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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by urbanangel on Feb 27, 2009 2:40:42 GMT 1, It definitely has some bearing, as people will say "oh he was able to achieve this much at Sotheby's" or "oh he didn't do too well at Sotheby's" as a justification for their decision to invest or not invest. They are not gonnna say "oh cocteau is in love with his Parla, so you should buy one" or "Parla is a true artist, unlike those spray paint geezers, so you should dump this in your pool room" Pretty much sums up the problem ...Every piece of art i have purchased was for the love of the image,wanting to have the pleasure of seeing it everyday.Bad result at Bonhams/Drewatts/ Christies/Sothebys ..who gives a sh*t, the art remains undiminished in my eyes.I am purchasing a canvas from an american artist ( not parla ) that has taken 2 years to organise,dollar is shot to bits,art market is on the floor...do I cancel..NO ..because I have wanted a work by this artist for years.Buy what you can afford and buy what you love then you never lose.
So you finally bought the JMB canvas eh...always knew you were caked!
It definitely has some bearing, as people will say "oh he was able to achieve this much at Sotheby's" or "oh he didn't do too well at Sotheby's" as a justification for their decision to invest or not invest. They are not gonnna say "oh cocteau is in love with his Parla, so you should buy one" or "Parla is a true artist, unlike those spray paint geezers, so you should dump this in your pool room" Pretty much sums up the problem ...Every piece of art i have purchased was for the love of the image,wanting to have the pleasure of seeing it everyday.Bad result at Bonhams/Drewatts/ Christies/Sothebys ..who gives a sh*t, the art remains undiminished in my eyes.I am purchasing a canvas from an american artist ( not parla ) that has taken 2 years to organise,dollar is shot to bits,art market is on the floor...do I cancel..NO ..because I have wanted a work by this artist for years.Buy what you can afford and buy what you love then you never lose. So you finally bought the JMB canvas eh...always knew you were caked!
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by cookiemonster on Feb 27, 2009 2:47:24 GMT 1, Without meaning to sound either patronising or condescending, Jose Parla has a much larger, global following than people realise. I would actually argue that the people that speak about him on the street art forums only represent a fraction of his market, especially when it comes to buying the work itself. There is certain things going on with Jose that most people simply aren't aware of. It isn't my place to say, but i can assure you that he is being collected by some of the most respected collectors world-wide. But most importantly of all, he is collected by some of the worlds leading contemporary artists themselves. For an artist like Jose to be collected by his piers, is a serious mark of respect. I totally understand why people would think that outside of the forums he isn't well known, but i can honestly say it's quite the opposite. Jose's is one of only a few that has a truly global following. As for the piece at Sotheby's, i think it will sell for between $50k and $75k USD, which by the time you add the 20%, plus the VAT on the 20%, could push it around the $100k mark. For an older piece, that would be a pretty respectable price and most certainly in-line with current pricing. His work has moved on leaps and bounds, and if you check the thread started by Vavavoom, you'll see some photo's of some pretty amazing work. Neate...well that's another story...i could go on, but feel i would get a battering
Did Damien Hirst buying all of Paul Insects works catapult Paul to stratospheric levels, did contemporary collectors, all of a sudden jump on the bandwagon?
I agree that money is/should be secondary when purchasing - however i do believe other than love for the piece, there should also be some other tangible reasons in your purchase making decisions.
Without meaning to sound either patronising or condescending, Jose Parla has a much larger, global following than people realise. I would actually argue that the people that speak about him on the street art forums only represent a fraction of his market, especially when it comes to buying the work itself. There is certain things going on with Jose that most people simply aren't aware of. It isn't my place to say, but i can assure you that he is being collected by some of the most respected collectors world-wide. But most importantly of all, he is collected by some of the worlds leading contemporary artists themselves. For an artist like Jose to be collected by his piers, is a serious mark of respect. I totally understand why people would think that outside of the forums he isn't well known, but i can honestly say it's quite the opposite. Jose's is one of only a few that has a truly global following. As for the piece at Sotheby's, i think it will sell for between $50k and $75k USD, which by the time you add the 20%, plus the VAT on the 20%, could push it around the $100k mark. For an older piece, that would be a pretty respectable price and most certainly in-line with current pricing. His work has moved on leaps and bounds, and if you check the thread started by Vavavoom, you'll see some photo's of some pretty amazing work. Neate...well that's another story...i could go on, but feel i would get a battering Did Damien Hirst buying all of Paul Insects works catapult Paul to stratospheric levels, did contemporary collectors, all of a sudden jump on the bandwagon? I agree that money is/should be secondary when purchasing - however i do believe other than love for the piece, there should also be some other tangible reasons in your purchase making decisions.
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by urbanangel on Feb 27, 2009 2:52:20 GMT 1, I don't understand you point? I never said anything about Hirst / Insect?
Hirst bought an entire show, that isn't collecting...that's shopping.
Parla has been collected over a number of years. One piece here, one piece there.
It's quite different.
And you're right, when spending a lot of money on a painting, you should do your research and know that if you need a get-out-of-jail card, you can turn that painting back into cash.
I don't understand you point? I never said anything about Hirst / Insect?
Hirst bought an entire show, that isn't collecting...that's shopping.
Parla has been collected over a number of years. One piece here, one piece there.
It's quite different.
And you're right, when spending a lot of money on a painting, you should do your research and know that if you need a get-out-of-jail card, you can turn that painting back into cash.
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by urbanangel on Feb 27, 2009 3:16:35 GMT 1, I hear you, and wasn't saying otherwise. I was saying something slightly different. I agree with what Hirst is doing and his Museum / Estate that he is filling with art will most certainly be a great collection of Contemporary works.
However, Jose has been collected by artists (plural) and also some very well respected Contemporary collectors. I'm not trying to say it isn't speculation, or course it is, and you could say that about any artist...look what's just happened to the Chinese artists for example.
Check his exhibition list here:-
www.artnet.com/Galleries/Artists_detail.asp?G=&gid=424443302&which=&aid=424640747&ViewArtistBy=online&rta=http://www.artnet.com
That doesn't include the Italy show or the NYC show in 2008.
Note the shows are in the UK, US, UAE, Australia, Japan, Italy and now we have Hong Kong coming up. That's pretty global in my opinion.
Not saying I'm right, but i truly believe that Jose is in a different place to many artists talked about on here.
Just my opinion...
I hear you, and wasn't saying otherwise. I was saying something slightly different. I agree with what Hirst is doing and his Museum / Estate that he is filling with art will most certainly be a great collection of Contemporary works. However, Jose has been collected by artists (plural) and also some very well respected Contemporary collectors. I'm not trying to say it isn't speculation, or course it is, and you could say that about any artist...look what's just happened to the Chinese artists for example. Check his exhibition list here:- www.artnet.com/Galleries/Artists_detail.asp?G=&gid=424443302&which=&aid=424640747&ViewArtistBy=online&rta=http://www.artnet.comThat doesn't include the Italy show or the NYC show in 2008. Note the shows are in the UK, US, UAE, Australia, Japan, Italy and now we have Hong Kong coming up. That's pretty global in my opinion. Not saying I'm right, but i truly believe that Jose is in a different place to many artists talked about on here. Just my opinion...
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by RBK on Feb 27, 2009 3:38:34 GMT 1, I never said anything about Hirst / Insect? Hirst bought an entire show, that isn't collecting...that's shopping.
Regardless of this thread - Andrew this quote made my day!
I never said anything about Hirst / Insect? Hirst bought an entire show, that isn't collecting...that's shopping. Regardless of this thread - Andrew this quote made my day!
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by urbanangel on Feb 27, 2009 11:48:16 GMT 1, LOL...I try my best.
How are you Robert? All things well that side of the water?
Hope all is good.
LOL...I try my best.
How are you Robert? All things well that side of the water?
Hope all is good.
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by manchestermike on Feb 27, 2009 11:55:09 GMT 1, Neate...well that's another story...i could go on, but feel i would get a battering
Please do... I'm intrigued...
Neate...well that's another story...i could go on, but feel i would get a battering Please do... I'm intrigued...
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by mike hunt on Feb 27, 2009 12:15:34 GMT 1, Neate...well that's another story...i could go on, but feel i would get a battering Please do... I'm intrigued...
Me too. Please Uncle UrbanAngel, tell us the story about Adam Neate!
Totally agree with you about Parla - not only does he seem to be respected and the real deal (imo), but he seems to have been managed in the right way for a proper career.
Neate...well that's another story...i could go on, but feel i would get a battering Please do... I'm intrigued... Me too. Please Uncle UrbanAngel, tell us the story about Adam Neate! Totally agree with you about Parla - not only does he seem to be respected and the real deal (imo), but he seems to have been managed in the right way for a proper career.
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by arcam on Feb 27, 2009 15:33:03 GMT 1, <--- gets the popcorn ;D
<--- gets the popcorn ;D
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by keysersoze on Feb 28, 2009 19:45:55 GMT 1, My bet is that the Parla goes for $35-45K (unless dealers get involved)
My bet is that the Parla goes for $35-45K (unless dealers get involved)
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by cashman on Feb 28, 2009 19:55:31 GMT 1,
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by loucastel on Feb 28, 2009 22:54:01 GMT 1, The biggest problem with this work is that it is ONE piece in an auction, no one will ever know the true value, because surely it is in the interest of many galleries to want this piece to fetch good money to justify the current prices of his work, read into this whatever you will!!!!
The biggest problem with this work is that it is ONE piece in an auction, no one will ever know the true value, because surely it is in the interest of many galleries to want this piece to fetch good money to justify the current prices of his work, read into this whatever you will!!!!
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by beasty on Mar 1, 2009 7:48:09 GMT 1, Lou - that's my fear as well. The thing which really grates with that is that I know I'll probably not be able to get a chance to collect any more of his work in future due to the high prices. I'll still enjoy going to his shows though and Elms always do a great job so it's not all bad, but as a collector it's a difficult pill to swallow.
Lou - that's my fear as well. The thing which really grates with that is that I know I'll probably not be able to get a chance to collect any more of his work in future due to the high prices. I'll still enjoy going to his shows though and Elms always do a great job so it's not all bad, but as a collector it's a difficult pill to swallow.
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by urbanangel on Mar 1, 2009 13:29:05 GMT 1, Does anyone know the going primary gallery rate for a 4x6?
ยฃ75k + VAT at last show.
Does anyone know the going primary gallery rate for a 4x6? ยฃ75k + VAT at last show.
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by urbanangel on Mar 1, 2009 13:33:26 GMT 1, The biggest problem with this work is that it is ONE piece in an auction, no one will ever know the true value, because surely it is in the interest of many galleries to want this piece to fetch good money to justify the current prices of his work, read into this whatever you will!!!!
Although i do agree with you, this piece is much older, and therefore it wouldn't be expected to reach the same kind of prices as the current work.
I still think it will be around the $50k USD mark, so $60k plus by the time you add the charges, etc.
Just my opinion, i could be completely wrong?
P.S. Remember last Oct a Water-colour sold at Dreweatts and reached around ยฃ12k all in, which was in-line with the current retail price at primary.
The biggest problem with this work is that it is ONE piece in an auction, no one will ever know the true value, because surely it is in the interest of many galleries to want this piece to fetch good money to justify the current prices of his work, read into this whatever you will!!!! Although i do agree with you, this piece is much older, and therefore it wouldn't be expected to reach the same kind of prices as the current work. I still think it will be around the $50k USD mark, so $60k plus by the time you add the charges, etc. Just my opinion, i could be completely wrong? P.S. Remember last Oct a Water-colour sold at Dreweatts and reached around ยฃ12k all in, which was in-line with the current retail price at primary.
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by keysersoze on Mar 9, 2009 17:12:52 GMT 1, Are any of you lovely forum members bidding on this piece?
Are any of you lovely forum members bidding on this piece?
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by EHC on Mar 9, 2009 18:31:36 GMT 1, I wonder how much shipping would be for a piece this big. I'm guessing a pretty decent amount. maybe a couple grand if overseas. It is 4ft tall and 7-8 ft long after all.
I wonder how much shipping would be for a piece this big. I'm guessing a pretty decent amount. maybe a couple grand if overseas. It is 4ft tall and 7-8 ft long after all.
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by Winter on Mar 10, 2009 8:41:01 GMT 1, Pretty sure this kicks off 2pm London time. Anyone here bidding?
Pretty sure this kicks off 2pm London time. Anyone here bidding?
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by manty on Mar 10, 2009 8:43:40 GMT 1, Not me, I cant feel the whole parla thing, hope it goes for $800,000 though, that would be fun
Not me, I cant feel the whole parla thing, hope it goes for $800,000 though, that would be fun
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by stjohn on Mar 10, 2009 9:03:11 GMT 1, My guess is 36oooUSD hammer. Anyway you look at it, it isn't going to go for what any collector would want it to! Regrettably very bad timing.
My guess is 36oooUSD hammer. Anyway you look at it, it isn't going to go for what any collector would want it to! Regrettably very bad timing.
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by chav on Mar 10, 2009 9:39:06 GMT 1, I reckon when they bring the piece into the auction room a partially sighted old man will crash through the fire door on a mobility scooter, he will then spin out of control and drive right through the middle of the painting, if this doesn't happen I will be amazed....
I reckon when they bring the piece into the auction room a partially sighted old man will crash through the fire door on a mobility scooter, he will then spin out of control and drive right through the middle of the painting, if this doesn't happen I will be amazed....
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by stjohn on Mar 10, 2009 9:49:30 GMT 1, Great idea chav. Working on it, but can't get a flight...
Great idea chav. Working on it, but can't get a flight...
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by Winter on Mar 10, 2009 10:41:37 GMT 1, I reckon when they bring the piece into the auction room a partially sighted old man will crash through the fire door on a mobility scooter, he will then spin out of control and drive right through the middle of the painting, if this doesn't happen I will be amazed....
I think the chances of that happening twice are pretty slim
I reckon when they bring the piece into the auction room a partially sighted old man will crash through the fire door on a mobility scooter, he will then spin out of control and drive right through the middle of the painting, if this doesn't happen I will be amazed.... I think the chances of that happening twice are pretty slim
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by slowmo on Mar 10, 2009 16:06:17 GMT 1, Cannae be fannied to look at that, if someone could post the result, many thanks
Cannae be fannied to look at that, if someone could post the result, many thanks
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by Winter on Mar 10, 2009 16:57:36 GMT 1, Still seems a way to go til the Parla
Still seems a way to go til the Parla
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by dynamixx on Mar 10, 2009 18:31:51 GMT 1, Sold for $41,000
Sold for $41,000
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by stjohn on Mar 10, 2009 18:32:22 GMT 1, USD 41,000 hammer USD 51,250 premium
USD 41,000 hammer USD 51,250 premium
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JOSE PARLA ORIGINAL AT SOTHEBY'S, by Francis on Mar 10, 2009 18:36:02 GMT 1, WOW....that's an awful lot of money. That's like 25 unsigned Banksy prints
WOW....that's an awful lot of money. That's like 25 unsigned Banksy prints
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