[Greg]

In a couple of hours im about to get my 2 banksy prints and a D*face print framed at a art framing shop, is there anything i should do or advise them before handing the prints over...

I've specified acid free mounting and uv light restricting/non reflective glass, but ive heard horror stories when prints have been framed.

Also, how can i cover myself if they were to f*ck up or mishandle a print?...

im nervous but i need to get these out of there tubes and onto a wall where they belong!

[manchestermike]

I'd imagine they should be insured... Make sure they know how much the prints are worth and ask them if they are insured before they start handling them
Also ask for confirmation of all the materials they are using in writing and make sure it is all acid free

[corblimeylimey]

Lots of info here

banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=careframing

Make sure they do it to conservation standard, and point out the value of the print, make sure it's NOT dry mounted.

Also make sure the prints have had a decent amount of time to flatten out before framing.

Handy if your framer is a member of Fine Art Trade Guild ( www.fineart.co.uk/ ) as they have set standards.

[dmandpenfold]

yep definitely tell them how much they are worth before they atart handling them, i had an experience where the chap in the shop was getting a little rough with the prints as he was inspecting them, nervous i then mentioned it was worth about 3k, he suddenly started treating them a whole lot more respectfully..

[Strange Al]

MM is right - they should have insurance to cover mishaps.

If you have time, it's worth taking some close up photos of the prints now. Not only are they useful if the framer damages them, but they're also helpful for your own home contents insurance.

If the prints are very expensive and you're using a framer you've not used before. I'd search for one who is a member of the Fine Art Trade Guild. The guild sets very particular standards for framing. If you take a look at their website (http://www.fineart.co.uk/) you can see the different standards of framing you can choose - all the way from "minimum" to "museum" level - and what exactly you can expect to get. Obviously, a true museum level frame job is going to be very expensive.

[Greg]

cheers guys, have took some photos of the prints and have already advised him of the prints worth on my initial visit, also being that the guy was quite old but was reading the wall & piece book as i went in for a quote, he knows his banksy and was keen on getting some originals in the shop to frame and look at!

but he did scare me when quoting prices by saying that he could trim one print down (morons)so it would fit the frame perfectly, now i'm still not sure if the guy was joking. I just stared at him and said... "ahem...NO!", think he could see the shock in my face!

but hopefully all will be well and aslong as i'd be/they are covered, all's good!
they should be hangin on my wall by saturday!

[dmandpenfold]

phoeton said:

.....but he did scare me when quoting prices by saying that he could trim one print down (morons)so it would fit the frame perfectly, now i'm still not sure if the guy was joking. I just stared at him and said... "ahem...NO!", think he could see the shock in my face!

i thought the idea was to make the frame to fit the print i hope he was joking

[corblimeylimey]

If your prints have been in the tube for the whole time it would be wise if they were left flattening at the framers for a week before they frame them, rather than picking them up Saturday.

[Run Pig Run]

corblimeylimey said:

If your prints have been in the tube for the whole time it would be wise if they were left flattening at the framers for a week before they frame them, rather than picking them up Saturday.

thats one of the most important things - the print ripples like fuck if it's gone straight from tube to frame.

[bristolmassive]

you boys have given me the jitters now.
I'm getting a couple of banksy's back from a framers at the weekend - I do hope they don't *uck anything up.
Didn't mention the cost of each print, just presumed they'd know that they're valuable
I'll let you know how I get on.

[romanywg]

I'm just about to invest around £500 in some framing equipment and do it all myself. In the long run it will save cash with all the prints I need to frame.

[bristolmassive]

romanywg said:

I'm just about to invest around £500 in some framing equipment and do it all myself. In the long run it will save cash with all the prints I need to frame.

shame I don't live in ealing anymore! I'd be knocking on your door ;D

[Greg]

well i lied, i did have them in a cheap habitat frames for a couple of weeks but then i put them into there tubes for the last couple of nights? hmmm

ohwell ive dropped them off now and im anxious like ive dropped my kids off at the nursery for the first time! hope there in good care

the print im worried about is "Flags" print, as it marks so easily, i did warn them roughly 6-7 times of this tho...

[Run Pig Run]

bristolmassive said:

you boys have given me the jitters now.
I'm getting a couple of banksy's back from a framers at the weekend - I do hope they don't *uck anything up.
Didn't mention the cost of each print, just presumed they'd know that they're valuable
I'll let you know how I get on.

it's differcult to say how much prints worth without coming across as either a liar or a show-off

[corblimeylimey]

phoeton said:

well i lied, i did have them in a cheap habitat frames for a couple of weeks but then i put them into there tubes for the last couple of nights? hmmm

ohwell ive dropped them off now and im anxious like ive dropped my kids off at the nursery for the first time! hope there in good care

the print im worried about is "Flags" print, as it marks so easily, i did warn them roughly 6-7 times of this tho...

I was really worried about my Flag print too, I kept telling them that it must be handled with gloves on, be very careful of creasing etc

[jam]

I have had a great deal of art framed over the past few years, from pieces worth very little to tens of thousands. The best advice I can offer is to build a trusted relationship with one good conservation framer and keep it! I remember how nervous I was leaving some expensive or delicate pieces to be framed but in the end I was more than happy with the job.
I have found the simplest gestures such as bringing coffee for the framer or people in the gallery to buying lunch for them all can insure your frame job is done with the up most care and sometimes at a discount. When you stop and think how they can be treated by pushy customers... these simple things will make you stand out and have a more personal relationship with them. Treat people in galleries and frame shops very well... it always comes back around!

[ctc2]

Funny story. I took my Morons to the framer the other day. I live in a small town in Texas and I guarantee that I am the only one around who actually owns some Banksys. A kid at the reception desk asked to look at what I was framing. Then he said "I never thought that I would see an original Banksy. Can I call some of my friends over to see it?" I wonder if I will ever see my print again?

[corblimeylimey]

jam said:

I have had a great deal of art framed over the past few years, from pieces worth very little to tens of thousands. The best advice I can offer is to build a trusted relationship with one good conservation framer and keep it! I remember how nervous I was leaving some expensive or delicate pieces to be framed but in the end I was more than happy with the job.
I have found the simplest gestures such as bringing coffee for the framer or people in the gallery to buying lunch for them all can insure your frame job is done with the up most care and sometimes at a discount. When you stop and think how they can be treated by pushy customers... these simple things will make you stand out and have a more personal relationship with them. Treat people in galleries and frame shops very well... it always comes back around!

You're buying THEM coffee!! with the amount we're spending on frames you'd think the framers would be giving US a champagne reception! ;D

[bristolmassive]

corblimeylimey said:

jam said:

I have had a great deal of art framed over the past few years, from pieces worth very little to tens of thousands. The best advice I can offer is to build a trusted relationship with one good conservation framer and keep it! I remember how nervous I was leaving some expensive or delicate pieces to be framed but in the end I was more than happy with the job.
I have found the simplest gestures such as bringing coffee for the framer or people in the gallery to buying lunch for them all can insure your frame job is done with the up most care and sometimes at a discount. When you stop and think how they can be treated by pushy customers... these simple things will make you stand out and have a more personal relationship with them. Treat people in galleries and frame shops very well... it always comes back around!

You're buying THEM coffee!! with the amount we're spending on frames you'd think the framers would be giving US a champagne reception! ;D

I'll say!!! 280 nicker my framer quoted me for my applause ...gonna have to find another way for that bad boy ;D

[dmandpenfold]

280 squid, how big is that print again? that's a fortune did you ask for anything special?

[®at]

corblimeylimey said:

I was really worried about my Flag print too, I kept telling them that it must be handled with gloves on, be very careful of creasing etc

Ditto
I grabbed a spare flyer at the ghetto so left that with him stating what it was. Looks great- the only flaws in it are the ones that were present already when I took it out of the tube..

[bristolmassive]

it's approx A0 size (1180x840) - didn't ask for too much, just a std mount with a white wooden frame. The extra is apparently due to the fact that the mount and glass is over size and has to be ordered in.
What I might do is buy a made to measure over the internet (about £100) then get my framer to mount it. I think the made to measure one's on the net use plexi glass rather than the proper stuff. Not sure you guys think about plexi glass being used on this size of frame?

[corblimeylimey]

I think you should be able to get your framers price down by about £100 if you shopped around, I just looked up how much mine cost, it was £209 and my framer isn't cheap, here it is...

[stuey09]

That's a very nice framing job Awkward picture to get right, I reckon, but that is spot on.

[dmandpenfold]

nice work CBL, what's happened to the bottom left corner of the frame did it take a knock?

[corblimeylimey]

dmandpenfold said:

nice work CBL, what's happened to the bottom left corner of the frame did it take a knock?

Yep, and the bottom right corner, my fault too
Luckily it doesn't notice on the wall as it's so big you stand back from it and are too busy looking at the image, the photo makes it look worse than it is.

[bristolmassive]

superb framing cbl - exactly how I want mine done. I'll carry on the search for a cheaper frame.

[carlito]

cbl is that normal or uv glass?

[corblimeylimey]

Normal glass, POW said on release of Applause that it was printed with lightfast inks and as it's not in direct sunlight anyway so should be O.K.

[carlito]

cool - framing is expensive!