[barry cilit]

Hmm.... For some reason, I can't think it is a Banksy.
With such a HUUUGE wall space, why would he use such a weak message/ concept?
this looks like an ad campaign using one of his older ideas.
Why would Banksy deliberately try and upstage Laz's show?
Is this Banksy moving more in to the "Brand" and less into the message?
are we seeing the "Vegas" Elvis effect here?
My mind mind is beginning to think it is by Banksy,
My heart is hoping it isn't.

[bullet]

i think its been coming for a while, he's been over there doing stuff and i think he has hit new york with Laz.

how is he upstaging anything, if anything he will be promoting it

[dslug]

I was there about 2 hours ago and work is still ongoing.I met the signwriters too,actually I was just about to bribe the car park attendant to turn a blind eye while I nicked one of the sketches off the elevator platform until I noticed the 2 guys with paint splatters standing way back looking at it.I have a photo on my phone which I will try to load in a sec.

The signwriters said they were under instruction to return the sketches.

[dslug]

[BONZO]

I was down there about 4o'clock today and was chatting to the two dudes (both Americans - neither of them were ginger!! ;D) they said they just got a picture and a paycheck and a location! I asked them if it was anything to do with Banksy or Laz and they were pretty cagey about the who's and why's and whatnot.

They gave me the impression that it was to do with something bigger!! - whatever that means...

I got some more pics if you want me to post 'em!!

[samo]

Thanks for the great pictures so far. Keep them coming

[Happy Shopper]

Fantastic.
Amazing that he can do something so big, and still keep anonymous. That's the talent.
Great image. To put something so throw away, so large is pretty funny.

[bullet]

he can keep anonymous because someone else is doing it while he sits back and drinks a cider (if you can find it in NY)

[raiden]

Could this be a NY show? Any thoughts?

[BONZO]

Here you go folks...

[BONZO]

you can just about see the picture the guys were given to 'copy'!!!



I got mug shots of them as well

[bs]

brilliant!!!!!

[thesewalls]

Sept 27, 2008 20:21:22 GMT 1 BK83 said:

Sept 27, 2008 20:06:25 GMT 1 hitme said:

I side with Silky, while also understanding Jon's comments.

Fact of the matter: if Banksy isn't up on that wall painting himself, then let's not call it a "BANKSY." If Banksy isn't doing this himself, then how is it any different than me downloading one of his stencils and spray-painting it on a wall myself?

Fair point. Although, you could argue that the actual art is the creation of the idea. How it is then transposed becomes irrelevant.

If this were a massive Nike advertisement (like the one shown on the colossal media website) is it still a Nike advertisement even thought Phil Knight isn't out there painting it or is it a copy of a Nike advertisement?

This is an advertisement for Banksy (as is all of his street work). I see no problem with him commissioning this work to be done. I don't see why anyone should. It in no way lessens the creative value of the art.

Ironically, this is a painting of a rat painting itself. Self-recognition is considered the highest form of intelligence. anyone else understand this irony?! By Banksy not painting this piece he references the art and the situation. The whole concept can therefore be considered a Banksy art project.

well said well said jaypaav. you too sabeth. also, his rats are usually like 'yo check me out represent represent'...carrying a message...right? here the rat's like 'huh whaa whaaaa???' - ambivalent and unsure. i'm late for a date and must leave right now, but will think more about this while i'm pretending to care what this ho is talking about in the meanwhile, anyone wanna comment on the deeper meaning of this piece? what does it mean to you???

[melfeasance]

Genuine Banksy : www.flickr.com/groups/banksy/discuss/72157606475185979/

"I’m always trying to move on. You’re not supposed to get dumber as you get older. You’re not supposed to just do the same old thing. You’re supposed to find a new way through and carry on. ... Anything that stands in the way of achieving that piece is the enemy, whether it’s your mum, the cops, someone telling you that you sold out, or someone saying, 'Let’s just stay in tonight and get pizza'.”

[Grubster]

the message is "he loves new york and think about it, A fat rat throwing down a stick figure piece w/ a i heart NY shirt...that is soooo freakin sweet....humor, boldness, statement, all Banksy!

think about how many ppl had 2 be involved and paid to make this happen if indeed it's a banksy.

[Grubster]

I've heard this could MBW from Romany who is in NY right too, just a thought not too sure tho

[romanywg]

Don't stir it grub. I have said nothing of the sort and am at home in the UK right now.
PS. MBW can't draw.

[barry cilit]

Hang on... the rat has no feet!!
IT MUST BE BANKSY!!
spent all night thinking about this one.
A rat on holiday in NY drawing on a wall... it's gotta be his new show!
BRING IT ON!!!
this is going to be AMAZING!

[tenminutesfromnow]

It's fab and very him. I was staying a block away from their recently and wish i could see it in the flesh.

[dodge]

Looks cool. Love his big stuff (oo er missus). Hope some more pop up.

[snakes]

Sept 27, 2008 20:06:25 GMT 1 hitme said:

I side with Silky, while also understanding Jon's comments.

Fact of the matter: if Banksy isn't up on that wall painting himself, then let's not call it a "BANKSY." If Banksy isn't doing this himself, then how is it any different than me downloading one of his stencils and spray-painting it on a wall myself?

As we have not seen Banksy painting any of the Banksy's we all know then maybe they too should not be called Banksy's as we have no proof that he painted them either!

[jam]

I am flying to NYC Oct 9-12th, suppose I should take a camera incase I run into any other Banksy stuff. Nice to see this on a wall that can't be removed like some of the ones in New Orleans were. I'd rather see them painted over than hacked up.

[graeme501]

im going to NYC in january so hope he gets lots more stuff up

[melfeasance]

This statement was attributed to Lazarides regarding his current New York show, The Outsiders, and Banksy's participation in it :

"No, there's nothing by him in the show at all. He's just planning his own big shows at the moment, so he didn't have time to contribute."

"Big shows."

"Big."

"Shows."

[Deleted]

Sept 28, 2008 13:41:56 GMT 1 melfeasance said:

This statement was attributed to Lazarides regarding his current New York show, The Outsiders, and Banksy's participation in it :

"No, there's nothing by him in the show at all. He's just planning his own big shows at the moment, so he didn't have time to contribute."

"Big shows."

"Big."



"Shows."

Also "Just" and "At the moment"

[guest2]

there has been rumors for a while about a banksy NY show so maybe this is the build up for it? And if it's 'Shows' with an 's' on the end - maybe he'll hang out there till xmas and do the SG08?

Who knows, looks exciting whatevers going on.

[melfeasance]

Whatever it is, I hope it's political, as in the November election.

[fuzzed]

Really like this image, great stuff. I'm sure all shall be revealed soon!

[Grubster]

Sept 28, 2008 7:52:55 GMT 1 romanywg said:

Don't stir it grub. I have said nothing of the sort and am at home in the UK right now.
PS. MBW can't draw.

Sorry, I stand to correct myself and I apologize, I read a previous thread wrong. There is an article talking about all these pop images showing up in NYC and they said it seemed like Banksy. Romany, then corrected them on another thread and said it was MBW; and I thought you knew that b/c you were in NY doing photojournalism for the LAZ show; I read wrong and my apologies Romany. guess I got a lit too excited about the possibility of a new Banksy.! PEACE

[oneeye]

TWO WORDS......


.......IT'S ON!