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Am looking to get one of the new Neate prints that are cropping up on e-bay, but, as a matter of interest, would like to know what they went for at the Elms show.

[arcam]

tdeyes said:

Am looking to get one of the new Neate prints that are cropping up on e-bay, but, as a matter of interest, would like to know what they went for at the Elms show.

2am blog ed100 £900
the cold war continues ed100 £900
the deepend ed 100 £900
the bigger picture ed75 £1250
the queens special ed75 £1250
come on ed75 £1250
white self portrait ed 50 £1350
red self portrait ed 50 £1350
triptych with chair ed 50 £1500

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Cheers Arcam.

Do these prices seem high to anyone else??

I know they have gone straight onto Ebay for twice the original sale amount, but compare them with the original sale price of a Banksy or a Micallef.

Does this mean that Banksy and Micaleff (Micallef, can't remember or be bothered to check) are good guys who are making good money but aren't greedy, that Neate is not not greedy or that Elms is greedy.

Or what???

[slowmo]

Hmm, the last three micallefs prints were runs of 50 and cost £4700 each?

[Existencil]

Hey,

I think it's just that Adam Neate is good enough to justify the prices. Also, if you look at it from an investment standpoint (not that you should) then these prints could be become more valuable than anything Banksy & Micallef will ever produce. When people are talking about an artist in the same breath as Picasso, you have to take those prices on the chin!

Stuey*Esquire

[ABC]

Its not about greed its about trying to get the stuff to collectors, the galleries are trying to stop the flow on ebay, I know Paul from Elms was.

[Deleted]

Got me there.

I was thinking of the other lot that went for about 500 quid and the Banksy's that went for a few hundred quid.

OK, scratch Micallef from my theory and leave Banksy there.

[RBK]

tdeyes said:

Do these prices seem high to anyone else??

I know they have gone straight onto Ebay for twice the original sale amount, but compare them with the original sale price of a Banksy or a Micallef.

Does this mean that Banksy and Micaleff (Micallef, can't remember or be bothered to check) are good guys who are making good money but aren't greedy, that Neate is not not greedy or that Elms is greedy.

Or what???

You're kidding right? Prices aren't high at all - they barely had any to sell after the preview show and there were 9 prints!

Everyone needs to stop comparing Banksy/Micallef/Neate/Beejoir/etc. They are all different artists, with different gallery representation, with differing levels of talent, different PR vehicles, and different auction-house inclusion.

You obviously have had no dealings with Elms - as they are the least greedy people/gallery I have ever had dealings with in all my years of art collecting! And as an aside - that is one of the biggest reasons Mr. Neate chose them to represent him.

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Also not disrespecting anyone, just thinking out loud...

[mcnuts]

stuey1980 said:

Hey,

I think it's just that Adam Neate is good enough to justify the prices. Also, if you look at it from an investment standpoint (not that you should) then these prints could be become more valuable than anything Banksy & Micallef will ever produce. When people are talking about an artist in the same breath as Picasso, you have to take those prices on the chin!

Stuey*Esquire

banksy banksy banksy micallef micallef micallef warhol picasso --- all in the same breath

[slowmo]

No disrespect taken. The simple truth is that Banksy has undervalued his print work deliberately for some time. I guess a part of it is that he primarily sees himself as a street artist and is keen to be seen as this. If he priced his prints at £5,000 each they would sell out still, but how quickly and at what price to his reputation?

[iwouldfollow youanywhere]

tdeyes said:

Do these prices seem high to anyone else??

I know they have gone straight onto Ebay for twice the original sale amount, but compare them with the original sale price of a Banksy or a Micallef.

Does this mean that Banksy and Micaleff (Micallef, can't remember or be bothered to check) are good guys who are making good money but aren't greedy, that Neate is not not greedy or that Elms is greedy.

Or what???

-no they are very reasonably priced..

-elms are certainly not greedy

-buying fantastic art should hurt. If I had 30k I would want the 60k original..its part of being a collector, always push for the best

[wlsp4657]

I agree that the prices are high. The Neate reproductions are exactly that REPRODUCTIONS. The are just printed out from an high quality inkjet printer. There is no craft to the printing process and almost no labor. And that fact that you can get an OG street piece for less then the prints is unreal!. Adam Neate went from making free art, to making millions. I don't particularly like his work and I can't see how people are trading amazing OG art for an edition or signed inkjet prints ;D ;D ;D ;D

[manchestermike]

tdeyes said:

OK, scratch Micallef from my theory and leave Banksy there.

I don't think we will leave Banksy there for long.

I think at least one run of his next print will top £1,000

Also, what about the Soupcan prints at Laz?

Then there is the fact that none of the Neates was in a run bigger than 100

[bond]

Personally , although i am gutted i could'nt get to the gallery i don't think that the ebay prices are too bad considering .

The pieces are amazing ,some of the best i have personally seen by anyone for some time - ( my opinion so don't neg me if you don't agree !! )

most are reaching a 100 % markup for the seller but when you consider the quality and insane mark ups for other artists the value becomes a lot more relative.

Depends on the reasons for buying i guess . I just wish i had some more available funds so i could add to my " deepend "

[corblimeylimey]

bond said:

Personally , although i am gutted i could'nt get to the gallery i don't think that the ebay prices are too bad considering .

The pieces are amazing ,some of the best i have personally seen by anyone for some time - ( may opinion so don't neg me if you don't agree !! )

most are reaching a 100 % markup for the seller but when you consider the quality and insane mark ups for other artists the value becomes a lot more relative.

Depends on the reasons for buying i guess . I just wish i had some more available funds so i could add to my " deepend "

It's the scale though, a 100% Neate markup is around £1000 - £1500 other artists may make a 300% markup but the increase is only £300 or less.

[carlito]

wlsp4657 said:

I agree that the prices are high. The Neate reproductions are exactly that REPRODUCTIONS. The are just printed out from an high quality inkjet printer. There is no craft to the printing process and almost no labor. And that fact that you can get an OG street piece for less then the prints is unreal!. Adam Neate went from making free art, to making millions. I don't particularly like his work and I can't see how people are trading amazing OG art for an edition or signed inkjet prints ;D ;D ;D ;D

do you know what I couldn't care less what printing process is used...they look absolutely superb, the images are some of the best I've seen in a very long time, all are very limited runs, are all signed, and he's the top upcoming artist in the UK (in my opinion)... so I'm not complaining at the money Elms and Adam have made they're alot more deserving than others i can think of...

[mwjm0]

if they cost £900 at the gallery and you can only flog them for £450 on ebay they are overpriced. If you can double or triple your outlay as soon as you've paid how can the initial cost look high? Elms Lesters could have charged £3000 per print and they would have sold out just as quick.

[bond]

Just out of interest for a newish Neate fan - could one of you more enlightened forum members pls let me know how long he's been producing available work ? Not long i believe but excuse my ignorance if i'm way off

[RBK]

First prints were at the Elms show in Feb. 2007 - 'In Selected Stores Only'

His original work was been in group shows at Elms since 2006.

Previous to that he had some exhibitions with: Beautiful Crime & Spacejunk Gallery

[carlito]

street pieces etc around for a good few years prior to this, dating back to 2003 or so I think

[pezlow]

mwjm0 said:

if they cost £900 at the gallery and you can only flog them for £450 on ebay they are overpriced. If you can double or triple your outlay as soon as you've paid how can the initial cost look high? Elms Lesters could have charged £3000 per print and they would have sold out just as quick.

Not to me they wouldn't. It's all very well saying that the prints are cheap because they are going for double or triple that on ebay but if you want to keep the art that you buy the amount that the print is selling on ebay is completely irrelevant. There are clearly some seriously rich guys on this board who are prepared/able to drop £3k on art but I am not one of them.

Even if I'd been at the preview of the Neate show I would still have bought only one print because that is all I could afford.

[corblimeylimey]

From what I can deduce he's been leaving pieces in the street since around 2003/4

[mammal2]

pezlow said:

mwjm0 said:

if they cost £900 at the gallery and you can only flog them for £450 on ebay they are overpriced. If you can double or triple your outlay as soon as you've paid how can the initial cost look high? Elms Lesters could have charged £3000 per print and they would have sold out just as quick.

Not to me they wouldn't. It's all very well saying that the prints are cheap because they are going for double or triple that on ebay but if you want to keep the art that you buy the amount that the print is selling on ebay is completely irrelevant. There are clearly some seriously rich guys on this board who are prepared/able to drop £3k on art but I am not one of them.

Even if I'd been at the preview of the Neate show I would still have bought only one print because that is all I could afford.

Pezlow you look loaded to me. Dapper suit = nuff cash. I think you lie and have 18 ISA's on the go!

[corblimeylimey]

From the Elms Lesters web site, about the July 2006 show

"A new range of t.shirts and clothing from PRADA features Adam’s skilful line drawings and paintings."

Any one got any links, pics, availability, prices etc?

[iwouldfollow youanywhere]

wlsp4657 said:

I agree that the prices are high. The Neate reproductions are exactly that REPRODUCTIONS. The are just printed out from an high quality inkjet printer. There is no craft to the printing process and almost no labor. And that fact that you can get an OG street piece for less then the prints is unreal!. Adam Neate went from making free art, to making millions. I don't particularly like his work and I can't see how people are trading amazing OG art for an edition or signed inkjet prints ;D ;D ;D ;D

god its the 'inkjet' argument again.. who gives a crap? if the image is fantastic then buy it..

just because a screenprint is 'hand-pulled' doesnt make it more worthy

[pezlow]

Lol - having two kids quickly sucks up any disposable income mammal. I swear the little b*ggers get up in the middle of the night and clear out all my accounts.

[bond]

Thanks everyone - fountain of knowledge as usual !!! ;D

[mammal2]

pezlow said:

Lol - having two kids quickly sucks up any disposable income mammal. I swear the little b*ggers get up in the middle of the night and clear out all my accounts.

Ha, them or Laz!!!

[alderevans2007]

I agree. An inkjet has just as much intrinsic value as the original. People aren't paying for the materials used, they are paying for the image and what it represents