loui
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 947
๐๐ป 672
January 2024
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by loui on Nov 14, 2024 15:39:46 GMT 1, you mean he should stick to selling clothes? I mean in an ideal world his focus would be almost entirely on the creative aspect of Banksy and the people handling the business should be purely focused on that aspect and running it in a way that impacts the artists focus on creativity as little as possible. ie he focuses on his campaign and people run his business capably to negate unnecessary/avoidable issues/headaches. Problem solvers rather than problem creators would be the ideal world.
Well, he could have hired me for a job. I am extremely good at organizing and capable of making opaque structures transparent. However, I think the problem lies at another level and not with PC; if people who previously worked with him have become resistant to still work with him, PC will never be able to get things clear. This creates holes in which criminals who smell their chance, dive. Itโs in everyone who hates criminals and criminal behaviour best interest to cooperate with PC, and for the man self to keep quiet, far away in the background. Still donโt like him though so not sure why Iโd give this advice.
you mean he should stick to selling clothes? I mean in an ideal world his focus would be almost entirely on the creative aspect of Banksy and the people handling the business should be purely focused on that aspect and running it in a way that impacts the artists focus on creativity as little as possible. ie he focuses on his campaign and people run his business capably to negate unnecessary/avoidable issues/headaches. Problem solvers rather than problem creators would be the ideal world. Well, he could have hired me for a job. I am extremely good at organizing and capable of making opaque structures transparent. However, I think the problem lies at another level and not with PC; if people who previously worked with him have become resistant to still work with him, PC will never be able to get things clear. This creates holes in which criminals who smell their chance, dive. Itโs in everyone who hates criminals and criminal behaviour best interest to cooperate with PC, and for the man self to keep quiet, far away in the background. Still donโt like him though so not sure why Iโd give this advice. |
|
hdduyddfj
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 39
๐๐ป 23
September 2024
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by hdduyddfj on Nov 14, 2024 16:35:32 GMT 1, I mean in an ideal world his focus would be almost entirely on the creative aspect of Banksy and the people handling the business should be purely focused on that aspect and running it in a way that impacts the artists focus on creativity as little as possible. ie he focuses on his campaign and people run his business capably to negate unnecessary/avoidable issues/headaches. Problem solvers rather than problem creators would be the ideal world. Well, he could have hired me for a job. I am extremely good at organizing and capable of making opaque structures transparent. However, I think the problem lies at another level and not with PC; if people who previously worked with him have become resistant to still work with him, PC will never be able to get things clear. This creates holes in which criminals who smell their chance, dive. Itโs in everyone who hates criminals and criminal behaviour best interest to cooperate with PC, and for the man self to keep quiet, far away in the background. Still donโt like him though so not sure why Iโd give this advice.
Probably not, so unfortunately for him and PC they'll have to deal with the headaches and baggage that comes with avoidance and/or not giving a sh!t.
PC are useful layer of protection, better everyone blaming them than him.
I mean in an ideal world his focus would be almost entirely on the creative aspect of Banksy and the people handling the business should be purely focused on that aspect and running it in a way that impacts the artists focus on creativity as little as possible. ie he focuses on his campaign and people run his business capably to negate unnecessary/avoidable issues/headaches. Problem solvers rather than problem creators would be the ideal world. Well, he could have hired me for a job. I am extremely good at organizing and capable of making opaque structures transparent. However, I think the problem lies at another level and not with PC; if people who previously worked with him have become resistant to still work with him, PC will never be able to get things clear. This creates holes in which criminals who smell their chance, dive. Itโs in everyone who hates criminals and criminal behaviour best interest to cooperate with PC, and for the man self to keep quiet, far away in the background. Still donโt like him though so not sure why Iโd give this advice. Yes it'll take intervention from above for anything to change at PC, it's above their paygrade/delegations to make any significant changes. And therein lies part of the problem. Do the people that could make changes care enough about everyone as a whole to make changes. Probably not, so unfortunately for him and PC they'll have to deal with the headaches and baggage that comes with avoidance and/or not giving a sh!t. PC are useful layer of protection, better everyone blaming them than him. |
|
loui
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 947
๐๐ป 672
January 2024
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by loui on Nov 15, 2024 0:06:23 GMT 1, Well, he could have hired me for a job. I am extremely good at organizing and capable of making opaque structures transparent. However, I think the problem lies at another level and not with PC; if people who previously worked with him have become resistant to still work with him, PC will never be able to get things clear. This creates holes in which criminals who smell their chance, dive. Itโs in everyone who hates criminals and criminal behaviour best interest to cooperate with PC, and for the man self to keep quiet, far away in the background. Still donโt like him though so not sure why Iโd give this advice. Yes it'll take intervention from above for anything to change at PC, it's above their paygrade/delegations to make any significant changes. And therein lies part of the problem. Do the people that could make changes care enough about everyone as a whole to make changes. Probably not, so unfortunately for him and PC they'll have to deal with the headaches and baggage that comes with avoidance and/or not giving a sh!t. PC are useful layer of protection, better everyone blaming them than him.
โin an ideal world his focus would be almost entirely on the creative aspect of Banksyโ. Creative aspects like these you mean? theartofokse.com/blogs/chatter-oks/banksy-ill-just-leave-this-here
Well, he could have hired me for a job. I am extremely good at organizing and capable of making opaque structures transparent. However, I think the problem lies at another level and not with PC; if people who previously worked with him have become resistant to still work with him, PC will never be able to get things clear. This creates holes in which criminals who smell their chance, dive. Itโs in everyone who hates criminals and criminal behaviour best interest to cooperate with PC, and for the man self to keep quiet, far away in the background. Still donโt like him though so not sure why Iโd give this advice. Yes it'll take intervention from above for anything to change at PC, it's above their paygrade/delegations to make any significant changes. And therein lies part of the problem. Do the people that could make changes care enough about everyone as a whole to make changes. Probably not, so unfortunately for him and PC they'll have to deal with the headaches and baggage that comes with avoidance and/or not giving a sh!t. PC are useful layer of protection, better everyone blaming them than him. โin an ideal world his focus would be almost entirely on the creative aspect of Banksyโ. Creative aspects like these you mean? theartofokse.com/blogs/chatter-oks/banksy-ill-just-leave-this-here |
|
hdduyddfj
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 39
๐๐ป 23
September 2024
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by hdduyddfj on Nov 15, 2024 7:22:38 GMT 1, Yes it'll take intervention from above for anything to change at PC, it's above their paygrade/delegations to make any significant changes. And therein lies part of the problem. Do the people that could make changes care enough about everyone as a whole to make changes. Probably not, so unfortunately for him and PC they'll have to deal with the headaches and baggage that comes with avoidance and/or not giving a sh!t. PC are useful layer of protection, better everyone blaming them than him. โin an ideal world his focus would be almost entirely on the creative aspect of Banksyโ. Creative aspects like these you mean? theartofokse.com/blogs/chatter-oks/banksy-ill-just-leave-this-here
It's unlikely he'll be remembered for that element of his creativity or his technical skills in art outside stencil/spray. More likely he'll be remembered for his ability to pull off his stunts/shows and placement of the street work alongside his sheer volume of output with street work and persistence to be heard/seen by as many people as possible. He found ways to achieve this more easily and quickly. The internet/Google/social media coinciding with his rise was imperative.
His attention to detail and planning for shows/stunts/street work is where he shines although yes I guess he does have to shine in creative opportunism as well to have pulled it off.
He's done what he's needed, to get what he wanted. There is a savvy business brain in there which is more than capable of taking the steps needed to run PC effectively if he wanted/cared. As mentioned, bent out of shape , so better for all involved if he focuses on the creative aspect of his business rather than money/people.
From his perspective it may seem like everyone's looking a pound of his flesh by whatever means needed. Who knows.
No he probably won't be remembered as the artists artist. The flip side is the majority of artists in this genre have benefited from the amount of eyes and attention he has brought to this scene.
Also worth noting he's been copied by plenty himself, nothing new to the artworld.
Hes the people's artist, commenting on the injustices of the world, easily relatable. One aspect that seems overlooked is the hope factor. What he's achieved in the manner he's done it shows people that almost anythings possible if you really want it through dogged determination. He's become one of the most recognisable artists on the planet, and done it his way. Hard not to doff the cap to what he's achieved.
Yes it'll take intervention from above for anything to change at PC, it's above their paygrade/delegations to make any significant changes. And therein lies part of the problem. Do the people that could make changes care enough about everyone as a whole to make changes. Probably not, so unfortunately for him and PC they'll have to deal with the headaches and baggage that comes with avoidance and/or not giving a sh!t. PC are useful layer of protection, better everyone blaming them than him. โin an ideal world his focus would be almost entirely on the creative aspect of Banksyโ. Creative aspects like these you mean? theartofokse.com/blogs/chatter-oks/banksy-ill-just-leave-this-hereYes we all know by now that the majority of the artists ideas come from Google search/other artistic creatives concepts which he bends into shape with additions/changes to suit his agenda/message. I don't think he hides from his taking others ideas and reforming them. It's unlikely he'll be remembered for that element of his creativity or his technical skills in art outside stencil/spray. More likely he'll be remembered for his ability to pull off his stunts/shows and placement of the street work alongside his sheer volume of output with street work and persistence to be heard/seen by as many people as possible. He found ways to achieve this more easily and quickly. The internet/Google/social media coinciding with his rise was imperative. His attention to detail and planning for shows/stunts/street work is where he shines although yes I guess he does have to shine in creative opportunism as well to have pulled it off. He's done what he's needed, to get what he wanted. There is a savvy business brain in there which is more than capable of taking the steps needed to run PC effectively if he wanted/cared. As mentioned, bent out of shape , so better for all involved if he focuses on the creative aspect of his business rather than money/people. From his perspective it may seem like everyone's looking a pound of his flesh by whatever means needed. Who knows. No he probably won't be remembered as the artists artist. The flip side is the majority of artists in this genre have benefited from the amount of eyes and attention he has brought to this scene. Also worth noting he's been copied by plenty himself, nothing new to the artworld. Hes the people's artist, commenting on the injustices of the world, easily relatable. One aspect that seems overlooked is the hope factor. What he's achieved in the manner he's done it shows people that almost anythings possible if you really want it through dogged determination. He's become one of the most recognisable artists on the planet, and done it his way. Hard not to doff the cap to what he's achieved. |
|
loui
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 947
๐๐ป 672
January 2024
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by loui on Nov 15, 2024 8:41:48 GMT 1, Yes we all know by now that the majority of the artists ideas come from Google search/other artistic creatives concepts which he bends into shape with additions/changes to suit his agenda/message. I don't think he hides from his taking others ideas and reforming them. It's unlikely he'll be remembered for that element of his creativity or his technical skills in art outside stencil/spray. More likely he'll be remembered for his ability to pull off his stunts/shows and placement of the street work alongside his sheer volume of output with street work and persistence to be heard/seen by as many people as possible. He found ways to achieve this more easily and quickly. The internet/Google/social media coinciding with his rise was imperative. His attention to detail and planning for shows/stunts/street work is where he shines although yes I guess he does have to shine in creative opportunism as well to have pulled it off. He's done what he's needed, to get what he wanted. There is a savvy business brain in there which is more than capable of taking the steps needed to run PC effectively if he wanted/cared. As mentioned, bent out of shape , so better for all involved if he focuses on the creative aspect of his business rather than money/people. From his perspective it may seem like everyone's looking a pound of his flesh by whatever means needed. Who knows. No he probably won't be remembered as the artists artist. The flip side is the majority of artists in this genre have benefited from the amount of eyes and attention he has brought to this scene. Also worth noting he's been copied by plenty himself, nothing new to the artworld.
You sound like the clone of someone else on this forum or it wouldnโt surprise me if you are them.
รf Banksy is remembered at all this is only because heโs a clever marketeer (hey there rings the bell of Saatchi ๐) who not only has dubious people working for him now, but also use some methods of which Iโm sure he wouldnโt like the public to associate him with. People wouldnโt doff their cap if they knew.
We should be glad artists leave him to his headaches. The more the merrier ๐.
Yes we all know by now that the majority of the artists ideas come from Google search/other artistic creatives concepts which he bends into shape with additions/changes to suit his agenda/message. I don't think he hides from his taking others ideas and reforming them. It's unlikely he'll be remembered for that element of his creativity or his technical skills in art outside stencil/spray. More likely he'll be remembered for his ability to pull off his stunts/shows and placement of the street work alongside his sheer volume of output with street work and persistence to be heard/seen by as many people as possible. He found ways to achieve this more easily and quickly. The internet/Google/social media coinciding with his rise was imperative. His attention to detail and planning for shows/stunts/street work is where he shines although yes I guess he does have to shine in creative opportunism as well to have pulled it off. He's done what he's needed, to get what he wanted. There is a savvy business brain in there which is more than capable of taking the steps needed to run PC effectively if he wanted/cared. As mentioned, bent out of shape , so better for all involved if he focuses on the creative aspect of his business rather than money/people. From his perspective it may seem like everyone's looking a pound of his flesh by whatever means needed. Who knows. No he probably won't be remembered as the artists artist. The flip side is the majority of artists in this genre have benefited from the amount of eyes and attention he has brought to this scene. Also worth noting he's been copied by plenty himself, nothing new to the artworld. You sound like the clone of someone else on this forum or it wouldnโt surprise me if you are them. รf Banksy is remembered at all this is only because heโs a clever marketeer (hey there rings the bell of Saatchi ๐) who not only has dubious people working for him now, but also use some methods of which Iโm sure he wouldnโt like the public to associate him with. People wouldnโt doff their cap if they knew. We should be glad artists leave him to his headaches. The more the merrier ๐. |
|
hdduyddfj
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 39
๐๐ป 23
September 2024
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by hdduyddfj on Nov 15, 2024 9:08:33 GMT 1, Yes we all know by now that the majority of the artists ideas come from Google search/other artistic creatives concepts which he bends into shape with additions/changes to suit his agenda/message. I don't think he hides from his taking others ideas and reforming them. It's unlikely he'll be remembered for that element of his creativity or his technical skills in art outside stencil/spray. More likely he'll be remembered for his ability to pull off his stunts/shows and placement of the street work alongside his sheer volume of output with street work and persistence to be heard/seen by as many people as possible. He found ways to achieve this more easily and quickly. The internet/Google/social media coinciding with his rise was imperative. His attention to detail and planning for shows/stunts/street work is where he shines although yes I guess he does have to shine in creative opportunism as well to have pulled it off. He's done what he's needed, to get what he wanted. There is a savvy business brain in there which is more than capable of taking the steps needed to run PC effectively if he wanted/cared. As mentioned, bent out of shape , so better for all involved if he focuses on the creative aspect of his business rather than money/people. From his perspective it may seem like everyone's looking a pound of his flesh by whatever means needed. Who knows. No he probably won't be remembered as the artists artist. The flip side is the majority of artists in this genre have benefited from the amount of eyes and attention he has brought to this scene. Also worth noting he's been copied by plenty himself, nothing new to the artworld. You sound like the clone of someone else on this forum or it wouldnโt surprise me if you are them. รf Banksy is remembered at all this is only because heโs a clever marketeer (hey there rings the bell of Saatchi ๐) who not only has dubious people working for him now, but also use some methods of which Iโm sure he wouldnโt like the public to associate him with. Glad you agree as this is how I read you. In this case we should be glad heโs having headaches. The more the merrier ๐.
Id prefer he didn't have headaches, but fine with it if it creates positive change as a whole. Maybe necessary.
Worth keeping in mind that every one of us have done/said things we wouldn't like the public to associate us with. He's no different to the rest of us, there's just a much brighter light shining on him and a lot more eyes to find faults.
Yes we all know by now that the majority of the artists ideas come from Google search/other artistic creatives concepts which he bends into shape with additions/changes to suit his agenda/message. I don't think he hides from his taking others ideas and reforming them. It's unlikely he'll be remembered for that element of his creativity or his technical skills in art outside stencil/spray. More likely he'll be remembered for his ability to pull off his stunts/shows and placement of the street work alongside his sheer volume of output with street work and persistence to be heard/seen by as many people as possible. He found ways to achieve this more easily and quickly. The internet/Google/social media coinciding with his rise was imperative. His attention to detail and planning for shows/stunts/street work is where he shines although yes I guess he does have to shine in creative opportunism as well to have pulled it off. He's done what he's needed, to get what he wanted. There is a savvy business brain in there which is more than capable of taking the steps needed to run PC effectively if he wanted/cared. As mentioned, bent out of shape , so better for all involved if he focuses on the creative aspect of his business rather than money/people. From his perspective it may seem like everyone's looking a pound of his flesh by whatever means needed. Who knows. No he probably won't be remembered as the artists artist. The flip side is the majority of artists in this genre have benefited from the amount of eyes and attention he has brought to this scene. Also worth noting he's been copied by plenty himself, nothing new to the artworld. You sound like the clone of someone else on this forum or it wouldnโt surprise me if you are them. รf Banksy is remembered at all this is only because heโs a clever marketeer (hey there rings the bell of Saatchi ๐) who not only has dubious people working for him now, but also use some methods of which Iโm sure he wouldnโt like the public to associate him with. Glad you agree as this is how I read you. In this case we should be glad heโs having headaches. The more the merrier ๐. You misread me. I think he'll be remembered for a lot more than clever marketeering. Id prefer he didn't have headaches, but fine with it if it creates positive change as a whole. Maybe necessary. Worth keeping in mind that every one of us have done/said things we wouldn't like the public to associate us with. He's no different to the rest of us, there's just a much brighter light shining on him and a lot more eyes to find faults. |
|
|
|
loui
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 947
๐๐ป 672
January 2024
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by loui on Nov 15, 2024 10:07:13 GMT 1, You sound like the clone of someone else on this forum or it wouldnโt surprise me if you are them. รf Banksy is remembered at all this is only because heโs a clever marketeer (hey there rings the bell of Saatchi ๐) who not only has dubious people working for him now, but also use some methods of which Iโm sure he wouldnโt like the public to associate him with. Glad you agree as this is how I read you. In this case we should be glad heโs having headaches. The more the merrier ๐. You misread me. I think he'll be remembered for a lot more than clever marketeering. Id prefer he didn't have headaches, but fine with it if it creates positive change as a whole. Maybe necessary. Worth keeping in mind that every one of us have done/said things we wouldn't like the public to associate us with. He's no different to the rest of us, there's just a much brighter light shining on him and a lot more eyes to find faults.
Well Iโm sure you would think different if not depending on his money Mojo.
You sound like the clone of someone else on this forum or it wouldnโt surprise me if you are them. รf Banksy is remembered at all this is only because heโs a clever marketeer (hey there rings the bell of Saatchi ๐) who not only has dubious people working for him now, but also use some methods of which Iโm sure he wouldnโt like the public to associate him with. Glad you agree as this is how I read you. In this case we should be glad heโs having headaches. The more the merrier ๐. You misread me. I think he'll be remembered for a lot more than clever marketeering. Id prefer he didn't have headaches, but fine with it if it creates positive change as a whole. Maybe necessary. Worth keeping in mind that every one of us have done/said things we wouldn't like the public to associate us with. He's no different to the rest of us, there's just a much brighter light shining on him and a lot more eyes to find faults. Well Iโm sure you would think different if not depending on his money Mojo. |
|
hdduyddfj
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 39
๐๐ป 23
September 2024
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by hdduyddfj on Nov 15, 2024 10:16:34 GMT 1, You misread me. I think he'll be remembered for a lot more than clever marketeering. Id prefer he didn't have headaches, but fine with it if it creates positive change as a whole. Maybe necessary. Worth keeping in mind that every one of us have done/said things we wouldn't like the public to associate us with. He's no different to the rest of us, there's just a much brighter light shining on him and a lot more eyes to find faults. Well Iโm sure you would think different if not depending on his money Mojo.
I'm not mojo, mojo is not Jo Brooks, Plip is a very funny man and imo a great artist but as far as I'm aware nothing to do with Banksy/PC/mojo/jo brooks etc Actually Plip would sit very well on JBs artist list
Too much dumb on the internet.
You misread me. I think he'll be remembered for a lot more than clever marketeering. Id prefer he didn't have headaches, but fine with it if it creates positive change as a whole. Maybe necessary. Worth keeping in mind that every one of us have done/said things we wouldn't like the public to associate us with. He's no different to the rest of us, there's just a much brighter light shining on him and a lot more eyes to find faults. Well Iโm sure you would think different if not depending on his money Mojo. Tbh I would've preferred this exchange to have been with someone else, it would have brought more credibility. I'm not mojo, mojo is not Jo Brooks, Plip is a very funny man and imo a great artist but as far as I'm aware nothing to do with Banksy/PC/mojo/jo brooks etc Actually Plip would sit very well on JBs artist list
Too much dumb on the internet.
|
|
hdduyddfj
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 39
๐๐ป 23
September 2024
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by hdduyddfj on Nov 15, 2024 11:31:34 GMT 1, Tbh I would've preferred this exchange to have been with someone else, it would have brought more credibility. I'm not mojo, mojo is not Jo Brooks, Plip is a very funny man and imo a great artist but as far as I'm aware nothing to do with Banksy/PC/mojo/jo brooks etc Actually Plip would sit very well on JBs artist list
Too much dumb on the internet.
wildernest23 aka the rest ๐ whoever anyone is, i hope everyone is safe. And to be fair, itโs never been about the mother and always about the father, so he would never be mistaken again. Sad creatures, the lot of them.
Tbh I would've preferred this exchange to have been with someone else, it would have brought more credibility. I'm not mojo, mojo is not Jo Brooks, Plip is a very funny man and imo a great artist but as far as I'm aware nothing to do with Banksy/PC/mojo/jo brooks etc Actually Plip would sit very well on JBs artist list
Too much dumb on the internet.
wildernest23 aka the rest ๐ whoever anyone is, i hope everyone is safe. And to be fair, itโs never been about the mother and always about the father, so he would never be mistaken again. Sad creatures, the lot of them. Not sure what that means but my apologies, that wasn't called for. Take care |
|
PC Baby
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 373
๐๐ป 615
October 2023
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by PC Baby on Nov 15, 2024 15:15:15 GMT 1, well, I'm just one of the common peeps and, as such, think Banksy's 'the people's prince of arts' - chapeau !
well, I'm just one of the common peeps and, as such, think Banksy's 'the people's prince of arts' - chapeau !
|
|
loui
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 947
๐๐ป 672
January 2024
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by loui on Nov 15, 2024 22:07:31 GMT 1, Why anyone would want to defend Saatchi and Hirst for that matter, is beyond me. Especially when the legacy is squandered like it is.
Why anyone would want to defend Saatchi and Hirst for that matter, is beyond me. Especially when the legacy is squandered like it is.
|
|
|
|
Huge crime network forging Banksy, Warhol and Picasso uncove, by Daniel Silk on Nov 17, 2024 11:22:27 GMT 1,
|
|
