[Martin Whatson]

Dont know if this has been posted before.
But SHIT, I wish I was in NY right now!!!!



Here are a couple of my favorites:

[burnz]

the last one is cool some great colours

must ov been on acid

[mj]

Great post

[covertshadowops]

fantastic installation... must have took ages.

does anyone state-side know if all the stuff is for sale? or is it all sold out?

can anyone contact the gallery... cant find a number to call?

[lee3]

I've contacted the gallery by phone and by email twice over the past 2 weeks and was told I'd be emailed momentarily and I'm yet to get an email with inventory, dimensions, and pricing. I suppose I was too patient but I'm not going to play cat and mouse to buy a piece. I know from the phone call that there was a ton of stuff and the price sure did sound very reasonable. The most expensive piece was 96 inches square and they were asking $45k for it, so by now I presume there are slim pickings of whatever remains. As they say, "another bus we'll come around in 15 minutes." The pics on flickr of the art itself are incredible. I'm very fond of their work; i just wish I had a decent opportunity to grab some of it.

[lee3]

>>>can anyone contact the gallery... cant find a number to call?<<<

www.deitch.com/

[Martin Whatson]

Jul 5, 2008 23:32:34 GMT 1 lee3 said:

i just wish I had a decent opportunity to grab some of it.

Good luck with your hunt!!
I wish I had the funds to even look for a decent opportunity!!!

Thanks for the compliment, but im just sharing!

[skanky]

Jul 5, 2008 23:32:34 GMT 1 lee3 said:

I've contacted the gallery by phone and by email twice over the past 2 weeks and was told I'd be emailed momentarily and I'm yet to get an email with inventory, dimensions, and pricing. I suppose I was too patient but I'm not going to play cat and mouse to buy a piece. I know from the phone call that there was a ton of stuff and the price sure did sound very reasonable. The most expensive piece was 96 inches square and they were asking $45k for it, so by now I presume there are slim pickings of whatever remains. As they say, "another bus we'll come around in 15 minutes." The pics on flickr of the art itself are incredible. I'm very fond of their work; i just wish I had a decent opportunity to grab some of it.

Good luck Lee I have had the same response , I contacted them back in Apri then phoned them a few times before the show opened and was told I would def be contacted. Very disapointed with the service I was given. Looks like a blinding show though !

[dotdot]

Jul 6, 2008 12:52:32 GMT 1 skanky said:

Jul 5, 2008 23:32:34 GMT 1 lee3 said:

I've contacted the gallery by phone and by email twice over the past 2 weeks and was told I'd be emailed momentarily and I'm yet to get an email with inventory, dimensions, and pricing. I suppose I was too patient but I'm not going to play cat and mouse to buy a piece. I know from the phone call that there was a ton of stuff and the price sure did sound very reasonable. The most expensive piece was 96 inches square and they were asking $45k for it, so by now I presume there are slim pickings of whatever remains. As they say, "another bus we'll come around in 15 minutes." The pics on flickr of the art itself are incredible. I'm very fond of their work; i just wish I had a decent opportunity to grab some of it.

Good luck Lee I have had the same response , I contacted them back in Apri then phoned them a few times before the show opened and was told I would def be contacted. Very disapointed with the service I was given. Looks like a blinding show though !

I've been in touch likewise. No replies to email - though very courteous on the phone.

The show from the fantastic photos I've seen appears to be the show of the
year - by quite a long way.

..

[Alan Craig]

Jul 5, 2008 23:32:34 GMT 1 lee3 said:

I've contacted the gallery by phone and by email twice over the past 2 weeks and was told I'd be emailed momentarily and I'm yet to get an email with inventory, dimensions, and pricing. I suppose I was too patient but I'm not going to play cat and mouse to buy a piece. I know from the phone call that there was a ton of stuff and the price sure did sound very reasonable. The most expensive piece was 96 inches square and they were asking $45k for it, so by now I presume there are slim pickings of whatever remains. As they say, "another bus we'll come around in 15 minutes." The pics on flickr of the art itself are incredible. I'm very fond of their work; i just wish I had a decent opportunity to grab some of it.

Same story here, been in contact regarding the Gem's for over 2 years with deitch - have been promised prices / details etc. from this show a number (like lots) of times, but have been sent nothing.

I know they care greatly about the twins and are not wanting to rush sell the pieces, and want to ensure pieces go to the right places - museum collections etc. but can't help feeling disappointed / let down to some respect. Having said that, I don't know how many / which pieces are sold, or if there's anything left at all.

Still have my fingers crossed though.

[lee3]

This is just far too many people echoing the same comment regarding email correspondence. Unfortunately some galleries act that way though not the ones that I do business with. I suppose we can simply enjoy the art itself and be glad that most conduct business in a different manner.

[Alan Craig]

Jul 6, 2008 15:46:23 GMT 1 lee3 said:

This is just far too many people echoing the same comment regarding email correspondence. Unfortunately some galleries act that way though not the ones that I do business with. I suppose we can simply enjoy the art itself and be glad that most conduct business in a different manner.

I do agree Lee

Although, I sometimes feel as though it's always the same people who get first call on pieces, and lesser mortals never seem to hear a thing. This deitch situation is frustrating, but preferable to never hearing a thing and a select few ending up buying most of the show.

Perhaps

[ricosg11]

Im a 25 year old peon and I have to say the service I have had at Deitch in the past has been nothing short of stellar.

[Alan Craig]

I do wonder if Deitch are just being really cautious in relation to who they sell too, to ensure that they protect their artists - not wanting to see pieces immediately flipped etc.

Not hearing YET (!?) from them (prices / details wise) is annoying from a buyer point of view, but perhaps preferable to the artists in the longer term.

[lee3]

>>>Not hearing YET (!?) from them (prices / details wise) is annoying from a buyer point of view, but perhaps preferable to the artists in the longer term.<<<

Imo, it's simply not professional. I've always subscribed to the first come, first served model as opposed to some biased "one needs to make the cut" model. Personally, I don't enjoy those games and as I said before there is plenty of other wonderful art out there. The gallery is in essence saying we don't need your business and that's fine by me. From my vantage point, everyone should be given a chance and if they burn that opportunity by quickly offering it up for resale without first approaching the gallery, then you simply cross them off the list in the future for purchases. In this case, the gallery could have easily told us all that the show will probably sell out on the wait list alone and offer to add us to the wait list for the next show but that never happened. It's quite simply really.

Instead we were baited along with pleasantries and lip service over the phone and told we'd have the information momentarily only to be dismissed out of hand as soon as that phone is hung up. I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and figure they just screwed up with me but they obviously did this to many on this thread alone. That's their choice and galleries behave differently the world over but it's not the way I'm personally going to do business so it's an easy choice from where I sit even if an email hit my inbox right now with the most gorgeous piece of art in my price range. I'll simply enjoy the photos of the work but collect other artists until Os G are at another gallery or something hits the secondary market at a price that I think is fair.

It sounds like the prices were on the low end given my expectations so I would not be surprised to see some of it hit the tape sooner than later. We'll see how well the gallery does at preventing this work from seeing the secondary market in due time anyway.

[Simococo]

I have been in contact with them for 5 months and had been promised an opportunity to buy a couple of pieces from the wooster show and then a wall of silence.

I must have had around 20 emails from them updating me along the way.

Odd by any galleries standards

[guest2]

Jul 6, 2008 16:16:18 GMT 1 Alan Craig said:

Jul 6, 2008 15:46:23 GMT 1 lee3 said:

This is just far too many people echoing the same comment regarding email correspondence. Unfortunately some galleries act that way though not the ones that I do business with. I suppose we can simply enjoy the art itself and be glad that most conduct business in a different manner.

I do agree Lee

Although, I sometimes feel as though it's always the same people who get first call on pieces, and lesser mortals never seem to hear a thing. This deitch situation is frustrating, but preferable to never hearing a thing and a select few ending up buying most of the show.

Perhaps

I'd imagine they were bombarded with enquiries from the UK and J Deitch is most definitely an extremely responsible seller of work by his artists. Sounds as if he has kept the prices reasonable (he could have sold for much more) and I bet each piece has been placed carefully and I also don't expect to see any of these on the 2ndry market. Os gemeos are set for a long and fruitful career under his guidance. I'd say he has done a great job.

[Simococo]

I would be cool with that if they had said

"sorry sunshine but we don't know you from Adam and therefore we ain't sellin' you nothin'"

Fair enough, I can get that

but they were pretty bloody clear on more than one occasion that pieces would be available. The fact that they were inundated with calls from the UK or wherever else is part of the course.

[guest2]

Jul 6, 2008 19:16:06 GMT 1 Simococo said:

I would be cool with that if they had said

"sorry sunshine but we don't know you from Adam and therefore we ain't sellin' you nothin'"

Fair enough, I can get that

but they were pretty bloody clear on more than one occasion that pieces would be available. The fact that they were inundated with calls from the UK or wherever else is part of the course.

I was in the same boat. If I had to guess I'd say as the show grew closer everyone and their brother was calling/emailing them. Only a few months back you could pick up OS G pieces and now everyone wants one. I didn't take it as an insult, I reckon they were probably overwhelmed and find it hard to trust all this recent interest so they decided to blank the lot of us!

I'm just glad I got one already!

[Simococo]

they have offered me a couple of pieces in the past and seemed very decent folk but I was waiting for a large canvas from this show.
Did anyone get one from Wooster?

[hlarmy]

Prices range from $20k to $75k; as of Wednesday much of the larger work was sold or on hold with many of the smaller pieces ($20k to $30k) available to buy. Contrary to what everyone else's experiences, I've received a very good service from the gallery in the past couple of weeks. I only wish I could see the exhibition in person rather than on a computer screen!!

[Simococo]

Did all the pieces sell ?

[lee3]

Jul 18, 2008 21:13:09 GMT 1 Simococo said:

Did all the pieces sell ?

No, there was plenty available as of a week or so ago when they finally emailed me the list. There was nothing left that I personally wanted but there was definietly availability. There were more than a fair number on hold too and you can usually count on a percentage of those falling through and being offered up for sale again. I'm sure by now they will email you availability if you call and ask.

[Simococo]

Thanks Lee, I'll give them a call

[top]

Sorry if reiterating what's already been said..

Only just started to appreciate the twins work (Only just getting to grips with my taste ;)sad but true :- very bold use of colour throughout and great vibrancy, fantastic depth and poise of the subject matter. They would stand out in any collection and sure to sit nicely alongside Choe etc

I find it strange that potential genuine buyers are being ignored (for the want of a better word..), piss poor communication is very unprofessional in this current climate..that would bug me, especially if I had made a concerted effort only to be buffed off - regardless of numbers.
Perhaps a case of the work being filtered through to appease their long term/time client base? Gallery exercising some restraint?

Good luck to those found wanting. I agree with lee3 that 'another time another place' is it seems, a more realistic option now.

ricosg11 ..can you open up on your 'stellar service' at all with Deitch?

[romanywg]

From what I've heard from a distinguished gallery owner in the UK. Jeffrey Deitch the Gallery owner is very careful who he sells to as he doesn't want anything to come up on the secondary market straight away. Understandable but hard to control.

[Simococo]

totally understandable.
and he should have let people know that from the outset.
You can't buy a piece from the show as I don't know your intentions.
I was going to use the canvas I would have bought as a snooker table, so surely he would have been cool with that?

[dslug]

Nothing to do with this gallery or buying art in general but since the dollar has been weak I have spent a lot of money in the USA on collectible furniture and my experience of American customer service is that they have a great phone manner and will have you believe they will do everything they promise but then they do nothing at all.Its BS to think they shine when it comes to customer service.

[Deleted]

Jul 28, 2008 15:46:25 GMT 1 dslug said:

Nothing to do with this gallery or buying art in general but since the dollar has been weak I have spent a lot of money in the USA on collectible furniture and my experience of American customer service is that they have a great phone manner and will have you believe they will do everything they promise but then they do nothing at all.Its BS to think they shine when it comes to customer service.

Who are you buying from?, i have acquired and imported from US galleries on a number of occasions with my business and although its expensive for me to import pieces of Design from the US it usually arrives ok, cant you buy elsewhere and negotiate a deal for the difference?. I always found buying from Italy to be the most exciting! whatever i bought there it would usually be something quite different turn up haha.

[dslug]

Jul 28, 2008 16:02:09 GMT 1 @wizbong said:

Jul 28, 2008 15:46:25 GMT 1 dslug said:

Nothing to do with this gallery or buying art in general but since the dollar has been weak I have spent a lot of money in the USA on collectible furniture and my experience of American customer service is that they have a great phone manner and will have you believe they will do everything they promise but then they do nothing at all.Its BS to think they shine when it comes to customer service.

Who are you buying from?, i have acquired and imported from US galleries on a number of occasions with my business and although its expensive for me to import pieces of Design from the US it usually arrives ok, cant you buy elsewhere and negotiate a deal for the difference?. I always found buying from Italy to be the most exciting! whatever i bought there would usually be something quite different turn up haha.

I'm buying all over the US.I'm on my third container and my point is not that all Americans are hard to deal with but there have been times where I spoke with someone who was part of either the shipping or purchase process and they promised more than they delivered.I know this happens everywhere in the world but I think there is a misconception that Americans are customer focused and efficient when IMO they are as bad everyone else.