[bullet]

Just spotted a nice quote in the back of the blek book

Would like to thank Banksy for opening up the eyes of the world to street art; D*FACE for pushing it further;



good book by the way, i suggest everyone gets a copy. Some bugger has scribbled a rat in the front of mine and signed it Blek. Bastard. And he signed the bookmark...

Its amazing how much Banksy has stolen (cough) sorry, been influenced by blek

[giiiant]

my respect for Blek just dropped 38%

[giiiant]

and i wish i was joking

[bullet]

he did not acknowledge banksy.info so i doubt he really cares...

[giiiant]

i might write him an angry letter

[bullet]

X is an angry letter.

xxx...well thats just a different set of letters altogether

[gbh]

my respect for blek just increased 39%

[bullet]

whats this with all the percentages

[gbh]

end of financial year

[dslug]

Jun 6, 2008 0:25:52 GMT 1 @giiiant said:

my respect for Blek just dropped 38%

YAWN

edit:sorry that yawn was meant to be a joke although I mistook the poster I quoted for G-man who always types yawn.Sorry for seeming rude G poor joke in the wrong place.....Im off to kick my own ass.

[mcnuts]

Jun 6, 2008 0:25:52 GMT 1 @giiiant said:

my respect for Blek just dropped 38%

is there any left over? blek's new stuff looks like it was inspired by MS Office Clipart, thats who he should be thanking.

[jfury]

Jun 6, 2008 9:28:54 GMT 1 @mcnuts said:

Jun 6, 2008 0:25:52 GMT 1 @giiiant said:

my respect for Blek just dropped 38%

is there any left over? blek's new stuff looks like it was inspired by MS Office Clipart, thats who he should be thanking.

;D ;D

[pimp]

i read the title of this thread and presumed blek and D* were getting it on making the beast with 2 backs!!

LMFAO

[timba82]

it was a good book although would have been netter had it been an autobigraphy imo

[Daniel Silk]

Jun 6, 2008 0:27:26 GMT 1 bullet said:

he did not acknowledge banksy.info so i doubt he really cares...

Thats him of my Christmas card list ;D

[snakes]

I thought the book was pants, just as well I did not buy it. He may be the grandad of stencil art but does that make him any good? Take up your national past time blek any go on strike!

[bullet]

i think we should have a bit of respect for the man - no blek, no banksy, no street art just tags. zilch, nada, nufing.

i think he is owed alot.

[timba82]

I HEAR YA JBOY....GOOD POINT FELLA

[thebleedingedge]

It's a shit point because it assumes that without Blek people would not have used stencils, if the reasons Banksy uses to explain why he uses stencils are true, then he would have happened with or without Blek, Blek is one of the giants on whose shoulders Banksy stands, but I think Banksy would have been that guy if Blek wasn't. Banksy was after efficiency and got a contrasting style as a functional benefit, Blek was after contrast in his style and got efficiency as a functional benefit. You know what necessity is the mother of, and because they both had different requirements and neither needed a forerunner to exist, they both would have happened regardless.

Blek is like the Grandad, he can get pissed all day long and say what he wants because he was in the war (even though you know he was just a radio operator), nobody takes him too seriously, he paid his dues and as long as he isn't being a racist or getting his cock out round the Christmas table, just smile and nod.

[spirit]

Jun 6, 2008 13:52:47 GMT 1 thebleedingedge said:

It's a s**t point because it assumes that without Blek people would not have used stencils, if the reasons Banksy uses to explain why he uses stencils are true, then he would have happened with or without Blek, Blek is one of the giants on whose shoulders Banksy stands, but I think Banksy would have been that guy if Blek wasn't. Banksy was after efficiency and got a contrasting style as a functional benefit, Blek was after contrast in his style and got efficiency as a functional benefit. You know what necessity is the mother of, and because they both had different requirements and neither needed a forerunner to exist, they both would have happened regardless.

Blek is like the Grandad, he can get pissed all day long and say what he wants because he was in the war (even though you know he was just a radio operator), nobody takes him too seriously, he paid his dues and as long as he isn't being a racist or getting his cock out round the Christmas table, just smile and nod.

great post!

[Heavyconsumer]

Jun 6, 2008 13:52:47 GMT 1 thebleedingedge said:

It's a s**t point because it assumes that without Blek people would not have used stencils, if the reasons Banksy uses to explain why he uses stencils are true, then he would have happened with or without Blek, Blek is one of the giants on whose shoulders Banksy stands, but I think Banksy would have been that guy if Blek wasn't. Banksy was after efficiency and got a contrasting style as a functional benefit, Blek was after contrast in his style and got efficiency as a functional benefit. You know what necessity is the mother of, and because they both had different requirements and neither needed a forerunner to exist, they both would have happened regardless.

Blek is like the Grandad, he can get pissed all day long and say what he wants because he was in the war (even though you know he was just a radio operator), nobody takes him too seriously, he paid his dues and as long as he isn't being a racist or getting his cock out round the Christmas table, just smile and nod.

Super post ;D

[Heavyconsumer]

Jun 6, 2008 11:47:17 GMT 1 bullet said:

i think we should have a bit of respect for the man - no blek, no banksy, no street art just tags. zilch, nada, nufing.

i think he is owed alot.

Disagree strongly! Implies Blek is responsible for the birth of ALL street art EVERYWHERE, which is clearly not the case. OK, maybe there would be less stencil artists around today and maybe even LESS street at, especially in Europe, but that's just overcooking the goose.

[cashman]

Jun 6, 2008 13:52:47 GMT 1 thebleedingedge said:

It's a s**t point because it assumes that without Blek people would not have used stencils, if the reasons Banksy uses to explain why he uses stencils are true, then he would have happened with or without Blek, Blek is one of the giants on whose shoulders Banksy stands, but I think Banksy would have been that guy if Blek wasn't. Banksy was after efficiency and got a contrasting style as a functional benefit, Blek was after contrast in his style and got efficiency as a functional benefit. You know what necessity is the mother of, and because they both had different requirements and neither needed a forerunner to exist, they both would have happened regardless.

Blek is like the Grandad, he can get pissed all day long and say what he wants because he was in the war (even though you know he was just a radio operator), nobody takes him too seriously, he paid his dues and as long as he isn't being a racist or getting his cock out round the Christmas table, just smile and nod.

amen

[bullet]

as blek said in his book, before him all you could see was random scribbles on walls. If he did not start the stencil revolution...who did?

[Montubu7]

I'll be honest if i was Blek le rat i would also trade off the Banksy name mentioning it here there & everywhere.
Imo hes only of significance because he was one of the early stencil artists, his stencils i think are pretty poor ( apart from a few decent images)

The post from thebleedingedge pretty much sums it up for me.

[insite]

No Blek didn't invent stencils, they'd been widely used for decades before he started to work on the streets.

What Blek did do though was to change the way that they were used. He took a medium which had been used to produce propaganda that could sometimes be viewed as art and produced art which could be viewed as propaganda. I'm not sure if this is conceptual or philosophical (or even if there's a difference) but I do think it was an important milestone in the evolution of graffiti.

Much of Bleks work is conceptual as well, the shadow of a rat, the reproduction of classics in an outdoor environment instead of being confined in museums and his dancers performing in the streets.

Having lived on site for years these are concepts which appeal to my way of thinking, I've been a rat and I've lived parts my life outdoors more than under a roof.

You can not like his work, I don't like much of it myself but you can't dismiss his significance to this "scene" he didn't invent it but he did do things first, no Banksy didn't copy him but he did come after him and so in some way does owe him a debt.

[ricosg11]

Jun 6, 2008 11:47:17 GMT 1 bullet said:

i think we should have a bit of respect for the man - no blek, no banksy, no street art just tags. zilch, nada, nufing.

i think he is owed alot.

Yea except all the americans that were doing it first....Haring, Basquiat, Doze, Futura, Sabre...

[killerkellah]

Jun 6, 2008 15:46:19 GMT 1 @insite said:

No Blek didn't invent stencils, they'd been widely used for decades before he started to work on the streets.

What Blek did do though was to change the way that they were used. He took a medium which had been used to produce propaganda that could sometimes be viewed as art and produced art which could be viewed as propaganda. I'm not sure if this is conceptual or philosophical (or even if there's a difference) but I do think it was an important milestone in the evolution of graffiti.

Much of Bleks work is conceptual as well, the shadow of a rat, the reproduction of classics in an outdoor environment instead of being confined in museums and his dancers performing in the streets.

Having lived on site for years these are concepts which appeal to my way of thinking, I've been a rat and I've lived parts my life outdoors more than under a roof.

You can not like his work, I don't like much of it myself but you can't dismiss his significance to this "scene" he didn't invent it but he did do things first, no Banksy didn't copy him but he did come after him and so in some way does owe him a debt.

great post.

[jon11]

to be honest off the street i really dont see ANY appeal to bleks work - it is so basic and almost meaningless - it's athena/ikea shat at best

respect for paving the way and inspiring many others but come on for fuck sake...



i'd rather my grandad had his cock out at the dinner table than this on my wall!

can we have some more alternative amusing titles and analogies for this one? Les Dennis bustin some cringe worthy moves at his daughters 16th springs to mind

[felix]

Jun 6, 2008 17:42:14 GMT 1 jon11 said:

i'd rather my grandad had his cock out at the dinner table than this on my wall!

Really? ;D