Fairxat
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by dappy on Oct 9, 2021 21:51:32 GMT 1, Excellent stuff - continue to 'do your own research'. I should let this go as there's very little point, but I find myself unable to. So just to clarify, you're suggesting that Imperial, including the clinical and data scientists working on this study, have been bribed to lie by the government, and are now suggesting that this isn't merely your opinion but is an 'actual fact'? If you're unable to supply any verifiable proof for your rather unlikely claim, perhaps it's best to downgrade this back to simply being your opinion - which of course you're entitled to. It won't be the first time and it wont be the last but I was referring to my point about it reducing symptoms, no more, no less.
... so you are going to retract your statement: ...
'Someone who has had the vaccine is just as likely to get covid as someone who hasn't and thats the danger.'
Excellent stuff - continue to 'do your own research'. I should let this go as there's very little point, but I find myself unable to. So just to clarify, you're suggesting that Imperial, including the clinical and data scientists working on this study, have been bribed to lie by the government, and are now suggesting that this isn't merely your opinion but is an 'actual fact'? If you're unable to supply any verifiable proof for your rather unlikely claim, perhaps it's best to downgrade this back to simply being your opinion - which of course you're entitled to. It won't be the first time and it wont be the last but I was referring to my point about it reducing symptoms, no more, no less. ... so you are going to retract your statement: ... 'Someone who has had the vaccine is just as likely to get covid as someone who hasn't and thats the danger.'
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by thatprintguy on Oct 9, 2021 21:53:35 GMT 1, It won't be the first time and it wont be the last but I was referring to my point about it reducing symptoms, no more, no less. ... so you are going to retract your statement: ... 'Someone who has had the vaccine is just as likely to get covid as someone who hasn't and thats the danger.'
these people aren't contracting anything... Except COVID in record numbers.
It won't be the first time and it wont be the last but I was referring to my point about it reducing symptoms, no more, no less. ... so you are going to retract your statement: ... 'Someone who has had the vaccine is just as likely to get covid as someone who hasn't and thats the danger.' these people aren't contracting anything... Except COVID in record numbers. |
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by B- on Oct 9, 2021 22:20:52 GMT 1, No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People: This has become a common refrain among the cautious—and it’s wrong.
For many fully vaccinated Americans, the Delta surge spoiled what should’ve been a glorious summer. Those who had cast their masks aside months ago were asked to dust them off. Many are still taking no chances. Some have even returned to all the same precautions they took before getting their shots, including avoiding the company of other fully vaccinated people.
Among this last group, a common refrain I’ve heard to justify their renewed vigilance is that “vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the coronavirus.”
This misunderstanding, born out of confusing statements from public-health authorities and misleading media headlines, is a shame. It is resulting in unnecessary fear among vaccinated people, all the while undermining the public’s understanding of the importance—and effectiveness—of getting vaccinated.
So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission.
I understand why people are confused. In April, after months of public-health experts cautiously promoting the merits of vaccination, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky cited new real-world data of the shots’ effectiveness to jubilantly proclaim that “vaccinated people do not carry the virus.” The CDC later walked back her comment, but headlines such as “It’s Official: Vaccinated People Don’t Transmit COVID-19” had already given many the impression that in addition to their remarkable protection against infection with the coronavirus, the shots also prevented them from passing the illness on to others.
Scientists and researchers objected, warning that there weren’t enough data to support such a proclamation. Their concerns were prescient. As Delta first took hold early this summer and then quickly spread, our collective relief turned into dejection.
An outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts—in which 74 percent of the 469 cases were in the fully vaccinated—forced the CDC to update its mask guidance and issue a sad and sobering warning: Vaccinated people infected with the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant can be just as contagious as unvaccinated people.
In the aftermath of the Provincetown announcement, many who had gotten their shots were confused about what the news meant for them, especially when headlines seemed to imply that vaccinated individuals are as likely to contract and transmit COVID-19 as the unvaccinated. But this framing missed the single most important factor in spreading the coronavirus: To spread the coronavirus, you have to have the coronavirus. And vaccinated people are far less likely to have the coronavirus—period. If this was mentioned at all, it was treated as an afterthought.
Despite concern about waning immunity, vaccines provide the best protection against infection. And if someone isn’t infected, they can’t spread the coronavirus. It’s truly that simple. Additionally, for those instances of a vaccinated person getting a breakthrough case, yes, they can be as infectious as an unvaccinated person. But they are likely contagious for a shorter period of time when compared with the unvaccinated, and they may harbor less infectious virus overall.
That’s why getting more people their shots is crucial for controlling the spread of the coronavirus: Every vaccinated person helps limit the virus’s ability to hide, replicate, and propagate.
Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further.
This is borne out by recent data from New York City that show that more than 96 percent of cases are among the unvaccinated. Only 0.33 percent of fully vaccinated New Yorkers have been diagnosed with COVID-19.
To highlight what this means in the real world, imagine two weddings with 100 guests, one where everyone is unvaccinated and another where all the guests are vaccinated.
In the unvaccinated wedding group, the likelihood that at least one of the guests has COVID-19 is high. Similarly, everyone present is more susceptible, and the virus will likely infect many others, given the increased transmissibility of the Delta variant.
At the wedding with exclusively vaccinated attendees, however, the likelihood that anyone present has COVID-19 is minuscule. Even if someone present is infected, the likelihood that the other guests will contract the virus is similarly low, given the protection afforded by their shots.
This is exactly why vaccine mandates are so important—and why going to events that exclude unvaccinated people is much, much safer than those that are open to all. Everyone knows that the vaccines help protect each individual who gets their shots. But when more people get vaccinated, this helps keep everyone else (including children and others ineligible for vaccination) safe as well.
It’s worth acknowledging that even though the vaccines are our best protection—and still do what we need them to do very well—they’re not perfect. Vaccinated individuals can experience breakthrough infections, and when they do, they can potentially infect others. Some may also develop long COVID, although thankfully the shots dramatically lower this risk too. These reasons are exactly why, in many circumstances, mitigation measures such as masking and mandates still make sense to help limit the spread, even for the vaccinated.
As an emergency-medicine physician, I’ve seen firsthand the vaccines’ dramatic role in reducing severe outcomes from a virus that flooded my emergency room early in the pandemic. And as a member of one of the first groups vaccinated in the rollout, I was kept safe by the shots while I cared for patients, and they prevented me from bringing the virus home to my family.
But ultimately, a COVID-19 diagnosis in someone close to me is what highlighted why the assertion that the vaccinated are as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated is so wrong.
Recently my cousin contacted me when her daughter tested positive for COVID-19. Her daughter fell ill just weeks before her 12th birthday, when she would’ve been eligible for a vaccine. My fully vaccinated cousin spent nearly every moment at her side—always indoors and usually unmasked—yet never fell ill herself.
“The vaccine seems to be working. It’s magic!” she texted me. Before getting her shots, she would have almost certainly been infected, and likely passed it on to others. But the vaccine broke the chain of transmission. My cousin never spread her daughter’s COVID-19 to anyone because she never caught it.
By Craig Spencer, September 23, 2021
About the author: Craig Spencer is an emergency-medicine physician and director of global health in emergency medicine at New York Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center.
No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People: This has become a common refrain among the cautious—and it’s wrong. For many fully vaccinated Americans, the Delta surge spoiled what should’ve been a glorious summer. Those who had cast their masks aside months ago were asked to dust them off. Many are still taking no chances. Some have even returned to all the same precautions they took before getting their shots, including avoiding the company of other fully vaccinated people. Among this last group, a common refrain I’ve heard to justify their renewed vigilance is that “vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the coronavirus.” This misunderstanding, born out of confusing statements from public-health authorities and misleading media headlines, is a shame. It is resulting in unnecessary fear among vaccinated people, all the while undermining the public’s understanding of the importance—and effectiveness—of getting vaccinated. So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission. I understand why people are confused. In April, after months of public-health experts cautiously promoting the merits of vaccination, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky cited new real-world data of the shots’ effectiveness to jubilantly proclaim that “vaccinated people do not carry the virus.” The CDC later walked back her comment, but headlines such as “It’s Official: Vaccinated People Don’t Transmit COVID-19” had already given many the impression that in addition to their remarkable protection against infection with the coronavirus, the shots also prevented them from passing the illness on to others. Scientists and researchers objected, warning that there weren’t enough data to support such a proclamation. Their concerns were prescient. As Delta first took hold early this summer and then quickly spread, our collective relief turned into dejection. An outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts—in which 74 percent of the 469 cases were in the fully vaccinated—forced the CDC to update its mask guidance and issue a sad and sobering warning: Vaccinated people infected with the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant can be just as contagious as unvaccinated people. In the aftermath of the Provincetown announcement, many who had gotten their shots were confused about what the news meant for them, especially when headlines seemed to imply that vaccinated individuals are as likely to contract and transmit COVID-19 as the unvaccinated. But this framing missed the single most important factor in spreading the coronavirus: To spread the coronavirus, you have to have the coronavirus. And vaccinated people are far less likely to have the coronavirus—period. If this was mentioned at all, it was treated as an afterthought. Despite concern about waning immunity, vaccines provide the best protection against infection. And if someone isn’t infected, they can’t spread the coronavirus. It’s truly that simple. Additionally, for those instances of a vaccinated person getting a breakthrough case, yes, they can be as infectious as an unvaccinated person. But they are likely contagious for a shorter period of time when compared with the unvaccinated, and they may harbor less infectious virus overall. That’s why getting more people their shots is crucial for controlling the spread of the coronavirus: Every vaccinated person helps limit the virus’s ability to hide, replicate, and propagate. Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further. This is borne out by recent data from New York City that show that more than 96 percent of cases are among the unvaccinated. Only 0.33 percent of fully vaccinated New Yorkers have been diagnosed with COVID-19. To highlight what this means in the real world, imagine two weddings with 100 guests, one where everyone is unvaccinated and another where all the guests are vaccinated. In the unvaccinated wedding group, the likelihood that at least one of the guests has COVID-19 is high. Similarly, everyone present is more susceptible, and the virus will likely infect many others, given the increased transmissibility of the Delta variant. At the wedding with exclusively vaccinated attendees, however, the likelihood that anyone present has COVID-19 is minuscule. Even if someone present is infected, the likelihood that the other guests will contract the virus is similarly low, given the protection afforded by their shots. This is exactly why vaccine mandates are so important—and why going to events that exclude unvaccinated people is much, much safer than those that are open to all. Everyone knows that the vaccines help protect each individual who gets their shots. But when more people get vaccinated, this helps keep everyone else (including children and others ineligible for vaccination) safe as well. It’s worth acknowledging that even though the vaccines are our best protection—and still do what we need them to do very well—they’re not perfect. Vaccinated individuals can experience breakthrough infections, and when they do, they can potentially infect others. Some may also develop long COVID, although thankfully the shots dramatically lower this risk too. These reasons are exactly why, in many circumstances, mitigation measures such as masking and mandates still make sense to help limit the spread, even for the vaccinated. As an emergency-medicine physician, I’ve seen firsthand the vaccines’ dramatic role in reducing severe outcomes from a virus that flooded my emergency room early in the pandemic. And as a member of one of the first groups vaccinated in the rollout, I was kept safe by the shots while I cared for patients, and they prevented me from bringing the virus home to my family. But ultimately, a COVID-19 diagnosis in someone close to me is what highlighted why the assertion that the vaccinated are as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated is so wrong. Recently my cousin contacted me when her daughter tested positive for COVID-19. Her daughter fell ill just weeks before her 12th birthday, when she would’ve been eligible for a vaccine. My fully vaccinated cousin spent nearly every moment at her side—always indoors and usually unmasked—yet never fell ill herself. “The vaccine seems to be working. It’s magic!” she texted me. Before getting her shots, she would have almost certainly been infected, and likely passed it on to others. But the vaccine broke the chain of transmission. My cousin never spread her daughter’s COVID-19 to anyone because she never caught it.
By Craig Spencer, September 23, 2021
About the author: Craig Spencer is an emergency-medicine physician and director of global health in emergency medicine at New York Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center.
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by jiminicricket on Oct 10, 2021 11:04:24 GMT 1, Excellent stuff - continue to 'do your own research'. I should let this go as there's very little point, but I find myself unable to. So just to clarify, you're suggesting that Imperial, including the clinical and data scientists working on this study, have been bribed to lie by the government, and are now suggesting that this isn't merely your opinion but is an 'actual fact'? If you're unable to supply any verifiable proof for your rather unlikely claim, perhaps it's best to downgrade this back to simply being your opinion - which of course you're entitled to. It won't be the first time and it wont be the last but I was referring to my point about it reducing symptoms, no more, no less.
What measures are you taking to fight covid?
Excellent stuff - continue to 'do your own research'. I should let this go as there's very little point, but I find myself unable to. So just to clarify, you're suggesting that Imperial, including the clinical and data scientists working on this study, have been bribed to lie by the government, and are now suggesting that this isn't merely your opinion but is an 'actual fact'? If you're unable to supply any verifiable proof for your rather unlikely claim, perhaps it's best to downgrade this back to simply being your opinion - which of course you're entitled to. It won't be the first time and it wont be the last but I was referring to my point about it reducing symptoms, no more, no less. What measures are you taking to fight covid? |
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toppins
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by toppins on Oct 10, 2021 11:56:04 GMT 1, Not copy and pasting, that's for sure.
Not copy and pasting, that's for sure.
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by jiminicricket on Oct 10, 2021 12:58:47 GMT 1, Not copy and pasting, that's for sure.
What actions though?
Not copy and pasting, that's for sure. What actions though? |
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toppins
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February 2021
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by toppins on Oct 10, 2021 14:01:47 GMT 1, It won't be the first time and it wont be the last but I was referring to my point about it reducing symptoms, no more, no less. ... so you are going to retract your statement: ... 'Someone who has had the vaccine is just as likely to get covid as someone who hasn't and thats the danger.'
It won't be the first time and it wont be the last but I was referring to my point about it reducing symptoms, no more, no less. ... so you are going to retract your statement: ... 'Someone who has had the vaccine is just as likely to get covid as someone who hasn't and thats the danger.'
So, if that was a question dappy, then your answer is a resounding no. |
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toppins
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February 2021
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by toppins on Oct 10, 2021 14:12:20 GMT 1, Not copy and pasting, that's for sure. What actions though?
There is enough scientific evidence and proof out there that states the fallacy of non-transmission.
Sorry, I am not a member of the point scoring, copy and paste brigade. Do your own research.
Not copy and pasting, that's for sure. What actions though? Drinking bleach! There is enough scientific evidence and proof out there that states the fallacy of non-transmission. Sorry, I am not a member of the point scoring, copy and paste brigade. Do your own research. |
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toppins
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February 2021
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by toppins on Oct 10, 2021 14:21:34 GMT 1, As for Banksy and inflation - well, were still in a bubble market for many things at present I feel and that will soon likely burst for many emotive driven asset classes and luxury goods. Prices and markets will be driven down when liquidity concerns arise and people want/need to sell due to the wider (more important) economic concerns.
Just look at the types of assets people have been buying whilst in lockdown and at home doing nothing. Very speculative to say the least. Biggest one being NFTS for example. A huge rug pull to unfold if there ever was one. The parallels with dot com boom and bust cycle are uncanny but many people have short memories or get blinded by their greed. Plus we now have the added driver of social media which can make or break markets in as little as a tweet.
As for Banksy and inflation - well, were still in a bubble market for many things at present I feel and that will soon likely burst for many emotive driven asset classes and luxury goods. Prices and markets will be driven down when liquidity concerns arise and people want/need to sell due to the wider (more important) economic concerns.
Just look at the types of assets people have been buying whilst in lockdown and at home doing nothing. Very speculative to say the least. Biggest one being NFTS for example. A huge rug pull to unfold if there ever was one. The parallels with dot com boom and bust cycle are uncanny but many people have short memories or get blinded by their greed. Plus we now have the added driver of social media which can make or break markets in as little as a tweet.
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by jiminicricket on Oct 10, 2021 19:48:34 GMT 1, Drinking bleach! There is enough scientific evidence and proof out there that states the fallacy of non-transmission. Sorry, I am not a member of the point scoring, copy and paste brigade. Do your own research.
Wow. So basically you got shit all to fight covid and running on dumb luck. Don't breed. Please.
Drinking bleach! There is enough scientific evidence and proof out there that states the fallacy of non-transmission. Sorry, I am not a member of the point scoring, copy and paste brigade. Do your own research. Wow. So basically you got shit all to fight covid and running on dumb luck. Don't breed. Please. |
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state
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by state on Oct 10, 2021 20:38:16 GMT 1, Drinking bleach! There is enough scientific evidence and proof out there that states the fallacy of non-transmission. Sorry, I am not a member of the point scoring, copy and paste brigade. Do your own research. Wow. So basically you got shit all to fight covid and running on dumb luck. Don't breed. Please.
Drinking bleach! There is enough scientific evidence and proof out there that states the fallacy of non-transmission. Sorry, I am not a member of the point scoring, copy and paste brigade. Do your own research. Wow. So basically you got shit all to fight covid and running on dumb luck. Don't breed. Please. "take the vaccine" "dont breed" etc etc. seriously man when will you shut the fuck up and mind your own business. How are you folks not tired of talking about the damn vaccine in an ART thread |
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teabaggins
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by teabaggins on Oct 10, 2021 20:58:04 GMT 1, Drinking bleach! There is enough scientific evidence and proof out there that states the fallacy of non-transmission. Sorry, I am not a member of the point scoring, copy and paste brigade. Do your own research.
Drinking bleach! There is enough scientific evidence and proof out there that states the fallacy of non-transmission. Sorry, I am not a member of the point scoring, copy and paste brigade. Do your own research. |
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by jiminicricket on Oct 10, 2021 21:00:35 GMT 1, Wow. So basically you got shit all to fight covid and running on dumb luck. Don't breed. Please. "take the vaccine" "dont breed" etc etc. seriously man when will you shut the fuck up and mind your own business. How are you folks not tired of talking about the damn vaccine in an ART thread
LAWLLL...TRIGGERED. Where did I bring up the vaccine in my chat with toppin you dumbshit? YOU mind your own fucking business you hypocrite.
Wow. So basically you got shit all to fight covid and running on dumb luck. Don't breed. Please. "take the vaccine" "dont breed" etc etc. seriously man when will you shut the fuck up and mind your own business. How are you folks not tired of talking about the damn vaccine in an ART thread LAWLLL...TRIGGERED. Where did I bring up the vaccine in my chat with toppin you dumbshit? YOU mind your own fucking business you hypocrite. |
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by hubble bubble on Oct 10, 2021 21:24:00 GMT 1, Lord help us. This place needs moderators more than ever before. What an abusive and unrewarding place it has become. I remember when we used to talk art and make friends.
Lord help us. This place needs moderators more than ever before. What an abusive and unrewarding place it has become. I remember when we used to talk art and make friends.
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state
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by state on Oct 10, 2021 22:11:33 GMT 1, "take the vaccine" "dont breed" etc etc. seriously man when will you shut the fuck up and mind your own business. How are you folks not tired of talking about the damn vaccine in an ART thread LAWLLL...TRIGGERED. Where did I bring up the vaccine in my chat with toppin you dumbshit? YOU mind your own fucking business you hypocrite.
"take the vaccine" "dont breed" etc etc. seriously man when will you shut the fuck up and mind your own business. How are you folks not tired of talking about the damn vaccine in an ART thread LAWLLL...TRIGGERED. Where did I bring up the vaccine in my chat with toppin you dumbshit? YOU mind your own fucking business you hypocrite. You preach “TAKE THE VACCINCE” in every other thread you dweeb. How many members took the vaccine after our boy Jiminicricket told us to? Catch a grip sport |
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by jiminicricket on Oct 10, 2021 22:17:46 GMT 1, LAWLLL...TRIGGERED. Where did I bring up the vaccine in my chat with toppin you dumbshit? YOU mind your own fucking business you hypocrite. You preach “TAKE THE VACCINCE” in every other thread you dweeb. How many members took the vaccine after our boy Jiminicricket told us to? Catch a grip sport
Thanks for reading my posts. Take the vaccine.🤘
LAWLLL...TRIGGERED. Where did I bring up the vaccine in my chat with toppin you dumbshit? YOU mind your own fucking business you hypocrite. You preach “TAKE THE VACCINCE” in every other thread you dweeb. How many members took the vaccine after our boy Jiminicricket told us to? Catch a grip sport Thanks for reading my posts. Take the vaccine.🤘 |
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state
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June 2020
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by state on Oct 10, 2021 22:22:47 GMT 1, Of course I do! You clearly know art and the market well… can’t say the same for medical
Of course I do! You clearly know art and the market well… can’t say the same for medical
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Fairxat
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May 2013
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by Fairxat on Oct 11, 2021 1:10:50 GMT 1, www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/current-covid-vaccines-could-be-ineffective-by-nex
Took so long to roll out vaccines to all groups in the uk, now a last minute pr rush to get groups vaccinated, but with so many new variants released now which may cause issues with the new pr campaign for flu jabs , of the flu and Covid causing twice as many deaths if infected, will be an interested winter ahead being assured of no lockdowns
www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/current-covid-vaccines-could-be-ineffective-by-nexTook so long to roll out vaccines to all groups in the uk, now a last minute pr rush to get groups vaccinated, but with so many new variants released now which may cause issues with the new pr campaign for flu jabs , of the flu and Covid causing twice as many deaths if infected, will be an interested winter ahead being assured of no lockdowns
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ricardob
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by ricardob on Oct 11, 2021 4:06:20 GMT 1, So, lets assume that the vaccinated and unvaccinated have the exact same chance to get COVID as per above. What is the damage a vaccinated person actually inflicting on a not vaccinated person? I would say none. And the same would apply to the contrary.
Now, lets assume that he vaccine does indeed reduce the rates of death and hospitalization. Then, why not get the vaccine?
Why would you put yourself at a disadvantage and risk your life? Why not think that the hospital bed you are going to need could go to someone else that might end up dying from something else because you refused to take a vaccine?
So, lets assume that the vaccinated and unvaccinated have the exact same chance to get COVID as per above. What is the damage a vaccinated person actually inflicting on a not vaccinated person? I would say none. And the same would apply to the contrary.
Now, lets assume that he vaccine does indeed reduce the rates of death and hospitalization. Then, why not get the vaccine?
Why would you put yourself at a disadvantage and risk your life? Why not think that the hospital bed you are going to need could go to someone else that might end up dying from something else because you refused to take a vaccine?
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bob60
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May 2014
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by bob60 on Oct 11, 2021 7:04:35 GMT 1, Will you people fighting please take your vaccine fight away from here, the rest of us are not interested.
Will you people fighting please take your vaccine fight away from here, the rest of us are not interested.
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skinback
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February 2021
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by skinback on Oct 11, 2021 9:34:35 GMT 1, There’s no argument to be had. Close this thread and get vaccinated.
There’s no argument to be had. Close this thread and get vaccinated.
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Fairxat
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by Fairxat on Oct 11, 2021 11:25:56 GMT 1, So, lets assume that the vaccinated and unvaccinated have the exact same chance to get COVID as per above. What is the damage a vaccinated person actually inflicting on a not vaccinated person? I would say none. And the same would apply to the contrary. Now, lets assume that he vaccine does indeed reduce the rates of death and hospitalization. Then, why not get the vaccine? Why would you put yourself at a disadvantage and risk your life? Why not think that the hospital bed you are going to need could go to someone else that might end up dying from something else because you refused to take a vaccine?
You have the conspiracy theorists spouting crap, but also you have guys that are concerned the vaccine has not been fully signed off and there are many reactions and deaths caused by the vaccine recorded on the gov website not reported in the media for obvious reasons and the long term future effects on the body is unknown as studies not completed .
www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html
One of the cases listed of a vaccine in 1976 a thorough review was not carried out until 2003 which concluded risks were present, these vaccines passed tests at the time, these new vaccines have not been passed off, suppose 2048 before we get an official full comprehensive report on the vaccines.
So, lets assume that the vaccinated and unvaccinated have the exact same chance to get COVID as per above. What is the damage a vaccinated person actually inflicting on a not vaccinated person? I would say none. And the same would apply to the contrary. Now, lets assume that he vaccine does indeed reduce the rates of death and hospitalization. Then, why not get the vaccine? Why would you put yourself at a disadvantage and risk your life? Why not think that the hospital bed you are going to need could go to someone else that might end up dying from something else because you refused to take a vaccine? You have the conspiracy theorists spouting crap, but also you have guys that are concerned the vaccine has not been fully signed off and there are many reactions and deaths caused by the vaccine recorded on the gov website not reported in the media for obvious reasons and the long term future effects on the body is unknown as studies not completed . www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.htmlOne of the cases listed of a vaccine in 1976 a thorough review was not carried out until 2003 which concluded risks were present, these vaccines passed tests at the time, these new vaccines have not been passed off, suppose 2048 before we get an official full comprehensive report on the vaccines. |
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ricardob
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by ricardob on Oct 11, 2021 13:12:53 GMT 1, So, lets assume that the vaccinated and unvaccinated have the exact same chance to get COVID as per above. What is the damage a vaccinated person actually inflicting on a not vaccinated person? I would say none. And the same would apply to the contrary. Now, lets assume that he vaccine does indeed reduce the rates of death and hospitalization. Then, why not get the vaccine? Why would you put yourself at a disadvantage and risk your life? Why not think that the hospital bed you are going to need could go to someone else that might end up dying from something else because you refused to take a vaccine? You have the conspiracy theorists spouting crap, but also you have guys that are concerned the vaccine has not been fully signed off and there are many reactions and deaths caused by the vaccine recorded on the gov website not reported in the media for obvious reasons and the long term future effects on the body is unknown as studies not completed . www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.htmlOne of the cases listed of a vaccine in 1976 a thorough review was not carried out until 2003 which concluded risks were present, these vaccines passed tests at the time, these new vaccines have not been passed off, suppose 2048 before we get an official full comprehensive report on the vaccines. 
So, lets assume that the vaccinated and unvaccinated have the exact same chance to get COVID as per above. What is the damage a vaccinated person actually inflicting on a not vaccinated person? I would say none. And the same would apply to the contrary. Now, lets assume that he vaccine does indeed reduce the rates of death and hospitalization. Then, why not get the vaccine? Why would you put yourself at a disadvantage and risk your life? Why not think that the hospital bed you are going to need could go to someone else that might end up dying from something else because you refused to take a vaccine? You have the conspiracy theorists spouting crap, but also you have guys that are concerned the vaccine has not been fully signed off and there are many reactions and deaths caused by the vaccine recorded on the gov website not reported in the media for obvious reasons and the long term future effects on the body is unknown as studies not completed . www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.htmlOne of the cases listed of a vaccine in 1976 a thorough review was not carried out until 2003 which concluded risks were present, these vaccines passed tests at the time, these new vaccines have not been passed off, suppose 2048 before we get an official full comprehensive report on the vaccines. I find it funny how some people are so concerned about potential risks of a vaccine, but completely ignore the risks COVID itself poses to them. Or ignore the risks of taking illegal drugs bough from some shady dark web dealer |
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Fairxat
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by Fairxat on Oct 11, 2021 13:46:26 GMT 1, You have the conspiracy theorists spouting crap, but also you have guys that are concerned the vaccine has not been fully signed off and there are many reactions and deaths caused by the vaccine recorded on the gov website not reported in the media for obvious reasons and the long term future effects on the body is unknown as studies not completed . www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.htmlOne of the cases listed of a vaccine in 1976 a thorough review was not carried out until 2003 which concluded risks were present, these vaccines passed tests at the time, these new vaccines have not been passed off, suppose 2048 before we get an official full comprehensive report on the vaccines. I find it funny how some people are so concerned about potential risks of a vaccine, but completely ignore the risks COVID itself poses to them. Or ignore the risks of taking illegal drugs bough from some shady dark web dealer
lol, different argument and not even comparable ,some people are removed from society, at this stage still personal choice is available. Vaccine are above the threshold of acceptable risks based on the limited test results which is still ongoing. If all was passed off and not haphazardly rushed through there would not be this hesitation.think government needs more openness and education rather than scare tactics through the media releases to sway the nay sayers
There should be more concerns and emphasis with offering free immunizations to migrant camps globally, these groups are crossing numerous borders, potentially exposed to various variants and bringing into countries that usually have steps to screen out these variants at borders from travelers.currently 1000 illegal migrants crossing dover each day that are known about, many more crossing and once in these groups will not seek medical vaccinations hence would be wise to offer vaccinations at all illegal camps instead of just ignoring the problem and stopping endless waves of reinfections as known some vaccines may not work effectively against new variants
You have the conspiracy theorists spouting crap, but also you have guys that are concerned the vaccine has not been fully signed off and there are many reactions and deaths caused by the vaccine recorded on the gov website not reported in the media for obvious reasons and the long term future effects on the body is unknown as studies not completed . www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.htmlOne of the cases listed of a vaccine in 1976 a thorough review was not carried out until 2003 which concluded risks were present, these vaccines passed tests at the time, these new vaccines have not been passed off, suppose 2048 before we get an official full comprehensive report on the vaccines. I find it funny how some people are so concerned about potential risks of a vaccine, but completely ignore the risks COVID itself poses to them. Or ignore the risks of taking illegal drugs bough from some shady dark web dealer lol, different argument and not even comparable ,some people are removed from society, at this stage still personal choice is available. Vaccine are above the threshold of acceptable risks based on the limited test results which is still ongoing. If all was passed off and not haphazardly rushed through there would not be this hesitation.think government needs more openness and education rather than scare tactics through the media releases to sway the nay sayers There should be more concerns and emphasis with offering free immunizations to migrant camps globally, these groups are crossing numerous borders, potentially exposed to various variants and bringing into countries that usually have steps to screen out these variants at borders from travelers.currently 1000 illegal migrants crossing dover each day that are known about, many more crossing and once in these groups will not seek medical vaccinations hence would be wise to offer vaccinations at all illegal camps instead of just ignoring the problem and stopping endless waves of reinfections as known some vaccines may not work effectively against new variants |
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ricardob
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by ricardob on Oct 11, 2021 13:53:07 GMT 1, I find it funny how some people are so concerned about potential risks of a vaccine, but completely ignore the risks COVID itself poses to them. Or ignore the risks of taking illegal drugs bough from some shady dark web dealer lol, different argument and not even comparable ,some people are removed from society, at this stage still personal choice is available. Vaccine are above the threshold of acceptable risks based on the limited test results which is still ongoing. If all was passed off and not haphazardly rushed through there would not be this hesitation.think government needs more openness and education rather than scare tactics through the media releases to sway the nay sayers There should be more concerns and emphasis with offering free immunizations to migrant camps globally, these groups are crossing numerous borders, potentially exposed to various variants and bringing into countries that usually have steps to screen out these variants at borders from travelers.currently 1000 illegal migrants crossing dover each day that are known about, many more crossing and once in these groups will not seek medical vaccinations hence would be wise to offer vaccinations at all illegal camps instead of just ignoring the problem and stopping endless waves of reinfections as known some vaccines may not work effectively against new variants
I find it funny how some people are so concerned about potential risks of a vaccine, but completely ignore the risks COVID itself poses to them. Or ignore the risks of taking illegal drugs bough from some shady dark web dealer lol, different argument and not even comparable ,some people are removed from society, at this stage still personal choice is available. Vaccine are above the threshold of acceptable risks based on the limited test results which is still ongoing. If all was passed off and not haphazardly rushed through there would not be this hesitation.think government needs more openness and education rather than scare tactics through the media releases to sway the nay sayers There should be more concerns and emphasis with offering free immunizations to migrant camps globally, these groups are crossing numerous borders, potentially exposed to various variants and bringing into countries that usually have steps to screen out these variants at borders from travelers.currently 1000 illegal migrants crossing dover each day that are known about, many more crossing and once in these groups will not seek medical vaccinations hence would be wise to offer vaccinations at all illegal camps instead of just ignoring the problem and stopping endless waves of reinfections as known some vaccines may not work effectively against new variants What do you mean by not comparable? Are you saying that there is more risks involved in taking a vaccine developed by a legit company and designed by trained professionals than buying some synthetic drug cooked in someone's basement? |
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Fairxat
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by Fairxat on Oct 11, 2021 13:57:25 GMT 1, lol, different argument and not even comparable ,some people are removed from society, at this stage still personal choice is available. Vaccine are above the threshold of acceptable risks based on the limited test results which is still ongoing. If all was passed off and not haphazardly rushed through there would not be this hesitation.think government needs more openness and education rather than scare tactics through the media releases to sway the nay sayers There should be more concerns and emphasis with offering free immunizations to migrant camps globally, these groups are crossing numerous borders, potentially exposed to various variants and bringing into countries that usually have steps to screen out these variants at borders from travelers.currently 1000 illegal migrants crossing dover each day that are known about, many more crossing and once in these groups will not seek medical vaccinations hence would be wise to offer vaccinations at all illegal camps instead of just ignoring the problem and stopping endless waves of reinfections as known some vaccines may not work effectively against new variants What do you mean by not comparable? Are you saying that there is more risks involved in taking a vaccine developed by a legit company and designed by trained professionals than buying some synthetic drug cooked in someone's basement?
Who’s stupidly taking illegal drugs here in this discussion? More fool them! It’s illegal and all kinds of crap in these illegal drugs
lol, different argument and not even comparable ,some people are removed from society, at this stage still personal choice is available. Vaccine are above the threshold of acceptable risks based on the limited test results which is still ongoing. If all was passed off and not haphazardly rushed through there would not be this hesitation.think government needs more openness and education rather than scare tactics through the media releases to sway the nay sayers There should be more concerns and emphasis with offering free immunizations to migrant camps globally, these groups are crossing numerous borders, potentially exposed to various variants and bringing into countries that usually have steps to screen out these variants at borders from travelers.currently 1000 illegal migrants crossing dover each day that are known about, many more crossing and once in these groups will not seek medical vaccinations hence would be wise to offer vaccinations at all illegal camps instead of just ignoring the problem and stopping endless waves of reinfections as known some vaccines may not work effectively against new variants What do you mean by not comparable? Are you saying that there is more risks involved in taking a vaccine developed by a legit company and designed by trained professionals than buying some synthetic drug cooked in someone's basement? Who’s stupidly taking illegal drugs here in this discussion? More fool them! It’s illegal and all kinds of crap in these illegal drugs |
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Fairxat
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by Fairxat on Oct 11, 2021 14:01:50 GMT 1, lol, different argument and not even comparable ,some people are removed from society, at this stage still personal choice is available. Vaccine are above the threshold of acceptable risks based on the limited test results which is still ongoing. If all was passed off and not haphazardly rushed through there would not be this hesitation.think government needs more openness and education rather than scare tactics through the media releases to sway the nay sayers There should be more concerns and emphasis with offering free immunizations to migrant camps globally, these groups are crossing numerous borders, potentially exposed to various variants and bringing into countries that usually have steps to screen out these variants at borders from travelers.currently 1000 illegal migrants crossing dover each day that are known about, many more crossing and once in these groups will not seek medical vaccinations hence would be wise to offer vaccinations at all illegal camps instead of just ignoring the problem and stopping endless waves of reinfections as known some vaccines may not work effectively against new variants It's in pretty poor taste to push for the vaccine to be given to migrants when you have previously stated that it is not something you are (currently) willing to take yourself.
you can’t force them dumbass but makes sense to offer to these groups rather than ignore them, give them a choice
Same as all the leading nations bought up all the vaccines for their own countries with greed with little thought to the poor then realized variants from the poorer nations that could not afford vaccines would effect their bubbles with variants and now rushing to give them vaccines as it benefits them
But it makes sense with your view, disregard all the border controls where you have to isolate or show vaccinations when travelling and let 1000s in everyday unchecked potentially carrying variants that are known to carry deadlier strains.
Unvaccinated People in their home countries are potentially only circulating strains that are unique to that country that the vaccine can target rather than variants
lol, different argument and not even comparable ,some people are removed from society, at this stage still personal choice is available. Vaccine are above the threshold of acceptable risks based on the limited test results which is still ongoing. If all was passed off and not haphazardly rushed through there would not be this hesitation.think government needs more openness and education rather than scare tactics through the media releases to sway the nay sayers There should be more concerns and emphasis with offering free immunizations to migrant camps globally, these groups are crossing numerous borders, potentially exposed to various variants and bringing into countries that usually have steps to screen out these variants at borders from travelers.currently 1000 illegal migrants crossing dover each day that are known about, many more crossing and once in these groups will not seek medical vaccinations hence would be wise to offer vaccinations at all illegal camps instead of just ignoring the problem and stopping endless waves of reinfections as known some vaccines may not work effectively against new variants It's in pretty poor taste to push for the vaccine to be given to migrants when you have previously stated that it is not something you are (currently) willing to take yourself. you can’t force them dumbass but makes sense to offer to these groups rather than ignore them, give them a choice Same as all the leading nations bought up all the vaccines for their own countries with greed with little thought to the poor then realized variants from the poorer nations that could not afford vaccines would effect their bubbles with variants and now rushing to give them vaccines as it benefits them But it makes sense with your view, disregard all the border controls where you have to isolate or show vaccinations when travelling and let 1000s in everyday unchecked potentially carrying variants that are known to carry deadlier strains. Unvaccinated People in their home countries are potentially only circulating strains that are unique to that country that the vaccine can target rather than variants |
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Inflation will soon hit in for a Banksy market, by sandinista on Oct 11, 2021 17:57:16 GMT 1, They need to make the vaccine raise your core temperature so you then don't need gas central heating this winter.
They need to make the vaccine raise your core temperature so you then don't need gas central heating this winter.
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