[kingdomcome]

good artist or good at graphic design?

[Daniel Silk]

Apr 14, 2008 12:33:54 GMT 1 kingdomcome said:

good artist or good at graphic design?

Both ;D

[kingdomcome]

Apr 14, 2008 12:35:07 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Apr 14, 2008 12:33:54 GMT 1 kingdomcome said:

good artist or good at graphic design?

Both ;D

thanks Silky, ever thought about being a panelist on Match of the Day?

[sand]

not again..

[dave313perry]

been done before plenty of times to no conclusion just differing opinions

for what its worth i think both - more so a good G.Designer

[kingdomcome]

sorry chaps, had no idea it had been done before.

personally i think hes a good g.designer with an artistic eye. can he paint or draw for shit? not too sure about that.

[Daniel Silk]

Apr 14, 2008 12:36:16 GMT 1 kingdomcome said:

Apr 14, 2008 12:35:07 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Both ;D

thanks Silky, ever thought about being a panelist on Match of the Day?

Cant do any worse then Mark Lawrenson ;D

[form01]

Good artist...... I don't know a graphic design that can sell a piece of there work for £350.
Yeah his style is very graphic, but you could say the same about a lot of Artist out there like shepard fairey.

[Daniel Silk]

Apr 14, 2008 12:39:05 GMT 1 kingdomcome said:

sorry chaps, had no idea it had been done before.

personally i think hes a good g.designer with an artistic eye. can he paint or draw for s**t? not too sure about that.

I think most people would agree he's more of a Graphic Artist, but I would say Warhol was too! and he aint done to bad ;D

[kingdomcome]

Apr 14, 2008 12:42:07 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Apr 14, 2008 12:39:05 GMT 1 kingdomcome said:

sorry chaps, had no idea it had been done before.

personally i think hes a good g.designer with an artistic eye. can he paint or draw for s**t? not too sure about that.

I think most people would agree he's more of a Graphic Artist, but I would say Warhol was too! and he aint done to bad ;D

But Warhol didnt have an Apple Mac at his disposal?

forgive me if Im wrong, but cant most of DFace's work be produced on a mac?

[dave313perry]

Apr 14, 2008 12:39:25 GMT 1 form01 said:

Good artist...... I don't know a graphic design that can sell a piece of there work for £350.
Yeah his style is very graphic, but you could say the same about a lot of Artist out there like shepard fairey.

i think people forgot the fact that DFace is a graphic designer by trade and profession. he has progressed his work onto the street but im sure he would tell you himself the basis of his work is graphic design theres no debate here just accept his work as it appears, you like it or you dont, pay his prices or dont, theres no denying hes popular

[minr]

Apr 14, 2008 12:39:25 GMT 1 form01 said:

...... I don't know a graphic design that can sell a piece of there work for £350.

Build........ The Designers Republic............ etc

[form01]

So if you use a Mac you are what ??

[killerkellah]

Apr 14, 2008 12:39:25 GMT 1 form01 said:

Good artist...... I don't know a graphic design that can sell a piece of there work for £350.
Yeah his style is very graphic, but you could say the same about a lot of Artist out there like shepard fairey.

Paul Insect

[blackbeltjones]

the designers republic need to update their website.. they've had the same one for years.

[Guest]

obviously a "street mac graphic design artist"

[kingdomcome]

Apr 14, 2008 12:45:32 GMT 1 form01 said:

So if you use a Mac you are what ??

A Mac user.

On a serious note, isnt it easier to pass yourself off as an artist with the advancement of technology without ever having picked up a paint brush?

I think so, its lazy art in a way, though it doesnt of course make it less vaild.

[Daniel Silk]

Apr 14, 2008 12:42:53 GMT 1 kingdomcome said:

Apr 14, 2008 12:42:07 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I think most people would agree he's more of a Graphic Artist, but I would say Warhol was too! and he aint done to bad ;D

But Warhol didnt have an Apple Mac at his disposal?

forgive me if Im wrong, but cant most of DFace's work be produced on a mac?

I bet he would if he was around ;D

Reminds me of a programme on Gilbert & George from a few months back. I would say their work was pretty Graphic in more ways than one and their studio had a load of Macs and large scale HP printers.

[Guest]

Apr 14, 2008 12:45:32 GMT 1 form01 said:

So if you use a Mac you are what ??

a non pc user?

[kingdomcome]

Apr 14, 2008 12:48:43 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Apr 14, 2008 12:42:53 GMT 1 kingdomcome said:

But Warhol didnt have an Apple Mac at his disposal?

forgive me if Im wrong, but cant most of DFace's work be produced on a mac?

I bet he would if he was around ;D

Reminds me of a programme on Gilbert & George from a few months back. I would say their work was pretty Graphic in more ways than one and their studio had a load of Macs and large scale HP printers.

good point Silky,

[GD303uk]

Apr 14, 2008 12:48:59 GMT 1 @ronhill said:

Apr 14, 2008 12:45:32 GMT 1 form01 said:

So if you use a Mac you are what ??

a non pc user?

;D ;D

[Winter]

A Mac is just a tool

[dave313perry]

Apr 14, 2008 13:00:31 GMT 1 Winter said:

A Mac is just a tool

Il go with that - does that officially make me an artist? can i get a red star? ;D

[kingdomcome]

Apr 14, 2008 13:00:31 GMT 1 Winter said:

A Mac is just a tool

Mac is not a tool, he is a decent sort of chap!

[pezlow]

Apr 14, 2008 12:47:48 GMT 1 kingdomcome said:

On a serious note, isnt it easier to pass yourself off as an artist with the advancement of technology without ever having picked up a paint brush?

I think so, its lazy art in a way, though it doesnt of course make it less vaild.

That's a very old fashioned view about what an artist should be. Long before the computer was in public use artists had shied away from the traditional media of paint on canvas. It sure as hell doesn't make them lazy.

Look at it this way. Let's say you are an artists who paints wildlife. What's the creative process that goes on in your head when you are painting, say, a tiger. Do you think - Right I am now going to paint the best tiger that has ever been painted, it is going to be so much better than the 10,000 other tigers that have been painted by artists before me.

Now compare that with the conceptual art of today, or minimalism, or cubism or indeed any art that challenged the boundaries of what is art - it's all about new thought and new ideas. To think up something novel and thought provoking is not lazy, however quickly you are then able to execute the idea.

[Graffiti Prints]

D does use a mac so what!! he can draw.

i have some hand drawn stuff and hand painted stuff which is very good.

[mike hunt]

For me its not how you do it - its the result that counts. An artist doesn't have to use (or not use) specific tools/techniques to create art. It wasn't too long ago that many considered stencil techniques not to be art. Street art has changed what people precieve as art, and this will continue to change.

[kingdomcome]

Apr 14, 2008 13:35:07 GMT 1 pezlow said:

Apr 14, 2008 12:47:48 GMT 1 kingdomcome said:

On a serious note, isnt it easier to pass yourself off as an artist with the advancement of technology without ever having picked up a paint brush?

I think so, its lazy art in a way, though it doesnt of course make it less vaild.

That's a very old fashioned view about what an artist should be. Long before the computer was in public use artists had shied away from the traditional media of paint on canvas. It sure as hell doesn't make them lazy.

Look at it this way. Let's say you are an artists who paints wildlife. What's the creative process that goes on in your head when you are painting, say, a tiger. Do you think - Right I am now going to paint the best tiger that has ever been painted, it is going to be so much better than the 10,000 other tigers that have been painted by artists before me.

Now compare that with the conceptual art of today, or minimalism, or cubism or indeed any art that challenged the boundaries of what is art - it's all about new thought and new ideas. To think up something novel and thought provoking is not lazy, however quickly you are then able to execute the idea.

he obviously has an artistic eye and in that sense he is an artist, but is he as talented as someone who doesnt need rely on computers to turn that thought into an image.

anyone can learn to use photoshop etc well, not everyone can learn to paint or draw to a high standard..

without this technology where would he be?

[pezlow]

I'm not really talking about Dface but more your definition of what an artist is - i.e. someone who can paint or draw to a high standard. As I said before that's a pretty old-fashioned view of what an artist is.

[hanky]

without this technology where would he be?

France

or is that without any rules where would we be?