Jimini Cricket
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on Jun 2, 2021 15:47:50 GMT 1, Too bad the market disagrees. Everything thatโs gone wrong with this place over the years. Itโs art, itโs subjective. The market doesnโt decide who is an outstanding artist.
Too bad. Art Market > You
Too bad the market disagrees. Everything thatโs gone wrong with this place over the years. Itโs art, itโs subjective. The market doesnโt decide who is an outstanding artist. Too bad. Art Market > You
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Ravnur 2020
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Ravnur 2020 on Jun 2, 2021 16:48:56 GMT 1, Too bad the market disagrees. Everything thatโs gone wrong with this place over the years. Itโs art, itโs subjective. The market doesnโt decide who is an outstanding artist. Fully agree! Art > Market
Too bad the market disagrees. Everything thatโs gone wrong with this place over the years. Itโs art, itโs subjective. The market doesnโt decide who is an outstanding artist. Fully agree! Art > Market
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by kathart on Jun 2, 2021 16:51:26 GMT 1, Can't see this go for more than cost later on - with that pricetag.
Can't see this go for more than cost later on - with that pricetag.
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jimmyjam
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by jimmyjam on Jun 2, 2021 17:33:04 GMT 1, They are more like coloring book pages done by anyone who happened to be in his studio that day.
They should mention his wife did some and whoever else- since they did film her doing them and posted it.
They are more like coloring book pages done by anyone who happened to be in his studio that day.
They should mention his wife did some and whoever else- since they did film her doing them and posted it.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Happy Shopper on Jun 2, 2021 17:42:04 GMT 1, They are more like coloring book pages done by anyone who happened to be in his studio that day. They should mention his wife did some and whoever else- since they did filmed her doing them and posted it. Agreed. "Hand finished" should mean the artist hand finished them, not someone else, even his wife.
They are more like coloring book pages done by anyone who happened to be in his studio that day. They should mention his wife did some and whoever else- since they did filmed her doing them and posted it. Agreed. "Hand finished" should mean the artist hand finished them, not someone else, even his wife.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by urbanny on Jun 2, 2021 19:42:03 GMT 1, Micallef is an outstanding artist Too bad the market disagrees.
No, as that means you can buy his works for cheaper. Not the brightest...
Micallef is an outstanding artist Too bad the market disagrees. No, as that means you can buy his works for cheaper. Not the brightest...
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by puritog on Jun 2, 2021 20:22:56 GMT 1, In the context of artists getting help from relatives to hand finish their releases... Some months ago when Futura released the hand painted books with Rizzoli, he made an interesting comment (13witness is the son)
In the context of artists getting help from relatives to hand finish their releases... Some months ago when Futura released the hand painted books with Rizzoli, he made an interesting comment (13witness is the son)
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Jimini Cricket
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on Jun 2, 2021 20:28:02 GMT 1, Too bad the market disagrees. No, as that means you can buy his works for cheaper. Not the brightest...
Bought anything original he's made in the last few years direct from Pearl Lam? What's that? You don't want to spend ยฃ55,000?
Too bad the market disagrees. No, as that means you can buy his works for cheaper. Not the brightest... Bought anything original he's made in the last few years direct from Pearl Lam? What's that? You don't want to spend ยฃ55,000?
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jimmyjam
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by jimmyjam on Jun 2, 2021 21:15:18 GMT 1, I didnโt know they made a movie about Javier and his wife already?
:-) jk
Who did it better?
I didnโt know they made a movie about Javier and his wife already? :-) jk Who did it better?
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by jimmyjam on Jun 2, 2021 23:32:55 GMT 1, Same but not the same.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Ildefonso77 on Jun 3, 2021 3:05:39 GMT 1, the nara vs javier debate will continue for as long as both have fans and haters. Both have merits and have successful careers. It would be interesting to see the longevity of Javier down the road. its too early to tell but i see good things happening to him.
My only criticism are the prints being minted en masse at astronomical prices. Also hand finishing imho is ok as it makes it more special but only to be executed by the artist. The artists wife, assistant, marketing manager etc dont count. your milage may vary but for me its a no no.
In javier's office you can clearly see numerous drafting tables which means theres more than one doing the finishing touches. food for thought
the nara vs javier debate will continue for as long as both have fans and haters. Both have merits and have successful careers. It would be interesting to see the longevity of Javier down the road. its too early to tell but i see good things happening to him.
My only criticism are the prints being minted en masse at astronomical prices. Also hand finishing imho is ok as it makes it more special but only to be executed by the artist. The artists wife, assistant, marketing manager etc dont count. your milage may vary but for me its a no no.
In javier's office you can clearly see numerous drafting tables which means theres more than one doing the finishing touches. food for thought
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by jimmyjam on Jun 3, 2021 3:23:09 GMT 1, Iโm with Jack - another big Nara fan.
Iโm with Jack - another big Nara fan.
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Gentle Mental
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Gentle Mental on Jun 3, 2021 3:28:13 GMT 1, Letโs talk about Nara vs Javier a bit. There isnโt any competition. It isnโt like how banksy took Blekโs rats and life sized stencils and made leaps with them. Rather itโs like how brainwash took Warholโs silkscreens and er.. made it same same slightly worse?
And dropping the big eyes would kill the golden goose.
Heโs kinda stuck.
Hence the charcoals and variations. He is finding a way out. His own thing.
I wish him success. Itโs between rock and a hard cash place.
Beating Nara shouldnโt be the game plan.
Nara has huge huge shoes for Javier to fill.
Letโs talk about Nara vs Javier a bit. There isnโt any competition. It isnโt like how banksy took Blekโs rats and life sized stencils and made leaps with them. Rather itโs like how brainwash took Warholโs silkscreens and er.. made it same same slightly worse?
And dropping the big eyes would kill the golden goose.
Heโs kinda stuck.
Hence the charcoals and variations. He is finding a way out. His own thing.
I wish him success. Itโs between rock and a hard cash place.
Beating Nara shouldnโt be the game plan.
Nara has huge huge shoes for Javier to fill.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by jimmyjam on Jun 3, 2021 3:44:32 GMT 1, Nara is also just a really fun and interesting guy. Heโs also very down to earth - if you donโt ask him for a autograph/sketch - everyone tries to asks him for one haha. Get him a beer instead.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.artnews.com/art-in-america/features/nara-arrested-for-graffiti-before-boesky-opening-57644/amp/
โIt is an approach that has been warmly received by the art world; Roberta Smith, the respected American art critic, has described Nara as โone of the most egalitarian visual artists since Keith Haringโ.โ
I think her description on Nara you can never say about Javier. Again many very wealthy and huge female collectors all have Nara pieces.
Roberta Smith is co-chief art critic of The New York Times and wife to Jerry Saltz
Even the mom/manager of the Kardashians has a painting of Naras she shows off anytime she can.
Courteney Cox was at the [Nara] opening with musician boyfriend Johnny McDaid. โI love his work,โ said Cox who added that she was possibly interested in buying. โIf there are any works still available.โ The Cougar Town star was asked if she was getting into collecting art. She said, โI am just starting to get into it. Iโm learning.โ
I hear she has a really nice one now as well. - anyways you get it. Nara is collected by celebs and art collectors and I know that a few really really big tech guys up also have big Nara paintings in their homes.
Nara is also just a really fun and interesting guy. Heโs also very down to earth - if you donโt ask him for a autograph/sketch - everyone tries to asks him for one haha. Get him a beer instead. www.google.com/amp/s/www.artnews.com/art-in-america/features/nara-arrested-for-graffiti-before-boesky-opening-57644/amp/โIt is an approach that has been warmly received by the art world; Roberta Smith, the respected American art critic, has described Nara as โone of the most egalitarian visual artists since Keith Haringโ.โ I think her description on Nara you can never say about Javier. Again many very wealthy and huge female collectors all have Nara pieces. Roberta Smith is co-chief art critic of The New York Times and wife to Jerry Saltz Even the mom/manager of the Kardashians has a painting of Naras she shows off anytime she can. Courteney Cox was at the [Nara] opening with musician boyfriend Johnny McDaid. โI love his work,โ said Cox who added that she was possibly interested in buying. โIf there are any works still available.โ The Cougar Town star was asked if she was getting into collecting art. She said, โI am just starting to get into it. Iโm learning.โ I hear she has a really nice one now as well. - anyways you get it. Nara is collected by celebs and art collectors and I know that a few really really big tech guys up also have big Nara paintings in their homes.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Art Collector on Jun 3, 2021 10:09:37 GMT 1, Avant Arte on instagram still pretending to their followers that they have a chance of buying these prints when they have already been allocated. Scum.
Avant Arte on instagram still pretending to their followers that they have a chance of buying these prints when they have already been allocated. Scum.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Tommy Tucker on Jun 3, 2021 18:40:36 GMT 1, Nara is also just a really fun and interesting guy. Heโs also very down to earth - if you donโt ask him for a autograph/sketch - everyone tries to asks him for one haha. Get him a beer instead. www.google.com/amp/s/www.artnews.com/art-in-america/features/nara-arrested-for-graffiti-before-boesky-opening-57644/amp/โIt is an approach that has been warmly received by the art world; Roberta Smith, the respected American art critic, has described Nara as โone of the most egalitarian visual artists since Keith Haringโ.โ I think her description on Nara you can never say about Javier. Again many very wealthy and huge female collectors all have Nara pieces. Roberta Smith is co-chief art critic of The New York Times and wife to Jerry Saltz Even the mom/manager of the Kardashians has a painting of Naras she shows off anytime she can. Courteney Cox was at the [Nara] opening with musician boyfriend Johnny McDaid. โI love his work,โ said Cox who added that she was possibly interested in buying. โIf there are any works still available.โ The Cougar Town star was asked if she was getting into collecting art. She said, โI am just starting to get into it. Iโm learning.โ I hear she has a really nice one now as well. - anyways you get it. Nara is collected by celebs and art collectors and I know that a few really really big tech guys up also have big Nara paintings in their homes. Kris Jenner no longer owns this original.
My client does.
Nara is also just a really fun and interesting guy. Heโs also very down to earth - if you donโt ask him for a autograph/sketch - everyone tries to asks him for one haha. Get him a beer instead. www.google.com/amp/s/www.artnews.com/art-in-america/features/nara-arrested-for-graffiti-before-boesky-opening-57644/amp/โIt is an approach that has been warmly received by the art world; Roberta Smith, the respected American art critic, has described Nara as โone of the most egalitarian visual artists since Keith Haringโ.โ I think her description on Nara you can never say about Javier. Again many very wealthy and huge female collectors all have Nara pieces. Roberta Smith is co-chief art critic of The New York Times and wife to Jerry Saltz Even the mom/manager of the Kardashians has a painting of Naras she shows off anytime she can. Courteney Cox was at the [Nara] opening with musician boyfriend Johnny McDaid. โI love his work,โ said Cox who added that she was possibly interested in buying. โIf there are any works still available.โ The Cougar Town star was asked if she was getting into collecting art. She said, โI am just starting to get into it. Iโm learning.โ I hear she has a really nice one now as well. - anyways you get it. Nara is collected by celebs and art collectors and I know that a few really really big tech guys up also have big Nara paintings in their homes. Kris Jenner no longer owns this original. My client does.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by sean1397 on Jun 4, 2021 21:15:24 GMT 1, What do people think these three works will go for? I for one kind of think $10500 for 3 prints in editions of 70 is high. Can he support $2-3M in sales? I have no idea but am wondering will these resell at $10k or 15 or 20? Prints ar getting crazy
And I laugh when people say don't b**ch- of course if you get offered a presale and break a resale agreement people in an art forum will bitch. You will be lucky if the buyer or others who pretend to buy don't out you and wreck your Avante situation
What do people think these three works will go for? I for one kind of think $10500 for 3 prints in editions of 70 is high. Can he support $2-3M in sales? I have no idea but am wondering will these resell at $10k or 15 or 20? Prints ar getting crazy
And I laugh when people say don't b**ch- of course if you get offered a presale and break a resale agreement people in an art forum will bitch. You will be lucky if the buyer or others who pretend to buy don't out you and wreck your Avante situation
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Gentle Mental on Jun 5, 2021 5:30:29 GMT 1, Anyone passed the interview to qualify to lose 9k for a print of a doodle by someone mildly famous in Asia?
Anyone passed the interview to qualify to lose 9k for a print of a doodle by someone mildly famous in Asia?
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Tommy Tucker on Jun 10, 2021 10:57:58 GMT 1, Been reading this thread from the start and been very interesting.
I scored Third Time Lucky and I couldnโt be happier.
Been reading this thread from the start and been very interesting.
I scored Third Time Lucky and I couldnโt be happier.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Feels Good Man 84 on Jun 10, 2021 11:08:19 GMT 1, Congrats Tommy makes two of us
Congrats Tommy makes two of us
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Terry Fuckwitt on Jun 10, 2021 11:50:38 GMT 1, Been reading this thread from the start and been very interesting. I scored Third Time Lucky and I couldnโt be happier.
Congratulations. No animosity at all towards you, but this just goes to show that the drawn out vetting process by Avant Arte means diddly squat. You have openly flipped high price art here and work/own a gallery. So how Avant Arte claim to get these prints into the hands of 'collectors' is beyond me.
Been reading this thread from the start and been very interesting. I scored Third Time Lucky and I couldnโt be happier. Congratulations. No animosity at all towards you, but this just goes to show that the drawn out vetting process by Avant Arte means diddly squat. You have openly flipped high price art here and work/own a gallery. So how Avant Arte claim to get these prints into the hands of 'collectors' is beyond me.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Tommy Tucker on Jun 10, 2021 12:04:08 GMT 1, Congrats Tommy makes two of us Thanks very much, congrats to you too
Congrats Tommy makes two of us Thanks very much, congrats to you too
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by irl1 on Jun 10, 2021 12:32:28 GMT 1, Been reading this thread from the start and been very interesting. I scored Third Time Lucky and I couldnโt be happier. Congratulations. No animosity at all towards you, but this just goes to show that the drawn out vetting process by Avant Arte means diddly squat. You have openly flipped high price art here and work/own a gallery. So how Avant Arte claim to get these prints into the hands of 'collectors' is beyond me. I scored Third Time Lucky and my clients couldnโt be happier.
Been reading this thread from the start and been very interesting. I scored Third Time Lucky and I couldnโt be happier. Congratulations. No animosity at all towards you, but this just goes to show that the drawn out vetting process by Avant Arte means diddly squat. You have openly flipped high price art here and work/own a gallery. So how Avant Arte claim to get these prints into the hands of 'collectors' is beyond me. I scored Third Time Lucky and my clients couldnโt be happier.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by jimmyjam on Jun 10, 2021 13:56:31 GMT 1, Everything about how Avant does business is unprofessional period. I get 90 percent of the people here love to kiss their ass but simply itโs bs.
You donโt have months of a secret presale before and actual release. If so then itโs not really โreleasedโ that day. It was released when the first print was sold.
You donโt make people read contracts in second before they buy something due to demand. People had to agree to things without reading due to the quickness of the purchase. They know this.
They sell mostly to galleries and people who flip. We all know this.
These guys are young and are placing most items with the wrong people. They donโt care - itโs money. The way Avant and these younger galleries workโฆ no major collector or buyer wants anything to do with this. This is why big collectors tend to stay away from new artists and galleries. Too much bs going on to tell if any of their artists have longevity.
Any of their main artists you can get items from their official galleries. I suggest everyone do that from now on.
Only having 10 percent available for a private release is not a release. Itโs not how you sell things.
Nothing will change with Avant as long as they have newbies kissing their asses all the time. They are middle men who took advantage of a booming print market - good for them - but itโs getting beyond ridiculous at this point. They got lucky doing a deal with Nanzuka but Iโm not sure why Nanzuka even used them. Honestly Iโm not sure if you can really sell things like this legally in the US. Seems like a lot of false advertising happening and very odd sales practices.
Everything about how Avant does business is unprofessional period. I get 90 percent of the people here love to kiss their ass but simply itโs bs.
You donโt have months of a secret presale before and actual release. If so then itโs not really โreleasedโ that day. It was released when the first print was sold.
You donโt make people read contracts in second before they buy something due to demand. People had to agree to things without reading due to the quickness of the purchase. They know this.
They sell mostly to galleries and people who flip. We all know this.
These guys are young and are placing most items with the wrong people. They donโt care - itโs money. The way Avant and these younger galleries workโฆ no major collector or buyer wants anything to do with this. This is why big collectors tend to stay away from new artists and galleries. Too much bs going on to tell if any of their artists have longevity.
Any of their main artists you can get items from their official galleries. I suggest everyone do that from now on.
Only having 10 percent available for a private release is not a release. Itโs not how you sell things.
Nothing will change with Avant as long as they have newbies kissing their asses all the time. They are middle men who took advantage of a booming print market - good for them - but itโs getting beyond ridiculous at this point. They got lucky doing a deal with Nanzuka but Iโm not sure why Nanzuka even used them. Honestly Iโm not sure if you can really sell things like this legally in the US. Seems like a lot of false advertising happening and very odd sales practices.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on Jun 10, 2021 14:20:44 GMT 1, Like I said before, print the buyer's photo Id and contact details on the coa.
No invasion of privacy because transaction is between Avant Arte and primary buyer. If the buyer sells it, which they shouldn't, the next buyer will obvs request the coa. For the coa to be updated with the new buyer's details, whoever's details are on the coa is the only person allowed to make amendments. Imagine having to go to Avant Arte requesting the change. Oh the shame!
Like I said before, print the buyer's photo Id and contact details on the coa.
No invasion of privacy because transaction is between Avant Arte and primary buyer. If the buyer sells it, which they shouldn't, the next buyer will obvs request the coa. For the coa to be updated with the new buyer's details, whoever's details are on the coa is the only person allowed to make amendments. Imagine having to go to Avant Arte requesting the change. Oh the shame!
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Riotcops on Jun 10, 2021 15:20:17 GMT 1, This release was the motivation I needed to focus solely on originals.
This release was the motivation I needed to focus solely on originals.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jonas B on Jun 10, 2021 15:30:54 GMT 1, This release was the motivation I needed to focus solely on originals. I was just about to write something along those lines. For this kind of money there is great original art out there at similar prices. The editions market is getting more silly by the day. The fact that Counter Editions sell Shrigley prints for more than originals highlights this prolem.
This release was the motivation I needed to focus solely on originals. I was just about to write something along those lines. For this kind of money there is great original art out there at similar prices. The editions market is getting more silly by the day. The fact that Counter Editions sell Shrigley prints for more than originals highlights this prolem.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by nobokov on Jun 10, 2021 16:33:34 GMT 1, What's with all the tears about buying luxury goods? They should be able to sell however and to whomever they want to maximize profit while keeping regular customers motivated to purchase in the future. Setting the price high deters hamburger flipping but there's only so much an art dealer can do as far as vetting is concerned. They keep going higher and higher, but there seems to be no limit to what rich idiots and flippers will spend on prints. I'm glad there's a segment of people who concentrate on buying high priced prints as it keeps them out of the market for unique artworks.
What's with all the tears about buying luxury goods? They should be able to sell however and to whomever they want to maximize profit while keeping regular customers motivated to purchase in the future. Setting the price high deters hamburger flipping but there's only so much an art dealer can do as far as vetting is concerned. They keep going higher and higher, but there seems to be no limit to what rich idiots and flippers will spend on prints. I'm glad there's a segment of people who concentrate on buying high priced prints as it keeps them out of the market for unique artworks.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by nobokov on Jun 10, 2021 16:41:39 GMT 1, This release was the motivation I needed to focus solely on originals. Originals are overrated. Prints are the best medium for artistic expression.
This release was the motivation I needed to focus solely on originals. Originals are overrated. Prints are the best medium for artistic expression.
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Riotcops on Jun 10, 2021 16:55:53 GMT 1, This release was the motivation I needed to focus solely on originals. Originals are overrated. Prints are the best medium for artistic expression. I actually prefer to frame photocopies of photographs of prints of sketches of originals but to each their own.
This release was the motivation I needed to focus solely on originals. Originals are overrated. Prints are the best medium for artistic expression. I actually prefer to frame photocopies of photographs of prints of sketches of originals but to each their own.
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