[Levi Stubbs Tears]

Please PM me if you have one to sell. I am happy to deal in complete confidence.

[JFCC]

What kind of price guide are you offering out of interest?

[takash]

What’s the VIP edition?

[Mojo 88]

Sept 24, 2021 3:49:47 GMT 1 takash said:

What’s the VIP edition?

The black and white hand finished edition.

[Levi Stubbs Tears]

I understood the VIP edition to be the ones sold in frames as speced by Banksy.

The HF edition of 15 are something else I believe.

In any event, it was the former I'm after.

[chefd]

I was in touch with PC regarding the COA for my Thrower... they said they will require proof that purchasers still possess the piece before the COA is sent out.

How they will do this I have no idea.... photo with todays copy of The Sun? lol

[apprint]

Sept 24, 2021 20:35:17 GMT 1 chefd said:

I was in touch with PC regarding the COA for my Thrower... they said they will require proof that purchasers still possess the piece before the COA is sent out.

How they will do this I have no idea.... photo with todays copy of The Sun? lol

Picture of ID, newspapers of the day Than email is received, and print...

[Dexter Bulldog]

Sept 24, 2021 20:35:17 GMT 1 chefd said:

I was in touch with PC regarding the COA for my Thrower... they said they will require proof that purchasers still possess the piece before the COA is sent out.

How they will do this I have no idea.... photo with todays copy of The Sun? lol

What was the timeframe they said? Been almost 2 years since purchase now?

[iamzero]

It’ll be a twist if they refuse to issue Pest Control for those that have already sold on.

[Skizz 82]

Good Job PC

[Pootle]

Sept 24, 2021 20:35:17 GMT 1 chefd said:

I was in touch with PC regarding the COA for my Thrower... they said they will require proof that purchasers still possess the piece before the COA is sent out.

How they will do this I have no idea.... photo with todays copy of The Sun? lol

Given the above, that would make it problematic for people who have bought via galleries (so don’t know the original buyer) or if sellers who, realising the current value, ask for an additional payment (which they’d probably get as unlikely to go to court).

Either way - interesting that pc has decided to do this, rather than automatically post out coas.

[Sundowner]

Sept 25, 2021 17:19:26 GMT 1 Pootle said:

Sept 24, 2021 20:35:17 GMT 1 chefd said:

I was in touch with PC regarding the COA for my Thrower... they said they will require proof that purchasers still possess the piece before the COA is sent out.

How they will do this I have no idea.... photo with todays copy of The Sun? lol

Given the above, that would make it problematic for people who have bought via galleries (so don’t know the original buyer) or if sellers who, realising the current value, ask for an additional payment (which they’d probably get as unlikely to go to court).

Either way - interesting that pc has decided to do this, rather than automatically post out coas.

I suspect a few buyers may be on the shitlist after this.

[singerstu]

Sept 24, 2021 20:35:17 GMT 1 chefd said:

I was in touch with PC regarding the COA for my Thrower... they said they will require proof that purchasers still possess the piece before the COA is sent out.

How they will do this I have no idea.... photo with todays copy of The Sun? lol

Nowadays for prints they ask for a photo of the edition number with some photo ID. Smart sellers will no doubt have taken the photo while the item was still in their possession.

[chefd]

Maybe they could refuse to send a COA based on the following?

"We may need certain information from you so that we can supply the item to you. We will contact you to ask for this information. If you do not give us this information within a reasonable time of us asking for it, or if you give us incomplete or incorrect information, we may end the contract or decline to enter into a contract. We will not be responsible for not supplying any item if this is caused by you not giving us the information we need within a reasonable time of us asking for it."

If the original purchaser cant supply whatever it is they are requesting, such as a photo of the piece with ID, then they could refuse to issue the COA.

Any legal bigwigs around? lol

[chefd]

There also appears to be no mention of the COAs being sent out automatically.

"Certificates of Authenticity

Some of the items sold by GDP will be accorded a Certificate of Authenticity.

If you are invited to purchase an item which will be given a Certificate of Authenticity then you may be required to enter into a separate sales agreement with us as a condition of purchasing.

We will not issue a Certificate of Authenticity for an item until the second anniversary of the date of purchase. Certificates will be sent to the purchaser at the delivery address for the relevant item. Please be sure to tell us if your details change.

Please contact us by email at [e-mail] if your address changes or if you do not receive a Certificate of Authenticity within 30 days after the second anniversary of the date of your purchase.

Emails, invoices and receipts from GDP do not constitute Certificates of Authenticity."

[apprint]

I'm looking for a black banksquiat and one selling please do let me know

[DAVID HOCKNEY]

Sept 25, 2021 19:37:13 GMT 1 chefd said:

Maybe they could refuse to send a COA based on the following?

"We may need certain information from you so that we can supply the item to you. We will contact you to ask for this information. If you do not give us this information within a reasonable time of us asking for it, or if you give us incomplete or incorrect information, we may end the contract or decline to enter into a contract. We will not be responsible for not supplying any item if this is caused by you not giving us the information we need within a reasonable time of us asking for it."

If the original purchaser cant supply whatever it is they are requesting, such as a photo of the piece with ID, then they could refuse to issue the COA.

Any legal bigwigs around? lol

"If you do not give us this information within a reasonable time of us asking for it"

I wonder what PC consider a 'reasonable time' when they already have people waiting years for a COA

[Pootle]

Sept 25, 2021 18:03:21 GMT 1 singerstu said:

Sept 24, 2021 20:35:17 GMT 1 chefd said:

I was in touch with PC regarding the COA for my Thrower... they said they will require proof that purchasers still possess the piece before the COA is sent out.

How they will do this I have no idea.... photo with todays copy of The Sun? lol

Nowadays for prints they ask for a photo of the edition number with some photo ID. Smart sellers will no doubt have taken the photo while the item was still in their possession.

If they use that method you’re right. That doesn’t technically prove it’s still in your possession so they may want proof of possession on today’s date - who knows

[newguy]

It clearly says they will automatically send out the COAs on the anniversary of purchase date and you should receive it within 30 days from that date and if you dont receive them to email them. Pretty simple.

[Fuzzyduck121]

“We will not issue a Certificate of Authenticity for an item until the second anniversary of the date of purchase. Certificates will be sent to the purchaser at the delivery address for the relevant item. Please be sure to tell us if your details change.

Please contact us by email at [e-mail] if your address changes or if you do not receive a Certificate of Authenticity within 30 days after the second anniversary of the date of your purchase.”

Nothing in the above says that a certificate will be sent automatically if you read it correctly. It states if you don’t receive it within 30 days of the anniversary you can contact them. It never states that they plan to send them without being asked. Read each statement individually rather than assuming the dots are connected

[newguy]

Oct 4, 2021 7:52:22 GMT 1 Fuzzyduck121 said:

“We will not issue a Certificate of Authenticity for an item until the second anniversary of the date of purchase. Certificates will be sent to the purchaser at the delivery address for the relevant item. Please be sure to tell us if your details change.

Please contact us by email at [e-mail] if your address changes or if you do not receive a Certificate of Authenticity within 30 days after the second anniversary of the date of your purchase.”

Nothing in the above says that a certificate will be sent automatically if you read it correctly. It states if you don’t receive it within 30 days of the anniversary you can contact them. It never states that they plan to send them without being asked. Read each statement individually rather than assuming the dots are connected

Do you not understand english - "If you do not receive it within 30 days after the second anniversay" Why would they ask you to wait 30 days then contact them. If they were not going to automatically send them they would say "Please make a request for your COA on the anniversary of your sale date"

[Fuzzyduck121]

Oct 10, 2021 10:25:34 GMT 1 newguy said:

Oct 4, 2021 7:52:22 GMT 1 Fuzzyduck121 said:

“We will not issue a Certificate of Authenticity for an item until the second anniversary of the date of purchase. Certificates will be sent to the purchaser at the delivery address for the relevant item. Please be sure to tell us if your details change.

Please contact us by email at [e-mail] if your address changes or if you do not receive a Certificate of Authenticity within 30 days after the second anniversary of the date of your purchase.”

Nothing in the above says that a certificate will be sent automatically if you read it correctly. It states if you don’t receive it within 30 days of the anniversary you can contact them. It never states that they plan to send them without being asked. Read each statement individually rather than assuming the dots are connected

Do you not understand english - "If you do not receive it within 30 days after the second anniversay" Why would they ask you to wait 30 days then contact them. If they were not going to automatically send them they would say "Please make a request for your COA on the anniversary of your sale date"

Lol
So you are basing the legal contract on the words that ‘aren’t ‘ there rather than what’s written in black and white.
You can’t fill in the gaps yourself and assume what the contract means.

I could say to you ;
“If I haven’t sent you £100 in the post by next Monday then email me to request it if you want it”
That doesn’t ever mean I have to or you should expect me to do it before Monday .

It’s an effective clause actually because not only does it leave the buyer with the responsibility to request the coa if they want one but it also dictates the earliest date after which they can do so and leaves zero liability on PC for non provision of the COA without it being requested all at the same time.

Although I’m sure you figured that out already

[takash]

There’s a normal edition available on Artsy for £375,000.

[Levi Stubbs Tears]

Sept 21, 2021 12:05:38 GMT 1 Levi Stubbs Tears said:

Please PM me if you have one to sell. I am happy to deal in complete confidence.

Still looking! To clarify, it's the framed set I'm after, not HF