Neate Michael
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njr911
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by njr911 on Apr 22, 2008 16:12:42 GMT 1, It's a bit Vienna to me
I like a lot of her other stuff though
It's a bit Vienna to me
I like a lot of her other stuff though
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otomi
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by otomi on Apr 22, 2008 20:00:39 GMT 1, whats up with the price?
whats up with the price?
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by bobbymeachamjr on Apr 23, 2008 7:38:02 GMT 1, "Original artwork". Edition of 20. Same design. Gotta love the marketing gimmicks.
"Original artwork". Edition of 20. Same design. Gotta love the marketing gimmicks.
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Neate Michael
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by Neate Michael on Apr 23, 2008 9:16:54 GMT 1, Proper hand finished though, all 20 were totally different...
Proper hand finished though, all 20 were totally different...
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by bobbymeachamjr on Apr 23, 2008 15:00:11 GMT 1, Customizing 20 of the same design = not 20 originals. Did bast sell his Pow Mickeys as originals? This type of BS marketing really gets to me...
Customizing 20 of the same design = not 20 originals. Did bast sell his Pow Mickeys as originals? This type of BS marketing really gets to me...
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killerkellah
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by killerkellah on Apr 23, 2008 15:03:34 GMT 1, it looks like a pencil drawing on a brown paper bag??!
very poor
it looks like a pencil drawing on a brown paper bag? ?! very poor
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by bobbymeachamjr on Apr 23, 2008 15:10:41 GMT 1, By labelling it as "original" they can sell @4x the price. It might be poor work but people buy according to its "label". Its simply a varied edition of 20 but thats a lot harder to sell. BRP acting like an ebayer playing with semantics.
By labelling it as "original" they can sell @4x the price. It might be poor work but people buy according to its "label". Its simply a varied edition of 20 but thats a lot harder to sell. BRP acting like an ebayer playing with semantics.
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by Guest on Apr 23, 2008 15:13:15 GMT 1, it looks the weakest from the edition
it looks the weakest from the edition
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otomi
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by otomi on Apr 23, 2008 18:35:49 GMT 1, i love swoons work and if she can sell for that price good for her - i'm just disappointed that i can't buy her prints anymore and thats what it is - at least there will be no flipping
i love swoons work and if she can sell for that price good for her - i'm just disappointed that i can't buy her prints anymore and thats what it is - at least there will be no flipping
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by bobbymeachamjr on Apr 23, 2008 22:19:39 GMT 1, I love Swoon, shes at the top of my faves list. I'm just disappointed these are selling as "originals". They're not and I'm 99% sure it was not her marketing ploy...
I love Swoon, shes at the top of my faves list. I'm just disappointed these are selling as "originals". They're not and I'm 99% sure it was not her marketing ploy...
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by ricosg11 on Apr 23, 2008 22:49:33 GMT 1, First off, Swoon and "marketing ploy" should never even be in the same breath, let alone sentence. Second, Mike (Snelle) runs one of the best UK galleries dedicated to our "scene". He has taken on artists who he believes in (most of whom I am not much of a fan of) and creates quality prints and shows that really let the artists do what they do best. Have you all forgotten so quickly how awesome an experience it probably was to be at the print show in person and be able to see how it all gets done??!!
First off, Swoon and "marketing ploy" should never even be in the same breath, let alone sentence. Second, Mike (Snelle) runs one of the best UK galleries dedicated to our "scene". He has taken on artists who he believes in (most of whom I am not much of a fan of) and creates quality prints and shows that really let the artists do what they do best. Have you all forgotten so quickly how awesome an experience it probably was to be at the print show in person and be able to see how it all gets done??!!
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by bobbymeachamjr on Apr 23, 2008 22:54:42 GMT 1, Calm down, I'm glad you have such high regard for the aforementioned. Nevertheless, these should not be sold as "originals". Just like the bast Mickeys weren't, just like the NYC faile editions aren't etc etc...
Calm down, I'm glad you have such high regard for the aforementioned. Nevertheless, these should not be sold as "originals". Just like the bast Mickeys weren't, just like the NYC faile editions aren't etc etc...
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by ricosg11 on Apr 23, 2008 23:16:26 GMT 1, that I will not argue with. But Swoon is a great person and artist. She personally over-sees some great causes and is one of the hardest working artists out there. Furthermore the prices of her original work have remained "affordable", while others have squeezed ever cent they can out of their fan base. She is one of the good eggs and has my full support, which to anyone who knows me is of no surprise.
that I will not argue with. But Swoon is a great person and artist. She personally over-sees some great causes and is one of the hardest working artists out there. Furthermore the prices of her original work have remained "affordable", while others have squeezed ever cent they can out of their fan base. She is one of the good eggs and has my full support, which to anyone who knows me is of no surprise.
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by bobbymeachamjr on Apr 23, 2008 23:46:26 GMT 1, Totally agree. Because shes so non-materialistic, I'm just a little sensitive to people potentially taking advantage of her talent. For artistic integritys sake, these are not originals.
Totally agree. Because shes so non-materialistic, I'm just a little sensitive to people potentially taking advantage of her talent. For artistic integritys sake, these are not originals.
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top
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by top on Apr 24, 2008 13:20:37 GMT 1, Swoon Miss Rockaway on mylar anyone?!?!
..pm if interested
Swoon Miss Rockaway on mylar anyone?!?!
..pm if interested
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faute
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by faute on Apr 24, 2008 19:51:31 GMT 1, Totally agree. Because shes so non-materialistic, I'm just a little sensitive to people potentially taking advantage of her talent. For artistic integritys sake, these are not originals.
Could you provide me with a definition of "original" (not "one off", but original)?
The use of the term drives me crazy. For example, is a Faile silkscreen an original if on wood or canvas and not on paper, or if 1/1 and not in an edition of 12?
For me, original means something like not derived from something else. Thus a screenprint in an edition of 100'000 without handfinishing can be to me. Or it's not in some cases.
I understand that you can disagree, but what's your definition?
Totally agree. Because shes so non-materialistic, I'm just a little sensitive to people potentially taking advantage of her talent. For artistic integritys sake, these are not originals. Could you provide me with a definition of "original" (not "one off", but original)? The use of the term drives me crazy. For example, is a Faile silkscreen an original if on wood or canvas and not on paper, or if 1/1 and not in an edition of 12? For me, original means something like not derived from something else. Thus a screenprint in an edition of 100'000 without handfinishing can be to me. Or it's not in some cases. I understand that you can disagree, but what's your definition?
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by bobbymeachamjr on Apr 24, 2008 19:59:33 GMT 1, In the creative field, an original design = "Original". The first time you design something = the "Original". Thats what art is, CREATIVITY. Not creating 1 design and then doing different colors, adding some scribble and then labelling them all as original. THE ORIGINAL CREATIVE IS THE ORIGINAL.
In the creative field, an original design = "Original". The first time you design something = the "Original". Thats what art is, CREATIVITY. Not creating 1 design and then doing different colors, adding some scribble and then labelling them all as original. THE ORIGINAL CREATIVE IS THE ORIGINAL.
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faute
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by faute on Apr 24, 2008 20:10:33 GMT 1, In the creative field, an original design = "Original". The first time you design something = the "Original
Thus, basically this for example www.newimageartshop.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=472
is not an original for you? Or indeed the vast majority of things by Swoon sold at NIA.
And why a Faile NYC print in an edition is not an original when designed for the first time? Only the first one in the edition like 1/12 would be?
In the creative field, an original design = "Original". The first time you design something = the "Original Thus, basically this for example www.newimageartshop.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=472is not an original for you? Or indeed the vast majority of things by Swoon sold at NIA. And why a Faile NYC print in an edition is not an original when designed for the first time? Only the first one in the edition like 1/12 would be?
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pezlow
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by pezlow on Apr 24, 2008 20:10:44 GMT 1, It is not easy to define an original. But IMHO it stands to reason that anything that is released in an edition of greater than 1 cannot be an original. Thus banksy canvasses such as heavy weaponry etc would be classed as "editions" not originals.
Whatever amount of hand finishing and extra touches you put on a print it doesn't turn it into an original, albeit it might make it a very special print.
But it doesn't even stop there. I would argue that even some art produced in an edition of 1 couldn't truly be classed as an original if the image has been reused. Thus a screenprinted faile butterfly girl 1/1 on paper isn't, IMHO, an original in the true sense of the word because there are other screenprinted butterfly girl 1/1's on paper. That doesn't make it any less special though.
When faile do their collaged pieces (a la rotella and villegle) then I would say those are originals - they will all be different and incorporate different elements to them.....
It is not easy to define an original. But IMHO it stands to reason that anything that is released in an edition of greater than 1 cannot be an original. Thus banksy canvasses such as heavy weaponry etc would be classed as "editions" not originals.
Whatever amount of hand finishing and extra touches you put on a print it doesn't turn it into an original, albeit it might make it a very special print.
But it doesn't even stop there. I would argue that even some art produced in an edition of 1 couldn't truly be classed as an original if the image has been reused. Thus a screenprinted faile butterfly girl 1/1 on paper isn't, IMHO, an original in the true sense of the word because there are other screenprinted butterfly girl 1/1's on paper. That doesn't make it any less special though.
When faile do their collaged pieces (a la rotella and villegle) then I would say those are originals - they will all be different and incorporate different elements to them.....
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by bobbymeachamjr on Apr 24, 2008 20:14:48 GMT 1, Well said Pez. I've brought this up before and in particular about Failes nonchalant labelling of "original" as well...
must note these issues (which i believe are serious) are only prevalent in this scene - mainly because we're dealing w/stencils. It is up to the integrity of artists and dealers alike to uphold these labels but I for one have noticed, more often than not, that the desire to sell overrides all...
Well said Pez. I've brought this up before and in particular about Failes nonchalant labelling of "original" as well...
must note these issues (which i believe are serious) are only prevalent in this scene - mainly because we're dealing w/stencils. It is up to the integrity of artists and dealers alike to uphold these labels but I for one have noticed, more often than not, that the desire to sell overrides all...
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faute
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Swoon's Babayaga is on sale again at BRP, by faute on Apr 24, 2008 20:19:07 GMT 1, Pez, I can agree with you. And I totally agree regarding hand-finishing. I can understand the use of the term as that it has to be unique (or simply not derived from anything, being the source from which a copy, reproduction, or translation is made, etc... like I used).
But, the mixing of both drives me a bit crazy (like using only the surface or the medium to differentiate) (edit: which is not the case here bobbymeachamjr and my message was not against you)
Pez, I can agree with you. And I totally agree regarding hand-finishing. I can understand the use of the term as that it has to be unique (or simply not derived from anything, being the source from which a copy, reproduction, or translation is made, etc... like I used).
But, the mixing of both drives me a bit crazy (like using only the surface or the medium to differentiate) (edit: which is not the case here bobbymeachamjr and my message was not against you)
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