Handiedan 🇳🇱 Mixed Media Collage • New Print Release

[Deleted]

I think the forum's moved on from the point where selling something you've only just bought will get you put in front of the virtual firing squad, just the lack of finesse demonstrated sometimes does grate.

What's more irritating is when 'new' members show willingness to extract the maximum amount of cash from 'old' members for a piece when it is reasonably clear that they got the information about that item from this forum. I cannot readily think of a solution to this (Looks back fondly to the days when off e-bay sales were conducted net of fees / on a equal split basis / discounted for previous favours etc etc.....)

[rsj]

Just want to say that, as a relatively new member to this forum, and one who certainly has limited knowledge regarding the price and history of certain pieces, I find the advice by the established members (incl. Mods) very helpful. I think everyone would like to make a little bit of profit when selling or trading. All people want to see is some fairly-priced trades. For example, it is very helpful when it is pointed out which members here or on eBay might be shill bidding.

[Daniel Silk]

ALWAYS on the look out for more Mods on here Im all for it! The problem is finding the right kind of people Gotta be pretty laid back, and not wanting to do it just so they can boss people about who they dont like.

Actually, at the moment I dont think we really have that much of a problem things seem to run pretty smooth, and only the odd bit of trouble normally from only the same small group of people.

[spencerlee]

I am not sure more mods won't will any difference. Silky has made it quite clear (on the thread by Otto and the rules) that what a person does with their print is up to them. I am guessing that the more posts, sales, swaps, members on the forums is something Silky wants so I don't think he cares about what kind of transactions they are?

Have I got this wrong?

[bullet]

the point is trying to re-sell art bought from fellow forum members back to other members for more.

shady. wouldn't you agree....

silky

[Daniel Silk]

Apr 11, 2010 13:34:16 GMT 1 bullet said:

the point is trying to re-sell art bought from fellow forum members back to other members for more.

shady. wouldn't you agree....

silky

I don't really see anything shady about that If you were happy to sell it at whatever price, then your involvement with it is finished. I would imagine you have done the same thing over the years? am I wrong?
I seem to remember you were advertising that you were after a piece a few weeks back and you had another buyer already lined up for it? am I wrong?

At the end of the day, people buy and sell and I should think most people do try to sell for more than they paid in an ideal world.

[bullet]

yup, as usual wrong on all accounts.

so you dont think its shady for people to be playing the people on here off each other then.

[Nico]

Apr 11, 2010 13:56:45 GMT 1 bullet said:

yup, as usual wrong on all accounts.

so you dont think its shady for people to be playing the people on here off each other then.

;D Yeah...wouldn't the sale of a said Dface bible (that was obtained for free) enter that category?

...sorry, couldn't resist...

[bullet]

so how is that playing members off each other for personal gain.

eg someone buying a print for 1900 off the forum then re-selling it that same day for 2300 to another member.

[Daniel Silk]

Apr 11, 2010 14:00:44 GMT 1 bullet said:

so how is that playing members off each other for personal gain.

eg someone buying a print for 1900 off the forum then re-selling it that same day for 2300 to another member.

Why dint otto71's buyer buy it cheaper from you in the first place?

[Nico]

Apr 11, 2010 14:00:44 GMT 1 bullet said:

so how is that playing members off each other for personal gain.

eg someone buying a print for 1900 off the forum then re-selling it that same day for 2300 to another member.

yeah, anyway, it was just tease...

[bullet]

because it was never advertised for sale. it was offered as the member in question was bleating on about loving and looking for one for so long. As i have a few, i did the guy a favour and yet again, like a lot of favours by the regulars on here it was shoved back in their face.

do you condone this?

[Daniel Silk]

Apr 11, 2010 14:05:01 GMT 1 bullet said:

because it was never advertised for sale. it was offered as the member in question was bleating on about loving and looking for one for so long. As i have a few, i did the guy a favour and yet again, like a lot of favours by the regulars on here it was shoved back in their face.

do you condone this?

Maybe if you were this worried about getting the TOP price for it you should have offered it up for sale on the forum Lesson learned maybe?

[DOH]

Apr 11, 2010 13:56:45 GMT 1 bullet said:

yup, as usual wrong on all accounts.

so you dont think its shady for people to be playing the people on here off each other then.

Stop moaning freerange..so boring now......

[Ottomatik]

Freerange, I'm fascinated with your obsession of me.
Honestly- there is more splatter from you about me on these threads lately, than Mr Brainwash puts on his prints!
As for this print. I was offering 2 Handiedans for 1 Miss Bugs. Snow white is selling for $150 on the bay. And I paid $125 for Thanslucent with total trade around $275. The Miss Bugs I want El Vira last sold in eBay for $284. You are really making a BIG deal of me cheating someone out of $9?
As for me being a flipper? Eh, you seemed to not have an issue taking my MBW print 2.5weeks after the release.
It seems you're more of a "do as I say, not as I do" kind guy.
Also, if you go back and look at the thread that had my MBW listed for sale or trade, you will see that I had Insect Star Eyes listed as a wanted trade. That's what I got with the sale of said Invasion. Which I sold for $75 less than the average going rate. I paid for the shipping also.

[willywonka]

Apr 11, 2010 13:45:27 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I don't really see anything shady about that If you were happy to sell it at whatever price, then your involvement with it is finished.

And we are all here to make money in the end of the day so stop your whinging Freerange.

[bullet]

Otto. You buy prints then swap them with people that missed out on those prints for your own pocket. When did these prints come out. Last week? Its not just me thats outed you, i take it you have read the other members posts about your tactics. Stay on your coffee forum and dont bother over here.

[Ottomatik]

No, I don't.
I've had 3 transactions on this forum. Anyone on this forum can search my history of post and that will be confirmed!
I bought a print from a respected member. I still have said print
I traded with another member. I still have that print also. He. However sold his.(and I have no issue with that. It was his print to do as he wants.)
Then the third trade, with you. Well, I think everyone on this forum knows about that one.
So...it's time for you to let this go.
As for you telling me to stay away from the thread. That just makes you seem like a bully.
This will be the last time I acknowledge you on these threads. I'm done. I would hope you would extend me the same common courtesy.

[bullet]

Maybe if you gave the courtesy to the real members on here then they would give respect back

[Deleted]

Apr 11, 2010 15:49:40 GMT 1 @willywonka said:

Apr 11, 2010 13:45:27 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I don't really see anything shady about that If you were happy to sell it at whatever price, then your involvement with it is finished.

And we are all here to make money in the end of the day so stop your whinging Freerange.

We're not all here solely to make money, although some clearly are, possibly an increasing majority?

No one minds people making money I don't think, indeed it's an integral part of the success of the market as a whole but one of the benefits of being part of this forum was that you could buy and sell at discount to ebay. Someone would do you a favour and you would repay that favour to another. What you didn't tend to get was someone (in this instance) buying a Handiedan and bigging up the quality then trying to turn it around in an instant. There's no getting away from this.

As Silky says, it's yours and you can do what you want with it. You can burn it if you want and post online but you have to expect a little negging, this is inevitable.

[Ottomatik]

Lurker- how am I trying to make money? As stated above. The trade value would entail the Translucent print at cost-$125.
That's no profit for me. And besides. It was offered as a trade. Not a financial gain.

Why would I burn a print? That's just silly talk.

[samuraiwriter]

Sorry to interrupt...

Has anyone received their print? Thoughts? I got to see one in person the other day and it looked very nice. Unfortunately, due to work, it's going to be a while before I can "un-tube" my own. I hope 2 months in a dark tube doesn't cause any problems for the print. A 12 layer S.S. kinda makes me nervous all rolled up. Paranoia???

[Deleted]

Otto - don't be a nob, you were originally inviting offers for the Translucent Skins to enable a trade, if you can get a synthetic value uplift to enable a then miss bugs purchase then this would achieve your transparently obvious aim.

I don't think these have been received yet in the main - although Otto (temporarily) claims to have his.

[Billy Sport]

you'll never get a snow white miss bugs for $150. last few ive seen sold are £300+ which is more like $450. if anyone is selling snow white for $150 contact me and i'll have it.

[bullet]

Fail.

[willywonka]

Apr 11, 2010 20:38:34 GMT 1 Ottomatik said:

Apr 11, 2010 19:03:02 GMT 1 Billy Sport said:

you'll never get a snow white miss bugs for $150. last few ive seen sold are £300+ which is more like $450. if anyone is selling snow white for $150 contact me and i'll have it.

WillyWonka- I was speaking of Handiedan-I Love Snow White No.3.
However it would be nice to bag a Miss Bugs-They'll Rip Your Heart Out (snow white) for $150!

eh?

[Ottomatik]

Apr 11, 2010 20:38:34 GMT 1 Ottomatik said:

Apr 11, 2010 19:03:02 GMT 1 Billy Sport said:

you'll never get a snow white miss bugs for $150. last few ive seen sold are £300+ which is more like $450. if anyone is selling snow white for $150 contact me and i'll have it.

Billy- I was speaking of Handiedan-I Love Snow White No.3.
However it would be nice to bag a Miss Bugs-They'll Rip Your Heart Out (snow white) for $150!

Lurker-

[ricobenfico]

And that's a nice link back onto talking about this print like the heading/title says......

Nuff bickering.

Anyone else received these yet? Would like to see more photo's please.

[bullet]

otto, the more threads you make the more it will get harder for you. even on your coffee forum.

take it you only own the 1 portfolio sleeve then.

Your not some fancy club you know, ive always hated those places that are 1 out 1 in.

[darrenrapley]

Funny this print.
My thoughts about it changes from dislike to like an awful lot. Too late as they have all gone anyway but am looking forward to seeing one framed.