dundun
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by dundun on Mar 20, 2024 23:03:46 GMT 1, I got an email as a lotto winner on a Prismatic Head. So excited. This is about as big of a score as my first Banksy from POW. Jumped outta my chair when I got the email. Going to the framers instantly. Many thanks to AA for this opportunity!!
I got an email as a lotto winner on a Prismatic Head. So excited. This is about as big of a score as my first Banksy from POW. Jumped outta my chair when I got the email. Going to the framers instantly. Many thanks to AA for this opportunity!!
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Sunny Garcia
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Sunny Garcia on Mar 21, 2024 3:55:24 GMT 1, There are no guarantees, many people piled into the Harland Miller "Hates outta Date" print, only to find it's now a very difficult print to sell anywhere near cost. It could be many years down the road. I donโt think you can compare the HM prints to these. Again, Harlandโs market is almost UK exclusive, and the penguins have been played out.
Condo is more on par with Jonas Wood, and has a much broader (global) fan base.
Don't get me wrong, I love HM, but I just donโt think those โcrappyโ white cube prints come close to these.
There are no guarantees, many people piled into the Harland Miller "Hates outta Date" print, only to find it's now a very difficult print to sell anywhere near cost. It could be many years down the road. I donโt think you can compare the HM prints to these. Again, Harlandโs market is almost UK exclusive, and the penguins have been played out. Condo is more on par with Jonas Wood, and has a much broader (global) fan base. Don't get me wrong, I love HM, but I just donโt think those โcrappyโ white cube prints come close to these.
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LJCal
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by LJCal on Mar 21, 2024 4:23:51 GMT 1, After being turned down, I've been offered two being flipped within hours. The process was a bit of a joke really, the reality is that 80% of these will get flipped and well before 2 years. This is the 6th AA work that I bought secondary for my collection but if getting the one decent release out of 10 means having to buy the 9 that lose money then you probably are better off paying a premium secondary. For anyone interested I paid ยฃ7k so about a 20% mark up, once the hype fades and people stop trying to convince the market these are worth ยฃ20k off the bat, I expect people who missed out will be able to buy one at this kind of price, especially if they're open to any of the 3. I'd be surprised if more than 100 went to people in it for the long term. Obviously I bought this because I think it's a great print so I have no interest now talking it down, but people hoping for a quick 2-3x on their money will be disappointed, this isn't 2021. Buyers don't get caught with FOMO and overpay, I don't see these going for cost or below but also don't think they'll go for big money until 200-300 find their way into decent collections.
After being turned down, I've been offered two being flipped within hours. The process was a bit of a joke really, the reality is that 80% of these will get flipped and well before 2 years. This is the 6th AA work that I bought secondary for my collection but if getting the one decent release out of 10 means having to buy the 9 that lose money then you probably are better off paying a premium secondary. For anyone interested I paid ยฃ7k so about a 20% mark up, once the hype fades and people stop trying to convince the market these are worth ยฃ20k off the bat, I expect people who missed out will be able to buy one at this kind of price, especially if they're open to any of the 3. I'd be surprised if more than 100 went to people in it for the long term. Obviously I bought this because I think it's a great print so I have no interest now talking it down, but people hoping for a quick 2-3x on their money will be disappointed, this isn't 2021. Buyers don't get caught with FOMO and overpay, I don't see these going for cost or below but also don't think they'll go for big money until 200-300 find their way into decent collections.
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LJCal
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by LJCal on Mar 21, 2024 4:26:52 GMT 1, A post designed to make a few dozen members spontaneously combust!
A post designed to make a few dozen members spontaneously combust!
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LJCal
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by LJCal on Mar 21, 2024 4:29:13 GMT 1, If there arenโt any real sales threads yet, AA must have done a pretty good job placing them. They didn't, I think they did the best they could but 80% of their regular clients buy to flip quickly. They probably would have been better off saving all the time and hassle and doing an F5 job.
If there arenโt any real sales threads yet, AA must have done a pretty good job placing them. They didn't, I think they did the best they could but 80% of their regular clients buy to flip quickly. They probably would have been better off saving all the time and hassle and doing an F5 job.
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whob1
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by whob1 on Mar 21, 2024 8:07:28 GMT 1, Already on Artsy. "Baldwin Contemporary" dont care...
Already on Artsy. "Baldwin Contemporary" dont care...
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orchid
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by orchid on Mar 21, 2024 8:10:53 GMT 1, There are no guarantees, many people piled into the Harland Miller "Hates outta Date" print, only to find it's now a very difficult print to sell anywhere near cost. It could be many years down the road. I donโt think you can compare the HM prints to these. Again, Harlandโs market is almost UK exclusive, and the penguins have been played out. Condo is more on par with Jonas Wood, and has a much broader (global) fan base. Don't get me wrong, I love HM, but I just donโt think those โcrappyโ white cube prints come close to these.
And where are Jonas Wood prints now after the ascent and then descent? Selling at or below cost
There are no guarantees, many people piled into the Harland Miller "Hates outta Date" print, only to find it's now a very difficult print to sell anywhere near cost. It could be many years down the road. I donโt think you can compare the HM prints to these. Again, Harlandโs market is almost UK exclusive, and the penguins have been played out. Condo is more on par with Jonas Wood, and has a much broader (global) fan base. Don't get me wrong, I love HM, but I just donโt think those โcrappyโ white cube prints come close to these. And where are Jonas Wood prints now after the ascent and then descent? Selling at or below cost
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Fuzzyduck121
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Fuzzyduck121 on Mar 21, 2024 8:13:08 GMT 1, I donโt get all the hate
Congrats to those who scored one
I have bought a tonne off AA including timed releases, sold out works and some still sat unsold on their site that have all been kept and nothing resold
Had a protracted interview process and then got offered nothing
Part of the collecting game is taking the wins and the losses and enjoying the ride
Who knows why and how they picked who they did, must be a painfully annoying process for a business to operate under knowing people will end up annoyed either way
I donโt get all the hate
Congrats to those who scored one
I have bought a tonne off AA including timed releases, sold out works and some still sat unsold on their site that have all been kept and nothing resold
Had a protracted interview process and then got offered nothing
Part of the collecting game is taking the wins and the losses and enjoying the ride
Who knows why and how they picked who they did, must be a painfully annoying process for a business to operate under knowing people will end up annoyed either way
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Wanchope
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Wanchope on Mar 21, 2024 8:16:25 GMT 1, Iโm just not sure we can say so much of their collector base flip straight away. For instance 300 Coca Cola vases sold and everyone here seems to believe they were bought to flip but that would mean 240 flipped ( at 80%), and thatโs just not true. How many have you seen up for sale, 20 perhaps max??
All Iโm saying is letโs be fair as Avant Arte never let me down or their quality etc etc
Iโm just not sure we can say so much of their collector base flip straight away. For instance 300 Coca Cola vases sold and everyone here seems to believe they were bought to flip but that would mean 240 flipped ( at 80%), and thatโs just not true. How many have you seen up for sale, 20 perhaps max??
All Iโm saying is letโs be fair as Avant Arte never let me down or their quality etc etc
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keyser
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by keyser on Mar 21, 2024 9:20:57 GMT 1, They'll be a copy of each of these at every Tate Ward auction for the next 7 years. I'm surprised Avant and Tate don't just cut out the middle man and deal with each other directly.
They'll be a copy of each of these at every Tate Ward auction for the next 7 years. I'm surprised Avant and Tate don't just cut out the middle man and deal with each other directly.
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Newar on Mar 21, 2024 9:39:00 GMT 1, got mine directly posted to someone at Phillips Contemporary Art departement , easy peasy
got mine directly posted to someone at Phillips Contemporary Art departement , easy peasy
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ignition0
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by ignition0 on Mar 21, 2024 9:52:59 GMT 1, When are they due to arrive with the people who were successful?
When are they due to arrive with the people who were successful?
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LJCal
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by LJCal on Mar 21, 2024 10:02:38 GMT 1, Iโm just not sure we can say so much of their collector base flip straight away. For instance 300 Coca Cola vases sold and everyone here seems to believe they were bought to flip but that would mean 240 flipped ( at 80%), and thatโs just not true. How many have you seen up for sale, 20 perhaps max?? All Iโm saying is letโs be fair as Avant Arte never let me down or their quality etc etc Itโs early days on those, and there have been plenty available itโs just a question of valuation and opportunity, if these started trading at ยฃ5k I expect the bulk of buyers would become sellers. Iโd probably clarify and say that 80% are bad flippers in that they buy to flip but probably end up having to hold the bag as the markets been so shit. Also in terms of AA I actually have massive respect for them, one of the better publishers out there in terms of customer service and they do an amazing job for the artists they partner with, but everyone has to be realistic, without speculators their business model doesnโt work and loads of releases would simply sit on the shelf.
Iโm just not sure we can say so much of their collector base flip straight away. For instance 300 Coca Cola vases sold and everyone here seems to believe they were bought to flip but that would mean 240 flipped ( at 80%), and thatโs just not true. How many have you seen up for sale, 20 perhaps max?? All Iโm saying is letโs be fair as Avant Arte never let me down or their quality etc etc Itโs early days on those, and there have been plenty available itโs just a question of valuation and opportunity, if these started trading at ยฃ5k I expect the bulk of buyers would become sellers. Iโd probably clarify and say that 80% are bad flippers in that they buy to flip but probably end up having to hold the bag as the markets been so shit. Also in terms of AA I actually have massive respect for them, one of the better publishers out there in terms of customer service and they do an amazing job for the artists they partner with, but everyone has to be realistic, without speculators their business model doesnโt work and loads of releases would simply sit on the shelf.
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samg26
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by samg26 on Mar 21, 2024 10:07:26 GMT 1, When are they due to arrive with the people who were successful? shipping estimated between may 29 - June 5
When are they due to arrive with the people who were successful? shipping estimated between may 29 - June 5
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LJCal
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by LJCal on Mar 21, 2024 10:09:12 GMT 1, I donโt get all the hate Congrats to those who scored one I have bought a tonne off AA including timed releases, sold out works and some still sat unsold on their site that have all been kept and nothing resold Had a protracted interview process and then got offered nothing Part of the collecting game is taking the wins and the losses and enjoying the ride Who knows why and how they picked who they did, must be a painfully annoying process for a business to operate under knowing people will end up annoyed either way Exactly, itโs seems pretty much arbitrary. So why not make it entirely random?
I donโt get all the hate Congrats to those who scored one I have bought a tonne off AA including timed releases, sold out works and some still sat unsold on their site that have all been kept and nothing resold Had a protracted interview process and then got offered nothing Part of the collecting game is taking the wins and the losses and enjoying the ride Who knows why and how they picked who they did, must be a painfully annoying process for a business to operate under knowing people will end up annoyed either way Exactly, itโs seems pretty much arbitrary. So why not make it entirely random?
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Sunny Garcia
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Sunny Garcia on Mar 21, 2024 10:28:22 GMT 1, I donโt think you can compare the HM prints to these. Again, Harlandโs market is almost UK exclusive, and the penguins have been played out. Condo is more on par with Jonas Wood, and has a much broader (global) fan base. Don't get me wrong, I love HM, but I just donโt think those โcrappyโ white cube prints come close to these. And where are Jonas Wood prints now after the ascent and then descent? Selling at or below cost Yes, but cost on a good Jonas Wood print is more like 25K USD
I donโt think you can compare the HM prints to these. Again, Harlandโs market is almost UK exclusive, and the penguins have been played out. Condo is more on par with Jonas Wood, and has a much broader (global) fan base. Don't get me wrong, I love HM, but I just donโt think those โcrappyโ white cube prints come close to these. And where are Jonas Wood prints now after the ascent and then descent? Selling at or below cost Yes, but cost on a good Jonas Wood print is more like 25K USD
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Sunny Garcia
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Sunny Garcia on Mar 21, 2024 10:45:36 GMT 1, I donโt get all the hate Congrats to those who scored one I have bought a tonne off AA including timed releases, sold out works and some still sat unsold on their site that have all been kept and nothing resold Had a protracted interview process and then got offered nothing Part of the collecting game is taking the wins and the losses and enjoying the ride Who knows why and how they picked who they did, must be a painfully annoying process for a business to operate under knowing people will end up annoyed either way Exactly, itโs seems pretty much arbitrary. So why not make it entirely random? Thatโs been debated forever (as you know @ljcal). The fact of the matter is that by doing the release the way it was done, these will end up with good collectors; itโs inevitable. Will the odd person flip one, or course, but I donโt think you see the mass โfloodingโ of the market that you think youโre going to see.
This is also UAA, and again, Iโd wager that most Condo collectors have never even heard of this place. ๐
At the end of the day, ยฃ5.5K for a really good George Condo print is a steal (even in this market). We will see how it all shakes out down the road, but there is no reason to think that these wonโt be on par with other blue chip artistโs editions.
If someone is selling you one today at ยฃ7K, congrats ๐ฅณ
I donโt get all the hate Congrats to those who scored one I have bought a tonne off AA including timed releases, sold out works and some still sat unsold on their site that have all been kept and nothing resold Had a protracted interview process and then got offered nothing Part of the collecting game is taking the wins and the losses and enjoying the ride Who knows why and how they picked who they did, must be a painfully annoying process for a business to operate under knowing people will end up annoyed either way Exactly, itโs seems pretty much arbitrary. So why not make it entirely random? Thatโs been debated forever (as you know @ljcal). The fact of the matter is that by doing the release the way it was done, these will end up with good collectors; itโs inevitable. Will the odd person flip one, or course, but I donโt think you see the mass โfloodingโ of the market that you think youโre going to see. This is also UAA, and again, Iโd wager that most Condo collectors have never even heard of this place. ๐ At the end of the day, ยฃ5.5K for a really good George Condo print is a steal (even in this market). We will see how it all shakes out down the road, but there is no reason to think that these wonโt be on par with other blue chip artistโs editions. If someone is selling you one today at ยฃ7K, congrats ๐ฅณ
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Tom Bueno
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Tom Bueno on Mar 21, 2024 10:54:19 GMT 1, I got one offered for 6.5K just this morning - itโs the blue one which I find the least attractive one so wonโt be going for it. I can pass on the opportunity to anyone interested - drop me a DM.
I got one offered for 6.5K just this morning - itโs the blue one which I find the least attractive one so wonโt be going for it. I can pass on the opportunity to anyone interested - drop me a DM.
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topper
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by topper on Mar 21, 2024 11:13:49 GMT 1, I donโt get all the hate Congrats to those who scored one I have bought a tonne off AA including timed releases, sold out works and some still sat unsold on their site that have all been kept and nothing resold Had a protracted interview process and then got offered nothing Part of the collecting game is taking the wins and the losses and enjoying the ride Who knows why and how they picked who they did, must be a painfully annoying process for a business to operate under knowing people will end up annoyed either way You're a better person than me Fuzzy because i'm in a similar position to yourself and can't help but be pissed!
Surely they should look after their (what my grandad would call) 'bread and butter' clients first, before chasing some attractive potentials who happen to have a decent spiel?
Or maybe they don't think much of my collection, much of which they supplied!
I don't mind missing out, you win some and lose some, but handing them to people who have never bought anything at the expense of regular clients seems wrong.
I donโt get all the hate Congrats to those who scored one I have bought a tonne off AA including timed releases, sold out works and some still sat unsold on their site that have all been kept and nothing resold Had a protracted interview process and then got offered nothing Part of the collecting game is taking the wins and the losses and enjoying the ride Who knows why and how they picked who they did, must be a painfully annoying process for a business to operate under knowing people will end up annoyed either way You're a better person than me Fuzzy because i'm in a similar position to yourself and can't help but be pissed! Surely they should look after their (what my grandad would call) 'bread and butter' clients first, before chasing some attractive potentials who happen to have a decent spiel? Or maybe they don't think much of my collection, much of which they supplied! I don't mind missing out, you win some and lose some, but handing them to people who have never bought anything at the expense of regular clients seems wrong.
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Boostthegoat
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Boostthegoat on Mar 21, 2024 11:36:48 GMT 1, I donโt get all the hate Congrats to those who scored one I have bought a tonne off AA including timed releases, sold out works and some still sat unsold on their site that have all been kept and nothing resold Had a protracted interview process and then got offered nothing Part of the collecting game is taking the wins and the losses and enjoying the ride Who knows why and how they picked who they did, must be a painfully annoying process for a business to operate under knowing people will end up annoyed either way You're a better person than me Fuzzy because i'm in a similar position to yourself and can't help but be pissed! Surely they should look after their (what my grandad would call) 'bread and butter' clients first, before chasing some attractive potentials who happen to have a decent spiel? Or maybe they don't think much of my collection, much of which they supplied! I don't mind missing out, you win some and lose some, but handing them to people who have never bought anything at the expense of regular clients seems wrong. Once upon a time, you too were some attractive potentials who happened to have a decent spiel? ... who have never bought anything."
In essence, the whole idea is to keep a balance between making sure established collectors are happy while introducing new collectors to his work, which is a common practice with high-end watchmakers such as Patek and AP.
P.S. I too have made a few purchases with AA and I too did not get one. Also, pissed ๐๐
I donโt get all the hate Congrats to those who scored one I have bought a tonne off AA including timed releases, sold out works and some still sat unsold on their site that have all been kept and nothing resold Had a protracted interview process and then got offered nothing Part of the collecting game is taking the wins and the losses and enjoying the ride Who knows why and how they picked who they did, must be a painfully annoying process for a business to operate under knowing people will end up annoyed either way You're a better person than me Fuzzy because i'm in a similar position to yourself and can't help but be pissed! Surely they should look after their (what my grandad would call) 'bread and butter' clients first, before chasing some attractive potentials who happen to have a decent spiel? Or maybe they don't think much of my collection, much of which they supplied! I don't mind missing out, you win some and lose some, but handing them to people who have never bought anything at the expense of regular clients seems wrong. Once upon a time, you too were some attractive potentials who happened to have a decent spiel? ... who have never bought anything." In essence, the whole idea is to keep a balance between making sure established collectors are happy while introducing new collectors to his work, which is a common practice with high-end watchmakers such as Patek and AP. P.S. I too have made a few purchases with AA and I too did not get one. Also, pissed ๐๐
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Jimini Cricket
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Jimini Cricket on Mar 21, 2024 11:45:12 GMT 1, If you missed out on primary, don't despair. You can always pay resale๐คทโโ๏ธ
If you missed out on primary, don't despair. You can always pay resale๐คทโโ๏ธ
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Riotcops on Mar 21, 2024 12:32:24 GMT 1, โ Iโm delighted to share that weโre already working on our next collaboration with George Condo, another limited edition that will launch within the next 12 months.โ - AA
โ Iโm delighted to share that weโre already working on our next collaboration with George Condo, another limited edition that will launch within the next 12 months.โ - AA
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rbt
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by rbt on Mar 21, 2024 12:41:08 GMT 1, AA โIโm delighted to share that weโre already working on our next collaboration with George Condo, another limited edition that will launch within the next 12 years.โ - AA
Fixed it for you.
AA โIโm delighted to share that weโre already working on our next collaboration with George Condo, another limited edition that will launch within the next 12 years.โ - AA
Fixed it for you.
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topper
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by topper on Mar 21, 2024 12:48:40 GMT 1, โ Iโm delighted to share that weโre already working on our next collaboration with George Condo, another limited edition that will launch within the next 12 months.โ - AA Oh dear!
โ Iโm delighted to share that weโre already working on our next collaboration with George Condo, another limited edition that will launch within the next 12 months.โ - AA Oh dear!
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by 18921892 on Mar 21, 2024 12:52:07 GMT 1, Great news, more the merrier. Thanks AA
Great news, more the merrier. Thanks AA
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Sunny Garcia
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Sunny Garcia on Mar 21, 2024 13:08:39 GMT 1, Agreed, and Baldwin's other stuff is priced ridiculously high, so I'm not sure what's going on here.
A few people I know who missed out have reached out to inquire.
Agreed, and Baldwin's other stuff is priced ridiculously high, so I'm not sure what's going on here. A few people I know who missed out have reached out to inquire.
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by radarrat on Mar 21, 2024 13:08:53 GMT 1, They definitely don't have it, they're just advertising themselves, it wouldn't be the first time...
They definitely don't have it, they're just advertising themselves, it wouldn't be the first time...
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by Jonas B on Mar 21, 2024 13:14:22 GMT 1, โ Iโm delighted to share that weโre already working on our next collaboration with George Condo, another limited edition that will launch within the next 12 months.โ - AA Spoken to a few people who had the interview and missed out. All said โthey can go screw themselvesโ. Iโm sure there will be the same level of applicants but there are some very p*ssed off people!
โ Iโm delighted to share that weโre already working on our next collaboration with George Condo, another limited edition that will launch within the next 12 months.โ - AA Spoken to a few people who had the interview and missed out. All said โthey can go screw themselvesโ. Iโm sure there will be the same level of applicants but there are some very p*ssed off people!
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by its all about me on Mar 21, 2024 13:22:43 GMT 1, Just got all 3 emails stating I didnโt win, so no need to wait 24hrs lol This whole release was a joke. Why do you think it was "a joke"? Is it because you didn't win?
Just got all 3 emails stating I didnโt win, so no need to wait 24hrs lol This whole release was a joke. Why do you think it was "a joke"? Is it because you didn't win?
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