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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by alsbabar on Sept 4, 2008 8:40:29 GMT 1, but pest control DO NOT authenticate street pieces - that is the point!!!
but pest control DO NOT authenticate street pieces - that is the point!!!
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by alsbabar on Sept 4, 2008 8:43:21 GMT 1, yes alsbabar, authentication is for the most part irrelevant to me. aginghippie i appreciate the words. the comment was a bit tongue in cheek. i do believe you can do better than 'in the style of...' if the right information is/was available to you. for instance, i have a Faile wheat paste on wood from the street that i bought off a neighborhood artist (Failes studio is right around the corner). i had seen this exact piece in the street and have pictures of it in its original location. i also have pictures of it missing. the wall is now gone entirely, and a new building on its way up. i know we're not talking about Banksy here, but the concept remains the same...loosely. i know it's the real deal. if it wasn't already hanging on my wall and it came up in auction, i would bid confidently regardless of provenance. but again, this is a very specific example...how much it applies to this thread i of course can't exactly say...you see where i'm coming from though at least, yes?
but can you 100% prove to any potential buyer that is a genuine Faile piece? Without the watertight, bombproof, authentication from the artist you have something that is worth nothing!!!
Just because you say it is so, doesnt make it so
yes alsbabar, authentication is for the most part irrelevant to me. aginghippie i appreciate the words. the comment was a bit tongue in cheek. i do believe you can do better than 'in the style of...' if the right information is/was available to you. for instance, i have a Faile wheat paste on wood from the street that i bought off a neighborhood artist (Failes studio is right around the corner). i had seen this exact piece in the street and have pictures of it in its original location. i also have pictures of it missing. the wall is now gone entirely, and a new building on its way up. i know we're not talking about Banksy here, but the concept remains the same...loosely. i know it's the real deal. if it wasn't already hanging on my wall and it came up in auction, i would bid confidently regardless of provenance. but again, this is a very specific example...how much it applies to this thread i of course can't exactly say...you see where i'm coming from though at least, yes? but can you 100% prove to any potential buyer that is a genuine Faile piece? Without the watertight, bombproof, authentication from the artist you have something that is worth nothing!!! Just because you say it is so, doesnt make it so |
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by Pattycakes on Sept 4, 2008 10:53:55 GMT 1, I have met Ben Hanley and Grham Snow on a number of occasions, they are about the most egregious pair of faux art specialists I've ever met - and believe me when I say I've met a few. Lyon and Turnbull are a fairly low key operation, who are trying to branch out and tackle the big boys. Unfortunately they can't compete with getting in decent consignments, particularly Banksy, who would make them a big slice of money if they were able to sell his work - so Ben n Graham decide to dream up Vermin to "authenticate" the pieces that Pest control will not.
Clearly what they are hoping is that people will consign pest control authenticated pieces on the back of the publicity the vermin statement has created. Surely no-one in their right mind is going to purchase something with this false authentication attached? Then again greed has a way of clouding peoples judgement so I am sure that they will. I just hope that Pest control take them to court, I think that they probably would have grounds to.
I have met Ben Hanley and Grham Snow on a number of occasions, they are about the most egregious pair of faux art specialists I've ever met - and believe me when I say I've met a few. Lyon and Turnbull are a fairly low key operation, who are trying to branch out and tackle the big boys. Unfortunately they can't compete with getting in decent consignments, particularly Banksy, who would make them a big slice of money if they were able to sell his work - so Ben n Graham decide to dream up Vermin to "authenticate" the pieces that Pest control will not.
Clearly what they are hoping is that people will consign pest control authenticated pieces on the back of the publicity the vermin statement has created. Surely no-one in their right mind is going to purchase something with this false authentication attached? Then again greed has a way of clouding peoples judgement so I am sure that they will. I just hope that Pest control take them to court, I think that they probably would have grounds to.
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by alsbabar on Sept 4, 2008 11:24:56 GMT 1, what would be interesting to see, are the statements and how fast they will come out, from the likes of Dreweatts, Bonhams etc make, as no doubt they will want to ensure they keep a close working relationship with Pest Control for future auctions, and they will probably distance themselves from this unauthorised source.
what would be interesting to see, are the statements and how fast they will come out, from the likes of Dreweatts, Bonhams etc make, as no doubt they will want to ensure they keep a close working relationship with Pest Control for future auctions, and they will probably distance themselves from this unauthorised source.
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by mammal2 on Sept 4, 2008 11:38:24 GMT 1, i'd love to hear laz's view on this. apparently there's a couple well known large street pieces going to this auction but the main cover on the flyer is of a rat on bollard street piece valued at £30-40k, i'd be VERY worried about that one!
As legit as they come this one. Belongs to a guy called Jon from Jockey Slut aka co-founder of POW. I bet Pest Control will sort this out no worries. oi oi
i'd love to hear laz's view on this. apparently there's a couple well known large street pieces going to this auction but the main cover on the flyer is of a rat on bollard street piece valued at £30-40k, i'd be VERY worried about that one! As legit as they come this one. Belongs to a guy called Jon from Jockey Slut aka co-founder of POW. I bet Pest Control will sort this out no worries. oi oi |
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by graeme501 on Sept 4, 2008 13:07:30 GMT 1, i doubt that they will authenticate any old shit, lyon and turnbull are a major auction house, and any piece that they put their name to will have to have a rock solid story behind it, be pictures in a banksy book ect ...
do u honestly think that the any of the pieces of ebay would get this authentication? this process will just be confirming what people already know when they see a banksy street piece that is authentic
i doubt that they will authenticate any old shit, lyon and turnbull are a major auction house, and any piece that they put their name to will have to have a rock solid story behind it, be pictures in a banksy book ect ...
do u honestly think that the any of the pieces of ebay would get this authentication? this process will just be confirming what people already know when they see a banksy street piece that is authentic
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by doublehelix on Sept 4, 2008 13:39:42 GMT 1, Ben Hanley and Graham Snow are going completely against the artist's wishes. They have picked a very fitting name for their bogus COA enterprise.
Ben Hanley and Graham Snow are going completely against the artist's wishes. They have picked a very fitting name for their bogus COA enterprise.
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by Pattycakes on Sept 4, 2008 14:41:29 GMT 1, I've been told under good authority that there will be a statement and some pretty serious repercussions from Pest Control and the Banksy camp. Seriously how could Lyon and Turnbull think that they could act against the artist's wishes so blatantly and set up some psuedo authentication board to "authenticate" street pieces. Utter nonsense and abject arrogance, the only person who can authenticate the work is the artist himself. I really hope the pair of them get their comeuppance!
I've been told under good authority that there will be a statement and some pretty serious repercussions from Pest Control and the Banksy camp. Seriously how could Lyon and Turnbull think that they could act against the artist's wishes so blatantly and set up some psuedo authentication board to "authenticate" street pieces. Utter nonsense and abject arrogance, the only person who can authenticate the work is the artist himself. I really hope the pair of them get their comeuppance!
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by Daniel Silk on Sept 4, 2008 14:41:36 GMT 1, I have just had this information forwarded to me from a VERY reliable source, and got the OK to make it public -
Needless to say Vermin have nothing to do with PCO or Banksy.It seems inconceivable that you can just create your own authentication board that has no contact whatsoever with the LIVING artist.
PCO have spent the past 8 months building a data base and cataloging the artists' body of work. We hold the only existing records of commercial sale and have the only comprehensive library of photographs of each of his images dating back to inception.
We cross reference every piece that is sent through to us from every auction house, dealer and collector all over the world.
We show each piece that does not cross reference to the Artist who can tell instantly if a work is authentic or not.
We do not authenticate street pieces due to the fact that Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art.
In addition, it is well known that you can buy a large selection of Banksy stencils on ebay for £2.99. We have found that the majority of street pieces, especially ones on street furniture are in fact fakes.
Since we set up Pest Control 8 months ago we have come across 89 fake street pieces and have pulled 62 fake Banksy works from circulation along with 137 fake Banksy prints, these have all been determined by the Artist himself.
The majority of these pieces have been pulled from auction houses and reputable galleries where trained 'experts' are hired to consign such works.
It is absolutely ridiculous that a panel of unknown, so called "experts", can offer the same service that PCO do.
As always in the secondary market "Buyer Beware".
I have just had this information forwarded to me from a VERY reliable source, and got the OK to make it public -
Needless to say Vermin have nothing to do with PCO or Banksy.It seems inconceivable that you can just create your own authentication board that has no contact whatsoever with the LIVING artist.
PCO have spent the past 8 months building a data base and cataloging the artists' body of work. We hold the only existing records of commercial sale and have the only comprehensive library of photographs of each of his images dating back to inception.
We cross reference every piece that is sent through to us from every auction house, dealer and collector all over the world.
We show each piece that does not cross reference to the Artist who can tell instantly if a work is authentic or not.
We do not authenticate street pieces due to the fact that Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art.
In addition, it is well known that you can buy a large selection of Banksy stencils on ebay for £2.99. We have found that the majority of street pieces, especially ones on street furniture are in fact fakes.
Since we set up Pest Control 8 months ago we have come across 89 fake street pieces and have pulled 62 fake Banksy works from circulation along with 137 fake Banksy prints, these have all been determined by the Artist himself.
The majority of these pieces have been pulled from auction houses and reputable galleries where trained 'experts' are hired to consign such works.
It is absolutely ridiculous that a panel of unknown, so called "experts", can offer the same service that PCO do.
As always in the secondary market "Buyer Beware".
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by doublehelix on Sept 4, 2008 14:46:00 GMT 1, "Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art."
Amen to that.
"Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art."
Amen to that.
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by alsbabar on Sept 4, 2008 15:40:17 GMT 1, the supposed committe that is Vermin are the same people that own.............Bankrobber - rename it to Banksyrobbers
the supposed committe that is Vermin are the same people that own.............Bankrobber - rename it to Banksyrobbers
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by bradpitt on Sept 4, 2008 15:48:12 GMT 1, They also bought a piece for a huge sum of money at auction, maybe they want to authenticate it
www.flickr.com/photos/normko/2583250553/
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by alsbabar on Sept 4, 2008 15:55:11 GMT 1, that was the piece as a collective bought at Bonhams in february
that was the piece as a collective bought at Bonhams in february
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by bradpitt on Sept 4, 2008 15:55:36 GMT 1, the supposed committe that is Vermin are the same people that own.............Bankrobber - rename it to Banksyrobbers
Funny. How long did it take you to come up with that one 
the supposed committe that is Vermin are the same people that own.............Bankrobber - rename it to Banksyrobbers Funny. How long did it take you to come up with that one |
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by bradpitt on Sept 4, 2008 15:58:02 GMT 1, that was the piece as a collective bought at Bonhams in february
Yes, it was once hanging in a local nightclub, a very wise choice to keep it by the owner!
that was the piece as a collective bought at Bonhams in february Yes, it was once hanging in a local nightclub, a very wise choice to keep it by the owner! |
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by havana07 on Sept 4, 2008 16:13:09 GMT 1, the supposed committe that is Vermin are the same people that own.............Bankrobber - rename it to Banksyrobbers
If that's true then indeed they are fucking idiots because Bankrobber know fuck all!
the supposed committe that is Vermin are the same people that own.............Bankrobber - rename it to Banksyrobbers If that's true then indeed they are fucking idiots because Bankrobber know fuck all! |
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by ratboy on Sept 4, 2008 16:16:24 GMT 1, Good work Silky. You the man.
Good work Silky. You the man.
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by ejvaze on Sept 4, 2008 16:26:37 GMT 1, There is a throughly genuine authentication process in action already as stated in silkys posting fully approved by the artist called Pest Control
Any other authentication process is an impostor and not worth the paper it is written on so Caveat emptor
If it is worth it, anything can be faked.
Only Pest Control has the right to say if it is genuine or not
There are no experts other than Pest Control
Do we want the artist to continue to do work on the street ?
This could jeopardise this.
There is a throughly genuine authentication process in action already as stated in silkys posting fully approved by the artist called Pest Control
Any other authentication process is an impostor and not worth the paper it is written on so Caveat emptor
If it is worth it, anything can be faked.
Only Pest Control has the right to say if it is genuine or not
There are no experts other than Pest Control
Do we want the artist to continue to do work on the street ?
This could jeopardise this.
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by buffin on Sept 4, 2008 17:00:54 GMT 1, Looks like Lyon & Turnbul have backed the wrong horse here!
Looks like Lyon & Turnbul have backed the wrong horse here!
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by mammal2 on Sept 4, 2008 17:04:00 GMT 1, What Vazie said.
What Vazie said.
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by lee3 on Sept 4, 2008 17:04:25 GMT 1, Whew, thanks for the info all. That artnet article shed some more light and now that response that Silky posted. I would think that Banksy and PC have the right to file suit in court to prevent nonsense like this.
Regardless, art history has shown us time and time again that only authenticated works of any artist have real value. I'm glad to learn that Vermin is not an authorized authentication service and they will disapear almost as quickly as they formed is my guess. Probably a quick way to sell these lots at auction and then get shut down via due process. This is what SUCKscess is all about and I feel for everyone in the Banksy camp that has to deal with this BS and waste of time. Only a fool would buy these lots if they think there is much financial upside. If you want the image, great, but know that long term these will be viewed price wise just like forged works and that is at a STEEP discount to anything authenticated.
Whew, thanks for the info all. That artnet article shed some more light and now that response that Silky posted. I would think that Banksy and PC have the right to file suit in court to prevent nonsense like this.
Regardless, art history has shown us time and time again that only authenticated works of any artist have real value. I'm glad to learn that Vermin is not an authorized authentication service and they will disapear almost as quickly as they formed is my guess. Probably a quick way to sell these lots at auction and then get shut down via due process. This is what SUCKscess is all about and I feel for everyone in the Banksy camp that has to deal with this BS and waste of time. Only a fool would buy these lots if they think there is much financial upside. If you want the image, great, but know that long term these will be viewed price wise just like forged works and that is at a STEEP discount to anything authenticated.
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by Pattycakes on Sept 4, 2008 17:29:30 GMT 1, I think Lyon and Turnbull thought they were being terribly clever trying to outsmart the current system, however in reality they have just displayed a real lack of understanding of street art, and what the artists and true collectors actually want. After this stunt I will certainly give them a very wide berth and am sure many others will also.
I think Lyon and Turnbull thought they were being terribly clever trying to outsmart the current system, however in reality they have just displayed a real lack of understanding of street art, and what the artists and true collectors actually want. After this stunt I will certainly give them a very wide berth and am sure many others will also.
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by Daniel Silk on Sept 4, 2008 17:31:39 GMT 1, I have just had this information forwarded to me from a VERY reliable source, and got the OK to make it public - Needless to say Vermin have nothing to do with PCO or Banksy.It seems inconceivable that you can just create your own authentication board that has no contact whatsoever with the LIVING artist.
PCO have spent the past 8 months building a data base and cataloging the artists' body of work. We hold the only existing records of commercial sale and have the only comprehensive library of photographs of each of his images dating back to inception.
We cross reference every piece that is sent through to us from every auction house, dealer and collector all over the world.
We show each piece that does not cross reference to the Artist who can tell instantly if a work is authentic or not.
We do not authenticate street pieces due to the fact that Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art.
In addition, it is well known that you can buy a large selection of Banksy stencils on ebay for £2.99. We have found that the majority of street pieces, especially ones on street furniture are in fact fakes.
Since we set up Pest Control 8 months ago we have come across 89 fake street pieces and have pulled 62 fake Banksy works from circulation along with 137 fake Banksy prints, these have all been determined by the Artist himself.
The majority of these pieces have been pulled from auction houses and reputable galleries where trained 'experts' are hired to consign such works.
It is absolutely ridiculous that a panel of unknown, so called "experts", can offer the same service that PCO do.
As always in the secondary market "Buyer Beware".
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I have just had this information forwarded to me from a VERY reliable source, and got the OK to make it public - Needless to say Vermin have nothing to do with PCO or Banksy.It seems inconceivable that you can just create your own authentication board that has no contact whatsoever with the LIVING artist.
PCO have spent the past 8 months building a data base and cataloging the artists' body of work. We hold the only existing records of commercial sale and have the only comprehensive library of photographs of each of his images dating back to inception.
We cross reference every piece that is sent through to us from every auction house, dealer and collector all over the world.
We show each piece that does not cross reference to the Artist who can tell instantly if a work is authentic or not.
We do not authenticate street pieces due to the fact that Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art.
In addition, it is well known that you can buy a large selection of Banksy stencils on ebay for £2.99. We have found that the majority of street pieces, especially ones on street furniture are in fact fakes.
Since we set up Pest Control 8 months ago we have come across 89 fake street pieces and have pulled 62 fake Banksy works from circulation along with 137 fake Banksy prints, these have all been determined by the Artist himself.
The majority of these pieces have been pulled from auction houses and reputable galleries where trained 'experts' are hired to consign such works.
It is absolutely ridiculous that a panel of unknown, so called "experts", can offer the same service that PCO do.
As always in the secondary market "Buyer Beware".
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by alsbabar on Sept 4, 2008 22:41:01 GMT 1, bumpety bump
bumpety bump
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by thesewalls on Sept 5, 2008 2:02:43 GMT 1, "Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art."Amen to that.
there is something very beautiful about this, and something...i don't know, unsettling. hasn't he sold images that were first on the street in an 'original situation', and are now hanging in peoples living rooms, with 'watertight, rock solid' pieces of paper filed away? bit of a power trip, saying it's not a work of art anymore. maybe just clever PR, like he's a saint. talking mad sh*t about the misuse of power and control...he doesn't own the streets either!
weaver well said earlier. it was hard for me to pay the guy, but it was worth it.
alsbabar it may be worth nothing in the world of art, but it fills my heart with a feeling more valuable than any amount of money, provenance or not.
FOR THE RECORD I'M COMPLETELY AGAINST ANYONE MAKING ANY PROFIT OFF ANY ART FROM THE STREETS!
"Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art."Amen to that. there is something very beautiful about this, and something...i don't know, unsettling. hasn't he sold images that were first on the street in an 'original situation', and are now hanging in peoples living rooms, with 'watertight, rock solid' pieces of paper filed away? bit of a power trip, saying it's not a work of art anymore. maybe just clever PR, like he's a saint. talking mad sh*t about the misuse of power and control...he doesn't own the streets either! weaver well said earlier. it was hard for me to pay the guy, but it was worth it. alsbabar it may be worth nothing in the world of art, but it fills my heart with a feeling more valuable than any amount of money, provenance or not. FOR THE RECORD I'M COMPLETELY AGAINST ANYONE MAKING ANY PROFIT OFF ANY ART FROM THE STREETS! |
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by aginghippie on Sept 5, 2008 2:04:05 GMT 1, yes alsbabar, authentication is for the most part irrelevant to me. aginghippie i appreciate the words. the comment was a bit tongue in cheek. i do believe you can do better than 'in the style of...' if the right information is/was available to you. for instance, i have a Faile wheat paste on wood from the street that i bought off a neighborhood artist (Failes studio is right around the corner). i had seen this exact piece in the street and have pictures of it in its original location. i also have pictures of it missing. the wall is now gone entirely, and a new building on its way up. i know we're not talking about Banksy here, but the concept remains the same...loosely. i know it's the real deal. if it wasn't already hanging on my wall and it came up in auction, i would bid confidently regardless of provenance. but again, this is a very specific example...how much it applies to this thread i of course can't exactly say...you see where i'm coming from though at least, yes?
I can see where you are coming. Provided the artist acknowledges that they created the piece (photos in books are best) and that you can establish a documented chain between the piece in situ and the piece on your wall you don't need certification.
Provenance is relative. People need differing degrees of comfort and you are happy from your research that it's real, for others though it may not be enough since there is no solid link to the artist - just a high probability. At current prices that may be enough but in the future as prices rise it probably won't be.
In the case of Banksy I doubt those street pieces are going to be cheap so the comfort level needs to be high and, frankly, with Vermin it isn't. I wonder what Vermin's indemnity insurance is like...
yes alsbabar, authentication is for the most part irrelevant to me. aginghippie i appreciate the words. the comment was a bit tongue in cheek. i do believe you can do better than 'in the style of...' if the right information is/was available to you. for instance, i have a Faile wheat paste on wood from the street that i bought off a neighborhood artist (Failes studio is right around the corner). i had seen this exact piece in the street and have pictures of it in its original location. i also have pictures of it missing. the wall is now gone entirely, and a new building on its way up. i know we're not talking about Banksy here, but the concept remains the same...loosely. i know it's the real deal. if it wasn't already hanging on my wall and it came up in auction, i would bid confidently regardless of provenance. but again, this is a very specific example...how much it applies to this thread i of course can't exactly say...you see where i'm coming from though at least, yes? I can see where you are coming. Provided the artist acknowledges that they created the piece (photos in books are best) and that you can establish a documented chain between the piece in situ and the piece on your wall you don't need certification. Provenance is relative. People need differing degrees of comfort and you are happy from your research that it's real, for others though it may not be enough since there is no solid link to the artist - just a high probability. At current prices that may be enough but in the future as prices rise it probably won't be. In the case of Banksy I doubt those street pieces are going to be cheap so the comfort level needs to be high and, frankly, with Vermin it isn't. I wonder what Vermin's indemnity insurance is like... |
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by thesewalls on Sept 5, 2008 6:29:13 GMT 1, agreed...comfort needs to be high and surely isn't with these monkeys. and like other people have touched upon, it looks like Vermin will be defunct very shortly. would have been funny being a fly on the wall for their meeting with their lawyers (and any brainstorming activities for that matter). seems like their excitement got the best of them, but hey, maybe they'll try and actually pull it off...
as always appreciate the words. where are you in NY?
agreed...comfort needs to be high and surely isn't with these monkeys. and like other people have touched upon, it looks like Vermin will be defunct very shortly. would have been funny being a fly on the wall for their meeting with their lawyers (and any brainstorming activities for that matter). seems like their excitement got the best of them, but hey, maybe they'll try and actually pull it off...
as always appreciate the words. where are you in NY?
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by thesewalls on Sept 5, 2008 6:31:50 GMT 1, I have met Ben Hanley and Grham Snow on a number of occasions, they are about the most egregious pair of faux art specialists I've ever met - and believe me when I say I've met a few. Lyon and Turnbull are a fairly low key operation, who are trying to branch out and tackle the big boys. Unfortunately they can't compete with getting in decent consignments, particularly Banksy, who would make them a big slice of money if they were able to sell his work - so Ben n Graham decide to dream up Vermin to "authenticate" the pieces that Pest control will not. Clearly what they are hoping is that people will consign pest control authenticated pieces on the back of the publicity the vermin statement has created. Surely no-one in their right mind is going to purchase something with this false authentication attached? Then again greed has a way of clouding peoples judgement so I am sure that they will. I just hope that Pest control take them to court, I think that they probably would have grounds to.
nicely painted picture printguru, good to have an 'insiders' view from NYC. thanks. and of course, i believe you!
I have met Ben Hanley and Grham Snow on a number of occasions, they are about the most egregious pair of faux art specialists I've ever met - and believe me when I say I've met a few. Lyon and Turnbull are a fairly low key operation, who are trying to branch out and tackle the big boys. Unfortunately they can't compete with getting in decent consignments, particularly Banksy, who would make them a big slice of money if they were able to sell his work - so Ben n Graham decide to dream up Vermin to "authenticate" the pieces that Pest control will not. Clearly what they are hoping is that people will consign pest control authenticated pieces on the back of the publicity the vermin statement has created. Surely no-one in their right mind is going to purchase something with this false authentication attached? Then again greed has a way of clouding peoples judgement so I am sure that they will. I just hope that Pest control take them to court, I think that they probably would have grounds to. nicely painted picture printguru, good to have an 'insiders' view from NYC. thanks. and of course, i believe you! |
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by anorak on Sept 5, 2008 12:41:01 GMT 1, 'Vermin' is an unofficial 'board' set up to line their own pockets by 'authenticating' what they believe to be Banksy pieces based on what they've seen in books. I've got a book about Damien Hirst (another living artist) - does that make me qualified to authenticate and pass off his work? No, because the correct process is to ask the people authorised and sanctioned by the artist. Vermin are just parasites trying to make a fast buck. If they are a commitee of established experts and art dealers why don't they name themselves?... they have no links with the artist after all.
'Vermin' is an unofficial 'board' set up to line their own pockets by 'authenticating' what they believe to be Banksy pieces based on what they've seen in books. I've got a book about Damien Hirst (another living artist) - does that make me qualified to authenticate and pass off his work? No, because the correct process is to ask the people authorised and sanctioned by the artist. Vermin are just parasites trying to make a fast buck. If they are a commitee of established experts and art dealers why don't they name themselves?... they have no links with the artist after all.
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funyoung
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February 2008
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VERMIN Authentication for Banksy Street Art, by funyoung on Sept 5, 2008 22:08:59 GMT 1, Usual spouting of rubbish i see.
On what grounds can anyone sue Vermin for giving their expert opinion on whether a work is real or not?
You can't sue someone for their opinion in this country. Maybe in some communist states you can but not here.
Get over the fact that Pest Control have left the door wide open to this purely as a result of their own inception.
The only resolution would be for Pest Control to start authenticating authentic pieces! Be they prints or 'street' pieces. (They choose not to)
Usual spouting of rubbish i see.
On what grounds can anyone sue Vermin for giving their expert opinion on whether a work is real or not?
You can't sue someone for their opinion in this country. Maybe in some communist states you can but not here.
Get over the fact that Pest Control have left the door wide open to this purely as a result of their own inception.
The only resolution would be for Pest Control to start authenticating authentic pieces! Be they prints or 'street' pieces. (They choose not to)
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