WCP The West Country Prince

[Sweetcorn]

Nov 26, 2013 23:39:49 GMT 1 iamzero said:

So if fifty people all stood in line at vista print with a Banksy image for them to print out that's ok then. Personally don't see the difference. As for bad robot... Words fail me with you. I have no guilt and quite a nice collection of stuff thanks by named artists and unrecognised and also a WCP Kate. Never gonna make the wall but I wanted to see what the fuss was about. It's alright but I wouldn't buy another.

This really is boring now, it's like trying to teach a Labrador about the internet. And don't tell me what I can and can't buy.

I tried teaching our lab about the internet, He just kept sticking his head out of windows 98

[iamzero]

Banksy doesn't care if you print his images for your own personal use. He only cares if you print his images and sell them for a profit. How can you not see the difference?

So vista print is allowed to make money?

[Deleted]

Nov 27, 2013 0:01:23 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Banksy doesn't care if you print his images for your own personal use. He only cares if you print his images and sell them for a profit. How can you not see the difference?

So vista print is allowed to make money?

Clearly explain how a high street company offering a printing service equals another group producing replicas of another artists work for profit? Not the same, part of a production mechanism but even then different parts.

[iamzero]

So if a high street store prints you a copyrighted image and sells it to you for profit it's not the same as WCP screen printing a copyrighted image and selling it to you for a profit?

[dotdot]

Nov 27, 2013 0:15:46 GMT 1 iamzero said:

So if a high street store prints you a copyrighted image and sells it to you for profit it's not the same as WCP screen printing a copyrighted image and selling it to you for a profit?

Not it is not the same.
The high street store cannot reproduce then sell anything which is copyright without permission , that is how it works.

Weedontceepee , do not own copyright nor have sought permission to reproduce hence the term copy/fake.

The high street shop will hopefully pay tax on income made as profit.
Weedontceepee will not pay tax post not seeking permission.

Anyone who buys from this seller on ebay is helping someone who is producing fakes , make money.

Give your money to charity , make someone who needs it.. happy at Christmas.
You will feel better for it , not this parasite.

[iamzero]

So when you sell on or flip your Banksy prints are you then declaring tax on that money after making £10k profit in a year on a CYW? Or paying some of that money to charity or POW? Come on hands up you morally correct people... It's the right thing to do. Your arguments have more holes than back street massage parlour.

[Snakes]

Nov 26, 2013 23:39:49 GMT 1 iamzero said:

This really is boring now, it's like trying to teach a Labrador about the internet. And don't tell me what I can and can't buy.

Labradors sure are slow to take to advances in technology!

[Pipes]

We live in an age of fairly blurred copyright rules (or adherence to them)

Who hasn't download free mp3's?
Who hasn't downloaded a film or bought a dodgy DVD?

I don't see too much harm in making this art accessible to those who can't afford the astronomical prices - in the same way I don't care about knock off Rolex or Luis Vitton bags.

Why not let someone have an image they can enjoy on their wall?

Kind of ironic a few weeks after real canvas's in central park don't sell.

[anodyne13]

I think the main issue with these types of prints is that they make it easier for unscrupulous folks to try and pass off as originals. I understand that there are marking on the back etc. that distinguish the fact it is a reproduction, but for the uninitiated it is just one more thing to worry about when purchasing a framed Banksy.

I do not see much difference in buying one of these prints and buying a fake Rolex, and while I do not think anyone should be overly chastised for buying these kinds of reproductions, I would rather have a beer with a person that didn't.

[Snakes]

This dog clearly has no problem getting to grips with the internet as he seems sneaks off for a private moment afterwards - dirty dog!

[iamzero]

You must drink nothing but holy water for a month and send apology emails to POW every day until your soul is cleansed.

[Snakes]

Why did WCP have to do an orange Nola? It looks like the girl is standing under a berroca golden shower.

[randomname]

Nov 27, 2013 0:01:23 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Banksy doesn't care if you print his images for your own personal use. He only cares if you print his images and sell them for a profit. How can you not see the difference?

So vista print is allowed to make money?

I believe he said to preferably print them on your office printer. But either way, I don't think he's too worried about about the corner copy shop making ten cents off his free downloads. 

Anyway, when I hear statements like that, I start to think people are just trolling. It's hard to believe that anyone would actually equate the two in their mind.

[Deleted]

Nov 26, 2013 22:42:34 GMT 1 randomname said:

Nov 26, 2013 22:38:07 GMT 1 Happy Go Lucky Chap said:

WHATS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT? If you don't like the WCP prints then don't buy them...nuff said

Please refrain from comparing RAPE to anything else but RAPE.

It's one of those 3 rails we prefer not discussed on an art forum.

Thanks - 



 

Errrr ok I know I said I was done on this....and I am.....but...

Have I missed something here? How has a WCP thread descended the depths to talk about rape?

This quote doesn't even make any sense !

[A.R.T.]

Question: what do forum members think of the Banksy figures that people sell?

Nov 27, 2013 1:05:29 GMT 1 Snakes said:

Why did WCP have to do an orange Nola? It looks like the girl is standing under a berroca golden shower.

Wasn't the orange NOLA for friends and family?

[pcant]

Well, if there was ever a plan to get people to not mention WCP prints on this forum, another multi-page battle over ethics, greed and morals is sure to do the trick.

[randomname]

Nov 27, 2013 1:34:10 GMT 1 @amboguy said:

Nov 26, 2013 22:42:34 GMT 1 randomname said:

Please refrain from comparing RAPE to anything else but RAPE.

It's one of those 3 rails we prefer not discussed on an art forum.

Thanks - 



 

Errrr ok I know I said I was done on this....and I am.....but...

Have I missed something here? How has a WCP thread descended the depths to talk about rape?

This quote doesn't even make any sense !

It doesn't make sense because a moderator edited it.

To paraphrase, happygoluckychap said, "If you don't like WPC prints, don't buy them." To which I replied, "That's a bit like saying if you don't like assault, don't assault anyone. An extreme example, but you get the point."

The point being that if someone is doing something unethical, it's a bit odd to defend that behavior by telling someone not to do it if they don't like it. 

[Stinky Pete]

sorry to be thick but are WCP prints excellent copies that can be passed off as fakes or shite
they seem to be both according to various posters

[pcant]

Nov 27, 2013 2:31:47 GMT 1 Stinky Pete said:

sorry to be thick but are WCP prints excellent copies that can be passed off as fakes or s**te
they seem to be both according to various posters

I asked this question a while ago, and it seems to depend on who you talk to. But yes, they are apparently so bad as to make people's eyes bleed, but also so indistinguishable from the real ones as to be sold on a regular basis as "real" Banksy prints.

[Deleted]

Yeah you're being thick there's numerous editions and the quality varies

[Stinky Pete]

Nov 27, 2013 3:34:21 GMT 1 @badrobot said:

Yeah you're being thick there's numerous editions and the quality varies

  good to know i often am
 

[mmmike]

I have a big issue with wcp. The price, they are too expensive for me. I can't wait until someone starts selling fake wcp prints for half the price.

[Deleted]

Nov 27, 2013 2:16:15 GMT 1 randomname said:

Nov 27, 2013 1:34:10 GMT 1 @amboguy said:

Errrr ok I know I said I was done on this....and I am.....but...

Have I missed something here? How has a WCP thread descended the depths to talk about rape?

This quote doesn't even make any sense !

It doesn't make sense because a moderator edited it.

To paraphrase, happygoluckychap said, "If you don't like WPC prints, don't buy them." To which I replied, "That's a bit like saying if you don't like assault, don't assault anyone. An extreme example, but you get the point."

The point being that if someone is doing something unethical, it's a bit odd to defend that behavior by telling someone not to do it if they don't like it. 

Ok I assume by 'assault' you actually said 'rape' in your original post as that's why the Mods used that word then.

Oh dear, thats just on another level entitely

[randomname]

Nov 27, 2013 10:24:38 GMT 1 @amboguy said:

Nov 27, 2013 2:16:15 GMT 1 randomname said:

It doesn't make sense because a moderator edited it.

To paraphrase, happygoluckychap said, "If you don't like WPC prints, don't buy them." To which I replied, "That's a bit like saying if you don't like assault, don't assault anyone. An extreme example, but you get the point."

The point being that if someone is doing something unethical, it's a bit odd to defend that behavior by telling someone not to do it if they don't like it. 

Ok I assume by 'assault' you actually said 'rape' in your original post as that's why the Mods used that word then.

Oh dear, thats just on another level entitely

So you're back to troll. Consider me shocked. Good luck with that.

[johnnyh]

Nov 27, 2013 4:28:52 GMT 1 mmmike said:

I have a big issue with wcp. The price, they are too expensive for me. I can't wait until someone starts selling fake wcp prints for half the price.

I have them Mike to us in the trade it's called a photo copy let me know which ones you want and what your fax number is. THey can be faxed framed or un framed just let me know. Obviously buyer accepts responsibility for repro at your end as I guarantee was perfectin mint condition when faxed.
pdf's are not available due to unscrupulous buyers forwarding emails on.
ps. They look s**t but there cheap at only. 10 quid each saving you £45 on every s**t copy you buy remember either way you just end up with a s**t copy

[Deleted]

Nov 27, 2013 13:40:22 GMT 1 randomname said:

Nov 27, 2013 10:24:38 GMT 1 @amboguy said:

Ok I assume by 'assault' you actually said 'rape' in your original post as that's why the Mods used that word then.

Oh dear, thats just on another level entitely

So you're back to troll. Consider me shocked. Good luck with that.

No not trolling.

I suppose I agree with the Mods that comparing buying WCP to raping someone is totally unacceptable and very offensive - you clearly disagree. Someone I know got raped a few years ago, I'll ask get what she thinks about your comment.

Instead of trying to justify your views I think you should just stop talking now.

[randomname]

Nov 27, 2013 14:19:35 GMT 1 @amboguy said:

Nov 27, 2013 13:40:22 GMT 1 randomname said:

So you're back to troll. Consider me shocked. Good luck with that.

No not trolling.

I suppose I agree with the Mods that comparing buying WCP to raping someone is totally unacceptable and very offensive - you clearly disagree. Someone I know got raped a few years ago, I'll ask get what she thinks about your comment.

Instead of trying to justify your views I think you should just stop talking now.

You wouldn't be you if you weren't trolling. Unfortunately, it's a bit too transparent. You're just not intelligent enough to pull it off. But by all means, keep at it. I'm sure everyone would enjoy a good laugh. 

[Deleted]

Nov 27, 2013 14:34:26 GMT 1 randomname said:

Nov 27, 2013 14:19:35 GMT 1 @amboguy said:

No not trolling.

I suppose I agree with the Mods that comparing buying WCP to raping someone is totally unacceptable and very offensive - you clearly disagree. Someone I know got raped a few years ago, I'll ask get what she thinks about your comment.

Instead of trying to justify your views I think you should just stop talking now.

You wouldn't be you if you weren't trolling. Unfortunately, it's a bit too transparent. You're just not intelligent enough to pull it off. But by all means, keep at it. I'm sure everyone would enjoy a good laugh. 

I'm sure people aren't so much laughing at me as feeling disgusted with you and your comment at the moment.

Here's a link you might want to look at. Please do not make any more jokes about rape on here. You only embarrass yourself. The Mods clearly didn't like it and neither does anyone else.

www.rapecrisis.org.uk/

Now if you'd like to stay on topic and give your views in WCP then that's fine but don't come back with anymore comments playing down a crime that ruins lives.

[randomname]

Nov 27, 2013 14:41:04 GMT 1 @amboguy said:

Nov 27, 2013 14:34:26 GMT 1 randomname said:

You wouldn't be you if you weren't trolling. Unfortunately, it's a bit too transparent. You're just not intelligent enough to pull it off. But by all means, keep at it. I'm sure everyone would enjoy a good laugh. 

I'm sure people aren't so much laughing at me as feeling disgusted with you and your comment at the moment.

Here's a link you might want to look at. Please do not make any more jokes about rape on here. You only embarrass yourself. The Mods clearly didn't like it and neither does anyone else.

www.rapecrisis.org.uk/

Like I said, you're not nearly bright enough to be much of a troll. While admittedly vile, your attacks are transparent and your true motives obvious.

But if anyone has any doubts as to what kind of person you are, I'll enlighten them with this.

A couple of weeks ago, I got into another argument with our resident troll – on the same subject no less. After I called him out for trolling, he apparently started sending emails to charities using an old email address I use to sign up for websites (it was publicly viewable by default). I found this reply a few days later when I was cleaning out the folder.

First name: Ray
The area where you live: London
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: White
Other Ethnicity:

Issue:
Hello,

This is very embarrassing and I am very ashamed about this. I am not
being bullied but I am the bully.

This is not aimed at anyone I know but instead I bully people over the
internet. I go trolling on forums and bully and harass people I have
never met before. I hope this doesn't sound trivial as I hate myself for
what I do but I just can't help myself.

I was abused, some sexually, as a child and I found that writing very
angry notes to myself helped. I fear that I am continuing this pattern
on people I have no real problem with.

I don't know if anyone can help or you know any organisations can help
as I really loathe myself for what I have become.

Ray

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Ray,

Thanks for taking the step to email us. It sounds like things are tough
for you at the moment but you've done a good thing by getting in touch
to look for help. At Get Connected we don?t give advice or counselling
ourselves but we try to find organisations that may be able to help.

Our service is for young people under the age of 25. This means we are
limited in what we can suggest for you but hopefully the places below
will be able to help you further.

There?s an organisation called CALM. They offer help, information and
advice to men aged 15-35. They deal with issues such as abuse, bullying,
mental health, relationships and self-harm. The CALM helpline is open
everyday from 5pm-12am (midnight) on 0800 58 58 58. You can also go to
www.thecalmzone.net for more details and information.

The National Association for People Abused in Childhood provides
emotional care and practical information to those affected by childhood
sexual abuse, as well as those who support them. The helpline number is
0800 085 3330 and it is open Monday, Tuesday and Thursday from 10am-9pm,
Wednesday, 10am-8pm and Friday 10am-6pm. The website is www.napac.org.uk
and you can also email NAPAC via the website.

There is an organisation called Survivors UK which provides information,
advice and support to male survivors of rape and sexual abuse, as well
as their families and supporters. The helpline is open Mondays and
Tuesdays at 7-9.30pm and Thursdays at 12-2.30pm on 0845 122 1201. You
can email at [e-mail] or go to the website
www.survivorsuk.org for more details.

All the best,
Sam
Get Connected


In a way, it was refreshing to see amboguy show some remorse for who he is as a person. And enlightening to learn that he was abused in the past. But it's still quite disturbing that anyone would waste the time of organizations that donate their time to help people like him.

Stay classy, my friend.

[Deleted]

Oh my god you really have gone off the scale now.

You are unbelievable.

If you want to lie then that's up to you and there is nothing I can do about that. I really thought that you were more mature about this but I guess I was wrong.

I feel very sorry for you.

What you've failed to mention is that you've got into a lot of arguments with different people on that thread but don't let that stop you.

Now I kept quiet or a lot if this thread as it was just going round in circles. When I saw your rape comment though that was just going too far. You seem to have no remorse for saying it which is even worse.

And now you're telling lies about other forum members! You really are special aren't you.