[Jules Leotard]

Oct 9, 2023 9:51:48 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

For anyone saying it's good, here's a close-up

I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be 'taken in' from a distance.  The negative space 100% points to Banksy.  The woman's hand...VERY Banksy.

[hnkpnk]

Oct 9, 2023 13:45:08 GMT 1 drip said:

...

And if, IF, it IS by Banksy - then I love it.


If it turns out to be by someone else.....well...meh...good effort.

And if, IF, it IS by Banksy....well...meh...good effort.

If it turns out to be by someone else - then I love it.

[Minecrafter]

Oct 9, 2023 15:25:40 GMT 1 drip said:

Oct 9, 2023 15:18:03 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Well I guess it's tasteless timing in general. Unless Banksy had a autopilot team paid to inflict this monstrosity onto society on a designated date. 

Has Banksy ever done anything you've liked?

Anything at all?

Some of the taxidermy stuff they commissioned of Polly Morgan is quite nice. Although it flies in the face of some of their other messages. 😉

[drip]

Oct 9, 2023 15:37:58 GMT 1 Jules Leotard said:

Oct 9, 2023 9:51:48 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

For anyone saying it's good, here's a close-up

I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be 'taken in' from a distance.  The negative space 100% points to Banksy.  The woman's hand...VERY Banksy.

Classic Banksy flipper.

[drip]

Oct 9, 2023 15:44:59 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Oct 9, 2023 15:25:40 GMT 1 drip said:

Has Banksy ever done anything you've liked?

Anything at all?

Some of the taxidermy stuff they commissioned of Polly Morgan is quite nice. Although it flies in the face of some of their other messages. 😉

I think she only used roadkill or animals that died peacefully of natural causes, no?

I find it hard to imagine Ms Morgan going out with a torch in the middle of the night and clubbing rats to death with it.

[Jules Leotard]

Thanks for the laugh.  That one will get me through the day!

[Carl Cashman Art]

Oct 9, 2023 15:44:59 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Oct 9, 2023 15:25:40 GMT 1 drip said:

Has Banksy ever done anything you've liked?

Anything at all?

Some of the taxidermy stuff they commissioned of Polly Morgan is quite nice. Although it flies in the face of some of their other messages. 😉

She only uses naturally dead animals J

[Minecrafter]

Oct 9, 2023 15:58:33 GMT 1 Carl Cashman Art said:

Oct 9, 2023 15:44:59 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Some of the taxidermy stuff they commissioned of Polly Morgan is quite nice. Although it flies in the face of some of their other messages. 😉

She only uses naturally dead animals J

Some people view taxidermy animals as wrong , no matter how they died. I haven't said anything about how Polly sources her animals - because I don't know.

It's interesting how noone denies where Banksy got the taxidermy animals from though 😂

[King Robbo Lives]

Has my vote. If not, incredible fake and where do I buy?

[bookends]

Oct 9, 2023 16:04:55 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Oct 9, 2023 15:58:33 GMT 1 Carl Cashman Art said:

She only uses naturally dead animals J

Some people view taxidermy animals as wrong , no matter how they died. I haven't said anything about how Polly sources her animals - because I don't know.

It's interesting how noone denies where Banksy got the taxidermy animals from though 😂

Well there was us all thinking he stuffed them all himself  lol  He doesnt fill his own cans with paint either

[JW]

For me it's not necessarily the execution that creates doubt in my mind - like the Orange Order Rat something is just off with its message and timing.

Purely gut feel. I have been wrong before.

[warsaw project]

Only just seen this. 1st impression is yes.

Looks like it might have taken some time to execute, erect hoarding etc point to Banksy for me. Perhaps its not finished and they got interrupted during the process. If its not Banksy it's a pretty brazen location so i would imagine they are well known outfit

[reg]

respect poem

Sorry but when I look at what Banksy is culpable of, the detail on this face for example, there's not a chance this is legit.

[jp]

Oct 9, 2023 19:26:26 GMT 1 reg said:

respect poem

Sorry but when I look at what Banksy is culpable of, the detail on this face for example, there's not a chance this is legit.

Unless it was done intentionally, which is entirely possible. AI is famous for getting human features wrong. You've never seen the super creepy AI generated beer commercial?



In addition, the Nottingham hula-hooping girl was pixelated, presumably by design.

[fuzzed]

The more I look at it, it’s as simple as slaves to the machine. Nicely done piece no matter what, even with the more obscure facial features.

[bkcbongo]

While the faces do lack detail, there's something odd with the light on the photo that keeps getting reposted that makes it look worse than it is in the flesh...

[bkcbongo]

[robo]

Banksy frequently plays with different ways for entities in the artwork to have created the graffiti element of the work, so this does read as familiar at first glance.

But to me this work lacks the wit, conciseness or meaning of a good Banksy. It’s also overworked - the image is funnier and cleverer without the struggling humans and the severed power cable. ( I could see a series of simpler robot arm-only works appearing around town as Banksy’s new monkey or rat motif.)

So I’m hoping this is an impersonator not the man himself.

[Jules Leotard]

Oct 10, 2023 3:39:34 GMT 1 robo said:

Banksy frequently plays with different ways for entities in the artwork to have created the graffiti element of the work, so this does read as familiar at first glance.

But to me this work lacks the wit, conciseness or meaning of a good Banksy. It’s also overworked - the image is funnier and cleverer without the struggling humans and the severed power cable. ( I could see a series of simpler robot arm-only works appearing around town as Banksy’s new monkey or rat motif.)

So I’m hoping this is an impersonator not the man himself.

My suspension of disbelief is about to burst...

So, Robo, you have been a member on UAA since 2006 and are unable to identify this as having been done by Banksy?  You see no wit nor meaning in it?   The humans trying to stop the AI machine (the irony) that they created as it "speaks the truth," it is all totally lost on you after following Banksy pretty much as long as anyone on this forum?

 I guess we can all hope that James Straffon takes credit for it.

[My Name is Frank]

Maybe Banksy took the kids to watch the Creator and loved it

[Happy Shopper]

Oct 10, 2023 3:39:34 GMT 1 robo said:

Banksy frequently plays with different ways for entities in the artwork to have created the graffiti element of the work, so this does read as familiar at first glance.

But to me this work lacks the wit, conciseness or meaning of a good Banksy. It’s also overworked - the image is funnier and cleverer without the struggling humans and the severed power cable. ( I could see a series of simpler robot arm-only works appearing around town as Banksy’s new monkey or rat motif.)

So I’m hoping this is an impersonator not the man himself.

Agreed.
it’s not clear if the humans are supposed to be towing it away, or what?
stronger without them.

[Londown 01]

Oct 10, 2023 9:25:25 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Oct 10, 2023 3:39:34 GMT 1 robo said:

Agreed.
it’s not clear if the humans are supposed to be towing it away, or what?
stronger without them.

Completely disagree. Without the humans it is what: an expression of machine utopia?

The inclusion of the humans creates tension and ambiguity:
You do not know whose vision of a future it is. Is the machine only executing human commands? Is it acting completely out of its own "will"? Or is it a joint effort?

That the humans are towing it adds to this: it appears that the humans are trying to act against the machine, towing it away. However, the machine is too small to have written the letters all on its own: therefore the humans towing it really only enables the machine to create the graffiti

[Happy Shopper]

Oct 10, 2023 9:56:57 GMT 1 Londown 01 said:

Oct 10, 2023 9:25:25 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Agreed.
it’s not clear if the humans are supposed to be towing it away, or what?
stronger without them.

Completely disagree. Without the humans it is what: an expression of machine utopia?

The inclusion of the humans creates tension and ambiguity:
You do not know whose vision of a future it is. Is the machine only executing human commands? Is it acting completely out of its own "will"? Or is it a joint effort?

That the humans are towing it adds to this: it appears that the humans are trying to act against the machine, towing it away. However, the machine is too small to have written the letters all on its own: therefore the humans towing it really only enables the machine to create the graffiti

So, what you're saying is, the image is stronger by being ambiguous!?? You don't know what role the humans are playing, but you prefer it like that?
Just seems like a weak image to me, if you can't work out what they're doing.

[lukas01]

I think Banksy is having fun reading these forum pages. 😎

[jamo]

I’m not convinced it’s by Banksy. Good message / meaning, but those faces. Even if intended to be faceless / viewed from a distance, they are weirdly / poorly executed….

[Acme Thunderer]

FWIW, I was immediately convinced it is a Banksy.

If it’s not, then we should be even more excited that there is another street artist with the balls to put such a large and original work in a very public place (which is why I think it’s a Banksy).

The work was intended to be viewed by moving traffic so whoever done it can easily be forgiven if it is lacking detail (as it never needed it).

[Londown 01]

Oct 10, 2023 10:12:40 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Oct 10, 2023 9:56:57 GMT 1 Londown 01 said:

So, what you're saying is, the image is stronger by being ambiguous!?? You don't know what role the humans are playing, but you prefer it like that?
Just seems like a weak image to me, if you can't work out what they're doing.

I'm mildly surprised that you don't share the sentiment. Many of the greatest artworks don't have one definite reading/ message, just think Michelangelo's "Creation of Adam" or Picasso's "Les Demoiselles d'Avignon".

And yes, I think this new street piece is much better because of the ambiguity of its message and therefore openness to multiple interpretations. Two reasons:

- the role of humans in a future society with robots/ AI is unknown: will the machines accept their "slavery" or coexistence with humans, or will they aim to destroy/ enslave us (btw. the topic of about 1000 sci-fi films)

- the attitude of humans towards robots/ AI is varied: some look forward to it, some dread the idea and implications, and some are somewhere in between these


The ambiguity of the graffiti can be seen as reflecting just that. If it were to say "Let the robots build a future without humans", then it would simply be bland and boring. 

[My Name is Frank]

Both the artworks you named appear to have very clear messages from one read. God reaching from heaven to earth and giving Adam life. Picasso a randy git looking in the brothel shop window? What other meanings are there? I'm intrigued as I very often find, when someone offers an alternative I wonder how I never saw it in the first place.

[Londown 01]

Oct 10, 2023 15:14:11 GMT 1 My Name is Frank said:

God reaching from heaven to earth and giving Adam life.

Yes, I (mostly) agree with you on God, but when you consider Adam: he has just been created, is casually lying on the ground. His hand is pointing towards God, but - in contrast to God - his hand is not outstretched. If he wanted to, he could reach God .. but does he even want to? And this combined with his body posture: he is leaning in the other direction, away from God. 

So does it symbolise the close bond between God and his creation or humanity moving away from him/them?

[reg]

Jesus H Christ on a bike I think we can all agree, Banksy or not.....this ain't no Michelangelo