebay if there was any doubt.
As Mouser said, it's what it is and it's worth what someone is willing to pay

No disrespect, but you have to say that don't you, as do the people that have bought from you previously. The fact is, on this board between 2006 and 2013, the source would have been rightly regarded as either a thief or a liar. As for "it's what it is and it's worth what someone is willing to pay", yes, it's either a fake that was screened recently, or stolen property. Either way, a worthless piece of Banksy tat. IMO
Funny how nothing appears for 10 years, value and scarcity rise exponentially and suddenly we're awash with PP's and rare test prints. Don't be fooled people.

[Warm Gun]

Oct 11, 2014 10:53:11 GMT 1 @martedanielsen said:

Oct 11, 2014 9:10:25 GMT 1 mikehaspey said:

It sold off ebay, I can assure any doubters that it wasn't a fake, the source of the print was bombproof.
As I mentioned earlier it's likely that it was a test piece, the spray is very similar to the released version but closer to the AP.
Also the different paper type of course.
I've had many backdoor prints and wouldn't buy from anywhere other than my trusted sources and certainly wouldn't sell on here or ebay if there was any doubt.
As Mouser said, it's what it is and it's worth what someone is willing to pay

No disrespect, but you have to say that don't you, as do the people that have bought from you. The fact is, on this board between 2006 and 2013, the source would have been rightly regarded as either a thief or a liar. As for "it's what it is and it's worth what someone is willing to pay", yes, it's either a fake that was screened recently, or stolen property. Either way, a worthless piece of Banksy tat. IMO
Funny how nothing appears for 10 years, value and scarcity rise exponentially and suddenly we're awash with PP's and rare test prints. Don't be fooled people.

My thoughts exactly, these prints were always shunned for the junk that there were until very recently. The goal posts of what's acceptable in the Banksy art world have shifted as collectors become more desperate to own a piece of brand Banksy. Personally I would never spend any of  my hard earned cash on an unofficial print that will never be recognised by PC. It's utter madness, best of luck to anyone who disagrees with that stance.

[melize]

Oct 11, 2014 11:01:53 GMT 1 Warm Gun said:

Oct 11, 2014 10:53:11 GMT 1 @martedanielsen said:

No disrespect, but you have to say that don't you, as do the people that have bought from you. The fact is, on this board between 2006 and 2013, the source would have been rightly regarded as either a thief or a liar. As for "it's what it is and it's worth what someone is willing to pay", yes, it's either a fake that was screened recently, or stolen property. Either way, a worthless piece of Banksy tat. IMO
Funny how nothing appears for 10 years, value and scarcity rise exponentially and suddenly we're awash with PP's and rare test prints. Don't be fooled people.

My thoughts exactly, these prints were always shunned for the junk that there were until very recently. The goal posts of what's acceptable in the Banksy art world have shifted as collectors become more desperate to own a piece of brand Banksy. Personally I would never spend any of  my hard earned cash on an unofficial print that will never be recognised by PC. It's utter madness, best of luck to anyone who disagrees with that stance.

As a new collector - what to believe - what not to believe? Clearly there are APs and PPs out there. If only the truth were more forthcoming and not hidden in layers and cloaked by agenda. The notion that one could unwittingly be buying stolen property is rather worrying and one that I had not thought of. This thread has proved very eye-opening in terms of what has been said but more importantly what has so evidently not been said.

[Sweetcorn]

Oct 11, 2014 12:34:47 GMT 1 melize said:

Oct 11, 2014 11:01:53 GMT 1 Warm Gun said:

My thoughts exactly, these prints were always shunned for the junk that there were until very recently. The goal posts of what's acceptable in the Banksy art world have shifted as collectors become more desperate to own a piece of brand Banksy. Personally I would never spend any of  my hard earned cash on an unofficial print that will never be recognised by PC. It's utter madness, best of luck to anyone who disagrees with that stance.

As a new collector - what to believe - what not to believe? Clearly there are APs and PPs out there. If only the truth were more forthcoming and not hidden in layers and cloaked by agenda. The notion that one could unwittingly be buying stolen property is rather worrying and one that I had not thought of. This thread has proved very eye-opening in terms of what has been said but more importantly what has so evidently not been said.

Anything without a pest control cert = Bad
Everything with a pest control cert = Good

[Bill Hicks]

I was hoping, there is still hope out there or am I just being totally naive? that somebody may have the knowledge to discuss why the artist used different paper etc,etc.........
Some of this thread seems to have gone off down that old road which is a shame impo!
I am not knocking anybodies opinion!
But thanks for the input & the A/P is very nice indeed.

[Dice]

The problem is the 'trusted source' is getting further and further away. Mikehapsey bought from a legit source. I buy from mike knowing it's legit. If I want to sell however the buyer will have to take me at my word that it came from a true source. Then if they want to sell one day it's even less trustworthy.

PC is the only way unless you're only spending a hundred quid or whatever on it and just want something by banksy that may be real on the wall.

Craigf I ummed and aahed over that same barcode AP from Laz a few years ago. Should have just gone for it! Very special piece

[telecine]

Oct 11, 2014 10:53:11 GMT 1 @martedanielsen said:

No disrespect, but you have to say that don't you, as do the people that have bought from you previously. The fact is, on this board between 2006 and 2013, the source would have been rightly regarded as either a thief or a liar. As for "it's what it is and it's worth what someone is willing to pay", yes, it's either a fake that was screened recently, or stolen property. Either way, a worthless piece of Banksy tat. IMO
Funny how nothing appears for 10 years, value and scarcity rise exponentially and suddenly we're awash with PP's and rare test prints. Don't be fooled people.

Ah the FAKE FAKE FAKE people appear,



Many people have been quietly sitting on a lot of PPs for years and years. There have been huge rows on this forum (Backdoor Brummie....et al) in the past about this whole subject.

Fact is you can put the real prints side by side(I can with my collection) with a lot of the proofs that leaked over the years and they are IDENTICAL in every respect apart from the number/sig etc unlike the WCP trash... 

I too have a fair hunch where Mike sourced this print (and if it's who I think it is... they're very very trustworthy)... but I just flagged this particular one!!

The only bullshit is the price that these are fetching...They used to be very cheap.

Most of them are not FAKES in the true sense of the word... They are backdoor prints


telecine  x

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Oct 11, 2014 14:26:40 GMT 1 telecine said:

Oct 11, 2014 10:53:11 GMT 1 @martedanielsen said:

No disrespect, but you have to say that don't you, as do the people that have bought from you previously. The fact is, on this board between 2006 and 2013, the source would have been rightly regarded as either a thief or a liar. As for "it's what it is and it's worth what someone is willing to pay", yes, it's either a fake that was screened recently, or stolen property. Either way, a worthless piece of Banksy tat. IMO
Funny how nothing appears for 10 years, value and scarcity rise exponentially and suddenly we're awash with PP's and rare test prints. Don't be fooled people.

Ah the FAKE FAKE FAKE people appear,



Many people have been quietly sitting on a lot of PPs for years and years. There have been huge rows on this forum (Backdoor Brummie....et al) in the past about this whole subject.

Fact is you can put the real prints side by side(I can with my collection) with a lot of the proofs that leaked over the years and they are IDENTICAL in every respect apart from the number/sig etc unlike the WCP trash... 

I too have a fair hunch where Mike sourced this print (and if it's who I think it is... they're very very trustworthy)... but I just flagged this particular one!!

The only bulls**t is the price that these are fetching...They used to be very cheap.

Most of them are not FAKES in the true sense of the word... They are backdoor prints


telecine  x

Knock offs, fakes, someone keeping the screens.. call em what you will, but "Backdoor prints" isn't a terminology used anywhere but on here by the people who sell them. Sneaking in terms like PP's doesn't help. PP's are officially part of the edition and registered as such. Let's call em what they are hey. At best, stolen run offs that should have been scrapped and binned. Bits of Banksy tat left at the printers after a long night, stuff the printer and his assistant did alone messing about. Basically rubbish that needed binning. Maybe they wouldn't command the prices they do and it won't encourage other printers to keep what should rightly and legally be destroyed if they're called out. This little "art rascal" "backdoor" "cheeky chappy"  stuff needs to be called out when it happens, it's theft and deception established to defraud street and urban art fans. That way lies Leonard Street and James Golding et al.

"Most of them are not FAKES in the true sense of the word... They are ..................................... "

[craigf]

Oct 10, 2014 23:28:42 GMT 1 mouser said:

Now, if anyone wants to sell a backdoor gold LIITA, give me a shout!

Ha ha, I've been looking out for one of those for years.  Unlike some of the other versions of prints to the best of my knowledge this was a colour way that was completely down to the printers rather than one they were asked to do by B / POW

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Ever heard of girl with blue balloon?

[craigf]

Not seen or heard of a blue balloon GWB, I know there is a pink version though

[doctor]

Any chance you're also TheHasp79 on EBay?

[wolv212]

Does anyone's framed Barcode show any slight rippling (I didn't see any in anyone's posted pics)? I posted a more detailed msg in the Framing Advice & Art Care sub-forum, but here's mine. I feel kind of bummed.


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[DrWhite]

Jan 19, 2015 1:32:59 GMT 1 wolv212 said:

Does anyone's framed Barcode show any slight rippling (I didn't see any in anyone's posted pics)? I posted a more detailed msg in the Framing Advice & Art Care sub-forum, but here's mine. I feel kind of bummed.


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That's a nice piece of framing - not seen one rippled like that though, I'm sure it could be pressed ?