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JFCC
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by JFCC on Mar 3, 2022 11:23:56 GMT 1, It's a really well constructed catalogue, unlike the Bonhams one today which has too many items most of which is pretty random!
However, I would probably have thought that the CYW Gold VIP, CYW, signed GWB, Banksquiat and CWSB would have been better in a higher value auction? Personally I'd have thought those are going to be so far ahead of the other items in value that they will be held back by the comparative lack of "money" in the room. GWB is likely to get to £0.5m where as some pieces will be £1-5k? Just a view!
It will also be interesting to see what Banksquait makes being sold with Pest Controls blessing!
It's a really well constructed catalogue, unlike the Bonhams one today which has too many items most of which is pretty random!
However, I would probably have thought that the CYW Gold VIP, CYW, signed GWB, Banksquiat and CWSB would have been better in a higher value auction? Personally I'd have thought those are going to be so far ahead of the other items in value that they will be held back by the comparative lack of "money" in the room. GWB is likely to get to £0.5m where as some pieces will be £1-5k? Just a view!
It will also be interesting to see what Banksquait makes being sold with Pest Controls blessing!
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by orchid on Mar 3, 2022 11:24:36 GMT 1, Someone's offloading JW😜
Someone's offloading JW😜
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skinback
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by skinback on Mar 3, 2022 12:43:22 GMT 1, Love that Morons (outside the edition). Says a gift, would this have a PC?
Love that Morons (outside the edition). Says a gift, would this have a PC?
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by hubble bubble on Mar 3, 2022 14:04:42 GMT 1, Not sure Christie’s would sell without PC?
Not sure Christie’s would sell without PC?
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Karl Read
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by Karl Read on Mar 3, 2022 14:15:13 GMT 1, I'm really interested to see where the Banksy-Choose Your Weapon, Cool grey ends up at, as I'm thinking of selling mine.
I'm really interested to see where the Banksy-Choose Your Weapon, Cool grey ends up at, as I'm thinking of selling mine.
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by JFCC on Mar 3, 2022 14:16:07 GMT 1, Love that Morons (outside the edition). Says a gift, would this have a PC?
The big Auction Houses only sell verified Banksy’s works and they note that it will be sold with a new COA from Pest Control.
On Banksquait they state it has been authenticated by PC but there will be a slight delay in receiving a COA for GDP items.
Love that Morons (outside the edition). Says a gift, would this have a PC? The big Auction Houses only sell verified Banksy’s works and they note that it will be sold with a new COA from Pest Control. On Banksquait they state it has been authenticated by PC but there will be a slight delay in receiving a COA for GDP items. |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by JFCC on Mar 3, 2022 14:28:03 GMT 1, I'm really interested to see where the Banksy-Choose Your Weapon, Cool grey ends up at, as I'm thinking of selling mine.
CYW Grey seems to be selling all up at between £120k-130k. So you’d probably get £100k back from an auction up to £110k privately. But who knows what will happen with this one!!!
I'm really interested to see where the Banksy-Choose Your Weapon, Cool grey ends up at, as I'm thinking of selling mine. CYW Grey seems to be selling all up at between £120k-130k. So you’d probably get £100k back from an auction up to £110k privately. But who knows what will happen with this one!!! |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by Karl Read on Mar 3, 2022 14:33:35 GMT 1, I'm really interested to see where the Banksy-Choose Your Weapon, Cool grey ends up at, as I'm thinking of selling mine. CYW Grey seems to be selling all up at between £120k-130k. So you’d probably get £100k back from an auction up to £110k privately. But who knows what will happen with this one!!!
I'm really interested to see where the Banksy-Choose Your Weapon, Cool grey ends up at, as I'm thinking of selling mine. CYW Grey seems to be selling all up at between £120k-130k. So you’d probably get £100k back from an auction up to £110k privately. But who knows what will happen with this one!!! Yeah, if this does well, I think I might be more tempted to sell. |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by amz on Mar 3, 2022 17:51:26 GMT 1, Forget the Banksys. The highlight for me is the Tunji Adeniyi-Jones piece. I am excited for the Annan Affotey Daizy piece- his first auction item. I am hoping he will achieve much higher than the suggested price. www.phillips.com/auctions/auction/UK010222
Same really nice piece and a great artist. Going to do very well in 2022 I think. Last primary price of og’s I saw was around £20k and absolutely flew
Forget the Banksys. The highlight for me is the Tunji Adeniyi-Jones piece. I am excited for the Annan Affotey Daizy piece- his first auction item. I am hoping he will achieve much higher than the suggested price. www.phillips.com/auctions/auction/UK010222Same really nice piece and a great artist. Going to do very well in 2022 I think. Last primary price of og’s I saw was around £20k and absolutely flew |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by adamthecollector on Mar 3, 2022 20:59:30 GMT 1, Love that Morons (outside the edition). Says a gift, would this have a PC?
Love that Morons (outside the edition). Says a gift, would this have a PC? Spend your money on an editioned example |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by STP on Mar 4, 2022 10:34:17 GMT 1, Love that Morons (outside the edition). Says a gift, would this have a PC? Spend your money on an editioned example
The small edition of artist's proofs were printed in varying colourways, and this impression outside of the edition has a subtly different warm brown colour scheme to the sepia tones used in the main edition.
This lot is offered with the new Certificate of Authenticity from Pest Control.
Love that Morons (outside the edition). Says a gift, would this have a PC? Spend your money on an editioned example This impression of Morons is 'outside of the edition' of approximately thirty artist's proofs, which features different detailing around the canvas and on some of the figures. These 'brushwork' elements were applied using an alternate screen in the screenprinting process, that was not used in the published edition. The small edition of artist's proofs were printed in varying colourways, and this impression outside of the edition has a subtly different warm brown colour scheme to the sepia tones used in the main edition.
This lot is offered with the new Certificate of Authenticity from Pest Control. |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by met on Mar 4, 2022 11:36:18 GMT 1, Love that Morons (outside the edition). Says a gift, would this have a PC? Spend your money on an editioned example This impression of Morons is 'outside of the edition' of approximately thirty artist's proofs, which features different detailing around the canvas and on some of the figures. These 'brushwork' elements were applied using an alternate screen in the screenprinting process, that was not used in the published edition. The small edition of artist's proofs were printed in varying colourways, and this impression outside of the edition has a subtly different warm brown colour scheme to the sepia tones used in the main edition. This lot is offered with the new Certificate of Authenticity from Pest Control. 
Looks like the auctioneer, the other staff members, and all of the attendees decided to take part in a very civilised dirty protest.
They may have been inspired by the scatological theme of the painting for sale.
Love that Morons (outside the edition). Says a gift, would this have a PC? Spend your money on an editioned example This impression of Morons is 'outside of the edition' of approximately thirty artist's proofs, which features different detailing around the canvas and on some of the figures. These 'brushwork' elements were applied using an alternate screen in the screenprinting process, that was not used in the published edition. The small edition of artist's proofs were printed in varying colourways, and this impression outside of the edition has a subtly different warm brown colour scheme to the sepia tones used in the main edition. This lot is offered with the new Certificate of Authenticity from Pest Control. Looks like the auctioneer, the other staff members, and all of the attendees decided to take part in a very civilised dirty protest. They may have been inspired by the scatological theme of the painting for sale. |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by paparocks64 on Mar 7, 2022 5:56:58 GMT 1, Be interesting to see where the Stik 'Lovers' goes in this Christies auction, though I prefer the blue edition. Various Shrigley pieces in this sale too, his "You Will Not Stop Me from Singing My Song" appears in this auction and then in another Christies sale too, March 9: www.christies.com/lot/lot-6361032
Be interesting to see where the Stik 'Lovers' goes in this Christies auction, though I prefer the blue edition. Various Shrigley pieces in this sale too, his "You Will Not Stop Me from Singing My Song" appears in this auction and then in another Christies sale too, March 9: www.christies.com/lot/lot-6361032 |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by fuzzyduck121 on Mar 7, 2022 9:26:48 GMT 1, Updated wording on the Banksquiat
“This lot has been authenticated by Pest Control. Please note there will be a slight delay from Pest Control in issuing the Certificate of Authenticity for works sold through Gross Domestic Product. The CoA will be sent to the buyer in due course.”
This does mean that it’s been sold at a major house with no COA in hand
I assume this means that PC have guaranteed the authenticity with Christie’s but have advised that the cert will be forthcoming but they’ve OK’d the sale in essence. Interesting
I assume they are still not finalised on the new wording for the Certs but I don’t think a Banksy has been sold without a physical certificate in recent times and just with some sort of agreement with PC has it ?
Updated wording on the Banksquiat
“This lot has been authenticated by Pest Control. Please note there will be a slight delay from Pest Control in issuing the Certificate of Authenticity for works sold through Gross Domestic Product. The CoA will be sent to the buyer in due course.”
This does mean that it’s been sold at a major house with no COA in hand
I assume this means that PC have guaranteed the authenticity with Christie’s but have advised that the cert will be forthcoming but they’ve OK’d the sale in essence. Interesting
I assume they are still not finalised on the new wording for the Certs but I don’t think a Banksy has been sold without a physical certificate in recent times and just with some sort of agreement with PC has it ?
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by JFCC on Mar 7, 2022 10:58:57 GMT 1, Updated wording on the Banksquiat “This lot has been authenticated by Pest Control. Please note there will be a slight delay from Pest Control in issuing the Certificate of Authenticity for works sold through Gross Domestic Product. This does mean that it’s been sold at a major house with no COA in hand I assume this means that PC have guaranteed the authenticity with Christie’s but have advised that the cert will be forthcoming but they’ve OK’d the sale in essence. Interesting I assume they are still not finalised on the new wording for the Certs but I don’t think a Banksy has been sold without a physical certificate in recent times and just with some sort of agreement with PC has it ?
The main Auction houses have very good relationships with Pest Control who fast track both the authentication and the certificate production, that said they still can take a couple of months to come through.
The key points from the statement are "authenticated" and "The CoA will be sent to the buyer in due course.” Clearly Pest Control are comfortable that suggested holding period for GDP pieces has expired.
The 4 Banksquaits and 3 Throwers sold by Tate Ward were not authenticated by Pest Control.
Updated wording on the Banksquiat “This lot has been authenticated by Pest Control. Please note there will be a slight delay from Pest Control in issuing the Certificate of Authenticity for works sold through Gross Domestic Product. This does mean that it’s been sold at a major house with no COA in hand I assume this means that PC have guaranteed the authenticity with Christie’s but have advised that the cert will be forthcoming but they’ve OK’d the sale in essence. Interesting I assume they are still not finalised on the new wording for the Certs but I don’t think a Banksy has been sold without a physical certificate in recent times and just with some sort of agreement with PC has it ? This is nothing new in this other than its a GDP piece of work and here is a little bit more of a delay. The main Auction houses have very good relationships with Pest Control who fast track both the authentication and the certificate production, that said they still can take a couple of months to come through. The key points from the statement are "authenticated" and "The CoA will be sent to the buyer in due course.” Clearly Pest Control are comfortable that suggested holding period for GDP pieces has expired. The 4 Banksquaits and 3 Throwers sold by Tate Ward were not authenticated by Pest Control. |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by fuzzyduck121 on Mar 7, 2022 12:11:41 GMT 1, That is indeed also an interesting point
Those thrower purchasers must be a little nervous ?
As must TW be for underwriting the fallout from a lack of supply of the PC in due course
That is indeed also an interesting point
Those thrower purchasers must be a little nervous ?
As must TW be for underwriting the fallout from a lack of supply of the PC in due course
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by JFCC on Mar 7, 2022 13:58:02 GMT 1, That is indeed also an interesting point Those thrower purchasers must be a little nervous ? As must TW be for underwriting the fallout from a lack of supply of the PC in due course
I would hazard a guess that TW are not underwriting the COA position as that would be a pretty big exposure unless they could pass it back to the buyer, who will probably have spent the money already!!
That is indeed also an interesting point Those thrower purchasers must be a little nervous ? As must TW be for underwriting the fallout from a lack of supply of the PC in due course I would be very surprised if there was a problem as I doubt Pest Control would want to penalise individuals who purchased the items, I am sure they will just be less willing to help the Auction house in the future. Whichever way you look at it it's fairly disreputable behaviour from TW. I would hazard a guess that TW are not underwriting the COA position as that would be a pretty big exposure unless they could pass it back to the buyer, who will probably have spent the money already!! |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by fuzzyduck121 on Mar 8, 2022 13:02:11 GMT 1, That is indeed also an interesting point Those thrower purchasers must be a little nervous ? As must TW be for underwriting the fallout from a lack of supply of the PC in due course I would be very surprised if there was a problem as I doubt Pest Control would want to penalise individuals who purchased the items, I am sure they will just be less willing to help the Auction house in the future. Whichever way you look at it it's fairly disreputable behaviour from TW. I would hazard a guess that TW are not underwriting the COA position as that would be a pretty big exposure unless they could pass it back to the buyer, who will probably have spent the money already!!
TW have indeed issued in writing guarantees to GDP item buyers that if the PC isn’t forthcoming within 2 years of their purchase they will personally refund the purchase price plus expenses
That is indeed also an interesting point Those thrower purchasers must be a little nervous ? As must TW be for underwriting the fallout from a lack of supply of the PC in due course I would be very surprised if there was a problem as I doubt Pest Control would want to penalise individuals who purchased the items, I am sure they will just be less willing to help the Auction house in the future. Whichever way you look at it it's fairly disreputable behaviour from TW. I would hazard a guess that TW are not underwriting the COA position as that would be a pretty big exposure unless they could pass it back to the buyer, who will probably have spent the money already!! TW have indeed issued in writing guarantees to GDP item buyers that if the PC isn’t forthcoming within 2 years of their purchase they will personally refund the purchase price plus expenses |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by JFCC on Mar 8, 2022 18:12:58 GMT 1, I would be very surprised if there was a problem as I doubt Pest Control would want to penalise individuals who purchased the items, I am sure they will just be less willing to help the Auction house in the future. Whichever way you look at it it's fairly disreputable behaviour from TW. I would hazard a guess that TW are not underwriting the COA position as that would be a pretty big exposure unless they could pass it back to the buyer, who will probably have spent the money already!! TW have indeed issued in writing guarantees to GDP item buyers that if the PC isn’t forthcoming within 2 years of their purchase they will personally refund the purchase price plus expenses
Thanks for that update, if they have then that’s pretty magnanimous of them. There’s is no more they could possibly do, assuming they’ve seen all the ownership audit trail and invoices etc. Certainly they cannot be held accountable for lost profits as the buyer has been fully made aware of the risks!
I would be very surprised if there was a problem as I doubt Pest Control would want to penalise individuals who purchased the items, I am sure they will just be less willing to help the Auction house in the future. Whichever way you look at it it's fairly disreputable behaviour from TW. I would hazard a guess that TW are not underwriting the COA position as that would be a pretty big exposure unless they could pass it back to the buyer, who will probably have spent the money already!! TW have indeed issued in writing guarantees to GDP item buyers that if the PC isn’t forthcoming within 2 years of their purchase they will personally refund the purchase price plus expenses Thanks for that update, if they have then that’s pretty magnanimous of them. There’s is no more they could possibly do, assuming they’ve seen all the ownership audit trail and invoices etc. Certainly they cannot be held accountable for lost profits as the buyer has been fully made aware of the risks! |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by covertshadowops on Mar 14, 2022 14:49:53 GMT 1, 24 hours to go......
24 hours to go......
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by orchid on Mar 14, 2022 23:09:59 GMT 1, Don't mind a bit of subtle advertising
Don't mind a bit of subtle advertising
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JFCC
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by JFCC on Mar 14, 2022 23:58:09 GMT 1, Don't mind a bit of subtle advertising
To right it’s a good catalogue…fascinating where some of the pieces will get to…or not!!
Don't mind a bit of subtle advertising To right it’s a good catalogue…fascinating where some of the pieces will get to…or not!! |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by The Italian One on Mar 15, 2022 9:21:04 GMT 1, banksquiat with no bid yet 
banksquiat with no bid yet |
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by laughn0w on Mar 15, 2022 12:04:07 GMT 1, Some bargains still. Laugh now, happy choppers…and that signed morons outside edition proof going for so much cheaper than the donuts. Let’s see what the next two hours bring.
Some bargains still. Laugh now, happy choppers…and that signed morons outside edition proof going for so much cheaper than the donuts. Let’s see what the next two hours bring.
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by JFCC on Mar 15, 2022 12:15:44 GMT 1, Very difficult to call this one, the world events will undoubtedly have some impact on it so it does become an early barometer of the market and economy.
GWB now has a bid and I would expect a light flurry on some of the bigger pieces such as CYWs, Christ With Shopping Bags etc as well as we get in to the last hour/minutes.
Laugh Now is a bargain as it stands, as is Pulp Fiction which has no bids, but has been seen a lot in the last 18 months. The last Christies Online Auction saw nearly everything sold, as well as a calamitous system crash.
Could be good watch time to get a cup of tea!!!
Very difficult to call this one, the world events will undoubtedly have some impact on it so it does become an early barometer of the market and economy.
GWB now has a bid and I would expect a light flurry on some of the bigger pieces such as CYWs, Christ With Shopping Bags etc as well as we get in to the last hour/minutes.
Laugh Now is a bargain as it stands, as is Pulp Fiction which has no bids, but has been seen a lot in the last 18 months. The last Christies Online Auction saw nearly everything sold, as well as a calamitous system crash.
Could be good watch time to get a cup of tea!!!
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by fuzzyduck121 on Mar 15, 2022 13:37:38 GMT 1, This could be incredibly exciting or incredibly telling
I’m making a brew
As someone who isn’t selling but has 5 or 6 of the pieces in this sale it’s certainly interesting to watch
My gut says it’s going to flop rather than rally at the end but I am usually wrong
This could be incredibly exciting or incredibly telling
I’m making a brew
As someone who isn’t selling but has 5 or 6 of the pieces in this sale it’s certainly interesting to watch
My gut says it’s going to flop rather than rally at the end but I am usually wrong
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by teabaggins on Mar 15, 2022 13:38:28 GMT 1, I’ve never received so many Special Notices in a single auction with the reserves being lowered. Not great.
I’ve never received so many Special Notices in a single auction with the reserves being lowered. Not great.
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by fuzzyduck121 on Mar 15, 2022 13:46:27 GMT 1, Those opening bids were crazy high which I didn’t understand at all
Isn’t the idea to get the interest going and the reserve stops then being undersold anyway so start the bids at 1000 ?
Those opening bids were crazy high which I didn’t understand at all
Isn’t the idea to get the interest going and the reserve stops then being undersold anyway so start the bids at 1000 ?
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Christies: Banksy & 21st Century Editions online auction, by JFCC on Mar 15, 2022 13:47:00 GMT 1, With 15 mins to go, 19 lots from 72 have no bids on them, 8 of which are Banksy's, might even get a biscuit to go with the tea!!
With 15 mins to go, 19 lots from 72 have no bids on them, 8 of which are Banksy's, might even get a biscuit to go with the tea!!
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