[Billy Sport]

Hi all

most of you will probably know, POW have added an authentication form, with a charge of £50 + VAT. I mentioned it in another thread, just wondered what peoples views are? how will affect the secondary market? will buyers require this before purchasing?

[rosstierney]

www.picturesonwalls.com/Authentication.asp

[Billy Sport]

thanks Ross, I really should put links up, would probably help!!

[smallbylo]

I think that it will be a musthave.

But... We will see the new market of the POWs Authentication fakes? (So Pow would have to authenticate the authentication and so on...)

I just can think of an email coming from POW to the mail of the buyer as an authentic proof...

[arcam]

Does this mean they're now sending out certificates of authentication with Banksy prints? Or are we going to have to pay for it?

[Nuno]

Jun 10, 2008 11:55:39 GMT 1 smallbylo said:

I think that it will be a musthave.

But... We will see the new market of the POWs Authentication fakes? (So Pow would have to authenticate the authentication and so on...)

I just can think of an email coming from POW to the mail of the buyer as an authentic proof...

Surely they will post something with a stamp and a sig rather than an email, i'd of hoped so for £50 anyway.

[pimp]

they warned that they would start this charging business if they received too many requests...

also you will notice the form closely matches that used by pest control, quelle suprise.......

[graeme501]

its the smartest move they can do, not only will it basically put a stop to fakes, as any buyer would want the print to have this, but they will be able to work out who flips the prints straight away and ban them, and the money can go to organising more things like cans

[Moron]

well received! This is a great move by POW!

[arcam]

Jun 10, 2008 12:00:50 GMT 1 Bidendum said:

i think its 50 for a certificate with a stampy etc. Money well spent, here here

To be honest though I think those of us who bought any of the LA editions/more recent Banksy's should be sent one for free as they really should have come with one. Or at least at a reduced price.

[They call me Stephen]

good point arcam...although i guess if you are the original owner you should have the email receipt as a way of proof

[graeme501]

but you only need it if you are selling it on, so if ur the original owner then ur making quite a bit of money

[pimp]

i think the point of this has been somewhat missed.

i take it as being a service for people who have older banksy prints they would like to sell, but never kept the email confirmations.

if you have the email then why would you pay 50 quid for an authentication document for something like a S&S?!

[rosstierney]

Jun 10, 2008 12:01:26 GMT 1 @graeme501 said:

its the smartest move they can do, not only will it basically put a stop to fakes, as any buyer would want the print to have this, but they will be able to work out who flips the prints straight away and ban them, and the money can go to organising more things like cans

has anyone actually ever been banned for flipping a print?

as long as an edition sells out, what do they care? i'm sure they've got more important things to worry about post sales.

[graeme501]

because potential buyers will want it if they are spending £1000's

just 2 make sure

[victorwilliams]

Jun 10, 2008 12:08:29 GMT 1 They call me Stephen said:

good point arcam...although i guess if you are the original owner you should have the email receipt as a way of proof

Thats what I was thinking, I'm the original owner of all my prints with email receipt for all of them, would this be enough if I come to sell or do you think I am going to have to shell out £50 a time, when I already have proof there genuin already!?

[pimp]

Jun 10, 2008 12:14:45 GMT 1 @graeme501 said:

because potential buyers will want it if they are spending £1000's

just 2 make sure

well if they insisted on it i would tell them to fuck off!

if you have an email with your details and the print info on it that will suffice. If they are that anal they can do it themselves after...

[pimp]

Jun 10, 2008 12:15:36 GMT 1 victorwilliams said:

Jun 10, 2008 12:08:29 GMT 1 They call me Stephen said:

good point arcam...although i guess if you are the original owner you should have the email receipt as a way of proof

Thats what I was thinking, I'm the original owner of all my prints with email receipt for all of them, would this be enough if I come to sell or do you think? Or am I going to have to shell out £50 a time, when I already have proof there genuin already!?

exactly.

[Richard]

It's just a way of them getting more money out of us!

£50+VAT is ridiculous when all we are doing is taking some pictures and emailing them.

It's not as if they are carbon dating the print!

[arcam]

Jun 10, 2008 12:09:46 GMT 1 @graeme501 said:

but you only need it if you are selling it on, so if ur the original owner then ur making quite a bit of money

I disagree. I'd want one for insurance purposes as much as anything else. Something that proves my Banksy's are the real deal.

I am not saying this isn't a good thing, especially for older print. But for those of us who bought Banksy's recently, they really should have come with one. Now I have to pay £50 to get one for each of my prints.

[Richard]

Jun 10, 2008 12:19:29 GMT 1 @arcam said:

Jun 10, 2008 12:09:46 GMT 1 @graeme501 said:

but you only need it if you are selling it on, so if ur the original owner then ur making quite a bit of money

I disagree. I'd want one for insurance purposes as much as anything else. Something that proves my Banksy are the real deal.

I am not saying this isn't a good thing, especially for older print. But for those of us who bought Banksy's recently, they really should have come with one. Now I have to pay £50 to get one for each of my prints.

£59 for COA when the print itself (my Morons for example) was only £250!

[arcam]

Jun 10, 2008 12:18:22 GMT 1 Richard said:

It's just a way of them getting more money out of us!

£50+VAT is ridiculous when all we are doing is taking some pictures and emailing them.

It's not as if they are carbon dating the print!

I would like to know what you get for £50 +vat.

[Happy Shopper]

I wonder if they'll authenticate prints bought from Santa's Ghetto?
Apparently they didn't keep a record of who bought what so couldn't do anything.

[wonkeydonkey]

£50 is crazy to just check some basic details against their records and look at a few photos!

[They call me Stephen]

For many i guess it will act as a service in order to verify old prints they might have bought a year or two ago yet don’t necessarily want to sell them.

I'd be heartbroken if i found out i had a fake in my collection!

[Billy Sport]

One thing Ive noticed is the form is just for banksy's

original owners with proof via email/receipts shouldnt be a problem.

The issue is, you buy from someone who bought off of someone and has that original email as proof (make sense?), taking it further, say you buy a print thats been owned by 5 or more people. Would you rather go through the papre trail yourself, or say to the seller "take it POW to authenticate"?

Personally, I think there is a market for POW to create a secondary market themselves, authenticating and selling on for a small percentage, you would then get an authenticated piece without ebay and paypal fees....

[Rsyok]

It looks like the same format as the pest control form.
One and the same ?
I think original owners with emails should stand by their providence. Certificates only become a must if 'we' make it a must remember the POWer of the forum.

If pow reciepts were good enough for the auction houses.

[illy]

Good idea but I think it is a rip off! Every other gallery/publisher gives out COA for a print you buy, why should you have to pay £50 from POW!??!

[They call me Stephen]

email receipts are solid proof...everyone agrees on that.

the need for the pow authentication service is when there is no paper trail. whether it be through a print being sold 5 times and the loss of previous owners receipts, prints that were bought before all this madness begun etc etc

[They call me Stephen]

cant argue with illy's point...pow should provide coa's with any future banksy releases fact! the fact they haven't is questionable at best!