amsterdam9697
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by amsterdam9697 on Feb 13, 2009 6:59:00 GMT 1, when i opened the e-mail & seen the image i thought ok, there's more demand than supply so i can understand the logic when i seen the price, i quickly checked the edition size then actually laughed out loud the pair of you can't be serious? original or not, there's no way the work justifies ยฃ20k if your heart was in the right place you would have released an edition of say 100, a new single colourway e.g. grey/black/red @ ยฃ100 to meet the current demand & to stop people cashing in on the original releases it makes me sad the power of expresso beans-
Recap of the "Splash" editions:
Paper: 50 white, 20 blue & 20 red (1st Ed.) Paper Triptych: 50 (1st Ed.) Canvas: 10 white, 10 blue (S-I-C-K btw) & 10 red (1st Ed.) Wood: 10 white (1st Ed.) Wood Triptych: 4 (1st Ed.)
Total: 184 combined...
Seems reasonable enough to me
when i opened the e-mail & seen the image i thought ok, there's more demand than supply so i can understand the logic when i seen the price, i quickly checked the edition size then actually laughed out loud the pair of you can't be serious? original or not, there's no way the work justifies ยฃ20k if your heart was in the right place you would have released an edition of say 100, a new single colourway e.g. grey/black/red @ ยฃ100 to meet the current demand & to stop people cashing in on the original releases it makes me sad the power of expresso beans- Recap of the "Splash" editions: Paper: 50 white, 20 blue & 20 red (1st Ed.) Paper Triptych: 50 (1st Ed.) Canvas: 10 white, 10 blue (S-I-C-K btw) & 10 red (1st Ed.) Wood: 10 white (1st Ed.) Wood Triptych: 4 (1st Ed.) Total: 184 combined... Seems reasonable enough to me
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by cashman on Feb 13, 2009 7:23:19 GMT 1, No offence to anyone but if you search about you can pind some nice bits and pieces for ยฃ400 and most of them will be 1offs.... in a time where moneys hard I cant see this selling out too soon
No offence to anyone but if you search about you can pind some nice bits and pieces for ยฃ400 and most of them will be 1offs.... in a time where moneys hard I cant see this selling out too soon
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Pistol
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by Pistol on Feb 13, 2009 9:12:36 GMT 1, im willing to put a bet on under 3 being sold at ยฃ400....
I'll bet you ยฃ1500 that 3 sell!
im willing to put a bet on under 3 being sold at ยฃ400.... I'll bet you ยฃ1500 that 3 sell!
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G-Man
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by G-Man on Feb 13, 2009 9:17:58 GMT 1, LOL Fair play again to you Grafter
I started a thread that was titles Grafter Is A Top Bloke and it attracted lots of comments to agree
Now this thread is already 4 pages long!
We all love Grafter by the look of it!!!!
More hits and comments than many many other artists discussed on here says heaps to me?
LOL Fair play again to you Grafter
I started a thread that was titles Grafter Is A Top Bloke and it attracted lots of comments to agree
Now this thread is already 4 pages long!
We all love Grafter by the look of it!!!!
More hits and comments than many many other artists discussed on here says heaps to me?
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welshboy
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by welshboy on Feb 13, 2009 9:58:57 GMT 1, If you have nothing better to say why don`t you take your own advice a---holeDon't take this the wrong way, but please, and i do mean please, kill yourself. Seriously... very generous, that Grafter is Not the best post even in jest. People are entitled to an opinion.
If you have nothing better to say why don`t you take your own advice a---hole Don't take this the wrong way, but please, and i do mean please, kill yourself. Seriously... very generous, that Grafter is Not the best post even in jest. People are entitled to an opinion.
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 9:59:24 GMT 1, the power of expresso beans- Recap of the "Splash" editions: Paper: 50 white, 20 blue & 20 red (1st Ed.) Paper Triptych: 50 (1st Ed.) Canvas: 10 white, 10 blue (S-I-C-K btw) & 10 red (1st Ed.) Wood: 10 white (1st Ed.) Wood Triptych: 4 (1st Ed.) Total: 184 combined... Seems reasonable enough to me
what about the Splash's that were on sale at upfest for ยฃ30 for unsigned or ยฃ60 for signed. these were smaller, but there were quite a few them. how many of these smaller ones exist?. they werent numbered.
the power of expresso beans- Recap of the "Splash" editions: Paper: 50 white, 20 blue & 20 red (1st Ed.) Paper Triptych: 50 (1st Ed.) Canvas: 10 white, 10 blue (S-I-C-K btw) & 10 red (1st Ed.) Wood: 10 white (1st Ed.) Wood Triptych: 4 (1st Ed.) Total: 184 combined... Seems reasonable enough to me what about the Splash's that were on sale at upfest for ยฃ30 for unsigned or ยฃ60 for signed. these were smaller, but there were quite a few them. how many of these smaller ones exist?. they werent numbered.
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spencerlee
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by spencerlee on Feb 13, 2009 10:00:18 GMT 1, He really cannot win. I was never a fan of the image to be honest....so don't get all the massive demand, but if he refuses to print any more, many new fans are left without. Not the end of the world to be honest. Artists carry on and progress and make new and hopefully better work.
By making this new edition, he tries to address the demand without deviating from what people love. I don't see how people can be precious about diluting the values. The new one is different enough for completists to want to track down the early ones so I would guess that an extra 50 won't have much affect. Much more important is where he goes from here and what *new* work he comes up with.
He really cannot win. I was never a fan of the image to be honest....so don't get all the massive demand, but if he refuses to print any more, many new fans are left without. Not the end of the world to be honest. Artists carry on and progress and make new and hopefully better work.
By making this new edition, he tries to address the demand without deviating from what people love. I don't see how people can be precious about diluting the values. The new one is different enough for completists to want to track down the early ones so I would guess that an extra 50 won't have much affect. Much more important is where he goes from here and what *new* work he comes up with.
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welshboy
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by welshboy on Feb 13, 2009 10:05:09 GMT 1, Agree!!!Grafter is a great guy and I think he is truly doing it to make folks happy (he just paid alot of free shipping goodies to expressobeans folks out of generosity) but I am personally always against when an artist makes another edition to satisfy public demand. Everyone loves and wants the image, thats wonderful and the ideal objective. But it is also sold as a limited edition numbered item and producing new variations of the item takes away from the limited edition aspect (and the integrity of the image IMO). I also think it is priced too high and ultimately wont sell well. Im sorry but I respectfully dont agree with your decision here Mr. Grafter. Edit: I do own the first edition on paper but its not going anywhere so the value isnt a huge concern to me (believe it or dont believe it)).
Agree!!! Grafter is a great guy and I think he is truly doing it to make folks happy (he just paid alot of free shipping goodies to expressobeans folks out of generosity) but I am personally always against when an artist makes another edition to satisfy public demand. Everyone loves and wants the image, thats wonderful and the ideal objective. But it is also sold as a limited edition numbered item and producing new variations of the item takes away from the limited edition aspect (and the integrity of the image IMO). I also think it is priced too high and ultimately wont sell well. Im sorry but I respectfully dont agree with your decision here Mr. Grafter. Edit: I do own the first edition on paper but its not going anywhere so the value isnt a huge concern to me (believe it or dont believe it)).
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welshboy
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by welshboy on Feb 13, 2009 10:11:33 GMT 1, Pistol i will take that bet. I will buy 4 and then your whats known as F--Ked
Pistol i will take that bet. I will buy 4 and then your whats known as F--Ked
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by buffin on Feb 13, 2009 10:11:43 GMT 1, Recap of the "Splash" editions: Paper: 50 white, 20 blue & 20 red (1st Ed.) Paper Triptych: 50 (1st Ed.) Canvas: 10 white, 10 blue (S-I-C-K btw) & 10 red (1st Ed.) Wood: 10 white (1st Ed.) Wood Triptych: 4 (1st Ed.) Total: 184 combined... Seems reasonable enough to me what about the Splash's that were on sale at upfest for ยฃ30 for unsigned or ยฃ60 for signed. these were smaller, but there were quite a few them. how many of these smaller ones exist?. they werent numbered.
Only a few of the Splash images were available at Upfest and Grafter gave all the proceeds to the Upfest charity.
Recap of the "Splash" editions: Paper: 50 white, 20 blue & 20 red (1st Ed.) Paper Triptych: 50 (1st Ed.) Canvas: 10 white, 10 blue (S-I-C-K btw) & 10 red (1st Ed.) Wood: 10 white (1st Ed.) Wood Triptych: 4 (1st Ed.) Total: 184 combined... Seems reasonable enough to me what about the Splash's that were on sale at upfest for ยฃ30 for unsigned or ยฃ60 for signed. these were smaller, but there were quite a few them. how many of these smaller ones exist?. they werent numbered. Only a few of the Splash images were available at Upfest and Grafter gave all the proceeds to the Upfest charity.
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ashby
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by ashby on Feb 13, 2009 10:34:13 GMT 1, I love the fact that I own a 1st edition White Splash. This release does not devalue my piece ascetically or financially in my opinion.
I love the fact that I own a 1st edition White Splash. This release does not devalue my piece ascetically or financially in my opinion.
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mace
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by mace on Feb 13, 2009 10:47:56 GMT 1, I bought the original white version several months ago and I feel in no way bothered by this new release. I am proud to be one of those who discovered Grafter's potential at that time, when he desperately tried to sell those prints via this forum. He had a countdown and it took several weeks for those 90 prints (50 white, 20,blue, 20 red) to sell out.
I don't prefer this tryptich anyways. I think it's definately a stand alone image. Don't mind that the US espresso beans and clueless flippers go for that one now...
I bought the original white version several months ago and I feel in no way bothered by this new release. I am proud to be one of those who discovered Grafter's potential at that time, when he desperately tried to sell those prints via this forum. He had a countdown and it took several weeks for those 90 prints (50 white, 20,blue, 20 red) to sell out.
I don't prefer this tryptich anyways. I think it's definately a stand alone image. Don't mind that the US espresso beans and clueless flippers go for that one now...
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welshboy
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by welshboy on Feb 13, 2009 10:49:11 GMT 1, I agree ashby.I own all three, also Make a wish(charity print),forgotten more than most(Canvas),(Eskimo child canvas and print)Shoeshine on board,and will be getting some more.
I agree ashby.I own all three, also Make a wish(charity print),forgotten more than most(Canvas),(Eskimo child canvas and print)Shoeshine on board,and will be getting some more.
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Pistol
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by Pistol on Feb 13, 2009 11:00:49 GMT 1, Pistol i will take that bet. I will buy 4 and then your whats known as F--Ked
It was a joke lighten up! (with reference to less than 3 would be sold)!
Pistol i will take that bet. I will buy 4 and then your whats known as F--Ked It was a joke lighten up! (with reference to less than 3 would be sold)!
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by topper007 on Feb 13, 2009 11:47:57 GMT 1, If you remember the Adam Neate Triptych or the Hush Triptych, it's the same thing. Three images on 1 sheet of paper. I hope that no one seriously cuts them into three, that'd be awful and the provenance wouldn't support it. BTW, the price is actually ยฃ347...the additional ยฃ53 is VAT unfortunately. Andrew
Andrew - I do hope this release is a success but the comment on price here just doesn't stack up in real terms.
For most purchasers (unless they're also a VAT registered business and purchasing this print for their business) the price is ยฃ400 because you (like all VAT reg'd businesses) pass on the VAT cost to the consumer. For example, I can't walk into Tesco and tell them I'm paying less than their quoted prices because the "real" price is exclusive of VAT.
If you remember the Adam Neate Triptych or the Hush Triptych, it's the same thing. Three images on 1 sheet of paper. I hope that no one seriously cuts them into three, that'd be awful and the provenance wouldn't support it. BTW, the price is actually ยฃ347...the additional ยฃ53 is VAT unfortunately. Andrew Andrew - I do hope this release is a success but the comment on price here just doesn't stack up in real terms. For most purchasers (unless they're also a VAT registered business and purchasing this print for their business) the price is ยฃ400 because you (like all VAT reg'd businesses) pass on the VAT cost to the consumer. For example, I can't walk into Tesco and tell them I'm paying less than their quoted prices because the "real" price is exclusive of VAT.
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by remirough on Feb 13, 2009 11:58:35 GMT 1, I feel I need to get involved with all this as Grafter is a good mate of mine... In actual fact... Grafter has little or no say in any of all this... His images are all owned by a small group of Kazakhstani midgets and are made in Korea... They cottoned on to the fact that people kept asking where they could get Grafter Splashes from, so being the nice Kazakhstani midgets that they are, they complied and got a bunch of gnarly Koreans on the job... Grafter has been living in the Canary Islands for the past 11 years working as a Palm tree surgeon and knows nothing about any of this...
Most of the little money he does make, goes on paying a double to masquerade as him, around the East End.... (not a very convincing double I may add!)
Anyway, I thought you should all know... Now maybe you'll all leave him alone.
Lastly I'd just like to add... having seen lots of posts in times gone by, asking just whether there will be any more prints or originals etc... as the saying goes...
"You can't have your cake, and eat it too..."
NB... At least the Kazakhstanis and Gnarly Koreans have work and can feed their families.
I feel I need to get involved with all this as Grafter is a good mate of mine... In actual fact... Grafter has little or no say in any of all this... His images are all owned by a small group of Kazakhstani midgets and are made in Korea... They cottoned on to the fact that people kept asking where they could get Grafter Splashes from, so being the nice Kazakhstani midgets that they are, they complied and got a bunch of gnarly Koreans on the job... Grafter has been living in the Canary Islands for the past 11 years working as a Palm tree surgeon and knows nothing about any of this...
Most of the little money he does make, goes on paying a double to masquerade as him, around the East End.... (not a very convincing double I may add!)
Anyway, I thought you should all know... Now maybe you'll all leave him alone.
Lastly I'd just like to add... having seen lots of posts in times gone by, asking just whether there will be any more prints or originals etc... as the saying goes...
"You can't have your cake, and eat it too..."
NB... At least the Kazakhstanis and Gnarly Koreans have work and can feed their families.
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by wiz on Feb 13, 2009 12:01:15 GMT 1, I knew it!.
I knew it!.
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 12:16:31 GMT 1, don't give up the art ... just yet Remi
don't give up the art ... just yet Remi
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Grubster
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by Grubster on Feb 13, 2009 12:31:16 GMT 1, Those damn midgets! I knew I smelled something funny about those crazy little guys!
Thanks for the chuckle REMI! Peace my friend
Those damn midgets! I knew I smelled something funny about those crazy little guys!
Thanks for the chuckle REMI! Peace my friend
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by slowmo on Feb 13, 2009 12:59:11 GMT 1, If you remember the Adam Neate Triptych or the Hush Triptych, it's the same thing. Three images on 1 sheet of paper. I hope that no one seriously cuts them into three, that'd be awful and the provenance wouldn't support it. BTW, the price is actually ยฃ347...the additional ยฃ53 is VAT unfortunately. Andrew
Actually you're wrong there. The original work was a triptych, but the print of it is just a print OF a triptych. So only the original is a triptych. Grafters new one is not a triptych as the edition are all originals and not three separate panels of work. So it is in fact just another edition, singular piece of work.
So pristine was right to question the description as it is incorrect. VAT makes no difference to the end consumer just to urban angel's P&L, but seeing as you cited the reason on price as its inclusion you should actually be selling it for ยฃ399.05, however thats pretty pedantic on my part.
If you remember the Adam Neate Triptych or the Hush Triptych, it's the same thing. Three images on 1 sheet of paper. I hope that no one seriously cuts them into three, that'd be awful and the provenance wouldn't support it. BTW, the price is actually ยฃ347...the additional ยฃ53 is VAT unfortunately. Andrew Actually you're wrong there. The original work was a triptych, but the print of it is just a print OF a triptych. So only the original is a triptych. Grafters new one is not a triptych as the edition are all originals and not three separate panels of work. So it is in fact just another edition, singular piece of work. So pristine was right to question the description as it is incorrect. VAT makes no difference to the end consumer just to urban angel's P&L, but seeing as you cited the reason on price as its inclusion you should actually be selling it for ยฃ399.05, however thats pretty pedantic on my part.
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leighdrive
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by leighdrive on Feb 13, 2009 13:02:49 GMT 1, Up now, if anyone's interested.
Up now, if anyone's interested.
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Pistol
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by Pistol on Feb 13, 2009 13:04:48 GMT 1, I feel I need to get involved with all this as Grafter is a good mate of mine... In actual fact... Grafter has little or no say in any of all this... His images are all owned by a small group of Kazakhstani midgets and are made in Korea... They cottoned on to the fact that people kept asking where they could get Grafter Splashes from, so being the nice Kazakhstani midgets that they are, they complied and got a bunch of gnarly Koreans on the job... Grafter has been living in the Canary Islands for the past 11 years working as a Palm tree surgeon and knows nothing about any of this... Most of the little money he does make, goes on paying a double to masquerade as him, around the East End.... (not a very convincing double I may add!) Anyway, I thought you should all know... Now maybe you'll all leave him alone. Lastly I'd just like to add... having seen lots of posts in times gone by, asking just whether there will be any more prints or originals etc... as the saying goes... "You can't have your cake, and eat it too..." NB... At least the Kazakhstanis and Gnarly Koreans have work and can feed their families.
Read the tin! Use in well ventilated areas!
I feel I need to get involved with all this as Grafter is a good mate of mine... In actual fact... Grafter has little or no say in any of all this... His images are all owned by a small group of Kazakhstani midgets and are made in Korea... They cottoned on to the fact that people kept asking where they could get Grafter Splashes from, so being the nice Kazakhstani midgets that they are, they complied and got a bunch of gnarly Koreans on the job... Grafter has been living in the Canary Islands for the past 11 years working as a Palm tree surgeon and knows nothing about any of this... Most of the little money he does make, goes on paying a double to masquerade as him, around the East End.... (not a very convincing double I may add!) Anyway, I thought you should all know... Now maybe you'll all leave him alone. Lastly I'd just like to add... having seen lots of posts in times gone by, asking just whether there will be any more prints or originals etc... as the saying goes... "You can't have your cake, and eat it too..." NB... At least the Kazakhstanis and Gnarly Koreans have work and can feed their families. Read the tin! Use in well ventilated areas!
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by chrisj on Feb 13, 2009 13:07:26 GMT 1, Up now, if anyone's interested.
All gone.
Up now, if anyone's interested. All gone.
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by pointblank on Feb 13, 2009 13:11:03 GMT 1, No they aint.
No they aint.
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leighdrive
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by leighdrive on Feb 13, 2009 13:16:44 GMT 1, Nope, still there.
Nope, still there.
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by gozgoz on Feb 13, 2009 13:19:09 GMT 1,
woah! i really like this! its like some crazy david choe-esque painting!
woah! i really like this! its like some crazy david choe-esque painting!
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by romanywg on Feb 13, 2009 13:53:56 GMT 1, That is nice.
That is nice.
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by Maxie on Feb 13, 2009 14:12:23 GMT 1, i own a blue splash, its the bollocks, grafter is a top bloke. Great image, great service. Who cares about the new edition reducing the value of the original editions. It should have been bought because you liked the image much like an early banksy print. Don't buy to flip or if you do just wait a while, if grafter is lucky then you will all reap the rewards in years to come, if he doesnt make the big tme then you still have a great framed image for the walls that not many others own. Take i
i own a blue splash, its the bollocks, grafter is a top bloke. Great image, great service. Who cares about the new edition reducing the value of the original editions. It should have been bought because you liked the image much like an early banksy print. Don't buy to flip or if you do just wait a while, if grafter is lucky then you will all reap the rewards in years to come, if he doesnt make the big tme then you still have a great framed image for the walls that not many others own. Take i
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by jonpud on Feb 13, 2009 14:20:55 GMT 1, Nice one Grafter, all sold in the hour.
Been reading this thread with interest.
Just wanna say, fucking fickle people, money, money, money thats all its about.
Grafter at end of the day is one of us, he attends gallery open evenings, he supports fellow artists, he is an active member of this board and he has done his fair share to support various charities.
Have we forgotten that we buy this art because we love the images, we don't buy it to make a profit!
Wonder what this forum is coming to more and more every day!
Fucking sad!
Keep up good work Grafter!
Nice one Grafter, all sold in the hour.
Been reading this thread with interest.
Just wanna say, fucking fickle people, money, money, money thats all its about.
Grafter at end of the day is one of us, he attends gallery open evenings, he supports fellow artists, he is an active member of this board and he has done his fair share to support various charities.
Have we forgotten that we buy this art because we love the images, we don't buy it to make a profit!
Wonder what this forum is coming to more and more every day!
Fucking sad!
Keep up good work Grafter!
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leeoman
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Grafter Splash - New Triptych available tomorrow, by leeoman on Feb 13, 2009 14:21:55 GMT 1, i own a blue splash, its the bollocks, grafter is a top bloke. Great image, great service. Who cares about the new edition reducing the value of the original editions. It should have been bought because you liked the image much like an early banksy print. Don't buy to flip or if you do just wait a while, if grafter is lucky then you will all reap the rewards in years to come, if he doesnt make the big tme then you still have a great framed image for the walls that not many others own. Take i
Very well said
i own a blue splash, its the bollocks, grafter is a top bloke. Great image, great service. Who cares about the new edition reducing the value of the original editions. It should have been bought because you liked the image much like an early banksy print. Don't buy to flip or if you do just wait a while, if grafter is lucky then you will all reap the rewards in years to come, if he doesnt make the big tme then you still have a great framed image for the walls that not many others own. Take i Very well said
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