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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Feb 26, 2010 18:23:17 GMT 1, Lots of talk in the past of "The Banksy Effect" so what effect do you think the film will have on the Street/Urban Art scene?
The film is surely going to open the eye of millions to this form of art, and maybe help to get Graffiti excepted even more as a true art form.
Could this film just be the start, and other Artists will do similar?
Lots of talk in the past of "The Banksy Effect" so what effect do you think the film will have on the Street/Urban Art scene?
The film is surely going to open the eye of millions to this form of art, and maybe help to get Graffiti excepted even more as a true art form.
Could this film just be the start, and other Artists will do similar?
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by bullet on Feb 26, 2010 18:25:44 GMT 1, might piss a few people off on here who believe banksy is still underground...
might piss a few people off on here who believe banksy is still underground...
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Feb 26, 2010 18:27:28 GMT 1, might piss a few people off on here who believe banksy is still underground...
Haaa, Yeah! still a few people around who need to catch up a bit
might piss a few people off on here who believe banksy is still underground... Haaa, Yeah! still a few people around who need to catch up a bit
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Feb 26, 2010 18:29:31 GMT 1, "The Banksy Effect" CNN news report from a few years back -
"The Banksy Effect" CNN news report from a few years back -
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Sliding on the Walls on Feb 26, 2010 18:41:46 GMT 1, Quite often I'll find out about a new band, get really excited about them, listen to their demos, follow them on myspace/twitter, go to see them play - then the radio will get a hold of them and play their tracks to death. Eventuall I wont be able to move without hearing or reading about them in one way or another and I won't like them as much as I once did, in fact over time i'll probably begin to hate them when I realise they've become bigger than they were ever meant to be, and i'm standing there in that elevator listening to a bossa-nova version of their song.
Perhaps this is human nature, whether it be a band, a film, an artist, a building, anything... the circle of Zeitgeist...
unpopular becomes popular, which becomes cliche'd, which becomes unpopular, which becomes cult or retro which then becomes popular again. All one big circle
Quite often I'll find out about a new band, get really excited about them, listen to their demos, follow them on myspace/twitter, go to see them play - then the radio will get a hold of them and play their tracks to death. Eventuall I wont be able to move without hearing or reading about them in one way or another and I won't like them as much as I once did, in fact over time i'll probably begin to hate them when I realise they've become bigger than they were ever meant to be, and i'm standing there in that elevator listening to a bossa-nova version of their song.
Perhaps this is human nature, whether it be a band, a film, an artist, a building, anything... the circle of Zeitgeist...
unpopular becomes popular, which becomes cliche'd, which becomes unpopular, which becomes cult or retro which then becomes popular again. All one big circle
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Feb 26, 2010 18:42:17 GMT 1, I could imagine gallery shows in the weeks after the film release could do well
I could imagine gallery shows in the weeks after the film release could do well
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by bullet on Feb 26, 2010 18:48:08 GMT 1, might piss a few people off on here who believe banksy is still underground...
or be bitter at the fact they did not wait to sell their stuff until now...
might piss a few people off on here who believe banksy is still underground... or be bitter at the fact they did not wait to sell their stuff until now...
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by rowan on Feb 26, 2010 19:56:43 GMT 1, I think there are mainly two opinions on Banksy! One adopted by most people on here who see his work and actions for what they are () and the other 'spectators' who know the name and know that he's an unknown figure who does shocking and entertaining things and just enjoy the entertainment and majesty of it all...
Those of us on here will watch and analyse the film and i think those with a vague interest will watch, enjoy and go back to doing what the do...
Hopefully along the way a few wayward souls will move to the dark site...
I think there are mainly two opinions on Banksy! One adopted by most people on here who see his work and actions for what they are ( ) and the other 'spectators' who know the name and know that he's an unknown figure who does shocking and entertaining things and just enjoy the entertainment and majesty of it all... Those of us on here will watch and analyse the film and i think those with a vague interest will watch, enjoy and go back to doing what the do... Hopefully along the way a few wayward souls will move to the dark site...
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Feb 27, 2010 8:28:31 GMT 1, I guess the film might give people a much clearer view on how Banksy really thinks
I guess the film might give people a much clearer view on how Banksy really thinks
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by scandi on Feb 27, 2010 9:44:38 GMT 1, Or a clearer view on how he wants people to think he thinks. I (almost) confused myself there.
Or a clearer view on how he wants people to think he thinks. I (almost) confused myself there.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by walshy on Feb 27, 2010 12:10:01 GMT 1, I guess the film might give people a much clearer view on how Banksy really thinks
You will be supprised just how little of the film features Banksy.
I guess the film might give people a much clearer view on how Banksy really thinks You will be supprised just how little of the film features Banksy.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Mar 8, 2010 17:43:50 GMT 1, Now more of us have seen the film, and we have seen a bit of the media coverage, what do you think the outcome is?
Just thinking about Banksy, do you think the release of the film has been a good move?
Now more of us have seen the film, and we have seen a bit of the media coverage, what do you think the outcome is?
Just thinking about Banksy, do you think the release of the film has been a good move?
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by mattgold on Mar 8, 2010 17:53:48 GMT 1, Might not be the proper topic to ask this - but is there any talk of a US release (or might we have to wait for DVD?).
Might not be the proper topic to ask this - but is there any talk of a US release (or might we have to wait for DVD?).
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Fragile on Mar 8, 2010 18:12:30 GMT 1, Might not be the proper topic to ask this - but is there any talk of a US release (or might we have to wait for DVD?).
I know that at Sundance they got a distributor for North America, so it should be realeased soon.
Might not be the proper topic to ask this - but is there any talk of a US release (or might we have to wait for DVD?). I know that at Sundance they got a distributor for North America, so it should be realeased soon.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by PUD on Mar 8, 2010 18:58:36 GMT 1, I beleive that anyone watching this film who had no real insight or interest in street art in the past will look upon those who buy it as total and utter Mugs!
Only time will reveal why Banksy released this film, but I honestly think there is a hidden agenda.
One thing for sure, Banksy is not revelling in his appreciative fans, more like he is taking the piss out of them ....... which ultimately is ok cuz he is Banksy after all!!
I beleive that anyone watching this film who had no real insight or interest in street art in the past will look upon those who buy it as total and utter Mugs!
Only time will reveal why Banksy released this film, but I honestly think there is a hidden agenda.
One thing for sure, Banksy is not revelling in his appreciative fans, more like he is taking the piss out of them ....... which ultimately is ok cuz he is Banksy after all!!
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by muti on Mar 8, 2010 19:05:06 GMT 1, Hey Pud, my sentiments exactly, I enjoyed the film a lot but I do get the feeling this is the first step in a process that only Mr B knows about and that something 'bigger' is going to happen down the line...god, I am confusing myself.
Hey Pud, my sentiments exactly, I enjoyed the film a lot but I do get the feeling this is the first step in a process that only Mr B knows about and that something 'bigger' is going to happen down the line...god, I am confusing myself.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by PUD on Mar 8, 2010 19:17:43 GMT 1, Banksy is a genious, his art is not amazing by any standard but the placing of it and the satire used are mindblowingly good!
He pulls off clever stunts with ease, stuff that anyone of us could have thought about doing but never did!
Mr Brainwash is just another product of Banksy's imagination, he has decided to take someone with no ability whatsoever and prove how easy it is to take money from rich individuals with no mind of their own. He has succeeded and made a movie about it, actually showing all those that have bought work just how stupid they are, but even though the evidence is placed before them they still cant see it!!
Would this stop me buying a Banksy that I liked, no, never. Would I buy a Mr Brainwash piece, no i soddin well wouldn't! I am happy to laugh with or at you Banksy but I won't be part of your joke!!
Banksy is a genious, his art is not amazing by any standard but the placing of it and the satire used are mindblowingly good!
He pulls off clever stunts with ease, stuff that anyone of us could have thought about doing but never did!
Mr Brainwash is just another product of Banksy's imagination, he has decided to take someone with no ability whatsoever and prove how easy it is to take money from rich individuals with no mind of their own. He has succeeded and made a movie about it, actually showing all those that have bought work just how stupid they are, but even though the evidence is placed before them they still cant see it!!
Would this stop me buying a Banksy that I liked, no, never. Would I buy a Mr Brainwash piece, no i soddin well wouldn't! I am happy to laugh with or at you Banksy but I won't be part of your joke!!
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by kennas on Mar 8, 2010 19:22:07 GMT 1, Banksy is a genious, his art is not amazing by any standard but the placing of it and the satire used are mindblowingly good! He pulls off clever stunts with ease, stuff that anyone of us could have thought about doing but never did! Mr Brainwash is just another product of Banksy's imagination, he has decided to take someone with no ability whatsoever and prove how easy it is to take money from rich individuals with no mind of their own. He has succeeded and made a movie about it, actually showing all those that have bought work just how stupid they are, but even though the evidence is placed before them they still cant see it!! Would this stop me buying a Banksy that I liked, no, never. Would I buy a Mr Brainwash piece, no i soddin well wouldn't! I am happy to laugh with or at you Banksy but I won't be part of your joke!!
Superb post. My sentiments exactly.
Banksy is a genious, his art is not amazing by any standard but the placing of it and the satire used are mindblowingly good! He pulls off clever stunts with ease, stuff that anyone of us could have thought about doing but never did! Mr Brainwash is just another product of Banksy's imagination, he has decided to take someone with no ability whatsoever and prove how easy it is to take money from rich individuals with no mind of their own. He has succeeded and made a movie about it, actually showing all those that have bought work just how stupid they are, but even though the evidence is placed before them they still cant see it!! Would this stop me buying a Banksy that I liked, no, never. Would I buy a Mr Brainwash piece, no i soddin well wouldn't! I am happy to laugh with or at you Banksy but I won't be part of your joke!! Superb post. My sentiments exactly.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by boaty on Mar 8, 2010 19:39:23 GMT 1, Unfortunately it's not just the rich who are buying MBWs work - those folks queued up on opening day were hardly rich.
In fact, MBW actually came out to the line and rallied the crowd and said "today I give to you my fans free art that's worth thousands of dollars so you can sell it - I take from the rich and I give to you". He actually sounded like a french robin hood.
Banksy is a genious, his art is not amazing by any standard but the placing of it and the satire used are mindblowingly good! He pulls off clever stunts with ease, stuff that anyone of us could have thought about doing but never did! Mr Brainwash is just another product of Banksy's imagination, he has decided to take someone with no ability whatsoever and prove how easy it is to take money from rich individuals with no mind of their own. He has succeeded and made a movie about it, actually showing all those that have bought work just how stupid they are, but even though the evidence is placed before them they still cant see it!! Would this stop me buying a Banksy that I liked, no, never. Would I buy a Mr Brainwash piece, no i soddin well wouldn't! I am happy to laugh with or at you Banksy but I won't be part of your joke!!
Unfortunately it's not just the rich who are buying MBWs work - those folks queued up on opening day were hardly rich. In fact, MBW actually came out to the line and rallied the crowd and said "today I give to you my fans free art that's worth thousands of dollars so you can sell it - I take from the rich and I give to you". He actually sounded like a french robin hood. Banksy is a genious, his art is not amazing by any standard but the placing of it and the satire used are mindblowingly good! He pulls off clever stunts with ease, stuff that anyone of us could have thought about doing but never did! Mr Brainwash is just another product of Banksy's imagination, he has decided to take someone with no ability whatsoever and prove how easy it is to take money from rich individuals with no mind of their own. He has succeeded and made a movie about it, actually showing all those that have bought work just how stupid they are, but even though the evidence is placed before them they still cant see it!! Would this stop me buying a Banksy that I liked, no, never. Would I buy a Mr Brainwash piece, no i soddin well wouldn't! I am happy to laugh with or at you Banksy but I won't be part of your joke!!
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by nex on Mar 8, 2010 19:44:09 GMT 1, the banksy film effect is clearly that of making jboy pipe up incessantly
the banksy film effect is clearly that of making jboy pipe up incessantly
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by volvic on Mar 9, 2010 2:34:11 GMT 1, PUD you have summed up what i think a lot of people have been trying to make there posts about, what a clear and correct statement i could not agree more after seeing the movie itself.
Banksy would not make a film or be involved in a film about a talentless nut job for no good reason.... time will tell!
PUD you have summed up what i think a lot of people have been trying to make there posts about, what a clear and correct statement i could not agree more after seeing the movie itself. Banksy would not make a film or be involved in a film about a talentless nut job for no good reason.... time will tell!
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by hlarmy on Mar 9, 2010 3:33:12 GMT 1, I've yet to see the film but what is clear is that Banksy has an amazing ability to produce the unexpected. In doing so, whether it is desired or not, he is attracting a huge amount of PR, raising his profile with the masses and building the brand that is Banksy. Where I've had my doubts in the past, I am certain (well, almost!) that Banksy will become the Warhol of this generation, and I look forward to watching what he does in the future...
I've yet to see the film but what is clear is that Banksy has an amazing ability to produce the unexpected. In doing so, whether it is desired or not, he is attracting a huge amount of PR, raising his profile with the masses and building the brand that is Banksy. Where I've had my doubts in the past, I am certain (well, almost!) that Banksy will become the Warhol of this generation, and I look forward to watching what he does in the future...
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by skitch on Mar 9, 2010 4:08:00 GMT 1, Silky, How many new accounts are being activated post Banksy Film??
Silky, How many new accounts are being activated post Banksy Film??
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by raiden on Mar 10, 2010 11:05:00 GMT 1, Mr Brainwash is just another product of Banksy's imagination, he has decided to take someone with no ability whatsoever and prove how easy it is to take money from rich individuals with no mind of their own. He has succeeded and made a movie about it, actually showing all those that have bought work just how stupid they are, but even though the evidence is placed before them they still cant see it!!
You all are thinking this one to death. Every last one of you should watch the film BEING THERE with Peter Sellers. Having been in this scene, being acquainted with Thierry, etc., he's a dolt and the film is pretty much an extremely accurate representation of what occurred.
Thierry categorically is not a Banksy "project." I've had several discussions on this topic. Additionally, I can confirm that Thierry operated independently of Banksy on tons of occasions. The movie makes this clear.
The tendency to juxtapoz them is because substantial portions of the LA production team that put together Banksy's LA show were hired (key word: hired) to put together Thierry's show. Additionally, Banksy and Shep did give support to Thierry as a friend who for years had helped them as a spotter for bombing missions, and then went out on his own to try to be an paste up entity in his own right.
A lot of MBW cheering squad types who are completely out of the loop have misconstrued this to mean that in some sense Banksy and MBW are one in the same. This is not the case whatsoever. The film is very accurate in its portrayal of MBWs relationship with Banksy.
Its simply a misconstruction of the facts to suggest that MBW was a product of Banksy's imagination - when in fact the tail more or less wagged the dog in this case.
Maybe its hard for a lot of people to realize it, but Banksy got duped by MBW in several aspects (in the first place in letting him film him), and then had to negotiate for the tapes from Thierry - who while a moron, is a bizarrely savvy moron.
The result was this: Banksy realized MBW was a no talent idiot who would never produce a decent documentary and had in his possession tapes that revealed his identity. He went to MBW. MBW didn't freely give this up. He was already a street artist at this point and was planning a show.
As part of the bargain / blackmail, he got Banksy to provide assistance to the MBW LA show, but NOTHING by way of artistic help - this was confined to press, lists, and I would have to assume some financial compensation, but I would doubt it covered the entirety of the costs of the LA show etc.
Thierry hired artists off craiglist to produce most of the work. I buy that he partly mortgaged his house to financed a portion of the show and the massive team that he hired on.
In the documentary, Banksy glosses over the fine points of this. But to suggest Banksy is a grand maestro of MBW or that MBW is a creation of Banksy, is counterfactual.
Sure, without the influence of Shep, Invader, and Banksy, MBW would likely not have undertaken an art career.
But I'll say it again...
The tail wagged the dog.
The part that no one seemed to factor in - including Banksy - was that because MBW lacked any artistic talent to speak of, but had money, no one considered the possibility he would unabashedly hire out for the artistic talent, thus enabling him to do something on a scale bigger than any other artist.
Consequently, no one saw this coming. Any sensible person would think that if someone would chose to take up art as a profession, they'd actually produce art.
But since he was liberated from having to produce the art (because he couldn't) he was able to just spend to produce as much as possible and make a bigger show than an artist who actually creates their own art.
Mr Brainwash is just another product of Banksy's imagination, he has decided to take someone with no ability whatsoever and prove how easy it is to take money from rich individuals with no mind of their own. He has succeeded and made a movie about it, actually showing all those that have bought work just how stupid they are, but even though the evidence is placed before them they still cant see it!! You all are thinking this one to death. Every last one of you should watch the film BEING THERE with Peter Sellers. Having been in this scene, being acquainted with Thierry, etc., he's a dolt and the film is pretty much an extremely accurate representation of what occurred. Thierry categorically is not a Banksy "project." I've had several discussions on this topic. Additionally, I can confirm that Thierry operated independently of Banksy on tons of occasions. The movie makes this clear. The tendency to juxtapoz them is because substantial portions of the LA production team that put together Banksy's LA show were hired (key word: hired) to put together Thierry's show. Additionally, Banksy and Shep did give support to Thierry as a friend who for years had helped them as a spotter for bombing missions, and then went out on his own to try to be an paste up entity in his own right. A lot of MBW cheering squad types who are completely out of the loop have misconstrued this to mean that in some sense Banksy and MBW are one in the same. This is not the case whatsoever. The film is very accurate in its portrayal of MBWs relationship with Banksy. Its simply a misconstruction of the facts to suggest that MBW was a product of Banksy's imagination - when in fact the tail more or less wagged the dog in this case. Maybe its hard for a lot of people to realize it, but Banksy got duped by MBW in several aspects (in the first place in letting him film him), and then had to negotiate for the tapes from Thierry - who while a moron, is a bizarrely savvy moron. The result was this: Banksy realized MBW was a no talent idiot who would never produce a decent documentary and had in his possession tapes that revealed his identity. He went to MBW. MBW didn't freely give this up. He was already a street artist at this point and was planning a show. As part of the bargain / blackmail, he got Banksy to provide assistance to the MBW LA show, but NOTHING by way of artistic help - this was confined to press, lists, and I would have to assume some financial compensation, but I would doubt it covered the entirety of the costs of the LA show etc. Thierry hired artists off craiglist to produce most of the work. I buy that he partly mortgaged his house to financed a portion of the show and the massive team that he hired on. In the documentary, Banksy glosses over the fine points of this. But to suggest Banksy is a grand maestro of MBW or that MBW is a creation of Banksy, is counterfactual. Sure, without the influence of Shep, Invader, and Banksy, MBW would likely not have undertaken an art career. But I'll say it again... The tail wagged the dog. The part that no one seemed to factor in - including Banksy - was that because MBW lacked any artistic talent to speak of, but had money, no one considered the possibility he would unabashedly hire out for the artistic talent, thus enabling him to do something on a scale bigger than any other artist. Consequently, no one saw this coming. Any sensible person would think that if someone would chose to take up art as a profession, they'd actually produce art. But since he was liberated from having to produce the art (because he couldn't) he was able to just spend to produce as much as possible and make a bigger show than an artist who actually creates their own art.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Guest on Mar 10, 2010 12:36:14 GMT 1, Banksy is a genious, his art is not amazing by any standard but the placing of it and the satire used are mindblowingly good! He pulls off clever stunts with ease, stuff that anyone of us could have thought about doing but never did! Mr Brainwash is just another product of Banksy's imagination, he has decided to take someone with no ability whatsoever and prove how easy it is to take money from rich individuals with no mind of their own. He has succeeded and made a movie about it, actually showing all those that have bought work just how stupid they are, but even though the evidence is placed before them they still cant see it!! Would this stop me buying a Banksy that I liked, no, never. Would I buy a Mr Brainwash piece, no i soddin well wouldn't! I am happy to laugh with or at you Banksy but I won't be part of your joke!!
Great post Pud.
And the fact that MBW gave away art is just adding fuel to the fire, if this guy is so in demand, im sure the queue for free art would of been 10x what it was. The people in the queue are there hoping to discover the next big thing, come in your time is up, Banksy has left the building.
Banksy is a genious, his art is not amazing by any standard but the placing of it and the satire used are mindblowingly good! He pulls off clever stunts with ease, stuff that anyone of us could have thought about doing but never did! Mr Brainwash is just another product of Banksy's imagination, he has decided to take someone with no ability whatsoever and prove how easy it is to take money from rich individuals with no mind of their own. He has succeeded and made a movie about it, actually showing all those that have bought work just how stupid they are, but even though the evidence is placed before them they still cant see it!! Would this stop me buying a Banksy that I liked, no, never. Would I buy a Mr Brainwash piece, no i soddin well wouldn't! I am happy to laugh with or at you Banksy but I won't be part of your joke!! Great post Pud. And the fact that MBW gave away art is just adding fuel to the fire, if this guy is so in demand, im sure the queue for free art would of been 10x what it was. The people in the queue are there hoping to discover the next big thing, come in your time is up, Banksy has left the building.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by stickitup on Mar 10, 2010 13:51:51 GMT 1, Some of you might want to seek out the documentry with Tony Kay where he decides he is going to become an artist and asks himself what do I need to do to become an artist and what can be accepted as my art? In particular going into a gallery and $hitting on the floor. Raises some interesting questions. MBW as a concept is avant garde, his artwork, unless part of the whole concept is sadly not that strong.
Some of you might want to seek out the documentry with Tony Kay where he decides he is going to become an artist and asks himself what do I need to do to become an artist and what can be accepted as my art? In particular going into a gallery and $hitting on the floor. Raises some interesting questions. MBW as a concept is avant garde, his artwork, unless part of the whole concept is sadly not that strong.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Daniel Silk on Mar 10, 2010 13:55:20 GMT 1, Silky, How many new accounts are being activated post Banksy Film??
around 5-10 each day
Silky, How many new accounts are being activated post Banksy Film?? around 5-10 each day
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by Cedric Mnich on Mar 10, 2010 14:24:23 GMT 1, Wait... wait. So, MBW does no art by himself ? Are you saying that all the pieces shown on that show were made for him by other artists that he paid ?
Wait... wait. So, MBW does no art by himself ? Are you saying that all the pieces shown on that show were made for him by other artists that he paid ?
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by scandi on Mar 10, 2010 14:33:22 GMT 1, Well he does the hand-finishing (i.e. paint-splatters) apparently.
Well he does the hand-finishing (i.e. paint-splatters) apparently.
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The Banksy FILM Effect , by scandi on Mar 10, 2010 14:34:05 GMT 1, And he signs the prints himself as well btw.
And he signs the prints himself as well btw.
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