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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by stillborncrisps on Sept 20, 2010 12:40:28 GMT 1, Grafik - I see people talking about MATD and XEL as waiting to explode. You looked into those? Whatta your thoughts?
Grafik - I see people talking about MATD and XEL as waiting to explode. You looked into those? Whatta your thoughts?
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grafik
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by grafik on Sept 20, 2010 13:18:21 GMT 1, Grafik - I see people talking about MATD and XEL as waiting to explode. You looked into those? Whatta your thoughts?
No idea haven't had a look yet, but do some simple maths..
how much oil have they got, or potentially got? (in millions of barrels, unrisked, oil in ground price is say $4)
Whats their MktCap?
If the company is worth already far more than they oil they have or, might have. don't bother, youll just be jumping on a bandwagon
Grafik - I see people talking about MATD and XEL as waiting to explode. You looked into those? Whatta your thoughts? No idea haven't had a look yet, but do some simple maths.. how much oil have they got, or potentially got? (in millions of barrels, unrisked, oil in ground price is say $4) Whats their MktCap? If the company is worth already far more than they oil they have or, might have. don't bother, youll just be jumping on a bandwagon
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by walshy on Sept 20, 2010 16:12:44 GMT 1, awesome car (the Z4, not the plastic yellow waggon). each to their own, but mmike, i reckon you stick to non investing and a cautious approach, and ill stick to strategic share investments with graffik...
+1 far better than sticking it in the bank. If you buy art as an investment you have to be collecting the blue chip pieces, I dont have 10k min to drop on art. But a few shares is far better than my trips to the bookies
awesome car (the Z4, not the plastic yellow waggon). each to their own, but mmike, i reckon you stick to non investing and a cautious approach, and ill stick to strategic share investments with graffik... +1 far better than sticking it in the bank. If you buy art as an investment you have to be collecting the blue chip pieces, I dont have 10k min to drop on art. But a few shares is far better than my trips to the bookies
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by denmeadmichelle on Sept 20, 2010 20:34:36 GMT 1, Grafik can you explain how RKH share price can be more than BP, does this make sence, i would have thought that BP would have loads more assets than RKH?
Grafik can you explain how RKH share price can be more than BP, does this make sence, i would have thought that BP would have loads more assets than RKH?
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by grafik on Sept 20, 2010 20:43:56 GMT 1, Grafik can you explain how RKH share price can be more than BP, does this make sence, i would have thought that BP would have loads more assets than RKH?
Very simple young grasshopper...
Its all down to the number of shares in circulation,
for example: company X has 10 shares at ยฃ2.00 a share. they are worth ยฃ20 company Y has 100 shares at 0.50p a share. they are worth ยฃ50
in the case of BP, they have about 1.8billion shares in circulation, and are worth circa 7 billion, whereas RKH have 192m shares, and are worth ยฃ900m
Grafik can you explain how RKH share price can be more than BP, does this make sence, i would have thought that BP would have loads more assets than RKH? Very simple young grasshopper... Its all down to the number of shares in circulation, for example: company X has 10 shares at ยฃ2.00 a share. they are worth ยฃ20 company Y has 100 shares at 0.50p a share. they are worth ยฃ50 in the case of BP, they have about 1.8billion shares in circulation, and are worth circa 7 billion, whereas RKH have 192m shares, and are worth ยฃ900m
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by denmeadmichelle on Sept 20, 2010 20:52:50 GMT 1, Grafik can you explain how RKH share price can be more than BP, does this make sence, i would have thought that BP would have loads more assets than RKH? Very simple young grasshopper... Its all down to the number of shares in circulation, for example: company X has 10 shares at ยฃ2.00 a share. they are worth ยฃ20 company Y has 100 shares at 0.50p a share. they are worth ยฃ50 in the case of BP, they have about 1.8billion shares in circulation, and are worth circa 7 billion, whereas RKH have 192m shares, and are worth ยฃ900m Thanks Grafik, guessed it was to do with quantities but I couldnt be sure. I guess with BP its now a case of waiting to see how much the fines and penalties come to, hopefully it will be less then what they have put aside
Grafik can you explain how RKH share price can be more than BP, does this make sence, i would have thought that BP would have loads more assets than RKH? Very simple young grasshopper... Its all down to the number of shares in circulation, for example: company X has 10 shares at ยฃ2.00 a share. they are worth ยฃ20 company Y has 100 shares at 0.50p a share. they are worth ยฃ50 in the case of BP, they have about 1.8billion shares in circulation, and are worth circa 7 billion, whereas RKH have 192m shares, and are worth ยฃ900m Thanks Grafik, guessed it was to do with quantities but I couldnt be sure. I guess with BP its now a case of waiting to see how much the fines and penalties come to, hopefully it will be less then what they have put aside
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by grafik on Sept 20, 2010 21:14:00 GMT 1, Very simple young grasshopper... Its all down to the number of shares in circulation, for example: company X has 10 shares at ยฃ2.00 a share. they are worth ยฃ20 company Y has 100 shares at 0.50p a share. they are worth ยฃ50 in the case of BP, they have about 1.8billion shares in circulation, and are worth circa 7 billion, whereas RKH have 192m shares, and are worth ยฃ900m Thanks Grafik, guessed it was to do with quantities but I couldnt be sure. I guess with BP its now a case of waiting to see how much the fines and penalties come to, hopefully it will be less then what they have put aside
Kinda, the fines and clean up will hurt them but not in a end of company way... the thing that is going to hurt is the fact no americans are going to touch them now..
I wouldnt be surprised at all if they are brought up, or rebranded.
Very simple young grasshopper... Its all down to the number of shares in circulation, for example: company X has 10 shares at ยฃ2.00 a share. they are worth ยฃ20 company Y has 100 shares at 0.50p a share. they are worth ยฃ50 in the case of BP, they have about 1.8billion shares in circulation, and are worth circa 7 billion, whereas RKH have 192m shares, and are worth ยฃ900m Thanks Grafik, guessed it was to do with quantities but I couldnt be sure. I guess with BP its now a case of waiting to see how much the fines and penalties come to, hopefully it will be less then what they have put aside Kinda, the fines and clean up will hurt them but not in a end of company way... the thing that is going to hurt is the fact no americans are going to touch them now.. I wouldnt be surprised at all if they are brought up, or rebranded.
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by schnulli on Sept 21, 2010 7:01:16 GMT 1, Anyone know the best way to put any money into the UK stock market if you live overseas? Maybe one of the betting sites? Appreciate any advice..thanks
Anyone know the best way to put any money into the UK stock market if you live overseas? Maybe one of the betting sites? Appreciate any advice..thanks
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by Warm Gun on Sept 21, 2010 14:31:22 GMT 1, 4.95 for rkh!!!!
how high can they go?
4.95 for rkh!!!!
how high can they go?
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by denmeadmichelle on Oct 1, 2010 16:59:46 GMT 1, good week for bp, any ideas why grafik?
good week for bp, any ideas why grafik?
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by grafik on Oct 1, 2010 19:16:40 GMT 1, good week for bp, any ideas why grafik?
no idea, havent even looked at the news, or my share account. or a paper.
ive been moving house from somerset to london so i can tell you all about packing boxes and wrapping up prints in bubble wrap, but nothing about BP
good week for bp, any ideas why grafik? no idea, havent even looked at the news, or my share account. or a paper. ive been moving house from somerset to london so i can tell you all about packing boxes and wrapping up prints in bubble wrap, but nothing about BP
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by denmeadmichelle on Oct 1, 2010 19:32:18 GMT 1, good luck with your move grafik, did some diggin and it looks like its because of rising oil prices and the fact that they may be re-starting dividend payments
good luck with your move grafik, did some diggin and it looks like its because of rising oil prices and the fact that they may be re-starting dividend payments
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by walshy on Oct 14, 2010 21:19:38 GMT 1, des and RKH took hits today
des and RKH took hits today
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by denmeadmichelle on Oct 14, 2010 22:45:13 GMT 1, i got stuck into des at 119 but who knows which way they will go, good gamble though
i got stuck into des at 119 but who knows which way they will go, good gamble though
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by Warm Gun on Oct 14, 2010 23:00:38 GMT 1, Both been taking big hits all week.....t'is strange
Both been taking big hits all week.....t'is strange
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by denmeadmichelle on Oct 14, 2010 23:05:52 GMT 1, Both been taking big hits all week.....t'is strange yeh, rkh oil find may not be as big as expected, des first well is not showing great results, however they have more to drill so fingers crossed
Both been taking big hits all week.....t'is strange yeh, rkh oil find may not be as big as expected, des first well is not showing great results, however they have more to drill so fingers crossed
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by Warm Gun on Oct 14, 2010 23:08:13 GMT 1, Ah right, cheers for the translation. I read the press release but didn't understand a bloody word of it.
Ah right, cheers for the translation. I read the press release but didn't understand a bloody word of it.
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by etched on Oct 14, 2010 23:15:30 GMT 1, i heard rkh helped drill the hole for the chile miners and that big movies producers are on the move- mid next week big announcement to be made !! hold tight
i heard rkh helped drill the hole for the chile miners and that big movies producers are on the move- mid next week big announcement to be made !! hold tight
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by walshy on Oct 26, 2010 23:00:35 GMT 1, Any more des updates ? they are dropping daily..
Any more des updates ? they are dropping daily..
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by Jonny Breaks on Nov 29, 2010 20:11:36 GMT 1, Up to my neck in DES.....surely 3rd time lucky?
Up to my neck in DES.....surely 3rd time lucky?
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by Warm Gun on Nov 30, 2010 19:52:29 GMT 1, spoke too soon!
spoke too soon!
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by Jonny Breaks on Nov 30, 2010 19:59:55 GMT 1, Finger over the sell button at ยฃ1.42............bottled it..........god knows whats happening now.
For sure there is more to this than meets the eye - think investors are getting played!
Finger over the sell button at ยฃ1.42............bottled it..........god knows whats happening now.
For sure there is more to this than meets the eye - think investors are getting played!
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by artsmybag on Dec 6, 2010 15:28:38 GMT 1, If anyone fancies doubling their money in the next 12 months... buy Galiform (was mfi) @75p You can thank me later. what makes you think they'll double? (just curious, down to 60p now)
I invested 5k @ 60p per share
Today they are 97.5 per share...
Anyone else pick up on this ?
If anyone fancies doubling their money in the next 12 months... buy Galiform (was mfi) @75p You can thank me later. what makes you think they'll double? (just curious, down to 60p now) I invested 5k @ 60p per share Today they are 97.5 per share... Anyone else pick up on this ?
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by grafik on Dec 6, 2010 19:28:35 GMT 1, Finger over the sell button at ยฃ1.42............bottled it..........god knows whats happening now. For sure there is more to this than meets the eye - think investors are getting played!
indeed they were. looked far too good to be true, thankfully i sold out on friday but the old man took the hit today. ouch.
Finger over the sell button at ยฃ1.42............bottled it..........god knows whats happening now. For sure there is more to this than meets the eye - think investors are getting played! indeed they were. looked far too good to be true, thankfully i sold out on friday but the old man took the hit today. ouch.
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by Warm Gun on Dec 7, 2010 17:20:07 GMT 1, still dropping....
still dropping....
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by Jonny Breaks on Dec 11, 2010 11:55:55 GMT 1, Got out at ยฃ1.32.....criminal what happened last week...just glad i got out with some decent profit....back into XEL & BLVN and some decent trustworthy BoD.
Got out at ยฃ1.32.....criminal what happened last week...just glad i got out with some decent profit....back into XEL & BLVN and some decent trustworthy BoD.
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by Warm Gun on Dec 11, 2010 21:15:53 GMT 1, Got out at ยฃ1.32.....criminal what happened last week...just glad i got out with some decent profit....back into XEL & BLVN and some decent trustworthy BoD. What did happen last week?
Got out at ยฃ1.32.....criminal what happened last week...just glad i got out with some decent profit....back into XEL & BLVN and some decent trustworthy BoD. What did happen last week?
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by Brushstrokes 75 on Dec 12, 2010 15:16:39 GMT 1, Active investing is for suckers. If you are going to throw your money away like that you might as well spend it on art. Then at least you have something nice to look at. Index and forget it. Modern Portfolio Theory is where it is at.
I have to join mmike there.
I have been working as a broker during over a year (during my internship).
You can outperform the market on short tem trade with active trading but you won't beat it on the long run.
Chris (graphik) did a good job so far!
As a broker, I really didn't care about people winning or loosing money are we are paid on commission. Of course, people earning money will make them atp to trade more.
I've seen people loosing mad amount of money on pure active trading. With one guy lost everything about ยฃ300K in 48h on turbo call and use of heavy leverage. The company had to repossess his house though the guy has been winning a lot of money during 3 years or so.
If anyone is interested in some reading I really advice this book which would put things into perspective :
Fooled by Randomness: The Hidden Role of Chance in Life and in the Markets by Nassim Nicholas Taleb (who also wrote the Black Swann that I also advise to read, considered one of the most influential book since World War II).
Luck plays an awful part of trading on short term. By the way, I have to specify that investment is on long term trend (at least 2-5 years).
Modern portfolio theory is alright for me, Markowitz and Sharpe gave solid basis for risk management.
But I'm closer to Keynes-Buffet theory of focalized investment. The difference lie in the definition you give to the word "risk".
Markowitz consider that the investor should consider expected return a desirable thing and variance of return an undesirable thing.
That's why, his theory talks about portfolio diversification as an answer to lower risk. (Though the basic principle is that people will look for the lower given a certain return)
Contrary to that, Buffet and Keynes considers that the risk is not about having to few stocks. The risk is more subjective. Risk is mispicking a stock. They were analysing and researching the potential in a long term trend.
That is best illustrated by Buffet in 1964 when everyone is short selling American Express (for a fraud case). The guy bought all the shares that he could with the success we know.
If you look at the major lines of his portfolio a lot of stocks were purchased a long time ago and the percentage of active selling on his portfolio his rather low.
I'm sure if I've been really clear lol
But just remember one thing in Finance : there's no free lunch. If you want high returns, you'll have to take high risks.. (the shorter the period you're looking at the more risk are involved).
Active investing is for suckers. If you are going to throw your money away like that you might as well spend it on art. Then at least you have something nice to look at. Index and forget it. Modern Portfolio Theory is where it is at. I have to join mmike there. I have been working as a broker during over a year (during my internship). You can outperform the market on short tem trade with active trading but you won't beat it on the long run. Chris (graphik) did a good job so far! As a broker, I really didn't care about people winning or loosing money are we are paid on commission. Of course, people earning money will make them atp to trade more. I've seen people loosing mad amount of money on pure active trading. With one guy lost everything about ยฃ300K in 48h on turbo call and use of heavy leverage. The company had to repossess his house though the guy has been winning a lot of money during 3 years or so. If anyone is interested in some reading I really advice this book which would put things into perspective : Fooled by Randomness: The Hidden Role of Chance in Life and in the Markets by Nassim Nicholas Taleb (who also wrote the Black Swann that I also advise to read, considered one of the most influential book since World War II). Luck plays an awful part of trading on short term. By the way, I have to specify that investment is on long term trend (at least 2-5 years). Modern portfolio theory is alright for me, Markowitz and Sharpe gave solid basis for risk management. But I'm closer to Keynes-Buffet theory of focalized investment. The difference lie in the definition you give to the word "risk". Markowitz consider that the investor should consider expected return a desirable thing and variance of return an undesirable thing. That's why, his theory talks about portfolio diversification as an answer to lower risk. (Though the basic principle is that people will look for the lower given a certain return) Contrary to that, Buffet and Keynes considers that the risk is not about having to few stocks. The risk is more subjective. Risk is mispicking a stock. They were analysing and researching the potential in a long term trend. That is best illustrated by Buffet in 1964 when everyone is short selling American Express (for a fraud case). The guy bought all the shares that he could with the success we know. If you look at the major lines of his portfolio a lot of stocks were purchased a long time ago and the percentage of active selling on his portfolio his rather low. I'm sure if I've been really clear lol But just remember one thing in Finance : there's no free lunch. If you want high returns, you'll have to take high risks.. (the shorter the period you're looking at the more risk are involved).
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Share Tips - Anyone else trade?, by grafik on Dec 12, 2010 16:13:37 GMT 1, Active investing is for suckers. If you are going to throw your money away like that you might as well spend it on art. Then at least you have something nice to look at. Index and forget it. Modern Portfolio Theory is where it is at. Chris (graphik) did a good job so far!
thank you, I havent done badly, prob up around 500% for the 2/3 years ive been
Better than a poke in the eye, of course though this is a post crash market, and there were stupid gains to be had with little risk, HSBC sitting at 300 forever was impossible. A family friend remortgaged his house without the wife knowning and sold every stock he owned and pumped it into HSBC at 300, hes sitting pretty now with over a million profit.
Active investing is for suckers. If you are going to throw your money away like that you might as well spend it on art. Then at least you have something nice to look at. Index and forget it. Modern Portfolio Theory is where it is at. Chris (graphik) did a good job so far! thank you, I havent done badly, prob up around 500% for the 2/3 years ive been Better than a poke in the eye, of course though this is a post crash market, and there were stupid gains to be had with little risk, HSBC sitting at 300 forever was impossible. A family friend remortgaged his house without the wife knowning and sold every stock he owned and pumped it into HSBC at 300, hes sitting pretty now with over a million profit.
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