bristolboy
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by bristolboy on Mar 10, 2010 18:19:26 GMT 1, He did that before the film didnt he? True to some extent, but what effect will the film have on him in the future? I don't think its gonna be negative.
Hard to say really silky, I imagine in the short term the hype generated will keep the whirlwind spinning though in the long term unless the work has substance or an ounce of artistic merit the people will see it for what it is. But what do I know?
He did that before the film didnt he? True to some extent, but what effect will the film have on him in the future? I don't think its gonna be negative. Hard to say really silky, I imagine in the short term the hype generated will keep the whirlwind spinning though in the long term unless the work has substance or an ounce of artistic merit the people will see it for what it is. But what do I know?
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Mar 10, 2010 18:21:12 GMT 1, silky, did you read curleys post? hasnt your question been answered. show one review that is positive regarding MBW and the film.
Positive or Negative reviews does it really matter?
silky, did you read curleys post? hasnt your question been answered. show one review that is positive regarding MBW and the film. Positive or Negative reviews does it really matter?
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by leumasdarnley on Mar 10, 2010 18:28:36 GMT 1, Maybe I give the man too much credit but I can't imagine that Banksy is surprised by the MBW hype train. In the end I can't help but think this Movie is his real life version of Morons....
Maybe I give the man too much credit but I can't imagine that Banksy is surprised by the MBW hype train. In the end I can't help but think this Movie is his real life version of Morons....
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Curley on Mar 10, 2010 18:51:12 GMT 1, silky, did you read curleys post? hasnt your question been answered. show one review that is positive regarding MBW and the film. Positive or Negative reviews does it really matter?
To many people yes it does matter whether the review is good or bad as it will help them make an informed decision on whether to buy a book a CD or chose what film to go and see etc.
i dont know many who read a shit review then still buy the CD or whatever.
silky, did you read curleys post? hasnt your question been answered. show one review that is positive regarding MBW and the film. Positive or Negative reviews does it really matter? To many people yes it does matter whether the review is good or bad as it will help them make an informed decision on whether to buy a book a CD or chose what film to go and see etc. i dont know many who read a shit review then still buy the CD or whatever.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Mar 10, 2010 19:10:25 GMT 1, Positive or Negative reviews does it really matter? To many people yes it does matter whether the review is good or bad as it will help them make an informed decision on whether to buy a book a CD or chose what film to go and see etc. i dont know many who read a s**t review then still buy the CD or whatever.
Whats better - No reviews or 1,000 bad reviews?
Positive or Negative reviews does it really matter? To many people yes it does matter whether the review is good or bad as it will help them make an informed decision on whether to buy a book a CD or chose what film to go and see etc. i dont know many who read a s**t review then still buy the CD or whatever. Whats better - No reviews or 1,000 bad reviews?
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by bigtlt on Mar 10, 2010 19:24:52 GMT 1,
Whats better - No reviews or 1,000 bad reviews? [/quote]
Bad publicity is better than no publicity...
Whats better - No reviews or 1,000 bad reviews? [/quote] Bad publicity is better than no publicity...
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by jaslfc5 on Mar 10, 2010 20:27:37 GMT 1, ive seen the film twice now ,once on opening day with my wife the other with my son.both times there was less than ten people in the audience. it only appeals to certain people and unless you read the times or the guardian or watch the culture show then you might miss it altogether.if you like banksy's work then you will have picked up on this early on but i reckon not many will have gone because of the good reviews.
as far as the film is concerned i never really paid much attention to mbw's work before the film came out and now i come away from it feeling sorry for the guy he clearly has some form of ocd or asbergers syndrome and is using his art to get some sort of acceptance from his peers and to an extent he is succeeding.
i loved the film the whole feel of it the secretism around it ,the subsiquent conspiracy theory of banksy engineering the whole thing.2 things i will say though is shepard fairey comes across as a stummbling buffoon i saw him fall over at least twice and his wifes initials is a fairey.and invader has to have raised his appeal after this he came across very well.
what it does mean for me is ,as a banksy fan myself it just means it will be even more impossible to get hold of one of his prints at launch,but that is the only downside to what is a very enjoyable film and a good twist to the whole urban art genre.
ive seen the film twice now ,once on opening day with my wife the other with my son.both times there was less than ten people in the audience. it only appeals to certain people and unless you read the times or the guardian or watch the culture show then you might miss it altogether.if you like banksy's work then you will have picked up on this early on but i reckon not many will have gone because of the good reviews.
as far as the film is concerned i never really paid much attention to mbw's work before the film came out and now i come away from it feeling sorry for the guy he clearly has some form of ocd or asbergers syndrome and is using his art to get some sort of acceptance from his peers and to an extent he is succeeding.
i loved the film the whole feel of it the secretism around it ,the subsiquent conspiracy theory of banksy engineering the whole thing.2 things i will say though is shepard fairey comes across as a stummbling buffoon i saw him fall over at least twice and his wifes initials is a fairey.and invader has to have raised his appeal after this he came across very well.
what it does mean for me is ,as a banksy fan myself it just means it will be even more impossible to get hold of one of his prints at launch,but that is the only downside to what is a very enjoyable film and a good twist to the whole urban art genre.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by raiden on Mar 10, 2010 21:23:13 GMT 1, I think in the larger context, outside of fan boy circles, this movie will be as successful as "The Devil And Daniel Johnston" which ultimately saw Daniel Johnston's art and appreciation go up - and saw a one time spike in prices, that seem to be sliding downward as it fades from the collective consciousness.
I dont' think its a fair assessment to say draw parallels between how other artists use art assistants and how MBW does. Hirst for example uses art assistants to more or less replicate what he has designed or sketched. Banksy and others will use art assistants for technical aspects of a work that they may have less experience in working with - sculpting, metal working, etc.
MBW couldn't even create the paste up image of his face, so he had to hire a graphic artist to do it for him. Pretty much anyone on this board with photoshop experience and even an iota of artistic talent could have done it.
Other than that, his "conceptualization" is him seeing something else that is existing and then telling his hired artists to make something like it. Its extremely simplistic.
The fact is, if you have a conversation with the guy, you realize he's not very creative and very simple minded.
That's what I mean about the BEING THERE comparison.
Chance, through chance, finds himself in a situation where by making statements like "there will be growth in the spring" a gaggle of ill-informed sycophants misinterpret it as some sort of brilliance (partly because of his proximity Melvyn Douglas's character)
Similarly, Thierry, by dumb luck and even a bit of OCD, finds himself in a situation where by saying he's an artist and documentary filmmaker, got in close proximity to Banksy, and then it was misinterpreted by a slew of ill-informed fan boys into being entirely what it is not.
I think in the larger context, outside of fan boy circles, this movie will be as successful as "The Devil And Daniel Johnston" which ultimately saw Daniel Johnston's art and appreciation go up - and saw a one time spike in prices, that seem to be sliding downward as it fades from the collective consciousness.
I dont' think its a fair assessment to say draw parallels between how other artists use art assistants and how MBW does. Hirst for example uses art assistants to more or less replicate what he has designed or sketched. Banksy and others will use art assistants for technical aspects of a work that they may have less experience in working with - sculpting, metal working, etc.
MBW couldn't even create the paste up image of his face, so he had to hire a graphic artist to do it for him. Pretty much anyone on this board with photoshop experience and even an iota of artistic talent could have done it.
Other than that, his "conceptualization" is him seeing something else that is existing and then telling his hired artists to make something like it. Its extremely simplistic.
The fact is, if you have a conversation with the guy, you realize he's not very creative and very simple minded.
That's what I mean about the BEING THERE comparison.
Chance, through chance, finds himself in a situation where by making statements like "there will be growth in the spring" a gaggle of ill-informed sycophants misinterpret it as some sort of brilliance (partly because of his proximity Melvyn Douglas's character)
Similarly, Thierry, by dumb luck and even a bit of OCD, finds himself in a situation where by saying he's an artist and documentary filmmaker, got in close proximity to Banksy, and then it was misinterpreted by a slew of ill-informed fan boys into being entirely what it is not.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by PUD on Mar 11, 2010 11:26:26 GMT 1, Another thing I was thinking about the other day With the film creating a lot of interest over the coming months, will Banksy in some ways be forced to release more prints that he might have done otherwise, due to if people cant buy work by him, they might see Mr Brainwash as an alternative? I should think Brainwash will release loads of work to cash in on the media coverage
LOL Banksy will never be 'forced' to do anything he doesn't want, it wouldn't matter if Warhol raised from the dead and sold new prints, anything that Banksy brought out would still sell in a heartbeat!! He doesn't need to change who he is or what he does for others!!
Another thing I was thinking about the other day With the film creating a lot of interest over the coming months, will Banksy in some ways be forced to release more prints that he might have done otherwise, due to if people cant buy work by him, they might see Mr Brainwash as an alternative? I should think Brainwash will release loads of work to cash in on the media coverage LOL Banksy will never be 'forced' to do anything he doesn't want, it wouldn't matter if Warhol raised from the dead and sold new prints, anything that Banksy brought out would still sell in a heartbeat!! He doesn't need to change who he is or what he does for others!!
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Mar 11, 2010 13:34:22 GMT 1, Another thing I was thinking about the other day With the film creating a lot of interest over the coming months, will Banksy in some ways be forced to release more prints that he might have done otherwise, due to if people cant buy work by him, they might see Mr Brainwash as an alternative? I should think Brainwash will release loads of work to cash in on the media coverage LOL Banksy will never be 'forced' to do anything he doesn't want, it wouldn't matter if Warhol raised from the dead and sold new prints, anything that Banksy brought out would still sell in a heartbeat!! He doesn't need to change who he is or what he does for others!!
So do you think it would be good for the scene if Banksy released no new prints until say next Christmas, and Mr Brainwash released two prints per month for the next year?
Another thing I was thinking about the other day With the film creating a lot of interest over the coming months, will Banksy in some ways be forced to release more prints that he might have done otherwise, due to if people cant buy work by him, they might see Mr Brainwash as an alternative? I should think Brainwash will release loads of work to cash in on the media coverage LOL Banksy will never be 'forced' to do anything he doesn't want, it wouldn't matter if Warhol raised from the dead and sold new prints, anything that Banksy brought out would still sell in a heartbeat!! He doesn't need to change who he is or what he does for others!! So do you think it would be good for the scene if Banksy released no new prints until say next Christmas, and Mr Brainwash released two prints per month for the next year?
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by stickitup on Mar 11, 2010 14:54:29 GMT 1, never really paid any attention to MBW before but he is verging on being a genius, the film didnt exactly paint him in a great light but it did paint him in a successful light making him something people have to have, wholely on the back of banksy and the film. I ended up liking the guy and whilst its not correct to say you want one of his pieces of work they do have the charm of an excentric cutting and pasting a series of half baked ideas to make something interesting, even if its not great art. SF looked to get a ride on this banksy train, and personally i dont find his work particularly inspiring and having seen the film my opinion of him is the same.
never really paid any attention to MBW before but he is verging on being a genius, the film didnt exactly paint him in a great light but it did paint him in a successful light making him something people have to have, wholely on the back of banksy and the film. I ended up liking the guy and whilst its not correct to say you want one of his pieces of work they do have the charm of an excentric cutting and pasting a series of half baked ideas to make something interesting, even if its not great art. SF looked to get a ride on this banksy train, and personally i dont find his work particularly inspiring and having seen the film my opinion of him is the same.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by nex on Mar 11, 2010 14:59:04 GMT 1, 'A genius (plural genii or geniuses,[1] adjective ingenious) is a person, a body of work, or a singular achievement of surpassing excellence. More than just originality, creativity, or intelligence, genius is associated with achievement of insight which has transformational power. A work of genius fundamentally alters the expectations of its audience. Genius may be generalized, or be particular to a discrete field such as sports, statesmanship, science, or art.
Although difficult to quantify, genius is to a level of aptitude, capability, or achievement which exceeds even that of most other exceptional contemporaries in the same field. The normal distribution suggests that the term might be applied to phenomena ranked in the top 0.1%, i.e. three standard deviations or greater, among peers. In psychology, the inventor of the first IQ tests, Alfred Binet, applied the term to the top 0.1% of those tested.[2][3] This usage of the term is closely related to the general concept of intelligence.'
thanks to the folks at wikipedia
'A genius (plural genii or geniuses,[1] adjective ingenious) is a person, a body of work, or a singular achievement of surpassing excellence. More than just originality, creativity, or intelligence, genius is associated with achievement of insight which has transformational power. A work of genius fundamentally alters the expectations of its audience. Genius may be generalized, or be particular to a discrete field such as sports, statesmanship, science, or art.
Although difficult to quantify, genius is to a level of aptitude, capability, or achievement which exceeds even that of most other exceptional contemporaries in the same field. The normal distribution suggests that the term might be applied to phenomena ranked in the top 0.1%, i.e. three standard deviations or greater, among peers. In psychology, the inventor of the first IQ tests, Alfred Binet, applied the term to the top 0.1% of those tested.[2][3] This usage of the term is closely related to the general concept of intelligence.'
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by PUD on Mar 12, 2010 13:07:20 GMT 1, LOL Banksy will never be 'forced' to do anything he doesn't want, it wouldn't matter if Warhol raised from the dead and sold new prints, anything that Banksy brought out would still sell in a heartbeat!! He doesn't need to change who he is or what he does for others!! So do you think it would be good for the scene if Banksy released no new prints until say next Christmas, and Mr Brainwash released two prints per month for the next year?
If MBW releases 2 prints a month he will soon burn out (he will burn out anyway) I think if Banksy released 2 prints a month they would sell but it wouldn't really do him any favors in the long run, it would just water down the portfolio and the day a Banksy print is worth less than the issue price is the day the whole 'Banksy' effect comes tumbling down.
MBW can release as many prints as he wants, it won't change my opinion about his so called 'art' I wont be joining the hype bandwagon and buying crap work just to be part of the crowd, like many others on here I was buying Banksy work long before he became a household name - I have never bought to make money and I aint starting now.
MBW's 'art' won't 'hurt the scene' in the long run, but the film could!!!!!
LOL Banksy will never be 'forced' to do anything he doesn't want, it wouldn't matter if Warhol raised from the dead and sold new prints, anything that Banksy brought out would still sell in a heartbeat!! He doesn't need to change who he is or what he does for others!! So do you think it would be good for the scene if Banksy released no new prints until say next Christmas, and Mr Brainwash released two prints per month for the next year? If MBW releases 2 prints a month he will soon burn out (he will burn out anyway) I think if Banksy released 2 prints a month they would sell but it wouldn't really do him any favors in the long run, it would just water down the portfolio and the day a Banksy print is worth less than the issue price is the day the whole 'Banksy' effect comes tumbling down. MBW can release as many prints as he wants, it won't change my opinion about his so called 'art' I wont be joining the hype bandwagon and buying crap work just to be part of the crowd, like many others on here I was buying Banksy work long before he became a household name - I have never bought to make money and I aint starting now. MBW's 'art' won't 'hurt the scene' in the long run, but the film could!!!!!
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Mar 12, 2010 13:18:52 GMT 1, MBW's 'art' won't 'hurt the scene' in the long run, but the film could!!!!!
Really? I think MBW can damage the scene if his work is some peoples first look at this area of the art world As I have said before, I think the film is a very risky move you could set out to make a film to tell a fun story about this crazy bloke called Mr Brainwash ;D but its could be viewed differently by people from other backgrounds and thats when it could backfire on the whole scene.
MBW's 'art' won't 'hurt the scene' in the long run, but the film could!!!!! Really? I think MBW can damage the scene if his work is some peoples first look at this area of the art world As I have said before, I think the film is a very risky move you could set out to make a film to tell a fun story about this crazy bloke called Mr Brainwash ;D but its could be viewed differently by people from other backgrounds and thats when it could backfire on the whole scene.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by PUD on Mar 12, 2010 13:31:45 GMT 1, MBW's 'art' won't 'hurt the scene' in the long run, but the film could!!!!! Really? I think MBW can damage the scene if his work is some peoples first look at this area of the art world As I have said before, I think the film is a very risky move you could set out to make a film to tell a fun story about this crazy bloke called Mr Brainwash ;D but its could be viewed differently by people from other backgrounds and thats when it could backfire on the whole scene.
Agreed, as soon as people realize that this movie takes the mickey out of the very people watching/buying 'art' then it could all come crashing down. That probably won't happen though as people are too thick to see the wood from the trees.
What won't ever change is the work on the street, it will always be there in some form or another and with all due respect that is why this forum exists, admittedly it has grown since there has been money to make but the true street art admirer will still be here once the passengers have got off!!
MBW's 'art' won't 'hurt the scene' in the long run, but the film could!!!!! Really? I think MBW can damage the scene if his work is some peoples first look at this area of the art world As I have said before, I think the film is a very risky move you could set out to make a film to tell a fun story about this crazy bloke called Mr Brainwash ;D but its could be viewed differently by people from other backgrounds and thats when it could backfire on the whole scene. Agreed, as soon as people realize that this movie takes the mickey out of the very people watching/buying 'art' then it could all come crashing down. That probably won't happen though as people are too thick to see the wood from the trees. What won't ever change is the work on the street, it will always be there in some form or another and with all due respect that is why this forum exists, admittedly it has grown since there has been money to make but the true street art admirer will still be here once the passengers have got off!!
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Mar 13, 2010 12:17:28 GMT 1, What other Artists do you think are gonna follow Banksy's Film with their own creation?
What other Artists do you think are gonna follow Banksy's Film with their own creation?
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by wilfsboy on Mar 13, 2010 13:11:15 GMT 1, What other Artists do you think are gonna follow Banksy's Film with their own creation?
It would be great to see kaws or dface on the big screen....
What other Artists do you think are gonna follow Banksy's Film with their own creation? It would be great to see kaws or dface on the big screen....
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Mar 13, 2010 13:15:11 GMT 1, What other Artists do you think are gonna follow Banksy's Film with their own creation? It would be great to see kaws or dface on the big screen....
Yeah, I think a film with a big group of Artists works well, coz you get a bit of something for everyone I think the Banksy Film could have done with a bit more time on the streets with other Artists just to give it a bit more background.
What other Artists do you think are gonna follow Banksy's Film with their own creation? It would be great to see kaws or dface on the big screen.... Yeah, I think a film with a big group of Artists works well, coz you get a bit of something for everyone I think the Banksy Film could have done with a bit more time on the streets with other Artists just to give it a bit more background.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Guest on Mar 13, 2010 13:38:21 GMT 1, budding director eh silk?
budding director eh silk?
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by rowan on Mar 13, 2010 13:51:01 GMT 1, Its a pity Mr Brainwash - Life Remote Control never surfaced!
From what I've read, it wouldn't have be a patch on the professionalism of 'Exit' but more like watching a series of clips on you tube one after another...
I guess this would have offered up a more random and content rich movie... A bit more of everything but a whole lot of nothing!
But dont get me wrong! Im very happy with 'Exit'.. when i finally get to see it, that is.!
Its a pity Mr Brainwash - Life Remote Control never surfaced! From what I've read, it wouldn't have be a patch on the professionalism of ' Exit' but more like watching a series of clips on you tube one after another... I guess this would have offered up a more random and content rich movie... A bit more of everything but a whole lot of nothing! But dont get me wrong! Im very happy with ' Exit'.. when i finally get to see it, that is.!
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by wilfsboy on Mar 13, 2010 13:58:56 GMT 1, It would be great to see kaws or dface on the big screen.... Yeah, I think a film with a big group of Artists works well, coz you get a bit of something for everyone I think the Banksy Film could have done with a bit more time on the streets with other Artists just to give it a bit more background.
I think there is more to come....
It would be great to see kaws or dface on the big screen.... Yeah, I think a film with a big group of Artists works well, coz you get a bit of something for everyone I think the Banksy Film could have done with a bit more time on the streets with other Artists just to give it a bit more background. I think there is more to come....
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by speebe on Mar 13, 2010 16:07:57 GMT 1, Its a pity Mr Brainwash - Life Remote Control never surfaced! From what I've read, it wouldn't have be a patch on the professionalism of ' Exit' but more like watching a series of clips on you tube one after another... I guess this would have offered up a more random and content rich movie... A bit more of everything but a whole lot of nothing! But dont get me wrong! Im very happy with ' Exit'.. when i finally get to see it, that is.!
As Banksy owns the film/tapes he should add Thierry's film as a bonus feature on its DVD/Blu-ray release.
Its a pity Mr Brainwash - Life Remote Control never surfaced! From what I've read, it wouldn't have be a patch on the professionalism of ' Exit' but more like watching a series of clips on you tube one after another... I guess this would have offered up a more random and content rich movie... A bit more of everything but a whole lot of nothing! But dont get me wrong! Im very happy with ' Exit'.. when i finally get to see it, that is.! As Banksy owns the film/tapes he should add Thierry's film as a bonus feature on its DVD/Blu-ray release.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Heavyconsumer on Mar 13, 2010 19:08:08 GMT 1, Silky, I'm curious what "scene" it is that you're talking about above. You keep mentioning "the scene," but MBW is no street artist and only in the loosest sense can he be considered any type of artist at all imo, as he's never produced much artwork to speak of that I'm aware of. How can he directly effect all the other artists we've discussed in the forum for years? I have no idea how he could have any impact at all to be honest. I'm a bit surprised you seem to consider him so important. Imo we're well out of any subversive street culture and into the realm of popular culture when we talk about Banksy these days. It's an obvious result of his growing fame and popularity, in an age where channels of communication are so wide open and varied.
As for Banksy being the Warhol of this generation, I see him as being potentially FAR more significant in the long-term. Banksy may just have exposed the artworld and the masses to one another in ways that could never before have been imaginable. And the historical timing of this could prove to have further reaching effects than any of us can realise at this stage. Has there ever been a moment in time where so many creative people have had the freedom to practise their art as do today? I don't think so and I believe it's due to the emergence of majority middle classes who can support their children in ways only considered by the rich in previous generations? What effects would that wave of talent have had on the traditional art market, even without the wake-up call from Mr B, in the context of that art market, that in modern day society, people buy whatever crap they're told to? And with Banksy ramming his message ever further down our throats and the art market having to deal with a neverendingly increasing supply of quality work, where is this whole thing heading? I think it's a fascinating social situation.
I believe MBW is insignificant, beyond his function as a walking, talking comment on society, created and given to us by one of the most genius artistic minds of our time. He's just a bill-board for Banksy and the "work" he sells has little or no significance imo. His existence and relative success is the message. I think one look at the art only serves to reinforce that the art itself is not the product but it's the "artist" who in fact is. If collectors of MBW's work are comfortable with that, I don't see why they would/should stop buying necessarily or why demand will stop, but if they choose instead to believe that they are actually buying or investing in art per say, they are simply perpetuating the message and themselves becoming elements of the art in question imo. The brilliance of the whole concept is stunning, but little/none of the credit should go to MBW imo. Has any artist ever involved so many individuals in the performance of their art as Banksy is with this project?
Just to be clear, I'm not making predictions about or knocking the investment value of MBW's work and don't care either way what happens to it. I think the whole thing's interesting, especially how many people seem to have bought into something which I see as being a piece of conceptual art too large in scale for any of us to perceive until here, 2/3 years (or however long it's been) down the road. Maybe I'm talking out of my backside and Banksy didn't intend any of the things I give him credit for. I don't know. But he's certainly responsible for my belief that he's capable of all this. I've been blown away by his work over the past few years and now I'd not put anything anything past him.
Silky, I'm curious what "scene" it is that you're talking about above. You keep mentioning "the scene," but MBW is no street artist and only in the loosest sense can he be considered any type of artist at all imo, as he's never produced much artwork to speak of that I'm aware of. How can he directly effect all the other artists we've discussed in the forum for years? I have no idea how he could have any impact at all to be honest. I'm a bit surprised you seem to consider him so important. Imo we're well out of any subversive street culture and into the realm of popular culture when we talk about Banksy these days. It's an obvious result of his growing fame and popularity, in an age where channels of communication are so wide open and varied.
As for Banksy being the Warhol of this generation, I see him as being potentially FAR more significant in the long-term. Banksy may just have exposed the artworld and the masses to one another in ways that could never before have been imaginable. And the historical timing of this could prove to have further reaching effects than any of us can realise at this stage. Has there ever been a moment in time where so many creative people have had the freedom to practise their art as do today? I don't think so and I believe it's due to the emergence of majority middle classes who can support their children in ways only considered by the rich in previous generations? What effects would that wave of talent have had on the traditional art market, even without the wake-up call from Mr B, in the context of that art market, that in modern day society, people buy whatever crap they're told to? And with Banksy ramming his message ever further down our throats and the art market having to deal with a neverendingly increasing supply of quality work, where is this whole thing heading? I think it's a fascinating social situation.
I believe MBW is insignificant, beyond his function as a walking, talking comment on society, created and given to us by one of the most genius artistic minds of our time. He's just a bill-board for Banksy and the "work" he sells has little or no significance imo. His existence and relative success is the message. I think one look at the art only serves to reinforce that the art itself is not the product but it's the "artist" who in fact is. If collectors of MBW's work are comfortable with that, I don't see why they would/should stop buying necessarily or why demand will stop, but if they choose instead to believe that they are actually buying or investing in art per say, they are simply perpetuating the message and themselves becoming elements of the art in question imo. The brilliance of the whole concept is stunning, but little/none of the credit should go to MBW imo. Has any artist ever involved so many individuals in the performance of their art as Banksy is with this project?
Just to be clear, I'm not making predictions about or knocking the investment value of MBW's work and don't care either way what happens to it. I think the whole thing's interesting, especially how many people seem to have bought into something which I see as being a piece of conceptual art too large in scale for any of us to perceive until here, 2/3 years (or however long it's been) down the road. Maybe I'm talking out of my backside and Banksy didn't intend any of the things I give him credit for. I don't know. But he's certainly responsible for my belief that he's capable of all this. I've been blown away by his work over the past few years and now I'd not put anything anything past him.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Mar 13, 2010 19:59:52 GMT 1, I know what your saying, but I think how we here all see things might be very different to ya average bloke off the street that watches the film, and its their first glimpse of Street/Graffiti/Urban Art
I know what your saying, but I think how we here all see things might be very different to ya average bloke off the street that watches the film, and its their first glimpse of Street/Graffiti/Urban Art
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Heavyconsumer on Mar 13, 2010 20:45:44 GMT 1, I know what your saying, but I think how we here all see things might be very different to ya average bloke off the street that watches the film, and its their first glimpse of Street/Graffiti/Urban Art
I see your point, although maybe you overestimate the number of people likely to go and watch this movie with no prior interest in art. I honestly don't think the movie will prove to hold that much appeal to mainstream moviegoing peeps. And in box-office terms I'm very interested to see how it performs compared to other types of films. How much of ther general public will get off their backsides to watch a movie about artists they know nothing about? I should think that art related films in general are probably considered quite niche. No?
I know what your saying, but I think how we here all see things might be very different to ya average bloke off the street that watches the film, and its their first glimpse of Street/Graffiti/Urban Art I see your point, although maybe you overestimate the number of people likely to go and watch this movie with no prior interest in art. I honestly don't think the movie will prove to hold that much appeal to mainstream moviegoing peeps. And in box-office terms I'm very interested to see how it performs compared to other types of films. How much of ther general public will get off their backsides to watch a movie about artists they know nothing about? I should think that art related films in general are probably considered quite niche. No?
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by wilfsboy on Mar 13, 2010 20:49:02 GMT 1, I know what your saying, but I think how we here all see things might be very different to ya average bloke off the street that watches the film, and its their first glimpse of Street/Graffiti/Urban Art I see your point, although maybe you overestimate the number of people likely to go and watch this movie with no prior interest in art. I honestly don't think the movie will prove to hold that much appeal to mainstream moviegoing peeps. And in box-office terms I'm very interested to see how it performs compared to other types of films. How much of ther general public will get off their backsides to watch a movie about artists they know nothing about? I should think that art related films in general are probably considered quite niche. No?
I went to see it in cardiff on the opening night at 11pm and my mate and I were the only 2 there !
I know what your saying, but I think how we here all see things might be very different to ya average bloke off the street that watches the film, and its their first glimpse of Street/Graffiti/Urban Art I see your point, although maybe you overestimate the number of people likely to go and watch this movie with no prior interest in art. I honestly don't think the movie will prove to hold that much appeal to mainstream moviegoing peeps. And in box-office terms I'm very interested to see how it performs compared to other types of films. How much of ther general public will get off their backsides to watch a movie about artists they know nothing about? I should think that art related films in general are probably considered quite niche. No? I went to see it in cardiff on the opening night at 11pm and my mate and I were the only 2 there !
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by becksaboo on Mar 13, 2010 23:32:56 GMT 1, I've seen the film twice with people who are only vaguely aware of Banksy and they all loved it. One said it was the best documentary he'd ever seen.
Although they're "artists" I think in a way for people who aren't into "the scene" it's almost irrelevant as it's more about the two characters.
If you take it at face value, which is what most people who weren't previous banksy fans, then it's just a really sweet, funny film.
We saw it in Bristol, which granted is home territory, but each screening was practically sold out.
Here's a link to the first week's takings though:
www.ukfilmcouncil.org.uk/article/16559/UK-Box-Office-5---7-March-2010
If you look at site average, then it came third overall which is pretty good going considering it was Oscar time.
I've seen the film twice with people who are only vaguely aware of Banksy and they all loved it. One said it was the best documentary he'd ever seen. Although they're "artists" I think in a way for people who aren't into "the scene" it's almost irrelevant as it's more about the two characters. If you take it at face value, which is what most people who weren't previous banksy fans, then it's just a really sweet, funny film. We saw it in Bristol, which granted is home territory, but each screening was practically sold out. Here's a link to the first week's takings though: www.ukfilmcouncil.org.uk/article/16559/UK-Box-Office-5---7-March-2010If you look at site average, then it came third overall which is pretty good going considering it was Oscar time.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Mar 14, 2010 0:25:14 GMT 1, I guess the thing with a film like this is that its always gonna be there When its out on DVD its gonna become a great thing to look back on in say ten years time. I would say the Cans Festival boosted the scene while it was on and for a bit of time after, but with a film its gonna live forever! ;D Bit like Banksy saying in the film about needing somebody who knew how to use a camera to help record what they were doing.
I guess the thing with a film like this is that its always gonna be there When its out on DVD its gonna become a great thing to look back on in say ten years time. I would say the Cans Festival boosted the scene while it was on and for a bit of time after, but with a film its gonna live forever! ;D Bit like Banksy saying in the film about needing somebody who knew how to use a camera to help record what they were doing.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by walshy on Apr 12, 2010 15:07:15 GMT 1, This is a strange thread
This is a strange thread
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by froz on May 5, 2010 7:15:50 GMT 1, I saw the movie with a group of friends whom none of them really knew about banksy's work. I out of all of them and probably out of the whole sell out crowd except for maybe a few others owned an actual banksy.
Who showed up to the show seemed like a bunch of hipsters and art students that were all about trend. There were some designers and I am sure art lovers and artists but majority was a younger crowd (early college years).
I think truly this movie may inspire more people out there to create street art, in a sense for something for people to look at and actually be intrigued by it. I see all around wild style traditional graffiti and i get bored with it. Its neat, but it does not make me think other than trying to figure out what the hell it says.
As for banksy gaining popularity, i do not doubt it. However for all of you out there that thinks banksy is trying to cash in, if you remember in the movie, he said it was never about the money, its always been about the image and the art. If you read some of the other interviews he's had, he keeps saying he isn't about the money and he does not make as much as you all may think he does.
I personally think banksy if he truly wants his hype to die down and be able to allow everyone to enjoy his art is get rid of the editions with signatures...make unsigned open editions so everyone can have his art. He has made his mark, maybe its time to say screw the capitalism and the elitists and make it so there is no value in his releases anymore. Otherwise I have a feeling he may get sick of the money and the greed and may jump ship and go back to street art only and you will only see his work on the walls as you walk by.
Just a thought. I really enjoy his images and it is truly sad that it is almost impossible to grab his art for less than 1000 dollars US when only a couple years ago it was only a few hundred dollars. Most artists take years for their work to go up in value as much as banksy's has. Let the hype go and quit trying to bank on his work to make your quick cash, and enjoy the clever imagery he creates.
As for MBW, I will never purchase a print from him unless it comes down to obey costs (35 USD a print) because I do not believe supposed "artists" should make so much for photoshoped or illustrator work i could recreate myself and they aren't even doing it themselves!
Just a thought, I am sure alot of people wont like what i have to say, well in all honesty, i don't care. This is for all of you who care about banksys "value" in the art market...Keep dreaming that the next banksy you score will make you gain immediate riches as you are the problem.
Worry more about the image than the money it may bring you.
BTW, the only print i own by banksy is Morons, because the Message is so true "I can't Believe you MORONS buy this shit" for so much when some day the bottom of the street art market will fall out and you just spent all that money for a piece of paper with some ink and a signature on it.
I saw the movie with a group of friends whom none of them really knew about banksy's work. I out of all of them and probably out of the whole sell out crowd except for maybe a few others owned an actual banksy.
Who showed up to the show seemed like a bunch of hipsters and art students that were all about trend. There were some designers and I am sure art lovers and artists but majority was a younger crowd (early college years).
I think truly this movie may inspire more people out there to create street art, in a sense for something for people to look at and actually be intrigued by it. I see all around wild style traditional graffiti and i get bored with it. Its neat, but it does not make me think other than trying to figure out what the hell it says.
As for banksy gaining popularity, i do not doubt it. However for all of you out there that thinks banksy is trying to cash in, if you remember in the movie, he said it was never about the money, its always been about the image and the art. If you read some of the other interviews he's had, he keeps saying he isn't about the money and he does not make as much as you all may think he does.
I personally think banksy if he truly wants his hype to die down and be able to allow everyone to enjoy his art is get rid of the editions with signatures...make unsigned open editions so everyone can have his art. He has made his mark, maybe its time to say screw the capitalism and the elitists and make it so there is no value in his releases anymore. Otherwise I have a feeling he may get sick of the money and the greed and may jump ship and go back to street art only and you will only see his work on the walls as you walk by.
Just a thought. I really enjoy his images and it is truly sad that it is almost impossible to grab his art for less than 1000 dollars US when only a couple years ago it was only a few hundred dollars. Most artists take years for their work to go up in value as much as banksy's has. Let the hype go and quit trying to bank on his work to make your quick cash, and enjoy the clever imagery he creates.
As for MBW, I will never purchase a print from him unless it comes down to obey costs (35 USD a print) because I do not believe supposed "artists" should make so much for photoshoped or illustrator work i could recreate myself and they aren't even doing it themselves!
Just a thought, I am sure alot of people wont like what i have to say, well in all honesty, i don't care. This is for all of you who care about banksys "value" in the art market...Keep dreaming that the next banksy you score will make you gain immediate riches as you are the problem.
Worry more about the image than the money it may bring you.
BTW, the only print i own by banksy is Morons, because the Message is so true "I can't Believe you MORONS buy this shit" for so much when some day the bottom of the street art market will fall out and you just spent all that money for a piece of paper with some ink and a signature on it.
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