Banksy Radar Rat • Dirty Funker 12"

[avec art]

didn't you also just happen to 'come across' an equally suspicious Grin Reaper. Is there something you're not telling us?

[Rubberneck]

Lol.. edition number is completely wrong for signed and unsigned so I’ll go with fake

[tinkicker]

yes i did and much more,so i have come across something of an aladdins cave of prints lately which i am trying to investigate the true orgins of theses gems of gold or maybe lumps of coal....i am not trying to sell...there is a back story how theses prints were required but its not from the first source but i will tell that later...many of these prints are siged but not numbered and some do not even have a stamp but do have a signed but not ap or pp marking

[avec art]

so let me guess. You were walking in the forest and a little man in a small green pointed hat stepped out right in front of you and granted you three wishes?

[tinkicker]

i have nothing to hide but looking for sherlock to help me crack this one watson

[irl1]

Oct 13, 2020 22:03:40 GMT 1 tinkicker said:

yes i did and much more,so i have come across something of an aladdins cave of prints lately which i am trying to investigate the true orgins of theses gems of gold or maybe lumps of coal....i am not trying to sell...there is a back story how theses prints were required but its not from the first source but i will tell that later...many of these prints are siged but not numbered and some do not even have a stamp but do have a signed but not ap or pp marking

If these are worth anything you will be PM'ed by this lot, they can smell money a mile away 

[tinkicker]

here another one no stamp no number but signed

[kjg]

Is it by accident that your passport is visible in the picture?

[Pipes]

Oct 13, 2020 22:32:32 GMT 1 kjg said:

Is it by accident that your passport is visible in the picture?

😂😂

Mr Murphy.

Thought you’d be more careful after the socks !

To be fair he looks quite happy in the pic to have so many Banksy’s.

[Rubberneck]

Oct 13, 2020 22:32:32 GMT 1 kjg said:

Is it by accident that your passport is visible in the picture?

He does them too

[tinkicker]

Well hand on my heart that particular passport has more copies than MONKEY PARLIMENT

[kjg]

Maybe it’s better to blur it? If it’s real people know your name, your birthday and your passport number.

I know some real cool Russian guys who can do a lot of nice stuff with that kind of info :-)

[kaos]

Two problems here - 1. There is only one unsigned Radar Rat.
2. if you compare it to an authentic piece you'll see the feet are very different.
Which means this is a fake.

[sfnyc]

Does the red vortex look hand sprayed or screen printed?

[tinkicker]

to be honest i thought it was screened but could not be 100% on that one..will have to study it up close more

[avec art]

From the feet it does appear to be lacking detail, which is consistent with a genuine image being scanned then a new acetate created to make a copy and detail being lost along the way.

[kaos]

Someone has gone to a lot of trouble to defraud, not just producing a fake print but getting the POW stamp made.

[tinkicker]

[Pipes]

Oct 14, 2020 0:22:09 GMT 1 derivitive said:

A common move by counterfeiters is to share their work with "experts" as newly discovered or acquired in a strange way and get feedback as they go through iterations. Just a FYI.

Should he be a counterfeiter - he's also shared his passport 

[tab1]

Oct 14, 2020 0:22:09 GMT 1 derivitive said:

A common move by counterfeiters is to share their work with "experts" as newly discovered or acquired in a strange way and get feedback as they go through iterations. Just a FYI.

happens on the watch forums all the time and fb watch groups , asking for opinions on newly purchased items

[cest]

Oct 14, 2020 0:22:09 GMT 1 derivitive said:

A common move by counterfeiters is to share their work with "experts" as newly discovered or acquired in a strange way and get feedback as they go through iterations. Just a FYI.

I mean, through an AP on the corner and let's be done with it

[Skizz 82]

If they are counterfeit they are "well counterfeited". WCP's grim reaper isn't so good

[cosmic]

Has this forum seriously just become a how to Forge the perfect Banksy information database , how very sad

[met]

Oct 13, 2020 20:59:05 GMT 1 tinkicker said:

Hi was hoping someone around here could shine a little light on this print which i have come across,its not  signed but is numbered with pow stamp...is it a good fake or the real deal..thanks in advance

Oct 13, 2020 21:19:31 GMT 1 tinkicker said:

well in the end of the day i was going to ask pc but just said i would throw it out to the forum first,and Spenie should have a good knowledge of all that is Banksy so i think he might be right but before it goes in the folder of WPC i think i will run it by PC

Oct 13, 2020 21:38:34 GMT 1 tinkicker said:

here a close up of the stamp

Oct 13, 2020 21:46:04 GMT 1 dotdot said:

fwiw ...
it does looks interesting.... however - the size is slightly dubious in terms of scale.
pc - would have an idea and dare i say it a view , the rr/s is pretty well unheard of now a days (rr/u ... pretty well unknown.. craigf has seen one.. ! ) .. i remember one or two folks here had one.. but that is WAY back. (iirc foundation?)

good luck with your dig and let us know..

singerstu @coach met - thoughts ?

Oct 13, 2020 21:46:37 GMT 1 avec art said:

didn't you also just happen to 'come across' an equally suspicious Grin Reaper. Is there something you're not telling us?

Oct 13, 2020 22:03:40 GMT 1 tinkicker said:

yes i did and much more,so i have come across something of an aladdins cave of prints lately which i am trying to investigate the true orgins of theses gems of gold or maybe lumps of coal....i am not trying to sell...there is a back story how theses prints were required but its not from the first source but i will tell that later...many of these prints are siged but not numbered and some do not even have a stamp but do have a signed but not ap or pp marking

Oct 13, 2020 23:09:10 GMT 1 kaos said:

Two problems here - 1. There is only one unsigned Radar Rat.
2. if you compare it to an authentic piece you'll see the feet are very different.
Which means this is a fake.

Oct 13, 2020 23:36:45 GMT 1 kaos said:

Someone has gone to a lot of trouble to defraud, not just producing a fake print but getting the POW stamp made.

kaos is correct. This is a counterfeit Banksy Radar Rat, with a counterfeit Pictures On Walls blindstamp.

The attention to detail is at a level comparable to work churned out by a thief like The West Country Prince.


Multiple obvious tells exist. There follows just one example. Focus on the screenprinting, and ignore the spraypaint. tinkicker's fake is on the left. An authentic version is on the right:





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Sounds like this may have been a standard, even mundane, case:

1.  Fraudster spots a mark.

2.  Fraudster quickly recognises the naivety and knowledge limitations of their mark.

3.  Fraudster exploits that ignorance to offload fakes.


Very often, little more is required than a plausible fabricated backstory and basic psychological tactics.

The job of selling fakes is made simpler if dealing with someone who's blinded by greed or wishful thinking. Such a buyer smells of desperation; they can be played with greater ease.

Scammers may also feign being dim. The idea is to trigger and lower the guard of predatory buyers — i.e. those keen to take advantage of sellers who seem a bit clueless about what they appear to be selling (or about its true value if it were genuine). No doubt a scammer's rationalisation process is smoother in these cases than when they're ripping off "innocent" buyers.


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The Grin Reaper and CND Soldiers look dodgy to me as well, notwithstanding the competently-reproduced signatures.

Without having seen these two pieces in person, I wouldn't actually stake my home on them being fake. However, I would be comfortable placing a large bet, and giving the other side five-to-one odds.


If they are authentic, they were created using different, lower-resolution screens to the regular editions. But the likelihood of this being true seems remote.


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tinkicker — By all means, ask Pest Control Office for separate confirmation.


In my view, there also exists a duty to notify PCO of the following:

(i)  how you ended up in possession of these counterfeit Banksys;

(ii)  where and when you acquired them;

(iii)  from whom you acquired them, along with any other details available regarding chain of ownership / provenance;

(iv)  how much you paid for them; and

(v)  to the best of your knowledge, how many other such pieces exist from the same source(s), and/or are currently in circulation, and/or were offered to you for sale.

[Zippy]

Great post as always Met. Thanks for taking the time to write and share.

On reading this thread, I was going to say the RR is fake as only 1 x unsigned exists, but I would not have been able to word it as well as you have.

[saint]

So just to confirm re the unsigned.

There is only 1?

Is it numbered 1/1?

Hand sprayed like the signed edition?

[silvermyn]

Oct 14, 2020 11:02:32 GMT 1 saint said:

So just to confirm re the unsigned.

There is only 1?

Is it numbered 1/1?

Hand sprayed like the signed edition?

I believe that the u/s version is an edition of 25.

[Lroy]

Oct 13, 2020 20:59:05 GMT 1 tinkicker said:

Hi was hoping someone around here could shine a little light on this print which i have come across,its not  signed but is numbered with pow stamp...is it a good fake or the real deal..thanks in advance

Kind of threads that I don't open, as I had all the lps - now all sold - don't wanna know the prices ahah

[tab1]

Oct 14, 2020 14:53:50 GMT 1 Lroy said:

Oct 13, 2020 20:59:05 GMT 1 tinkicker said:

Hi was hoping someone around here could shine a little light on this print which i have come across,its not  signed but is numbered with pow stamp...is it a good fake or the real deal..thanks in advance

Kind of threads that I don't open, as I had all the lps - now all sold - don't wanna know the prices ahah

www.discogs.com/sell/release/1454822?ev=rb

www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=345849&ev=mb

www.discogs.com/sell/release/12216454?ev=rb

If you cashed in now you could buy a flags print

[Lroy]

Oct 14, 2020 15:11:25 GMT 1 tab1 said:

Oct 14, 2020 14:53:50 GMT 1 Lroy said:

Kind of threads that I don't open, as I had all the lps - now all sold - don't wanna know the prices ahah

www.discogs.com/sell/release/1454822?ev=rb

www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=345849&ev=mb

www.discogs.com/sell/release/12216454?ev=rb

If you cashed in now you could buy a flags print

not sure, that sellers - in particulary a switzerland galerist lady that made increased the prices 3 years ago - , will sell those at these prices...  Just wind, and eyeshadow glitter... Bullshit, we say in Uk no ?