[Dead Elvis]

rklimek said:

I can... It will be one of the top defining Banksy images as time passes.

I agree completely. This is easily one of Banksy's strongest pieces, along with Napalm. Although I admire the majority of his work, I feel there only 2 or 3 pieces that transcend his "one-liner" street art realm into an actual artistic statement....different strokes they say...
I really like the attempt at the David statue (although I feel it could've been executed a little more compellingly); that's a pretty bold move in the grand scheme of things, taking a crack at David, like the many greats before him have...

[arcam]

rklimek said:

I can... It will be one of the top defining Banksy images as time passes.

I totally agree.

[finsburyparkranger]

Tell you what though, it was a defining moment in art history. I was there tonight and there was a beautiful moment when morons came up......

The auctioneer went 'hmmmmm..... morons. signed sepia ..... hmmm what does it say ...... I can't believe you morons actually buy this.... s**t..... hmmmm.' Classic

Very funny. Seems like the place to pick up a bargain, f**k ebay. I recommend going, next month November the 29th. 24 Maddox street, next to hamley's. Free £15 catologue upon request.

There will be a nice signed golf sale for the taking.

[gbh]

hmmm, might be time to use up all those frequent flyer points then

[RBK]

finsburyparkranger said:

Tell you what though, it was a defining moment in art history. I was there tonight and there was a beautiful moment when morons came up......

The auctioneer went 'hmmmmm..... morons. signed sepia ..... hmmm what does it say ...... I can't believe you morons actually buy this.... s**t..... hmmmm.' Classic

Great story finsburyparkranger! Were people/the auctioneer laughing?

[artpartment]

i am wondering that laz let the heavy weapon on metal to sale.normaly i heard he dont let outside works to auctions.where is the autentifcation ?whats the proof that it was from banksy?on the ebay pictures it was hardly to see anyway.

[mcnuts]

Sorry just to add some more perspective before everyone talks about Micallef and prices tanking. Can anyone tell me what the orignal prices for each of the following were

21st Century £3800 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Dirty Deluxe£3800 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Happy F**ked Up - £1600 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Walk in - £1900 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

No one - £1700 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Judgement Day - £1800 - RP £300 GBP, 2006

[mcnuts]

my goal in the above is to try and illustrate the hyperinflation and try and ground once again expectations. JD is a prime example. The print cost you 300GBP less than a year ago.

[finsburyparkranger]

byrno said:

did Applause go for £500?

According to my notes it went for £850 on the day.

[finsburyparkranger]

rklimek said:

finsburyparkranger said:

Tell you what though, it was a defining moment in art history. I was there tonight and there was a beautiful moment when morons came up......

The auctioneer went 'hmmmmm..... morons. signed sepia ..... hmmm what does it say ...... I can't believe you morons actually buy this.... s**t..... hmmmm.' Classic

Great story finsburyparkranger! Were people/the auctioneer laughing?

The auctioneer was trying to keep a straight face and said something like 'well thats telling us' after he said it and the room
s n i g g e r e d.

The moment he got onto the banksy section after hours of other artists he went, 'ok I guess this is what everyone's really been waiting for'.

[endtimes]

APPLAUSE: ebay item# 180162963561

For the full list search completed auctions on ebay.com Banksy price over $500.

A couple prints including Morons (surprisingly) sold pretty well.
But signed barcode for example went for a record £9800 on ebay 2-3-4 months ago I do believe. Sold for £6200 at auction and the seller only took home roughly £5500 - Jack and Jill the seller took home about £3.5k etc.

I've said it before I hate seeing this stuff go to auction because it adds about 30% fluff inbetween what the seller takes home and what the buyer pays which is all auction house profit. I really don't want to be too judgemental but the record number of Banksy works in auctions this fall reeks of people trying to cash in when it's now appearing it would have been better off if people simply made good deals with forum members for example. Oh well.

[finsburyparkranger]

endtimes said:

APPLAUSE: ebay item# 180162963561

For the full list search completed auctions on ebay.com Banksy price over $500.

Stand corrected.

[artforartssake]

mcnuts said:

Sorry just to add some more perspective before everyone talks about Micallef and prices tanking. Can anyone tell me what the orignal prices for each of the following were

21st Century £3800 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Dirty Deluxe£3800 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Happy F**ked Up - £1600 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Walk in - £1900 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

No one - £1700 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Judgement Day - £1800 - RP £300 GBP, 2006

I think they were all priced roughly the same, around £500 (well that's what I paid for HFU and No-one), but the prices rise as they sell more.

There is also often a 'pre-release' offer to the gallery's regular buyers.

[mcnuts]

artforartssake said:

I think they were all priced roughly the same, around £500 (well that's what I paid for HFU and No-one), but the prices rise as they sell more.

There is also often a 'pre-release' offer to the gallery's regular buyers.

cheers for that. So still proves my point that the pieces were selling for 5 to 6 times what they cost. Not a bad return, still not the prices paid on ebay but none went for cost.

[endtimes]

cheers for that. So still proves my point that the pieces were selling for 5 to 6 times what they cost. Not a bad return, still not the prices paid on ebay but none went for cost.

But who's cost? The sellers may well have paid thousands for them.

[mcnuts]

endtimes said:

cheers for that. So still proves my point that the pieces were selling for 5 to 6 times what they cost. Not a bad return, still not the prices paid on ebay but none went for cost.

But who's cost? The sellers may well have paid thousands for them.

very true. i was just assuming people paid cost (i have never bought anything from the 2ndary market). So i guess i was using the original purchase price as my benchmark and pointing out the price increase relative to what it went on sale for. However, I appreciate ppl may pay substantial sums over the original price.

[Pattycakes]

I do feel that we have reached a point where the market has softened, there is much talk of ebay prices, but we know that a ton of shill bidding has and does go on, so whilst the prices at the auction were not as high as we've seen them, I think they are probably indicative of where the secondary market is going. It's also important to realize that these prints are not exactly rare, most signed editions are 150 - 400, and unsigned are 600-1000, that means there are a lot of prints out there. Speculators are not collectors, they base their values on the prints perceived scarcity. What does this all mean? I think the end of the prices continually going up, which frankly was stupid and those who bought into it were a little deluded, the prices will eventually settle at a stable level - and we should be pleased that they will. At least we'll all know where we stand, and stop worrying what that signed CND might make and what it'll mean to the value of the one on the wall and the two that are probably unframed under the bed.

[mwjm0]

artforartssake said:

mcnuts said:

Sorry just to add some more perspective before everyone talks about Micallef and prices tanking. Can anyone tell me what the orignal prices for each of the following were

21st Century £3800 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Dirty Deluxe£3800 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Happy F**ked Up - £1600 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Walk in - £1900 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

No one - £1700 ORIGINAL PRICE ?

Judgement Day - £1800 - RP £300 GBP, 2006

I think they were all priced roughly the same, around £500 (well that's what I paid for HFU and No-one), but the prices rise as they sell more.

There is also often a 'pre-release' offer to the gallery's regular buyers.

i got 21st Century Love for £350 and 2 of the smaller black and white prints from eyestorm for £250 back in the day. No-one would let a 21stCL go for £3800. That auction price did not reach reserve.

[Deleted]

i recieved the new Bloomsbury auction book(modern and contemporary prints november 28th) in the post yesterday. a really nice surprise and well worth getting hold of a copy. lots of interesting stuff up for grabs. the book is nearly 300 pages long, its full of info and pictures. there are loads of banksy's, micallefs etc etc. any forum membes got any items up for sale here??

[finsburyparkranger]

slammer said:

i recieved the new Bloomsbury auction book(modern and contemporary prints november 28th) in the post yesterday. a really nice surprise and well worth getting hold of a copy. lots of interesting stuff up for grabs. the book is nearly 300 pages long, its full of info and pictures. there are loads of banksy's, micallefs etc etc. any forum membes got any items up for sale here??

Yeah I've got a signed golf sale in that auction. Although they were supposed to call me first to discuss the sodding reserve. May I ask what reserve they've put on in it?

[mcnuts]

finsburyparkranger said:

slammer said:

i recieved the new Bloomsbury auction book(modern and contemporary prints november 28th) in the post yesterday. a really nice surprise and well worth getting hold of a copy. lots of interesting stuff up for grabs. the book is nearly 300 pages long, its full of info and pictures. there are loads of banksy's, micallefs etc etc. any forum membes got any items up for sale here??

Yeah I've got a signed golf sale in that auction. Although they were supposed to call me first to discuss the sodding reserve. May I ask what reserve they've put on in it?

doesnt say but the reserve is often the lower end of the estimate unless you talk to them..... still not to late to set a reserve.

499. Banksy (b.1975) golf sale silkscreen, 2003, signed and dated in pencil, and with the red BANKSY tag, numbered 121/150, published by Pictures on Walls, London, on wove paper, the full sheet, in good, fresh condition, sheet 345 x 495mm.
est. £4000 – £6000

[ejvaze]

I've got something going in the sale although not a Banksy.

Lot 112
Ian Hamilton Finlay
Headlines:Evelines
which is a portfolio of 13 silkscreens.
Done as an edition of 50 and this is no.21

I have had this portfolio for yrs and am beginning to wonder if I have done the right thing in selling. First thing I have ever sold re art. But if I am to go on collecting something has got to give and it is NOT going to be my Banksys.

Funny thing is it has sat in the corner for yrs hardly ever looked at, now that I do look at it, I can see how NOW it is.

[finsburyparkranger]

499. Banksy (b.1975) golf sale silkscreen, 2003, signed and dated in pencil, and with the red BANKSY tag, numbered 121/150, published by Pictures on Walls, London, on wove paper, the full sheet, in good, fresh condition, sheet 345 x 495mm.
est. £4000 – £6000

Cheers, its a bit annoying also because i included a receipt and santa's ghetto flyer (don't laugh too much, it does make a big difference to the price) which they should be advertising in the catelogue as included otherwise I would have been better of selling it myself. Not liking this auction business now. Get the feeling they don't understand the Banksy market that much. at all.

[finsburyparkranger]

Just phoned them, got to be honest they didn't seem to have an answer for not advertising that it comes with a receipt apart from 'we just don't do that yet but we will inform customers when they call up'.

Imagine if you asked your brother to put your signed golf sale on ebay whilst you were on holiday because you needed the cash and he gave you that answer. You would ring his bleeding neck.

[pezlow]

finsburyparkranger said:

Just phoned them, got to be honest they didn't seem to have an answer for not advertising that it comes with a receipt apart from 'we just don't do that yet but we will inform customers when they call up'.

Imagine if you asked your brother to put your signed golf sale on ebay whilst you were on holiday because you needed the cash and he gave you that answer. You would ring his bleeding neck.

I wouldn't worry too much FPR. Most buyers at auction take the view that the purchase from an auction house guarantees provenance. Auction houses have on rare occasions in the past been stung (Hirst prints in particular) and are now at pains to establish provenance. So most people bidding will not have any doubt about prov.

[finsburyparkranger]

I wouldn't worry too much FPR. Most buyers at auction take the view that the purchase from an auction house guarantees provenance. Auction houses have on rare occasions in the past been stung (Hirst prints in particular) and are now at pains to establish provenance. So most people bidding will not have any doubt about prov.

Toes and fingers crossed. Credit cards and scissors to hand. ;D

[BONGO]

BONGO SAYS THAT YOU MUST NOT TAKE TOO MUCH FROM A PUBLISHED RESERVE, AS AUCTION HOUSES SET ARTIFICIALLY LOW RESERVES TO GET VICTIMS INTERESTED IN THE SALE.

AS WE ALL KNOW, VICTIMS SOMETIMES LOSE ALL SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE WHEN IN A SALE AND CAN GET CARRIED AWAY.

[mcnuts]

Bongo, you reffering to my post? My point was the opposite.

[BONGO]

BONGO0 JUST MAKE OBSERVATION ON SITUATION WITH LESS THAN TRANSPARENT WORLD OF AUCTIONEERS

[mcnuts]

bongo said:

BONGO0 JUST MAKE OBSERVATION ON SITUATION WITH LESS THAN TRANSPARENT WORLD OF AUCTIONEERS

I agree. But doesnt BONGO find the AM prices at auction high when compared to Ebay (as per my post) ?