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JetSet Graffiti, by baileymontana on Feb 22, 2010 11:24:27 GMT 1, Is it possible to change the subject header of this thread to "Jet Set Graffitii: Customers not receiving what they paid for?" or something similar and make it a sticky till resolved.
It seems JSG has decided to leave, rather than let his potential customers know how he deals with prints that are paid for but not received. As has correctly been pointed out, this might all die down in a few months and JSG may have another print for sale and new members will think all is good with JSG if this thread disappears.
I have a feeling if this is a sticky thread on here with Jet Set Graffitti (rather than JSG) in the subject header, the issues that have arisen here might be sorted out sooner rather than later.
Banning JSG just gives him the defence that he now can't respond to allegations. Where as, for most people, his refusal to actually answer clearly any questions when he has the opportunity actually says a lot more about the business practices of JSG than his silence.
Is it possible to change the subject header of this thread to "Jet Set Graffitii: Customers not receiving what they paid for?" or something similar and make it a sticky till resolved.
It seems JSG has decided to leave, rather than let his potential customers know how he deals with prints that are paid for but not received. As has correctly been pointed out, this might all die down in a few months and JSG may have another print for sale and new members will think all is good with JSG if this thread disappears.
I have a feeling if this is a sticky thread on here with Jet Set Graffitti (rather than JSG) in the subject header, the issues that have arisen here might be sorted out sooner rather than later.
Banning JSG just gives him the defence that he now can't respond to allegations. Where as, for most people, his refusal to actually answer clearly any questions when he has the opportunity actually says a lot more about the business practices of JSG than his silence.
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JetSet Graffiti, by daveinbrooklyn on Feb 22, 2010 11:31:54 GMT 1, As someone who has taken a lot of joy out of collecting street art, it is really disheartening to watch this issue come up year after year with Mr. Lahoda. Is it worth buying art from someone that can't run a business honestly? The bottom line is that Mr. Lahoda has succeed in one area....devaluing pieces by Ron English and D*Face. Their reputations are sullied after working with Mr. Lahoda and I will no longer be purchasing any of their pieces. Don't be surprised to see a large number of prints from both hit ebay in the next month.
As someone who has taken a lot of joy out of collecting street art, it is really disheartening to watch this issue come up year after year with Mr. Lahoda. Is it worth buying art from someone that can't run a business honestly? The bottom line is that Mr. Lahoda has succeed in one area....devaluing pieces by Ron English and D*Face. Their reputations are sullied after working with Mr. Lahoda and I will no longer be purchasing any of their pieces. Don't be surprised to see a large number of prints from both hit ebay in the next month.
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JetSet Graffiti, by spirit on Feb 22, 2010 12:24:05 GMT 1, Certainly his gallery status should be taken away and admins should prevent JSG from posting to promote his business until this is resolved. That seems like a good compromise to me.
Seeing as Jetset seems to have decided to leave of his own accord without any suggestion that he is prepared to make good on the money he owes I think there is a strong argument for an outright ban now. Despite being given every opportunity to defend himself and give his side of the story he has refused to do so.
If people still feel that a right to reply should be left open for him then at the very least I think that it is now time for Afroken's suggestion above to be implemented. Would you agree with that Silky?
Also Silky, please can you make a note of the IP number(s) used by JetSet as if previous form on other forums that he has been banned from is anything to go by, it is likely that he will start posting on here again using a different persona next time he has something to sell.
IMO it is now beyond any reasonable doubt that Daniel Lahoda of JSG is a liar and a thief. I therefore agree that it would be a good idea if this thread was given a clear title and stickyed so that forum members (particularly new ones) are left in no doubt about the kind of person they are dealing with, and the risks they would be taking, should they be tempted to deal with him in the future.
Poppy - I'm sorry that you have not got your money back yet and I sincerely hope you take up the suggestions made by Jam, Pffffffft and others with regards to appropriate legal courses of action. Please keep us updated on your progress.
Certainly his gallery status should be taken away and admins should prevent JSG from posting to promote his business until this is resolved. That seems like a good compromise to me. Seeing as Jetset seems to have decided to leave of his own accord without any suggestion that he is prepared to make good on the money he owes I think there is a strong argument for an outright ban now. Despite being given every opportunity to defend himself and give his side of the story he has refused to do so. If people still feel that a right to reply should be left open for him then at the very least I think that it is now time for Afroken's suggestion above to be implemented. Would you agree with that Silky? Also Silky, please can you make a note of the IP number(s) used by JetSet as if previous form on other forums that he has been banned from is anything to go by, it is likely that he will start posting on here again using a different persona next time he has something to sell. IMO it is now beyond any reasonable doubt that Daniel Lahoda of JSG is a liar and a thief. I therefore agree that it would be a good idea if this thread was given a clear title and stickyed so that forum members (particularly new ones) are left in no doubt about the kind of person they are dealing with, and the risks they would be taking, should they be tempted to deal with him in the future. Poppy - I'm sorry that you have not got your money back yet and I sincerely hope you take up the suggestions made by Jam, Pffffffft and others with regards to appropriate legal courses of action. Please keep us updated on your progress.
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JetSet Graffiti, by manty on Feb 22, 2010 18:49:25 GMT 1, Maybe send a copy of the info to Modern Multiples and the artists he deals with as well
Maybe send a copy of the info to Modern Multiples and the artists he deals with as well
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JetSet Graffiti, by curiousgeorge on Feb 22, 2010 20:32:44 GMT 1, Fairplay to silky for keeping this running. Anyone really interested in helping Poppy PM me strength in numbers and all that
Fairplay to silky for keeping this running. Anyone really interested in helping Poppy PM me strength in numbers and all that
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JetSet Graffiti, by spenie1975 on Feb 22, 2010 22:32:26 GMT 1, Is it a forum trip. Westside.
Is it a forum trip. Westside.
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JetSet Graffiti, by thecsoldier on Feb 23, 2010 2:37:38 GMT 1, email from Daniel says he over sold the PP set by 2 (i can post it word for word if its needed)......gave the 2 people he oversold to a reg edition print instead, he did this with no notification, not giving the person any options or a heads up.
even if thats true i still would like to know about the charity
email from Daniel says he over sold the PP set by 2 (i can post it word for word if its needed)......gave the 2 people he oversold to a reg edition print instead, he did this with no notification, not giving the person any options or a heads up.
even if thats true i still would like to know about the charity
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JetSet Graffiti, by pfffffffffft on Feb 23, 2010 3:13:17 GMT 1, email from Daniel says he over sold the PP set by 2 (i can post it word for word if its needed)......gave the 2 people he oversold to a reg edition print instead, he did this with no notification, not giving the person any options or a heads up. even if thats true i still would like to know about the charity
How can you oversell an edition of 10 by 20%? Really? I also wonder if the $3800 was the proceeds from 10 prints or 12 prints.
Post the email, would like to see it.
No word back from the charity either yet.
I guess based on that tidbit the print edition was not in fact sold out.
email from Daniel says he over sold the PP set by 2 (i can post it word for word if its needed)......gave the 2 people he oversold to a reg edition print instead, he did this with no notification, not giving the person any options or a heads up. even if thats true i still would like to know about the charity How can you oversell an edition of 10 by 20%? Really? I also wonder if the $3800 was the proceeds from 10 prints or 12 prints. Post the email, would like to see it. No word back from the charity either yet. I guess based on that tidbit the print edition was not in fact sold out.
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JetSet Graffiti, by nigelbgg on Feb 23, 2010 11:06:45 GMT 1, He's fucking gone, been busted.... a lot like on the Obey Forum, and gone.
This forum shifts a lot of prints for JSG, so don't be surprised to see a Lahoda-a-like pop up just before something needs shifting.
He's fucking gone, been busted.... a lot like on the Obey Forum, and gone.
This forum shifts a lot of prints for JSG, so don't be surprised to see a Lahoda-a-like pop up just before something needs shifting.
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JetSet Graffiti, by grantb on Feb 23, 2010 12:15:21 GMT 1, email from Daniel says he over sold the PP set by 2 (i can post it word for word if its needed)......gave the 2 people he oversold to a reg edition print instead, he did this with no notification, not giving the person any options or a heads up. even if thats true i still would like to know about the charity
the fact he would send out a reg edition and not tell them is disgusting. to me a a/p p/p wateva is alot different from the normal run.
email from Daniel says he over sold the PP set by 2 (i can post it word for word if its needed)......gave the 2 people he oversold to a reg edition print instead, he did this with no notification, not giving the person any options or a heads up. even if thats true i still would like to know about the charity the fact he would send out a reg edition and not tell them is disgusting. to me a a/p p/p wateva is alot different from the normal run.
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JetSet Graffiti, by nigelbgg on Feb 23, 2010 14:06:25 GMT 1, Like someone else said, it would be nice to chage the name of this thread to Jet Set Graffiti and make it sticky, until Chris is sorted out.
Like someone else said, it would be nice to chage the name of this thread to Jet Set Graffiti and make it sticky, until Chris is sorted out.
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JetSet Graffiti, by Poppy Sunshine on Feb 23, 2010 18:28:18 GMT 1, This is now in the hands of the LAPD art fraud department who have designated officers for art only cases.
My specific officer is not any old art detective but one who personally has solved $31 million of art fraud in the last 5 years including Monet, Picasso, Renoir, Warhol etc etc etc.
He has taken my case on and has indicated that he may want to gather info from all other internet complainants so it may be a good idea to start collecting your details together.
Thanks again to everyone for your help and support so far. Particular massive thanks to pfffffffffft who is officially diamond encrusted with a cherry on top. I'll do a full speech at a later date but for now let's say a steam roller is gathering momentum and heading for JSG HQ.
All aboard !!
This is now in the hands of the LAPD art fraud department who have designated officers for art only cases.
My specific officer is not any old art detective but one who personally has solved $31 million of art fraud in the last 5 years including Monet, Picasso, Renoir, Warhol etc etc etc.
He has taken my case on and has indicated that he may want to gather info from all other internet complainants so it may be a good idea to start collecting your details together.
Thanks again to everyone for your help and support so far. Particular massive thanks to pfffffffffft who is officially diamond encrusted with a cherry on top. I'll do a full speech at a later date but for now let's say a steam roller is gathering momentum and heading for JSG HQ.
All aboard !!
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JetSet Graffiti, by rosstierney on Feb 23, 2010 18:30:41 GMT 1, LOL
LOL
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JetSet Graffiti, by spirit on Feb 23, 2010 18:41:34 GMT 1, Well done poppy and pffffffffft. Sounds like JetSet will end up wishing he had paid up when he had the chance. I guess he'll have plenty of time to think about that when he's sharing a cell with Big Bubba.
Well done poppy and pffffffffft. Sounds like JetSet will end up wishing he had paid up when he had the chance. I guess he'll have plenty of time to think about that when he's sharing a cell with Big Bubba.
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JetSet Graffiti, by kronoopus on Feb 23, 2010 18:42:11 GMT 1, Do I hear a loud crash? Poppy, your day is coming! Hope you get your money back very soon.
Do I hear a loud crash? Poppy, your day is coming! Hope you get your money back very soon.
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JetSet Graffiti, by Curley on Feb 23, 2010 18:43:53 GMT 1, This is now in the hands of the LAPD art fraud department who have designated officers for art only cases. My specific officer is not any old art detective but one who personally has solved $31 million of art fraud in the last 5 years including Monet, Picasso, Renoir, Warhol etc etc etc. He has taken my case on and has indicated that he may want to gather info from all other internet complainants so it may be a good idea to start collecting your details together. Thanks again to everyone for your help and support so far. Particular massive thanks to pfffffffffft who is officially diamond encrusted with a cherry on top. I'll do a full speech at a later date but for now let's say a steam roller is gathering momentum and heading for JSG HQ. All aboard !!
I really hope you get the result you want.
This is now in the hands of the LAPD art fraud department who have designated officers for art only cases. My specific officer is not any old art detective but one who personally has solved $31 million of art fraud in the last 5 years including Monet, Picasso, Renoir, Warhol etc etc etc. He has taken my case on and has indicated that he may want to gather info from all other internet complainants so it may be a good idea to start collecting your details together. Thanks again to everyone for your help and support so far. Particular massive thanks to pfffffffffft who is officially diamond encrusted with a cherry on top. I'll do a full speech at a later date but for now let's say a steam roller is gathering momentum and heading for JSG HQ. All aboard !! I really hope you get the result you want.
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JetSet Graffiti, by curiousgeorge on Feb 23, 2010 18:47:23 GMT 1, Good lucky Poppy! don't forget to chase him for pain in the ass money!
Given his history i would not be surprised if bankrupts himself or suchlike to avoid paying
Good lucky Poppy! don't forget to chase him for pain in the ass money!
Given his history i would not be surprised if bankrupts himself or suchlike to avoid paying
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JetSet Graffiti, by afroken on Feb 23, 2010 18:58:15 GMT 1, Good news Poppy. Seems like you got yourself the Columbo of the art world there. I hope it all works out and I look forward to see Dahoda's LAPD mug shot.
Good news Poppy. Seems like you got yourself the Columbo of the art world there. I hope it all works out and I look forward to see Dahoda's LAPD mug shot.
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JetSet Graffiti, by manty on Feb 23, 2010 19:17:16 GMT 1, Nice one
Look forward to hearing a positive result.
I would buy an AP of his mug shot for charity :-)
Nice one
Look forward to hearing a positive result.
I would buy an AP of his mug shot for charity :-)
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JetSet Graffiti, by lifeonwalls on Feb 23, 2010 19:19:34 GMT 1, Great news Poppy. We're all pulling for you to get back what is rightfully yours.
Keep us posted on any news/updates.
Great news Poppy. We're all pulling for you to get back what is rightfully yours.
Keep us posted on any news/updates.
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JetSet Graffiti, by ninja on Feb 23, 2010 21:07:28 GMT 1, anybody for tossed salad? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
anybody for tossed salad? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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JetSet Graffiti, by pfffffffffft on Feb 24, 2010 2:27:53 GMT 1, I would buy an AP of his mug shot for charity :-)
LOLOLOLOL! That would make a crackin print!
I would buy an AP of his mug shot for charity :-) LOLOLOLOL! That would make a crackin print!
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JetSet Graffiti, by nigelbgg on Feb 24, 2010 10:26:43 GMT 1, Give them a call I bet already got it in their archives
Give them a call I bet already got it in their archives
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JetSet Graffiti, by Daniel Silk on Feb 24, 2010 17:44:20 GMT 1, A bit of News that D*Face wanted passed on -
"I had nothing to do with the sale of these Publishers prints for charity, in fact I wasn't even informed of the sale of these prints at all."
A bit of News that D*Face wanted passed on -
"I had nothing to do with the sale of these Publishers prints for charity, in fact I wasn't even informed of the sale of these prints at all."
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JetSet Graffiti, by schlomo on Feb 24, 2010 17:51:50 GMT 1, A bit of News that D*Face wanted passed on - "I had nothing to do with the sale of these Publishers prints for charity, in fact I wasn't even informed of the sale of these prints at all."
Thanks for posting Silky.
Blimey.....
edit - Chris glad to hear its gonna be sorted mate, sounds like you have the right man for the job.
A bit of News that D*Face wanted passed on - "I had nothing to do with the sale of these Publishers prints for charity, in fact I wasn't even informed of the sale of these prints at all." Thanks for posting Silky. Blimey..... edit - Chris glad to hear its gonna be sorted mate, sounds like you have the right man for the job.
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JetSet Graffiti, by nigelbgg on Feb 24, 2010 18:22:02 GMT 1, A bit of News that D*Face wanted passed on - "I had nothing to do with the sale of these Publishers prints for charity, in fact I wasn't even informed of the sale of these prints at all."
Reads to me like ... ''I just found out Lahoda is dodgy and its time to distance myself''.
A bit of News that D*Face wanted passed on - "I had nothing to do with the sale of these Publishers prints for charity, in fact I wasn't even informed of the sale of these prints at all." Reads to me like ... ''I just found out Lahoda is dodgy and its time to distance myself''.
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JetSet Graffiti, by Graffiti Prints on Feb 24, 2010 19:54:12 GMT 1, got mine edition of 10 PUD what ever that means, i thought it would say p/p but hey its very nice, lovely colours and i got 8 cool new stickers always a sucker for nice stickers.
done my bit for hati and got a great print, (however much money finds its way there, and i do hope at least 400 dollars per print would be fair anything under would be a disgrace as he made his money from the main edition).
peace
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got mine edition of 10 PUD what ever that means, i thought it would say p/p but hey its very nice, lovely colours and i got 8 cool new stickers always a sucker for nice stickers.
done my bit for hati and got a great print, (however much money finds its way there, and i do hope at least 400 dollars per print would be fair anything under would be a disgrace as he made his money from the main edition).
peace
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JetSet Graffiti, by bigtlt on Feb 24, 2010 20:33:20 GMT 1, A bit of News that D*Face wanted passed on - "I had nothing to do with the sale of these Publishers prints for charity, in fact I wasn't even informed of the sale of these prints at all."
Is the sale of the Publishers Prints without the Artists consent not a breach of copyright??
Surely P/P's are only meant as gifts???
Thats if the Artist even consents to Printers Proofs...
A bit of News that D*Face wanted passed on - "I had nothing to do with the sale of these Publishers prints for charity, in fact I wasn't even informed of the sale of these prints at all." Is the sale of the Publishers Prints without the Artists consent not a breach of copyright?? Surely P/P's are only meant as gifts??? Thats if the Artist even consents to Printers Proofs...
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JetSet Graffiti, by baileymontana on Feb 24, 2010 20:33:22 GMT 1, A bit of News that D*Face wanted passed on - "I had nothing to do with the sale of these Publishers prints for charity, in fact I wasn't even informed of the sale of these prints at all."
That's not on from JSG. My Mum always told me never be generous with other peoples time, work or money...JSG needs to get schooled by Mum. That's low not to get approval from the artist.
A bit of News that D*Face wanted passed on - "I had nothing to do with the sale of these Publishers prints for charity, in fact I wasn't even informed of the sale of these prints at all." That's not on from JSG. My Mum always told me never be generous with other peoples time, work or money...JSG needs to get schooled by Mum. That's low not to get approval from the artist.
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