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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by cemltz on Jan 16, 2023 21:49:23 GMT 1, Just got one of the 2017 Tribeca film festival stop sign pieces from Sotheby's.
Somewhat surprisingly, they market these works (and a bunch of other small pieces on paper that they have) as "From the Estate of Richard Hambleton...with a portion of the Estate’s proceeds from the sale to benefit Arts Education at the New Museum of Contemporary Art."
I'll ping Sotheby's and see if "Estate of Richard Hambleton" = "Andy Valmorbida", and if so, how they feel positioning it as such.
Just got one of the 2017 Tribeca film festival stop sign pieces from Sotheby's. Somewhat surprisingly, they market these works (and a bunch of other small pieces on paper that they have) as "From the Estate of Richard Hambleton...with a portion of the Estate’s proceeds from the sale to benefit Arts Education at the New Museum of Contemporary Art." I'll ping Sotheby's and see if "Estate of Richard Hambleton" = "Andy Valmorbida", and if so, how they feel positioning it as such. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by artizana on Sept 21, 2024 18:14:47 GMT 1, Wow! Awesome Hambleton! Nice art Pieces, good luck!
Wow! Awesome Hambleton! Nice art Pieces, good luck!
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by chuppy on Sept 21, 2024 20:45:10 GMT 1, Prices quoted are absolute daylight robbery. Better off putting it all on red
Prices quoted are absolute daylight robbery. Better off putting it all on red
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Deleted on Sept 21, 2024 22:30:18 GMT 1, I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it.
I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb.
I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Deleted on Sept 21, 2024 22:46:08 GMT 1, And the last large work on canvas sold for 89,400 USD at Bonhams May 2024…… certainly seems like a fraction of the price doesn’t it.
And the last large work on canvas sold for 89,400 USD at Bonhams May 2024…… certainly seems like a fraction of the price doesn’t it. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Criminal Mischief on Sept 21, 2024 22:48:28 GMT 1, I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb.
I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. Also worth noting that there's a ton of fakes floating around the market and your account was made last week so references and provenance is essential. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Deleted on Sept 21, 2024 22:57:17 GMT 1, I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. Also worth noting that there's a ton of fakes floating around the market and your account was made last week so references and provenance is essential.
I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. Also worth noting that there's a ton of fakes floating around the market and your account was made last week so references and provenance is essential. Totally agree with you, always really important to check provenance. Always very happy to provide provenance. I had a message on this today and sent the docs over straight away, happy to send them onto you if you drop me a message. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Deleted on Sept 21, 2024 23:08:10 GMT 1, I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. Also worth noting that there's a ton of fakes floating around the market and your account was made last week so references and provenance is essential.
I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. Also worth noting that there's a ton of fakes floating around the market and your account was made last week so references and provenance is essential. Also I appreciate I am new to the forum, it’s a completely valid comment. I’m pretty easy to find online and on LinkedIn where you can see my professional history, articles etc, and I’m always happy to provide docs or answer any questions on work. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Zippy on Sept 22, 2024 0:36:57 GMT 1, What is a ‘qualified Curator’?
What qualifications have you in Curating?
You may well have ‘experience’ but it may be misleading to newer forum members who may read that.
What is a ‘qualified Curator’?
What qualifications have you in Curating?
You may well have ‘experience’ but it may be misleading to newer forum members who may read that.
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by LJCal on Sept 22, 2024 1:36:58 GMT 1, And the last large work on canvas sold for 89,400 USD at Bonhams May 2024…… certainly seems like a fraction of the price doesn’t it.
The fact that two similar works on paper sold for $7500 and $15,000 earlier in 2024 and 2023 (swann and sothebys sales), lines up with the value per cm2 seen in other sales and my view that your valuation is over 3x fair value. I get that the art market is not perfect and spreads exist but generally if your price exceeds the fair value by more than 20-30% you're wasting your time and everyone else's.
You say you're a qualified curator, I'm a Chartered Surveyor by trade and spent decades valuing various kinds of assets, mostly pretty accurately. I've also bought and sold plenty of Hambleton and can tell you his market is in the toilet (you probably know that).The canvas sold at Bonhams in April would have sold for 4-5x more a few years back. My view is not based on one auction result but plenty of private sales and the most recent auction sales many of which were bought in. Anyone with a modicum of sense can see that £50k for a work on paper of that size is 3-4x its value. I'm not sure if you're able to check recent auction sales so I'll help you.
And the last large work on canvas sold for 89,400 USD at Bonhams May 2024…… certainly seems like a fraction of the price doesn’t it. I hope you're joking, you're comparing a 2m2+ (2.4 x 1m) canvas that sold for about £67k to a work on paper a tenth of the size and a work on metal a fifteenth of the size; on a rate per cm2 that would make your works worth about £4-7k, and the comparable is a superior work, being a canvas authenticated by Woodward gallery. The fact that two similar works on paper sold for $7500 and $15,000 earlier in 2024 and 2023 (swann and sothebys sales), lines up with the value per cm2 seen in other sales and my view that your valuation is over 3x fair value. I get that the art market is not perfect and spreads exist but generally if your price exceeds the fair value by more than 20-30% you're wasting your time and everyone else's. You say you're a qualified curator, I'm a Chartered Surveyor by trade and spent decades valuing various kinds of assets, mostly pretty accurately. I've also bought and sold plenty of Hambleton and can tell you his market is in the toilet (you probably know that).The canvas sold at Bonhams in April would have sold for 4-5x more a few years back. My view is not based on one auction result but plenty of private sales and the most recent auction sales many of which were bought in. Anyone with a modicum of sense can see that £50k for a work on paper of that size is 3-4x its value. I'm not sure if you're able to check recent auction sales so I'll help you.
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by LJCal on Sept 22, 2024 1:49:53 GMT 1, I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. 
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I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. How about 5 more directly comparable works? and these results all include the buyer's premium. You used a 2.44m x 1m canvas as a comparable to support the valuation of a 55 x 45cm work on paper and smaller work on metal, we obviously went to different valuation schools. picture sharing |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by .dappy on Sept 22, 2024 1:58:14 GMT 1, Two original Richard Hambleton Shadowheads for sale, both with excellent provenance, one 1997 Shadowhead in aluminium paint on slate and one 1982 Shadowhead, acrylic on paper.   Richard Hambleton, Original Shadow Head, 1997 Medium: Original, Aluminium Paint on Slate Year: 1997 Size: H 50.8 cm X W 30.5 cm Signed: Yes £39k  Richard Hambleton, Shadow Head, 1982 Medium: Original, Acrylic On Paper Year: 1982 Size: H 55.5 cm X W 45.7 cm Signed: Yes £45k
Two original Richard Hambleton Shadowheads for sale, both with excellent provenance, one 1997 Shadowhead in aluminium paint on slate and one 1982 Shadowhead, acrylic on paper. Richard Hambleton, Original Shadow Head, 1997 Medium: Original, Aluminium Paint on Slate Year: 1997 Size: H 50.8 cm X W 30.5 cm Signed: Yes £39k Richard Hambleton, Shadow Head, 1982 Medium: Original, Acrylic On Paper Year: 1982 Size: H 55.5 cm X W 45.7 cm Signed: Yes £45k |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by compound on Sept 22, 2024 9:31:11 GMT 1, So many members have been round these parts for a long time. 100’s of Jonny big bollocks curators, gallerists, and bedroom art aficionados have popped up over the years, over valuing their art that they can’t shift in their galleries’ hoping some rich fools will bite. Luckily there’s astute members to call out sales threads like this.
So many members have been round these parts for a long time. 100’s of Jonny big bollocks curators, gallerists, and bedroom art aficionados have popped up over the years, over valuing their art that they can’t shift in their galleries’ hoping some rich fools will bite. Luckily there’s astute members to call out sales threads like this.
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Deleted on Sept 22, 2024 9:56:21 GMT 1, What is a ‘qualified Curator’? What qualifications have you in Curating? You may well have ‘experience’ but it may be misleading to newer forum members who may read that.
What is a ‘qualified Curator’? What qualifications have you in Curating? You may well have ‘experience’ but it may be misleading to newer forum members who may read that. I have a masters degree in curation and experience in curating in both the public and private sector for 10+ years. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Deleted on Sept 22, 2024 9:58:16 GMT 1, I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. How about 5 more directly comparable works? and these results all include the buyer's premium. You used a 2.44m x 1m canvas as a comparable to support the valuation of a 55 x 45cm work on paper and smaller work on metal, we obviously went to different valuation schools. picture sharing
I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. How about 5 more directly comparable works? and these results all include the buyer's premium. You used a 2.44m x 1m canvas as a comparable to support the valuation of a 55 x 45cm work on paper and smaller work on metal, we obviously went to different valuation schools. picture sharingI didn’t compare the price of a smaller work to a large work on canvas….. that would clearly be ridiculous. I was responding to you saying that people could get a larger piece on canvas for a fraction of the price. I felt that was quite clear in my comment. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Deleted on Sept 22, 2024 10:15:03 GMT 1, I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. How about 5 more directly comparable works? and these results all include the buyer's premium. You used a 2.44m x 1m canvas as a comparable to support the valuation of a 55 x 45cm work on paper and smaller work on metal, we obviously went to different valuation schools. picture sharing
I think it’s worth noting that auction prices also have fees upon sale. And the last auction on an artists work doesn’t create the value of every work by that artist. As a qualified curator I can tell you that we do not value work in that way, there is rather more to it. I think valuing an entire artists catalog based on one auction result is dumb. How about 5 more directly comparable works? and these results all include the buyer's premium. You used a 2.44m x 1m canvas as a comparable to support the valuation of a 55 x 45cm work on paper and smaller work on metal, we obviously went to different valuation schools. picture sharingAnd also these are hammer prices. They are not including buyers premium, you can easily check that out with Sothebys. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Deleted on Sept 22, 2024 10:30:07 GMT 1, So many members have been round these parts for a long time. 100’s of Jonny big bollocks curators, gallerists, and bedroom art aficionados have popped up over the years, over valuing their art that they can’t shift in their galleries’ hoping some rich fools will bite. Luckily there’s astute members to call out sales threads like this.
I listed my work, and I have said I'm happy yo provide provenance and have discussions on price, by which i mean a reasonable negotiation. As a new member to this forum I can only describe the atmosphere as hostile and fairly unpleasent. I am not in the market to desperately sell my work for bottom dollar, nor will I be bullied into it. If people want to buy at auction then that is available as a means of acquiring work so go and do that. On the other hand if people like the work I have listed then they can have a discussion with me.... its about as simple as that.
So many members have been round these parts for a long time. 100’s of Jonny big bollocks curators, gallerists, and bedroom art aficionados have popped up over the years, over valuing their art that they can’t shift in their galleries’ hoping some rich fools will bite. Luckily there’s astute members to call out sales threads like this. I'm not claiming to be a Johnny big bollocks, however work is valued on quality, age desirability, condition etc etc...... the prices the astute member quoted are hammer prices, you're welcome to check that with Sotheby's. So you're looking at roughly 20% additionally. He also claimed I was comparing a large work on canvas to these two pieces.... I wasn't I was replying to his comment that one could acquire a large work on canvas for a fraction of the price. I listed my work, and I have said I'm happy yo provide provenance and have discussions on price, by which i mean a reasonable negotiation. As a new member to this forum I can only describe the atmosphere as hostile and fairly unpleasent. I am not in the market to desperately sell my work for bottom dollar, nor will I be bullied into it. If people want to buy at auction then that is available as a means of acquiring work so go and do that. On the other hand if people like the work I have listed then they can have a discussion with me.... its about as simple as that. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Acme Thunderer on Sept 22, 2024 10:39:49 GMT 1, Are these yours, or are you selling on behalf of/for someone else?
If someone else owns these, then it might explain the prices (for these and the Invaders).
I’m just a friendly person asking so don’t be defensive. 😀
Are these yours, or are you selling on behalf of/for someone else?
If someone else owns these, then it might explain the prices (for these and the Invaders).
I’m just a friendly person asking so don’t be defensive. 😀
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Art Attackkk on Sept 22, 2024 10:53:50 GMT 1, Mutual art realised prices include fees. They aren’t hammer prices. You can easily see that as the prices are odd numbers. For example one sale shows a price of $20,320. Clearly that’s not a hammer price, as Sothebys bidding wouldn’t increase by small increments such as $320 and are usually 500 or 1000. Hope that helps 😄
Mutual art realised prices include fees. They aren’t hammer prices. You can easily see that as the prices are odd numbers. For example one sale shows a price of $20,320. Clearly that’s not a hammer price, as Sothebys bidding wouldn’t increase by small increments such as $320 and are usually 500 or 1000. Hope that helps 😄
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Reader on Sept 22, 2024 11:04:19 GMT 1, I'll just leave this here.
www.quinnsfineart.com/original-art-for-sale
"Successful fine art sales and acquisitions are driven by a blend of experience, industry relationships, and profound insights into the art market. At Quinn's Fine Art Advisory, our private sales service is expertly managed by a trusted and seasoned team with privileged access to rare and unique works available on both the primary and secondary art markets."
Mr Brainwash, Mr Sly, Adam King, Danny Byrne, Johnny Depp, Yuvi, Paul Normansell etc . All extremely derivitive. Looks like one of hundreds of a by the book art advisory services designed to extract the capital from the wealthy and ignorant. Nothing to see here.
I'll just leave this here. www.quinnsfineart.com/original-art-for-sale"Successful fine art sales and acquisitions are driven by a blend of experience, industry relationships, and profound insights into the art market. At Quinn's Fine Art Advisory, our private sales service is expertly managed by a trusted and seasoned team with privileged access to rare and unique works available on both the primary and secondary art markets." Mr Brainwash, Mr Sly, Adam King, Danny Byrne, Johnny Depp, Yuvi, Paul Normansell etc . All extremely derivitive. Looks like one of hundreds of a by the book art advisory services designed to extract the capital from the wealthy and ignorant. Nothing to see here. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by LJCal on Sept 22, 2024 11:07:35 GMT 1, And also these are hammer prices. They are not including buyers premium, you can easily check that out with Sothebys.
And also these are hammer prices. They are not including buyers premium, you can easily check that out with Sothebys. Haha really? Show me one auction that has a bid increment of $11,475, $20,320 or $15,240. These are clearly inclusive of BP, all these auction houses publish their results with the premium included. Nothwithstaning, even if you added 25-27% to these prices they would still be around 1/4 to 1/2 of what you're asking. You're making yourself look silly now. If you have these on consignment my advice is to accept these works are not saleable at the price you’re asking and focus on works that are more sensibly priced. If you own these works and want them sold then you need to look at the results I have given you and adjust the prices accordingly, if you are not able to take a haircut, stick them in a cupboard and hope the market recovers over next few years. |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by Acme Thunderer on Sept 22, 2024 11:31:47 GMT 1, Dani Quinn has now left the building…
Dani Quinn has now left the building… |
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Richard Hambleton 🇨🇦 Artist Discussion , by cemltz on Sept 22, 2024 13:38:52 GMT 1, For sale. $2M. Solid provenance. Only taken out of box for photos. Never hung. From the “Shadowman” release. Signed twice. Twice!!
For sale. $2M. Solid provenance. Only taken out of box for photos. Never hung. From the “Shadowman” release. Signed twice. Twice!! |
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